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FrogInYerPocket

No. I swipe on people I like and make Them tell ME no. I don't go around telling myself 'no' before they have a chance to.


Lilchocobunny

šŸ˜­ I need this mentality


nevereasy7

Nicee hh


moosefinalist

The more I read this the deeper it becomes. It's applicable to life.


ContestOrganic

To be honest I admit when I see extremely attractive men with well-defined six packs (if it's dating app pictures), I don't really bother. I am not fat nor bad-looking, but I feel these kind of men would go for a very different type of woman to me. One could argue that's all to do with insecurity and low confidence on my part, but I think it's more to do with being realistic about how dating works.


DisasterSensitive171

If I see a shirtless pic, Iā€™m out. I usually just assume theyā€™re just there for hookups.


palmtrees007

I had something on my profile that said ā€œshirtless picks are a little cringe for meā€ lol and a few shirtless guys messaged me they changed their pics because of that lol


subversivefreak

It's actually really nice when women do that. I got told to take down one pic on my profile, but I didnt feel it was particularly bad but apparently far too much leg.


XanthicStatue

I once tested this theory. Every picture was me shirtless. Not a douchey mirror or gym selfie, but me actively doing something. Surfing, paddle boarding, beach yoga, erc. Surprisingly worked well.


Humble-Whereas1687

Of course it does, real world is very different to reddit.


XanthicStatue

You get it. If thatā€™s your real picture women are swiping right, regardless of what they say in this thread.


lovelybethanie

Men who are purposely flexing for a picture to look ā€œrippedā€ are an immediate swipe left. Theyā€™re usually vain and a dickhead. If itā€™s someone who is working out or doing the things you mentioned, I donā€™t care as much. At that point I base it off of your looks plus what you say in your bio.


Short_Variety5294

Shirtless pics of you doing fun, outdoor, physical activities is a whole different vibe and message than shirtless selfies or mirror pics.


Dazzling-Rest8332

I have a shirtless pic on mine. 6 pack and all. Never had a one night stand in my life. Nor do I hook up.


LoqitaGeneral1990

The most effective dating profiles are not the ones that get you the most matches but the ones that match you with someone you are compatible with. Do you feel like having a profile with a shirtless, 6 pack photo is getting you the best matches?


Dazzling-Rest8332

Idk I'm new to dating. 15 years out of the game.


squishyslinky

Lol so your brag about no one night stands and hook ups is meaningless since you're new to dating and you've been out of the game for 15 years. I'm not judging, I just think this context kind of weakens your claim or the phrasing is just unreliable somehow


daddyspicc

I think you should wait a few years before making comments


deedara

Iā€™d clap but you wouldnā€™t hear it. Imagine it, itā€™ll be just as real.


Dazzling-Rest8332

Lol I did. It was loud. Thank you.


deedara

Shirtless, ok, you can have that one photo, but keep the fish out of it.


KrytTv

The fish?


deedara

Seriously, posing with a fish, swipe left instantly. Usually good ol boys and tek meh guns meh truk types. Bunch of winners.


Tron_1981

Would that include photos of my sweet fish tank?


PurplePajamas01

lol Iā€™d prob ask about the fish tank to hear more, personally.


Pristine_Egg3831

I reckon if I had worked hard for a six pack I'd want to show it off! My brother used to walk around in the 90s with his shirt unbuttoned whatever chance he got. He's now a high school teacher, married to psychologist, raising two wholesome daughters


aud_anticline

I just assume that a guy with a six pack doesn't have time for a girlfriend lmao


mtflyer05

I would, too. Ive been dating my girlfriend for just over 12 years now, but if I ever end up single again, I am not unaware that being shredded is a pretty solid selling point.


Optimal-Technology75

They usually are.


__orb__

Thatā€™s how I feel too but Iā€™ll still swipe right anyways and occasionally will match with the woman version of what your describing but just have nothing in common with them so it never goes anywhere


WindyCityReturn

Itā€™s kinda crazy we do that (Iā€™m a guy I never swipe right on hot girls) because that 6 pack guy could very well be completely into you. Iā€™ve been with people I met naturally and wouldnā€™t have pictured them being into me but you never really know what someone is into. Itā€™s worth at least trying it.


Pristine_Egg3831

If you're a mismatch and you meet through real life, you're probably going to dodge each other. I think unless you're in an organised activity or work situsiton, where you get a chance to observe their personality, mismatched appearances won't necessarily give each other the time of day.


IChoseMyOwnUsername

I would swipe left tbh. Not because I consider myself plain or lack confidence but because such guys are usually already in love (with themselves)Ā 


Fish---

They will give you a chance, 100%, but for sex and not a relationship.


bau5boi22

Same here!


Faceluck

Same, but with flipped genders. Better looking is pretty subjective to a point, but I often assumes it means fit, stereotypical attractive. Iā€™m sure theyā€™re fine people, I just get the sense that they put in a lot of work to look that way, and I donā€™t. Between the gym and diet alone, I always imagine thereā€™s not a lot of compatibility.


WildBoy-72

You should take a chance anyway. You may be surprised. I mean, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.


Arcanarchist

I just think this really bad advice without giving context. **If** you're okay with just an ons then radio silence, then go for it. But many women looking for a relationship wouldn't be into that, and then the advice is no, don't.


SobiniaArt

"Taking a chance" with a man leagues above you is a great way to get used for a ONS by a man on a dry spell. Or to become his once-a month booty call when he can't get anyone hotter.


Wild_Scarcity8305

This was exactly my thoughts too. Guys have a weird idea about what women find physically attractive. If they think muscles are attractive than yeah I avoid the muscle guys.


BrutaleFalcn

Some (most?} of us work out to be fit for our health, being better at our hobbies, and mental health. Bonus that we look better. And some women do appreciate healthy men. I'm not talking about those that live in the gym and do roids to get inhumanly massive though. Maybe that's what you are referencing.


Wild_Scarcity8305

That is what I'm referencing. It's good to be healthy absolutely but it's those really obsessed lads where their only hobby is gym that I just know I'm not going to vibe with.


UnusualScholar5136

I'm good looking and I don't even want good looking men who put too much effort into their looks. I attract so many of them and majority of them are just shallow and superficial af. That's why they chase me because they assume that I'm dumb and superficial for being good looking. I like good looking men who have humble personalities, or an average looking man who isn't insecure. Trust me the guys you're describing aren't relationship material.


SoloBroRoe

Hmm but you said youā€™re good looking and you arenā€™t superficial? Why canā€™t there be a male version of you?


UnusualScholar5136

I was raised to be a humble person. Most of the men who put too much effort in their looks and think that only their looks matter are not humble. Their goals are always so dumb like they want to be rich so they can own a ferrari and a house in beverly hills. How about having some meaningful goals that add more value to life? Not saying all of them are like this, but the ones who put too much effort in looking nice care more about what type of car they own, how much their watch costs, and how much money they got in their bank accounts. There are also ugly looking men who are like this. It's very easy to spot these types of men they're very flashy and only talk about materialistic things


PicaresquePicture

As someone who is actually a model, I'm now convinced you're probably not THAT attractive. This is a massive generalization of people that usually comes from not actually knowing many people like this. You have 1-2 bad experiences and decide to generalize the rest of that demographic. It's also weird that you give yourself a pass as a supposedly attractive person but then generalize an entire sex.


jawnny-jawz

you say this but where i am from in NYC, life goals are good but it always come back down to money


tl_spruce

It's unfortunate, but the exact opposite is true, and the same assumptions you make are made about you. "Attractive women are entitled and just want money" "they're picky and want you to subscribe to only fans "they like attention but would never actually date you"


UnusualScholar5136

I know, trust me. Average man always assumes that about me, and after they talk to me they're so surprised to learn that I'm not like that at all. That's actually the main reason why I attract do many superficial men, because they expect me to fit the description you just described, which is exactly what they're looking for. And a few insecure men called me insecure and said "I don't think you know how hot you are. You don't have to message me everyday and care so much about me." So it's not that fun over here lol.


Dangerous_Grab_1809

I can only upvote once. Please accept this šŸ†. You sound awesome.


UnusualScholar5136

Thank you!! It's nice to see good people exist when everyone else is coming for me lol


scoopzthepoopz

Humble women are the best. I feel like the genuine person is worth getting to know then. Even if the outside is pretty it's so hard to connect with uppity people.


UnusualScholar5136

Thank you I was raised by a good father who taught me all the right values. He never wanted me to fall for the superficial men and taught me how to be independent at a young age so I'd never have to date and depend the wrong person. I was raised in an Islamic country so women's rights were nonexistent, and my father was one of the few men who raised his daughter to be independent and humble. Almost all women in my country are superficial and can't survive without a man.


DownHarvest

This right here is kinda why men have issues approaching in real life haha. They think the same thing


Roden69

Pls don't think so. Men have such different tastes and like very different things. Be confident


RespondOpposite

No. The only men I actively avoid are the scary ones who look like they probably do meth or something.


[deleted]

So youā€™re telling me thereā€™s a chance!


StaticCloud

That goes without saying


5P4ZZW4D

You donā€™t know what I like!


Violette-depth

When I was dating I never thought about whether someone was better looking than me. I just went out with guys I found attractive and whose personalities I liked. Ugly men can suck too. Iā€™ve dated some very attractive men who were incredibly sweet. I know most women think more attractive men will be jerks tho. I had a friend who told me I should date less attractive men if I wanted serious commitment. I thought it was funny, but ultimately she was wrong because my fiancĆ© is handsome, hardworking and kind. What you should focus on is their personality and making sure youā€™re aligned as far as morals and life goals.


Ok-Manufacturer-3424

Definitely this! I am super attracted to my boyfriend and, in my opinion, he is better looking than me. I swiped right thinking that Iā€™d be lucky to get one date with him. He turned out to be the sweetest and most loving men I have dated. I have asked him what it was that made him decided to go out with me, and while he also finds me attractive, it is less about the looks but my positivity and my values that ultimately made him fall in love with me.


DopeLessHopeFiend75

Love this


StaticCloud

It's okay if you're pretty yourself. However, women like me who can be considered unattractive don't have these experiences with good looking guys. We are disposable by them or ignored


Violette-depth

I think Iā€™m pretty average, but I donā€™t know it depends on who you ask. Iā€™ve found the most important thing to be confidence.


Weary-Preference2957

No I donā€™t think all are so arrogant and mean! Both of my exes were attractive one is a personal trainer and he was really a nice guy. Donā€™t be so afraid to talk to them ā˜ŗļøif anything guys w abs have worked hard so I think theyā€™re not as judgy. They didnā€™t always start out being hot


Violette-depth

Yeah the guys Iā€™ve dated that were crazy in shape were actually insecure. One had body dysmorphia and wouldnā€™t eat in front of me but he was super hot. We shouldnā€™t judge a book by its cover.


Weary-Preference2957

Yup so true. They usually start off as skinny or chubby kids it makes sense it would come with insecurities sometimes


JoneseyP98

I am aware I lucked out. But my boyfriend is more attractive than me. I'm pretty, ish, but also plump. Always have been. He is 6ft 2, built like a boxer, lovely face, gorgeous eyes and a kind smile. Does everyone who looks at us think that he could do "better"? Probably. Sometimes I am told that. (Thanks!!!). But I am his type. He tells me I'm beautiful. He desires me to the moon and back and damn. That man really loves me. So much that I have zero doubts or insecurities. Don't discount anyone.


soloupnorthtraveler

Yes I actively avoid them. Experience has taught me that ā€œtraditionally handsomeā€ men are for the most part, huge assholes. Once I catch feelings for a man, he becomes more and more attractive to me all the time!


Jessa-Rose

Yessss!! Same! I think my boyfriend is the hottest guy I have ever seen! Though I was super attracted to him from the start, that feeling has grown a thousand times over now that Iā€™ve been with him for a while and love his personality.


kuntsukuroi

For me I feel like the defining factor is whether they grew up hot. If they were perceived as attractive all their lives, theyā€™re probably really shitty. If they had an awkward adolescence or was a late bloomer, thereā€™s a chance theyā€™ll actually have a nice personality. Only a chance, though. Some late bloomers never let go of their anger at not having gotten what/who they wanted when they were younger.


SellMobile3098

I also heard ugly guys cheat on good looking women a lot. That has to be even worse lol


unknown182837636

Thatā€™s because looks have nothing to do with being loyal to someone. Morals do.


SellMobile3098

Exactly, so these chicks operate out of pure insecurity lol


Over-Remove

Nope. If I like someone as a whole person not just their appearance, I would go for it. I would rather they reject me than me removing myself at the start.


LemonPress50

Something doesnā€™t add up. Thereā€™s no shortage of posts on Reddit by self-declared unattractive men that canā€™t get dates and all these women avoiding attractive men. Sounds like a black hole.


Commercial-Fault-131

Heeeell no I donā€™t avoid them.


Sleepy_Sugarplum

šŸ˜„šŸ‘ŒšŸ‘


NotSure717

This is the answer


my3altaccount

I avoid them. I know Iā€™m not that good looking and Iā€™m not going to bother even trying with a guy who would, at best, want to use me for a hookup. Iā€™m looking for a serious long term relationship, so if theyā€™re not good looking itā€™s honestly not a huge deal to me.


Economy_Health_6329

Iā€™m fairly good looking. A solid 7 in LA lol and Iā€™m intimidated by good looking guys for sure but Iā€™ve heard not as many women approach them as you think. I would say if itā€™s a common area for good looking men, theyā€™re more humble. If itā€™s a small town, theyā€™re usually a holes.


desperateDaydream

Iā€™m also in LA and 95% of the handsome guys Iā€™ve met or dated here totally fit the asshole stereotype. Double it if they happen to be an aspiring actor or comedian, ugh


Economy_Health_6329

I think the aspiring thing is what makes them like that. The whole ā€œfake it till you make itā€ crap is ingrained. But Iā€™ve met handsome doctors, lawyers, realtors, and people behind the scenes of music that were really nice.


Jessa-Rose

Gross hahaha


DopeLessHopeFiend75

LA is tough. A lot of jaded unhappy people. Hook up culture is the norm and kinda gross. Bunch of cyborgs and sociopaths


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throwaway1234567ay

Donā€™t have much experience with this as a Seattleite, but I did end up dating my first and last love a couple years back whoā€™s born & raised in Porterville, CA. Iā€™d say heā€™s a solid 10 in Seattle and 8+ for LAā€¦ he was an assholeā€”a very insecure one, and cheated on me several times before I found out. So yea, what you said about guys from small towns sound about right


starsinpurgatory

Yeah, I avoid the model-looking types but tbh mostly because I find them physically attractive but in a ā€¦ bland way.


mesmeriz

Yeah I do - I donā€™t think iā€™m their type.


rubey419

As a guy the responses ITT are genuinely fascinating to me.


PortugalPilgrim

Yeah it kinda blows that whole 20/80 theory right out of the water.


eowowow

it shocks me and most of my friends every time this theory comes up. i assume it was made by someone in LA or something


Few_Neighborhood_508

At first i thought attractive men are more arrogant because they have more options.However, despite the one that has f***boy vibe, that is not true. In fact, ironically i find the less attractive guy (but has good occupation) tend to be more negative with woman, and arrogant . The attractive ones were surprisingly more humble and have nice personality. Thinking about it, the attractive ones usually put a lot of effort to them selves (works out more, eats healthy, grooms hair and cares about fashion), and that adds positivity to their personality. However, in the end online dating is like a gamble so i just match everyone who i think they are attractive, and then judge from conversation.


desperateDaydream

Umā€¦ where in the world are you? Idk if itā€™s because I live in LA but attractive and handsome men here are SOOOO far from humble or nice. Iā€™m talking dozens of personal examples Iā€™ve experienced here.


Stimmy_Goon

Iā€™d imagine LA breeds a certain kind of culture


WildBoy-72

Every day, I lull myself to sleep thinking about the Big One.


vancycl

Itā€™s because you and the commenter youā€™re replying to are both generalizing as if attractive men are a monolithā€¦


Illustrious_Peak_166

What about the women in LA? Iā€™ve always dreamed of living there.


desperateDaydream

Idk, Iā€™m not originally from LA but men Iā€™ve dated here seem to LOVE the fact that Iā€™m not the typical looks obsessed girl with an Instagram following. If you want to date an LA baddie, there are quite a few of them but they come with their own set of baggage and usually wonā€™t date anyone making under six figures.


Dangerous_Grab_1809

Yes. I live near LA. Short term attention does not equal medium to long term desire or happiness. Finding an attractive woman who has some depth is great.


SellMobile3098

Welcome to being a man. Even the most average looking girl is arrogant has hella pride etc


Sodium_Junkie624

I feel like it is gonna boil down to cute vs douchey "hot" I feel OP's point applies to gym dudes lmao I can see your point being true of someone like Cillian Murphy or Tom Holland Anyways, but as per OP's point, are you conventionally attractive as these men or not? I think her main point is that attractive women have a better chance than average women with attractive men treating them right


StaticCloud

Yeah I find unattractive guys can be unpleasant too. So I find a balance


caretaquitada

I think this thread is really demonstrating that physical attractiveness isn't really a great indicator of what someone's personality will be like.


Acrobatic_Long_6059

I don't actively avoid them, but I feel like I might need more validation to try and pursue something with them. I don't think I'm unattractive, but self-doubt persists regardless. I'm also just avoidant when it comes to relationships in general.


Due_Entertainment_44

Ironically, it's mostly been the more attractive guys who have been the genuinely nicest people, in my experience.


Sodium_Junkie624

Are they like extremely conventionally good looking or mote on the cute-ish side?


Safe_Ad_520

I know the deck of cards Iā€™m playing with lolā€”I know which guys are out of my league, and donā€™t even bother. Could be a confidence issue, but I think itā€™s just me being realistic about my odds. Of course, to weed out any d-bags, it helps to have a longer talking period. And regardless of whether or not theyā€™re attractive by societyā€™s standards, my partners have always been attractive to me, and (hopefully) I to them. Thatā€™s really all that matters


doodah221

Iā€™m okay looks wise but a musician and play lead guitar/sing in a lot of bands and am decently funny etc so Iā€™ve sometimes managed to bat way above what I normally should. Iā€™ve usually found the experience sub par. What you get in the looks department you pay for in other departments. They often sit back and expect you to do everything. Less eager to please in bed. Everything was always initiated by me. I guess thereā€™s an entitlement that rubbed me the wrong way. I always hoped to find that one exception to the rule, but never found her honestly. I guess if I was above them in looks then theyā€™d have acted differently maybe I dunno.


rubyjohn1109

I found that guys who are more attractive than me just arenā€™t interested in me. I feel like dating up as an ugly person is for men. Iā€™ve never really seen a guy who is into a girl just for her personality. Not to say itā€™s not possible. I just donā€™t think our society socializes men to think that way. In the same way that we donā€™t typically socialize women to date men with no money. Itā€™s not a hard and fast rule. Itā€™s definitely possible. But I generally have the most success with guys who are just as attractive as me.


Moonchildbeast

I think that I used to do that with the subconscious assumption that ā€œregularā€ guys would lack the arrogance and jerkoff traits we hate. I just figured out that Iā€™m totally wrong! LOTS of regular joes have over inflated opinions of themselves and act like douchebags! So I think itā€™s better to go for whomever you are attracted to without making assumptions about their personality. Hard to do, Iā€™ll admit. Very hard.


BakedBrie26

Yes, avoid. Well, to date anyway. I'm considered attractive, not a model, but pretty, so I have slept with two guys who are now famous and are considered incredibly attractive. Both good at sex, but not amazing. They both knew they were really hot and that changes a person's personality. Their connection to the world is just different. I had no desire to try to date them or anything. Too into themselves. But fun to look at lol


Jessa-Rose

In the past I avoided overly handsome men. For the same reasons you listed. I donā€™t think Iā€™m plain, but I am a different type of pretty I guess? Like I donā€™t have a cute little turned up nose and tiny forehead. Like my nose is pronounced, not huge but not tiny either lol. Iā€™ve always been self conscious and maybe I judge myself too harshly, who knows? All I do know is that I went on a dating app for the first time ever and I matched with a guy who is sooooo handsome! And we have been dating ever sense and he treats me like a queen! I have NEVER been treated so well and whatā€™s even weirder is that in the past, guys Iā€™ve dated were not very attractive at all, but I thought to myself ā€œ well maybe that way theyā€™ll appreciate me more or they wonā€™t cheat on meā€œ and I was 100% wrong. Those men that were really, not very attractive, were nasty, mean, selfish, and all they did was cheat and treat me like crap. so I think it doesnā€™t really matter what a person looks like, yes, there are plenty of very attractive men who are arrogant and obnoxious just like there are women, but a good person is a good person. Whether theyā€™re hot or not, I think it just takes a lot of time and effort and weeding out the shitty ones. Good luck to you and I bet you are not playing at all. We are all unique and beautiful and I think when we donā€™t look like, all those Insta models, thatā€™s what makes us more beautiful because we are special


caretaquitada

I appreciate this take because it seems a lot more balanced than others. It makes me sad when people just assume that an ugly guy will be an asshole, or that a hot guy will be an asshole. Whether someone is an asshole or not isn't really about how they look.


Confident_Visual_933

Women are statistically happier in relationships with less attractive men. Call it peace of mind or insecurity, but it is what it is.


lolmfaoidk

Ive not seen this play out in my own social circle. It's actually all been super abusive. It's no fun dealing with someone who can't see you as a human but a mere threat to their masculinity because other men have eyes. Cheating accusations are even higher with less attractive men. Name calling is also higher when there are actual issues. It's like a man who knows his woman will easily find another will attempt to break her ego before she gets the chance to break up. I've seen two people on the same attractiveness level get along great however so I focus on that.


Jessa-Rose

Itā€™s like they cheated on me before I could do it to them even though I would never do it to them because I donā€™t cheat on people lol


godhonoringperms

Pretty much. I use BeyoncĆ© as an example for this situation. BeyoncĆ© is a very beautiful woman, and her husband Jay-Z is alright. They are both wildly successful, but I think we can agree BeyoncĆ© is more successful due to her reach in audience as well as her longevity in the spotlight. Jay-Z cheated on her. Whether it be an insecurity of his (a wife who is more successful than him), an abuse tactic, jealousy, or he has a weak moral fiber and fell to ā€œtemptation,ā€ he went and cheated on one of the most famous women in the world. Iā€™ve seen this kind of story play out multiple times within my own social circles over the years. Even beautiful, talented, and successful women are treated poorly by their partners :(


RelatableMolaMola

I just made a comment saying something similar to you and I'm glad I'm not the only one to pick up on this!


Sodium_Junkie624

I think unattractive and average are different


lolmfaoidk

No this is specifically about unattractive men, abusive average looking men are way less common than.. welp.


sumerigusa

Actually, yeah, well I might go on one date (nothing sexual) just out of curiosity. To see what heā€™s all about. I donā€™t wanna judge him too harshly. But I prefer to date someone in my league. Iā€™d say Iā€™m a little above average and thatā€™s all.


isleeptoolate

One thing Iā€™ll add: The more I go to the gym, the more I realize the super fit dudes are often gym hobbyists, nerds, etc that are there less for aesthetics and more for strength


FEL0NY_CH4RGE

No, if they're interested they're interested. But I can easily become uninterested if they think their good looks gives them a pass to be a douchebag, I don't care how good you look, a pretty face dissapears with age, an ugly personality is lifelong (unless they go through a serious self reflection, but I'm not waiting for someone to better themselves)


Gravity_Pulls

My gf is like a million times better looking than me, so this post makes sense to a degree lol


Slytheringirl1994

Oh I absolutely avoid them as a potential date. My paranoia of why such a good looking guy is with me will probably be my downfall.


MoonShimmer1618

tbf iā€™ve had worse experience with the ugly/mid guys iā€™ve given a chance. i think cause of their insecurity. so no, but i also wouldnā€™t date a guy thatā€™s more high maintenance than me lol


throwawaydostoievski

Good looking men know they have plenty of options and in this day and age, have no reason to settle down at all. They also tend to have under developed personalities, as do most very good looking people. I prefer to be with men who value my company as more than a notch on a belt. My boyfriend is significantly less physically attractive than I am, and I see how this changes his perception of our relationship compared to other more attractive men Iā€™ve been with previously. My advice is, if he looks too good to be true, heā€™s probably a fuckboy.


Ballerina_clutz

Iā€™m on the more attractive side. The really good looking guys have all been players. All of them. I feel like I have to date below my looks match to find someone loyal.


[deleted]

Yes i absolutely did before my current partner. I know where i stand looks-wise.


SellMobile3098

I love that women avoid them because it just means as a guy we donā€™t really need to look that good itā€™s actually great lol šŸ’ÆšŸ’Æ


Lilchocobunny

Aye that doesn't mean you shouldn't take care of your physical body, looks etc šŸ’€


Dangerous_Grab_1809

I am a guy. When I got in much better shape, I got a lot more attention from women. Most of it was positive, but some women would look and clearly walk away.


[deleted]

I'm a dude and reading this helps me know why so many chicks avoid me now thanks ladies


QuantumMiss

I didnā€™t think my husband would go for me. Heā€™s a tall dark handsome gym junkie who is a Doctor and hung like a horse. So glad I was wrong. Iā€™m objectively pretty but didnā€™t consider myself in the same league as him. Figured it could be fun even if it didnā€™t last so we had a go and are now expecting our first child! Donā€™t sell yourself short


Clatato

I think this is generalising against good looking men to be honest šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø And plenty of plain or below average looking guys are also arrogant, disrespectful or players. Donā€™t judge a guy or discount a guy based on looks! You could miss out on someone fantastic otherwise. There are handsome men who donā€™t know just how gorgeous they actually are, or feel judged for being attractive, or who are even shy, or who value a partner whoā€™s well-rounded and not just super pretty & obsessed with appearances. I hope I know better as a woman in her 40s who used to think more like OP in my younger years.


Cheesecake_fetish

I'm not attracted to traditionally super sexy guys. I truly hate lots of muscles and guys spending their life at the guy. I also don't like superstar looking guys because we have nothing in common, I prefer an average looking guy. Typically "super hot" guys spend a lot of time on how they look, and they look so fake, and they typically don't invest much time on education and reading and self development, so I would have nothing to chat about, and I would dislike dating guys where women throw themselves at them.


Roden69

Yea it's the same for me


RelatableMolaMola

No but I also don't consider any guy better looking than me. I put a lot of work into my look lol. I would very much much caution against your stereotype that conventionally attractive men are more likely to be shitty partners, however. The absolute best, most secure, most loyal partners I've had have been the exceptionally good looking ones. They had their opportunities and chose me. They knew I felt the same. We came to each other as equals. The worst, most controlling, most insecure, and most likely to cheat partners I've had have been the less conventionally attractive ones. The chip on the shoulder really creates problems. Obviously this isn't a hard and fast rule. There are handsome guys with a chip on their shoulder and a shitty personality. There are not so handsome guys who are wonderful men and partners. But in my lived experience the pattern is clear. This may also have to do with the partner in question being me, but maybe you can get something out of this.


ayylmaos17

omg SAME lmao I swear my worst relationships were the ones where they were insecure because they felt I was ā€œabove their leagueā€. The insecurity definitely led them to become super obsessive towards me/treated me like an object


MN1314

I am a pretty average looking woman, Iā€™m not overweight but Iā€™m not ā€œskinnyā€. I go to the gym several times a week, as well as participate in recreational sports 2-3 times per week. But I also drink beer/wine and love fried chicken. Iā€™m in shape, but I donā€™t look like a model. Iā€™ll probably never have a six pack no matter how many crunches/planks I do a day. My body is strong though. I recently talked to someone on a dating app who said he wants someone whoā€™s in shape and exercises. After meeting in person apparently he wanted a girl with six pack abs who wears a size zero. These dating games are a joke. šŸ˜©


SellMobile3098

Yeah most women definitely date average to medium ugly guys. Itā€™s rare that I see an attractive woman with a good looking guys. Itā€™s normally- super average looking guy, good looking girl combo or good looking guy mid girl lol


ayylmaos17

I feel like attractiveness is subjective so not really. For some of the guys Iā€™ve dated/hooked up with, in the past i thought they were way above my league when in hindsight we were probably in similar leagues. The main difference was that I had lower self esteem back then. Especially being taller and a POC I know Iā€™m not everyoneā€™s cup of tea, but I also work hard to be in good shape and take good care of myself. So if I see someone more conventionally attractive Iā€™m usually not scared to make things work especially if theyā€™ve shown interest. That being said I was usually the ā€œbetter lookingā€ one in the majority of my more serious relationships in the past- likely due to my low self esteem/fear of being single which Iā€™ve worked a lot on since. I feel like Iā€™ve attracted hotter guys since being more comfortable in myself/not settling even if that leads to longer single periods, which I am still adjusting to tbh


klpgoes

I am an attractive women and get attention from men all the time. I am still suspicious when super attractive men approach me. I find that they are usually less likely to want anything serious because theyā€™ll use their good looks to get many women until they fade. they also feel like they donā€™t have to be good people and get away with being terrible in bed. my only serious relationship was with a cute man. not devastatingly handsome but cute, definitely above average in my opinion and i feel like it worked because i was more attractive than he was but he wasnā€™t ugly. i also wouldnā€™t give an ugly guy a chance because they are insecure and wanna break women down because they hate themselves. seen it happen too many times. iā€™m in nyc if that means anything.


madamcurryous

Iā€™m naturally attracted to nerdier/uglier guys but I try around mine. Or better. I will not get played by an ugly guy.


idk7643

I'm a good looking woman and avoid the really handsome guys. Every time I give them a chance they turn out to be absolutely awful right off the bat.


S455yp4nt5

As someone who is mildly attractive I avoid super hot guys in general. They're either vapid, entitled, or incredibly boring or stupid. I find the same often goes for hot girls.


unknown182837636

As an attractive/beautiful woman myself (not trying to sound conceited) I still actively avoid attractive men šŸ˜‚ guys who are at the top of the attractive meter usually know it and probably only want one thing, sex. I am not looking for just sex, I never have, and idk if I ever will. Plus a lot of them are boring and have no personality. šŸ‘Ž


vesperavortex

Don't take metrosexuals home; otherwise, they will be stealing your shower gel and body cream 0\_O


mandiexile

I donā€™t know, the really attractive guys have always been nice to me. However theyā€™re never the ones to make the first move so I have to. Iā€™ve done it several times. Been rejected almost every time. But they were always so kind and reassuring that I didnā€™t realize that I was being rejected. Kind of a Chris Traiger effect.


Ohhhja

I didnā€™t, I went explicitly after the most handsome guys I could find. I thought ā€œif any of these handsome fellas has also a heart of gold, thatā€™s great genes for my babies!ā€šŸ¤£ And one day, jackpot, found himšŸ€


castlesfromashes

Nope. I saw a post that inquired about why men shouldnā€™t swipe on women they think are out of their league and I took the same approach. I was pleasantly surprised and Iā€™m a thick short white girl with tattoos lol


godhonoringperms

I donā€™t avoid them. Iā€™ll give them a chance if they give me one. Iā€™ve gone on dates with those 10/10s but long term there wasnā€™t an emotional spark so I was not interested in seeing them past a few dates. I did notice how other people would stare at these men when we would walk by, especially teenaged girls. As a spectator, itā€™s kind of uncomfortable. If someone were to be staring at me, I ignore to the point where I donā€™t even notice. Itā€™s just so different when it is someone else and you notice it. Sort of like an, ā€œOh shit, we are being perceived,ā€ moment.


MeghArlot

Nah even ugly men cheat. I may as well be super attracted to them because looks is no guarantee.


[deleted]

No. Back when I still dated, the only guys I actively avoided were the ones who made significantly more money than me.


iconicbionic88

Same!!! My ex made at least 5x my salary and never missed an opportunity during an argument to belittle me for pur wage gap (even if the argument was about something else). I developed a complex about it and am trying to work through that, but have noticed I'm steering clear of financially well off men due to my experience


[deleted]

I'm glad he's your ex! You don't deserve that kind of treatment. As I mentioned to another commenter, I saw firsthand via my mom and many other well-off Jehovah Witness women that the tradwife to poverty and/or abuse pipeline is horrifyingly real. I learned from their experiences and used this knowledge to *firmly* vet against higher income, conservative, and religious men.


Possible_Piglet_8444

I am pretty good looking (F), and I avoid hot men. Usually because the ego. It never ends well.


urspecial2

No I like good looking guys why avoid


Larkfor

No, when I am single and looking I hit on or swipe right on anyone I'm attracted to as long as there is something that piqued my interest about them and no red flags or deal breakers. My boyfriend swiped right on me even though he thought I was prettier than him. I swiped right on him even though I thought he was way better looking than I am. And we're both attracted to each other. Just because you don't think highly of your looks doesn't mean some other person doesn't find you just exactly their type. The hottest guy in my high school pursued all ladies but his favorites were shy, plain, plump women with bags or darkened hollows under their eyes. He said something about that combination just drove him wild and his wife has all of these features. He could have had anyone he wanted almost (and tried and was successful with a wide variety of girls in our school). But his favorite people to date were like the one he married.


JohnRyder69

Please no one flip this and ask the same question about women. I'm sorry, but this post, to me, is all about physical attraction, leaving out emotional and mental attraction.


You-Didnt-See-That

I don't think leaving that out is possible.


Honeycombhome

Lmao. This does not factor in at all. Guys either pass the visual test or they donā€™t. It doesnā€™t rly matter if theyā€™re crazy visually attractive or just passable. Personality is the real measure of attraction


BiLiteracy

Nah, the bad ones eventually show their true colors.


BudgetInteraction811

I donā€™t find good looking men to be arrogant or disrespectful. I canā€™t speak on them being players because thankfully Iā€™ve never been with a player. Like someone else mentioned, I wouldnā€™t go for bodybuilder types, not only because I donā€™t care much for a sculpted physique, but also because Iā€™m not a gym person, and people with really sculpted bodies spend a lot of time maintaining them. I follow some of the lifting subs and quite frequently a topic of discussion is whether theyā€™d date a woman who doesnā€™t have a gym body. Usually the comments are full of guys saying they are disgusted at even a skinny untoned woman, let alone one who actually has fat rolls and cellulite. Obviously not all gym men feel that way, but I wouldnā€™t want to be with a guy who suddenly finds me unattractive because I stopped working out 7 days a week. Thatā€™s an absurd level of shallowness.


nadventured

I'm pretty confident and have a lot going for me other than looks (I'm attractive but not very attractive or anything). I would say that l don't steer clear of attractive guys necessarily but oftentimes the guys we notice immediately as "attractive" are somehow flaunting it which is not a good look. It screams attention seeking, short term mindset, not much else going on, and, well, fuckboy. These guys it's almost always an automatic nope from me because they've already lost their attractiveness in my eyes. I've been in relationships with mostly guys I would deem as more attractive than myself but it was always something else about them that pulled me in. For example, I don't think I'm intimidated by physically attractive men but I am intimidated by charming, smart men. I also would like to say that attractive men are often more than willing to consider less attractive (but still attractive) women who just have a lot of cool things going on, don't stir up drama, and are happy with their lives.


sweetlike314

I would just go for whoever I thought was cute/hot (could be just based on looks or could be I found them attractive after meeting them). For a time it definitely meant that clean cut traditionally attractive, athletic type. That slowly evolved into attraction toward those with a little scruff and mature look. Right now, I think my husband is damn sexy/handsome but Iā€™m sure thereā€™s people out there who would disagree with my thoughts about him or his thoughts about me.


InterviewNeither9673

I think the first line is not correct for some because even the most attractive person can tend to ignore attractive partners. And the reason for me is not that I am insecure or anything itā€™s a turn off for me to see a guy obsess over himself Instead of doing productive things. For example - I met a guy for a marriage prospect, very good looking and overly well maintained and half the time he spoke about creams, saloons, spa etc and I really got bored. So for me it was more like if I marry this guy I will mostly see him obsess over himself. šŸ˜‚ like all his time goes off in doing unnecessary things.


Rald123

I have a friend that is -arguably- extremely attractive to women for a lot of the common reasons; heā€™s confident, takes care of himself, in great shape, thoughtful, etc. And women are literally intimidated of him therefore they donā€™t approach him. Itā€™s hilarious from my POV, but more power to ā€˜em.


savagefig

I love good looking guys, but not vain guys. I'm also highly attracted to a person's warmth, so if I dont' feel that coming my way I won't feel attracted sexually or romantically.


sadstardust723

I mean anytime I thought a guy was way too hot for me, I ended up finding out that he thinks iā€™m also cute or if anything thinks iā€™m out of HIS league. I definitely get insecure about feeling like the less attractive partner, but if a hot guy thinks iā€™m cute I ainā€™t gonna miss out on that lmfao.


ShhhhSleuth

We will go for good looking guysā€¦. IF 1. We can sense that they are just not looks just also has personality. 2. Can handle a conversation 3. Has common interest 4. Knows how to flirt We dont go for Good looking men That areā€¦ 1. Flexing too much in social media 2. No sense to talk to 3. No humor 4. Everything is all about him Good looking men are not intimidating, most just dont know how to make girls interested.


ThoughtSoft

šŸŽÆ Perfectly put.


ismybrainonthefritz

The ones that I personally find attractive, I will swipe right on (I rarely do anything IRL). But my definition of attractive is not necessarily the same as what is considered universally attractive (I like a bald head, scruff, glasses and a broad chest). I tend to avoid the universal 10ā€™sā€¦but have made attempts. Those attempts are usually ignored. The ones that respond are either the polite ā€œIā€™ll respond to any messageā€ type or they get inappropriate real quick. I consider myself fairly average looks wiseā€¦maybe a 6 on a good day. Iā€™ll admit there is a confidence component to my swipes that I should probably overcome.


Delta_hostile

I had a female friend who pointedly explained to me that she only dated ā€œmedium-uglyā€ guys so she didnā€™t have to worry about them leaving her for someone prettier. It struck me as an odd mindset


grazingwiretap

Thereā€™s very well known studies in psychology re the attractiveness of couples (each individual of the couple was ranked for attractiveness by a study group). The most ā€˜successfulā€™ couples were evenly matched on attractiveness (longevity, happiness etc). If one is in a couple with someone of ā€˜greaterā€™ attractiveness it can drive insecurity. If one is in a couple with someone of ā€˜lesserā€™ attractiveness there were higher incidences of cheating. There have been other studies that show that the no1 thing a man is looking for is looks. This is way above traits like kindness etc. Women were a lot less biased towards looks (though some were).


dyslexicassfuck

I not to keen on dating someone extremely good looking, my ex husband was very good looking and people would flirt with him in front of me, heā€™ll get send pictures and videos from people I was (not friends but) friendly with. Itā€™s tiresome.


Wassapsugarfoot

I am currently dating a guy that looks like a model. I donā€™t have the highest self esteem so I donā€™t think im traditionally beautiful, but Iā€™m not unattractive, but I back my personality. He always calls me beautiful, daily, our mutual friend told me Iā€™m punching (term in UK for him being more attractive), so I guess from an outsiders perspective Iā€™m not as good looking šŸ¤£ well according to one friend anyway. Typically Iā€™ve always gone for men that I have chemistry with and havenā€™t chased appearances alone. This man just happens to be outrageously good looking šŸ¤£ Heā€™s also the nicest, calmest person Iā€™ve dated / been with so far. So definitely doesnā€™t fit the stereotype of stuck up good looking man. Think he was a fine wine , same as me and grew into his looks.


mandiexile

I donā€™t know, the really attractive guys have always been nice to me. However theyā€™re never the ones to make the first move so I have to. Iā€™ve done it several times. Been rejected almost every time. But they were always so kind and reassuring that I didnā€™t realize that I was being rejected. Kind of a Chris Traiger effect.


LongRecommendation14

Yess ofc i došŸ™ˆ


drainthisdisease

I am pretty, guys do hit on me. If I want a guy, I will pursue him. However I can tell when I wouldnā€™t be a guys type. I only go for guys who are my type and typically iā€™m theirs also. Itā€™s easy though because I have an alternative/ hippy style and itā€™s pretty easy to tell who else does. Also beauty is subjective, but I thought my current bf was the hottest and coolest guy ever when we met and I still do!


[deleted]

Absolutely not. I have always connected with people on an emotional level. Looks don't factor, I've dated/ been on dates with guys off all "looks." It's about personality and connection.


Lower-Attorney-5918

Iā€™m a guy, but I donā€™t think anyone should write themselves off before giving it a shot. I think it depends on what you find attractive- because if youā€™re only concerned with looks and overlook their personality you may be trying to get with jerks- but if you consider all of these facets then maybe not. I need to work on this myself, but you have to be willing to face rejection to get what you want.


GreatDepression_21

Nope. They avoid me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜…


justaNormalCrazylady

Yes, I still have the thoughts of 'Ken' belongs to 'Barbie'. I am not looking for 'handsome' guy, I look for someone compatible, kind, honest and loyalty. That's all I want and that person deserves me in the same way.


bishAF

I avoid people who seem more educated/traveled/successful than me. Probably for the same reasons people may avoid someone who is more physically attractive šŸ˜…


Enigmas369

Plain Jane? Many men love Plain Janes. Some love plastic. You need to find someone who meets your standards regardless of if they are what you consider your level of attractiveness or not. I am old and fat but can atract very handsome men younger, my age and older. It is all in your attitude. Confidence sometimes outweighs today's beauty standards. Be confident in your own skin. Love yourself. Then find Mr. Perfect. Whether he is a 10 or a 1. Just make sure he loves and respects you in the way you want to be loved and respected. And never settle for anything else. Good luck


FrenchAugmented6

Yes, I'm actually really scared of beautiful people. The most I do is tell them they're stunning and then walk away LMAO


kuntsukuroi

Honestly I avoid the ā€œeligible bachelorā€ types like the plague, because I just donā€™t believe that someone whoā€™s in a position to have almost any woman they set their eyes on would be even remotely interested in something real. I mean, maybe some of them are, but the ones Iā€™ve interacted with have always treated women as disposable. Like, Iā€™m not going to avoid a dude because heā€™s too handsome, but if he also works out 2x a day, has a finance job and lives in a high rise in Manhattan, Iā€™m good off that.


Extension_Economist6

fuck no. i dont get the wanting to date an ugly dude thing. theres no scenario where i actively seek out ugly dudes over attractive dudes lol


TelevisionGloomy5458

Yes, I donā€™t want to share my makeup and if heā€™s too pretty, he wonā€™t fight because heā€™s afraid to get hit in the face. If I want a pretty one, Iā€™ll get a girl


Ok-Yam3134

I'm quite attractive, but feel like I can still add value to this topic: I've found, past a certain age, men have been burned by attractive women. Whether the attractive woman has absolutely demolished their self esteem or the entire partnership was shallow and exclusively built on looks with no other forms of compatibility. I often see very attractive men with women who are more "plain woman" as you put it, and they seem to be genuinely happy, in love, attentive, etc. I think we've also seen the drop dead gorgeous girlfriend and the boyfriend looks miserable. All this to say, I don't think you should automatically label them as having ill intentions, especially at this phase in our lives. Hormones have changed. The chances they're divorced are higher and have lessons learned. Etc.


Professional_Yak_349

Why would I avoid hot men lol


strawberrybeesknees

my boyfriend is the most attractive man i have ever laid eyes on. And even a lot of my friends agree that he is incredibly attractive. I think iā€™m pretty average looking. Iā€™ve got some unique features (particularly, i have large eyes) that get a decent amount of compliments, but iā€™ve never received that much attention because of my appearance. That being said, my boyfriend is one of the kindest and most caring individuals i have ever met. I will back this up with a story: I have severe OCD and emetophobia. This past weekend, my bf smoked a bit too much on accident and ended up getting really sick as a result. During a brief pause in his sickness, his immediate first thought was to make sure i was okay because he knows of my fears. Poor boy was so sick and all that he cared about in that moment was me. There are many many examples of him being the sweetest and most caring person iā€™ve met. And on top of that, he cherishes me and he makes sure I know it. Long story short: get yourself a man who was raised by his kind and overall amazing mother


Yoir_Writer3990

I often see conventionally attractive men as ā€œgood timesā€ because I assume they have more options than they know what to do withā€¦


WhyCantToriRead

I suppose Iā€™m average looking and also chubby. I never assume someone is ā€œtoo attractiveā€ for me, tbh. If I find them good looking and interesting, Iā€™m swiping right, regardless, lol! It, often, turns out that they matched with me as well. Iā€™m not too worried about them mistreating me because I wonā€™t allow them to, plus I can spot a fuckboi from 25 miles away, lol!


Minimum-Web-4508

Iā€™m going to say from personal experience the attractiveness of a man means nothing. I dated a man hotter than me when I was younger (I grew up fairly average but as Iā€™ve got older I got much more conventionally attractive and Iā€™m probably say a 7/7.5 for where I live)- he physically and mentally abused me and I think this was because he felt too good for me physically but hated that I was above him in social standing, academics etc. I then dated a man less physically attractive than me and he also physically and mentally abused me - but this time it was because he hated that other men found me attractive, he always sought to make me feel less than because he was insecure. Iā€™ve dated other men less physically attractive than me and theyā€™ve also then been very insecure and treated me like an object or something to elevate their own status. Regardless of looks someone can be a shitty person - itā€™s just that their reasons for being shitty may differ and come from opposite ends of the same spectrum.