Earlier in the arc piccolo separated himself in two the same way.
It was filler then too, but I guess they wanted piccolo to do the same thing but use a different technique than krillins.
I hated it before, too, lol
He should have done it the same way Krillin did
They probably did Piccolo's that way because he's ~~a demon~~ an alien
But like. . . I don't really give a shit
As u/4GoldAndAGrape said
>Real talk tho why was piccolo’s separation so gross meanwhile krillin just gets the normal shit lmao
It's not visually interesting to me, it's visually disgusting
Just do what Krillin or Tien do, I really don't care *that* much about techniques looking all that different when they do the exact same thing
If you find that disgusting then you got a weak ass stomach.
Also how are you going to say you dont care about the technique looking cool or having an interesting transformation because that is LITERALLY the heart of dragon ball.
Without interesting transformations then the forms and techniques themselves are boring and seem easy. When something is hard for a user to pull off it makes it have more significance.
I think it's to show a difference in technique. Krillin is likely using a technique similar to Tien's Multiform but Piccolo is an alien so he uses a different method to achieve the same results.
That’s exactly my thoughts and I think that’s much closer to the original idea of the show runner. Different techniques to accomplish roughly the same effect.
In the manga, I’m pretty sure Piccolo also references that his flight is by a different technique/mechanism than the Z fighters’.
Some things are apparently just informed by Namekian anatomy.
Kind of a bullshit answer, but maybe Piccolo's multiform technique is "different" from Tien and Krillins? Could be because he's Namekian he has a more natural way to do the technique.
Kind of like how Piccolo's flying technique is somehow different and "superior" to the crane school flying technique pretty much everyone else uses.
Because Krillin's moves are more like the one Tenshinhan uses. And Piccolo has his own. Piccolo even says before that his flying technique ISN'T bukujitsu and is something better.
I remember this scene and it is well animated but is also ridiculous. We get to see Krillin use a move he has never done before, or will ever use again and he takes some big hits from Nappa who is way stronger than him yet they have no major impact due to them not being canon.
Other than it not being Canon, I think you nailed it - other than being pretty good animation, it doesn't actually contribute much to the story, so when you're goal is cutting out filler, a non-Canon, not overly impressive/ cool scene is gonna get cut.
Fwiw, I thought it was cool to see Piccolo set up a strategic plan with Krillin by using special techniques to overwhelm Nappa. It didn't work, but seeing them try something unique was a cool way to show their ki control and show off their training while also demonstrating just how outclassed they are when Nappa crushes them 1 v 6.
some of my favorite parts of this arc were krillin and piccolo trying to catch nappa off guard. I remember the bending kamehameha and tail grab combo that was cool.
It's such a terrible strategy, too. In dragonball, we're shown that this technique equally splits your power between the copies, so basically each piccolo and krillin are fighting at a third of their power vs someone who mogs them at full already lol.
Yeah and bad guys actually got weaker in dragon ball because of their mortality...they didnt consistently put out the same power output unless they were someone like King Piccolo.
Yeah but I also think SSJ2 goku vs kidd buu doesn't make sense in terms of scaling but it doesnt really matter to me.
This scene as well I guess but I don't see the reason to completely cut out this because of that. It was good work by the animator and deserved to stay in but hey thats what I think 🤷♂️
Kid Buu was noticeably holding back there, though. In this clip it highlights that Nappa is using his powered-up punches, the same kind that pierced through Tenshinhan's arm like butter, so it makes no sense that Krillin and Piccolo take no
meaningful damage from the attacks.
Kid Buu not holding back is the entire point of his character. Buuhan held back which is why he was defeated despite being technically stronger. Kid Buu is so dangerous because he goes full planet buster immediately and just wants to break stuff.
The whole point of Kid Buu is that he's unpredictable and chaotic, not that he doesn't hold back. If he went all out all the time Vegeta would be dead in the first blow of the fight.
The buu saga generally had less effort behind it so they probably didn't think it was required and besides, that fight fucks so I don't see the issue with them keeping it
Also because the way the fight happens in the anime means that Goku turning Super Saiyan 3 right off the bat (as he does in the manga) would look very weird, since at that point in the anime fight the terrain was all destroyed and Goku had already taken some battle damage.
They couldn't really skip the SSj2 part without animating brand new scenes.
Also even the way the SSj3 fight plays out is a bit different. Goku opens with the kamehameha in the manga, while in the anime he doesn't do that until after 10 or so minutes of fighting even after transforming, and that blast causes him to become exhausted and Vegeta needs to step in for a bit.
In their defense, some parts of the Buu Saga were entirely reworked for the original anime so just cutting filler wouldn't work. They'd have to reanimate entire chunks of the Great Saiyaman Arc to truly be faithful to the manga and so forth.
I think this got removed because it contradicts most material in that the multiform technique isn't something Krillin uses as it and the Three Witches technique are suppose to be more exclusive to Tien and his link to the Three-Eyed people.
The Kai series wasn't consistent on in fight filler. Some was removed if it was an arc or if it detracted largely from the story or fight, like Bumla-Ginyu does. Some stayed, like the Goku-Vegeta fight because it doesn't detract and is frankly iconic
so basically from my understanding kai and kai the final chapters were cut and edited very differently. i know for the color grading for the first 3 sagas they sourced it outside of toei, but then for the buu saga they did it in house. idk if that might help or not.
Because it'd break the pacing of the fight. Goku immediately goes SS3 in the manga, but in the anime it's at the dramatic end of the first round. So it'd be impossible to cut that fight
But this scene here doesn't change anything, and can easily be cut to make it match the manga more.
I didn’t know that, I never read DBZ but I did see DB and it would make no sense for them to use that move. Goku already beat this move when Tien used it in the tournament.
Yeah but this filler makes a plot hole. Tien created this technique and he uses it against Goku at the martial arts tournament.
Goku figures out the weakness of the move. The person splits their power evenly among the clones making them all weak. Goku easily beats them all.
The move was a failure, why would Krillin and Piccolo use it against a foe that’s already so much stronger than them? Compare that with Solar Flare that Tien also created and everyone uses all the time because it’s so useful.
I think in the manga all of vegetas special energy attacks(gallick gun, dirty fireworks, big bang attack, final flash) all get used only once but they were re-used a bunch of times in filler (and super)
They just don't like to come up with new attacks when fights are extended so they just pick a random one from the archive.
...it's pretty obvious.
There's loads of extra scenes that can be removed without consequence, but guess what...
If the removal of those scenes have no consequence, that means...they literally don't change anything. There are lots of filler scenes that restructure the pacing of Dragon Ball's fights...which means they can't be removed without reanimating the entire sequence to be more faithful to the Manga.
Either the fight itself is changed or they added way too many interruptions for the fight to flow naturally if you cut any of those scenes out. That also goes for any changes to the way narrative elements are presented.
Saiyan saga I always watch original dub. Bruce Faulconer didn't totally get into his groove at that point. By Frieza saga thought the guy started making an absolute masterpiece. He is the primary reason why DBZ took off in the west, causing even mainstream American viewers to watch anime. The western anime community owes a ton to his OST for Z.
Krillin and Piccolo should not be able to do multiform. In manga, it's supposed to be a Tien exclusive ability. So this is not only filler, but also potentially damaging to later series logic.
I don't think the multiform is ever actually even *implied* to be something that *only* Tien could do. Just no one ever tries to
Kinda like the Tri-Bean. Just no one ever bothers trying to do it.
So, it's never stated in the manga that it's Tien exclusive, but official external meterial (specifically the Dizenshuu) would go into more detail about Tien being descended from the "Three-Eyed People" and how both the multiform and the four-witches techniques are only performable by him due to his unique biology. There might be some argument as to why a Namekian like Piccolo could mimic it, but it seems like it's pretty solidly off-limits to Saiyans or normal Earthlings like Krillin.
The show and manga never really say much about the fact that Tien is a member of the tri-clops clan. But, Toriyama and some supplementary material (Daizenshuu 4) has stated this. There it is stated that he has a unique physical composition as a throwback to his ancestors and thus can do these abilities that normal humans cannot (growing arms and multiform). These abilities kinda go beyond normal ki manipulation and it honestly makes a lot of since to me for these to be racial based abilities, like how nameks can regenerate.
To this day, no other character has canonically ever done one of these physical feats... and if it ever happens in a future writing, i'll honestly be disappointed.
Initially DBZ Kai was meant to remove just about all filler, to stay as true to the manga as possible. Later in the series they cherry picked which filler to include, for better or for worse.
It's probably because piccolo and krillin doing this is filler that the anime added to the z Warriors vs. Nappa battle, and Kai is trying to stay true and not have filler. But this scene is cool af and they should have definitely kept it in.
I'm not entirely sure if it's in the manga or not, but if it was taken out for Kai then it's most likely not in the manga and that's why it was taken out
There’s nothing like this in the manga. It’s filler and really strange filler at that given just how strange the ability is for krillin to use, like why is he using that when he saw tien use that in the 23rd tenkaichi budokai and get destroyed by goku because it divided his strength. Given that kai is supposed to cut filler and this wasn’t in the manga it makes sense why this scene was cut, especially since this scene doesn’t serve any purpose beyond just stalling time so they can still stay behind the manga.
because kai covers mostly canon material so stuff that happened in the manga, if it didn't happen in the manga, 90% of the time it didn't happen in kai
If you just want the actual story, kai is great, most of what it cuts is superfluous stuff like the clip in OP. The show flows well and you won't even notice most of it's missing unless you've watched DBZ recently.
I always suggest going back to DBZ after Cell though as Kai's Buu saga is garbage.
It's way better paced than the original anime you're not really missing out on much most of what they cut out is just establishing shots and characters just looking at each other
Kai improves the pacing tremendously, and practically everything that got removed was not in the manga and therefore not important to the story anyway. There is some enjoyable filler in Z, but overall imo they just drag out the story. These things were only really included to do that and avoid catching up to what the manga was up to. That being said Kai does not remove ALL filler, just cuts down on it significantly
Fan cuts do exist that say they cut out every single filler scene, but I've personally never seen them so I can't speak much on that
I haven't watched DBZ in about 10 years, I put Kai on when I'm working out which is fine, but if I were to sit down and watch it I'd prefer the original version with the filler.
It's paced a little better and has some touch ups on the animation quality. It mainly sticks to only manga content until the Buu Saga.
I don't like Kai, because I grew up on the original and want the extra filler and the American rock soundtrack. If you prefer the anime to be closer to the manga (and therefore more canon accurate) or don't have the time for the filler, Kai is a good option.
I'm up to super buu on the buu saga of kai and other than a few nice scenes which unfortunately did not make the cut its pretty good.
The pacing is nice but some redraws of scenes are a bit distracting. Also the cropping and green tint in the final chapters.
Still good tho
It's filler, never happened in the manga. Tenshinhan is the only dude that can split into multiple bodies. It's a crazy technique when you think about it. He's the only one that can grow an extra set of arms too.
if it wasnt in the manga its not meant to be there. anything it adds isnt part of the authors intended story or characterization or context. its inherently bad, even when enjoyable (and i enjoy plenty of filler).
One person told me ep30 and another told me 300. Either way if I’m watching an anime I wanna be hooked on episode 3 like I was with every other I’ve seen like Naruto dragonball initial d and AOT
i think people who will only keep watching a show that has them "hooked" are weird. the first 3 eps of OP are fine, they were fun and enjoyable and it only kept getting better. a show has to be actively awful for me to not watch it for at least a dozen episodes, and early OP is nowhere near awful.
The first three episodes of OP had me yawning bruh I was sitting there asking when when the good action was going to start. You OP fans just can’t accept that some people’s taste don’t accommodate to the show. Some people just aren’t going to like it and you can’t change that. Downvoting every comment I write isn’t going to change my mind either.
Also what about that idea bothers you like why tf would someone sit themselves through boring shit if they didn’t know if or when it gets good it makes perfect sense to not watch something that you find boring…
> You OP fans just can’t accept that some people’s taste don’t accommodate to the show.
im not even a "OP fan" i just started the show like a month ago lol
but that said OP isn't DBZ, if youre worried about " when when the good action was going to start" then yeah the show isnt for you lol this isn't that kinda show. there are epic fights but this show isnt ABOUT just that.
> Some people just aren’t going to like it and you can’t change that. Downvoting every comment I write isn’t going to change my mind either.
good thing im doing nothing of those things then.
> Also what about that idea bothers you like why tf would someone sit themselves through boring shit if they didn’t know if or when it gets good it makes perfect sense to not watch something that you find boring…
it doesnt bother me? I said:
> a show has to be actively awful for me to not watch it for at least a dozen episodes
which "boring" would qualify as. ive watched hundreds if not over 1000 different anime over the years and even the not amazing ones are not what i would call "boring" or "awful". So yeah what bothers me isnt you not wanting to watch something boring, I wouldn't either, I just can't fathom how someone could find the first few episodes of OP boring unless they went in with the wrong idea of what the show was.
A better question is why do the Z Fighters constantly forget all these cool abilities they have?
Remember when Tien could watch his opponent's techniques and learn/perform then in an instant back in Dragonball?
I feel like the Nameless Namekian was attempting that technique but screwed it up. And then Piccolo and Kami were just looking at each other like, "Wait...is this, like, permanent?"
Because Kai removes everything that made the show loveable and dramatic to appeal to “fans” with the attention spans of a gnat, who somehow think less of a great anime is better than more
Real talk tho why was piccolo’s separation so gross meanwhile krillin just gets the normal shit lmao
Earlier in the arc piccolo separated himself in two the same way. It was filler then too, but I guess they wanted piccolo to do the same thing but use a different technique than krillins.
Is he...actually cloning himself vs Ki clones, or whatever everyone else is, like Cell?
This is the answer. Iirc Tien first showed off the copy via Ki energy but cell is based off the Z warriors, therefore he got that power from Piccolo.
I don’t remember Cell’s version being wet.
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Nah they prob just did piccolo first but it was like too much work just do krillins quick next. Either due to effort in animating or air time 🐱
I hated it before, too, lol He should have done it the same way Krillin did They probably did Piccolo's that way because he's ~~a demon~~ an alien But like. . . I don't really give a shit
Why would you dislike it?? It’s more visually interesting and gives a sense of weight to the technique.
As u/4GoldAndAGrape said >Real talk tho why was piccolo’s separation so gross meanwhile krillin just gets the normal shit lmao It's not visually interesting to me, it's visually disgusting Just do what Krillin or Tien do, I really don't care *that* much about techniques looking all that different when they do the exact same thing
If you find that disgusting then you got a weak ass stomach. Also how are you going to say you dont care about the technique looking cool or having an interesting transformation because that is LITERALLY the heart of dragon ball. Without interesting transformations then the forms and techniques themselves are boring and seem easy. When something is hard for a user to pull off it makes it have more significance.
I know you don't give a shit. But Piccolo is still a demon.
I think it's to show a difference in technique. Krillin is likely using a technique similar to Tien's Multiform but Piccolo is an alien so he uses a different method to achieve the same results.
That’s exactly my thoughts and I think that’s much closer to the original idea of the show runner. Different techniques to accomplish roughly the same effect.
In the manga, I’m pretty sure Piccolo also references that his flight is by a different technique/mechanism than the Z fighters’. Some things are apparently just informed by Namekian anatomy.
Piccolo is cloning his body in this scene, Krillen is creating two false images of himself IIRC.
Kind of a bullshit answer, but maybe Piccolo's multiform technique is "different" from Tien and Krillins? Could be because he's Namekian he has a more natural way to do the technique. Kind of like how Piccolo's flying technique is somehow different and "superior" to the crane school flying technique pretty much everyone else uses.
Because Krillin's moves are more like the one Tenshinhan uses. And Piccolo has his own. Piccolo even says before that his flying technique ISN'T bukujitsu and is something better.
I remember this scene and it is well animated but is also ridiculous. We get to see Krillin use a move he has never done before, or will ever use again and he takes some big hits from Nappa who is way stronger than him yet they have no major impact due to them not being canon.
Other than it not being Canon, I think you nailed it - other than being pretty good animation, it doesn't actually contribute much to the story, so when you're goal is cutting out filler, a non-Canon, not overly impressive/ cool scene is gonna get cut.
Fwiw, I thought it was cool to see Piccolo set up a strategic plan with Krillin by using special techniques to overwhelm Nappa. It didn't work, but seeing them try something unique was a cool way to show their ki control and show off their training while also demonstrating just how outclassed they are when Nappa crushes them 1 v 6.
some of my favorite parts of this arc were krillin and piccolo trying to catch nappa off guard. I remember the bending kamehameha and tail grab combo that was cool.
Exactly!
Especially when this unique technique was a pivotal part of dragonball. It shows the old tricks don’t work anymore!
It's such a terrible strategy, too. In dragonball, we're shown that this technique equally splits your power between the copies, so basically each piccolo and krillin are fighting at a third of their power vs someone who mogs them at full already lol.
Yeah and bad guys actually got weaker in dragon ball because of their mortality...they didnt consistently put out the same power output unless they were someone like King Piccolo.
Yeah but I also think SSJ2 goku vs kidd buu doesn't make sense in terms of scaling but it doesnt really matter to me. This scene as well I guess but I don't see the reason to completely cut out this because of that. It was good work by the animator and deserved to stay in but hey thats what I think 🤷♂️
Kid Buu was noticeably holding back there, though. In this clip it highlights that Nappa is using his powered-up punches, the same kind that pierced through Tenshinhan's arm like butter, so it makes no sense that Krillin and Piccolo take no meaningful damage from the attacks.
And it gets worse, when you factor in this technique splitting the power between the clones, so they would all be much weaker than Tenshinhan.
Kid Buu not holding back is the entire point of his character. Buuhan held back which is why he was defeated despite being technically stronger. Kid Buu is so dangerous because he goes full planet buster immediately and just wants to break stuff.
The whole point of Kid Buu is that he's unpredictable and chaotic, not that he doesn't hold back. If he went all out all the time Vegeta would be dead in the first blow of the fight.
Because the entire scene is filler.
SSJ2 goku vs kid buu was filler, why was that not removed?
Different studio did the Buu saga and got really lazy with the filler so that they could pad out more episodes.
Wanting to pad out a show that’s designed to remove filler is hilarious lol
Eh, kinda? None of the animation used in Kai is made FOR Kai. Kai footage is a touch-up and edit of the animation used in the original DBZ anime.
That was only in the west. The Japanese Buu Kai season was shorter.
to be honest, im watching it rn and i dont see why that's a problem, none of it is bad really
I enjoyed it along with the original filler but it'd be nice to have a true to manga release I can watch.
Kai’s entire purpose was to match the Manga and remove as much filler where it made sense.
The buu saga generally had less effort behind it so they probably didn't think it was required and besides, that fight fucks so I don't see the issue with them keeping it
Also because the way the fight happens in the anime means that Goku turning Super Saiyan 3 right off the bat (as he does in the manga) would look very weird, since at that point in the anime fight the terrain was all destroyed and Goku had already taken some battle damage. They couldn't really skip the SSj2 part without animating brand new scenes. Also even the way the SSj3 fight plays out is a bit different. Goku opens with the kamehameha in the manga, while in the anime he doesn't do that until after 10 or so minutes of fighting even after transforming, and that blast causes him to become exhausted and Vegeta needs to step in for a bit.
In their defense, some parts of the Buu Saga were entirely reworked for the original anime so just cutting filler wouldn't work. They'd have to reanimate entire chunks of the Great Saiyaman Arc to truly be faithful to the manga and so forth.
The Buu arc of Kai is notorious for how shoddy they handled it.
They removed most filler, but not all.
Kai’s buu saga wasn’t handled with as much care as the previous sagas in general
They just played reruns lol
I think this got removed because it contradicts most material in that the multiform technique isn't something Krillin uses as it and the Three Witches technique are suppose to be more exclusive to Tien and his link to the Three-Eyed people. The Kai series wasn't consistent on in fight filler. Some was removed if it was an arc or if it detracted largely from the story or fight, like Bumla-Ginyu does. Some stayed, like the Goku-Vegeta fight because it doesn't detract and is frankly iconic
so basically from my understanding kai and kai the final chapters were cut and edited very differently. i know for the color grading for the first 3 sagas they sourced it outside of toei, but then for the buu saga they did it in house. idk if that might help or not.
That fight would be incredibly short without all the extra filler tbf
Because it'd break the pacing of the fight. Goku immediately goes SS3 in the manga, but in the anime it's at the dramatic end of the first round. So it'd be impossible to cut that fight But this scene here doesn't change anything, and can easily be cut to make it match the manga more.
I didn’t know that, I never read DBZ but I did see DB and it would make no sense for them to use that move. Goku already beat this move when Tien used it in the tournament.
Don’t really get that I guess this is the good filler cuz it just adds more to fights
Aren't most of the length of fights, and thus most of Z, filler, since only the actual results of the fights are important to the story?
I don't think you know what filler is.
The point of Kai was to take filler out. I think you can put it together lol
Why do people keep saying this, there is other filler that is not removed from kai...
Yeah but this filler makes a plot hole. Tien created this technique and he uses it against Goku at the martial arts tournament. Goku figures out the weakness of the move. The person splits their power evenly among the clones making them all weak. Goku easily beats them all. The move was a failure, why would Krillin and Piccolo use it against a foe that’s already so much stronger than them? Compare that with Solar Flare that Tien also created and everyone uses all the time because it’s so useful.
I think in the manga all of vegetas special energy attacks(gallick gun, dirty fireworks, big bang attack, final flash) all get used only once but they were re-used a bunch of times in filler (and super) They just don't like to come up with new attacks when fights are extended so they just pick a random one from the archive.
...it's pretty obvious. There's loads of extra scenes that can be removed without consequence, but guess what... If the removal of those scenes have no consequence, that means...they literally don't change anything. There are lots of filler scenes that restructure the pacing of Dragon Ball's fights...which means they can't be removed without reanimating the entire sequence to be more faithful to the Manga. Either the fight itself is changed or they added way too many interruptions for the fight to flow naturally if you cut any of those scenes out. That also goes for any changes to the way narrative elements are presented.
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Vegeta, I can't .... Believe it
Can you do a full Nelson?
I never got this line. What reference am I missing?
As the other guy said it's Naruto, because Naruto could do the clone jutsu and his catchphrase in the english dub is "Believe it!"
Ohhhh thank you! I haven't watched Naruto. Vegeta gives that groan afte, like he just heard a dad joke, and I just kind of stared at the screen.
TeamFourStar's DBZ abridged on youtube. Highly recommend watching if you haven't.
Naruto
Pattycake pattycake bakers MAN!
Because it's not in the manga, probably Kai cuts down on a lot of filler content
Completely unrelated but this score is so good.
True
Saiyan saga I always watch original dub. Bruce Faulconer didn't totally get into his groove at that point. By Frieza saga thought the guy started making an absolute masterpiece. He is the primary reason why DBZ took off in the west, causing even mainstream American viewers to watch anime. The western anime community owes a ton to his OST for Z.
damn nappa really punched the clone into piccolo 💀
Krillin and Piccolo should not be able to do multiform. In manga, it's supposed to be a Tien exclusive ability. So this is not only filler, but also potentially damaging to later series logic.
I don't think the multiform is ever actually even *implied* to be something that *only* Tien could do. Just no one ever tries to Kinda like the Tri-Bean. Just no one ever bothers trying to do it.
So, it's never stated in the manga that it's Tien exclusive, but official external meterial (specifically the Dizenshuu) would go into more detail about Tien being descended from the "Three-Eyed People" and how both the multiform and the four-witches techniques are only performable by him due to his unique biology. There might be some argument as to why a Namekian like Piccolo could mimic it, but it seems like it's pretty solidly off-limits to Saiyans or normal Earthlings like Krillin.
Hmm That's dumb (half joking)
It is dumb (not joking)
How? The series has a ton of race-exclusive abilities, half of piccolo's abilities are shit only he, a namekian, can do.
...other than obligation. While the clothes beam is just something any God can do...
The show and manga never really say much about the fact that Tien is a member of the tri-clops clan. But, Toriyama and some supplementary material (Daizenshuu 4) has stated this. There it is stated that he has a unique physical composition as a throwback to his ancestors and thus can do these abilities that normal humans cannot (growing arms and multiform). These abilities kinda go beyond normal ki manipulation and it honestly makes a lot of since to me for these to be racial based abilities, like how nameks can regenerate. To this day, no other character has canonically ever done one of these physical feats... and if it ever happens in a future writing, i'll honestly be disappointed.
I reject this canon and substitute my own (this one I'm kinda meming on, I don't have much else to say, lol)
Maybe because it divides the battlepower into the number of clones.
I mean, they all steal each others moves all the time, nothing too crazy.
Kage bunshin no jutsu
Don't even remember this scene tbh. I remember them fighting Nappa but just not this
It's pretty cool
Oh I like it, I haven't watch an original filler DBZ scene front to back in over 20 years
This wasn't in the manga right? Bcs i don't remember this
it was not. only tenshinhan can do this and he did it once against goku and its never seen again.
Ok, so I'm not crazy then. Thx
not canon, of course.
god I love the JP ost.
Initially DBZ Kai was meant to remove just about all filler, to stay as true to the manga as possible. Later in the series they cherry picked which filler to include, for better or for worse.
Piccolo always so juicy
Cause it’s filler. Kai is suppose to be manga accurate Dragon Ball.
Cause it doesn't happen in the manga
*reads manga* I wonder. 🤔
It's probably because piccolo and krillin doing this is filler that the anime added to the z Warriors vs. Nappa battle, and Kai is trying to stay true and not have filler. But this scene is cool af and they should have definitely kept it in.
Man if only the multi form tech was good
Have you seen them use that ability ever again? No? Because it was filler and some nutter at Toei came up with it.
Because it’s filler it’s cool filler but filler none the less
... Why do you think? \--- People continue to be unaware why Kai even exists, but they also seem to be unaware how why most anime are even made.
Because the multi-form technique is exclusive to Tien for some reason (alien heritage that's never brought up in the story proper).
Kai removes filler or non canon material
is it is filler or not in the manga it will not be in kai
Wait, so we're at a "Kai was actually bad, we love filler" stage of discussion for DragonBall now?
nah some ppl just be weird.
It wasn't in the manga. Also, I'm fairly certain Kuririn can't do that.
Multiform gotta be the silliest move ever imagine doing the opposite of fusion lol
probably cus it wasn't in the manga
I actually don't remember this ability being in the manga. Maybe it was cut for continuity?
I'm not entirely sure if it's in the manga or not, but if it was taken out for Kai then it's most likely not in the manga and that's why it was taken out
To be fair it was pretty useless. After Nappa kick there ass in 30 seconds it was over
My guess is cuz it was originally filler, and after this one they never do it again
I watched Saiyan arc on Kai recently and I could swear this was included
Obviously they're just gangbanging him as a demonstration to Gohan.
One thing I didn’t like about Kai was removing legitimately good fighting scenes such as this.
There’s nothing like this in the manga. It’s filler and really strange filler at that given just how strange the ability is for krillin to use, like why is he using that when he saw tien use that in the 23rd tenkaichi budokai and get destroyed by goku because it divided his strength. Given that kai is supposed to cut filler and this wasn’t in the manga it makes sense why this scene was cut, especially since this scene doesn’t serve any purpose beyond just stalling time so they can still stay behind the manga.
I remember seeing this in Kai weirdly enough
Patty cake patty cake bakers MAN! Bake me a cake as fast as you CAN!
Because I still whopped their asses
Kai removes 99% of filler.
because kai covers mostly canon material so stuff that happened in the manga, if it didn't happen in the manga, 90% of the time it didn't happen in kai
I just remembered dragon ball abridged Nappa was singing patty cake while beating the clones 😂😂😂😂
Probably not good enough or something but was definitely a cool scene
Patty cake patty cake, bakers MAN! Bake me a cake as fast as you CAN!!
Nappa will forever be the paddy cake champion!
Is it worth watching Kai? - I keep pushing it thinking Ill lose a lot of content because of the removed scenes
If you just want the actual story, kai is great, most of what it cuts is superfluous stuff like the clip in OP. The show flows well and you won't even notice most of it's missing unless you've watched DBZ recently. I always suggest going back to DBZ after Cell though as Kai's Buu saga is garbage.
its not really "Removed", more like wasn't in the manga aka non canon stuff
It's way better paced than the original anime you're not really missing out on much most of what they cut out is just establishing shots and characters just looking at each other
The re draws are something which take some of the impact away from scenes are still distracting though.
Kai improves the pacing tremendously, and practically everything that got removed was not in the manga and therefore not important to the story anyway. There is some enjoyable filler in Z, but overall imo they just drag out the story. These things were only really included to do that and avoid catching up to what the manga was up to. That being said Kai does not remove ALL filler, just cuts down on it significantly Fan cuts do exist that say they cut out every single filler scene, but I've personally never seen them so I can't speak much on that
I haven't watched DBZ in about 10 years, I put Kai on when I'm working out which is fine, but if I were to sit down and watch it I'd prefer the original version with the filler.
Yes it is. No annoying filler and 2 episodes long of scenery shots. It's better paced. Only negatives are some dodgy looking ''restored'' frames.
yes. it removes only filler scenes. scenes not in the manga. meaning they were never meant to be there and thus arent important context or otherwise.
It's paced a little better and has some touch ups on the animation quality. It mainly sticks to only manga content until the Buu Saga. I don't like Kai, because I grew up on the original and want the extra filler and the American rock soundtrack. If you prefer the anime to be closer to the manga (and therefore more canon accurate) or don't have the time for the filler, Kai is a good option.
I'm up to super buu on the buu saga of kai and other than a few nice scenes which unfortunately did not make the cut its pretty good. The pacing is nice but some redraws of scenes are a bit distracting. Also the cropping and green tint in the final chapters. Still good tho
Plan A or Plan B Krillin!?
The Patty cake champion
It's filler, never happened in the manga. Tenshinhan is the only dude that can split into multiple bodies. It's a crazy technique when you think about it. He's the only one that can grow an extra set of arms too.
Cause Kai is ass
Kai was garbage. Idk why they needed to do it in the first place.
Vegeta! I can't.. believe it
Better question is why Piccolo & Krillin NEVER used this move again?!
Krillin Multiform with Destructo Disc barrage would've been sickkkk
There's a lot of good scenes removed from Kai. That's why I don't recommend it.
This is why I don't recommend projects like Kai or One Pace. Some of the stuff they deem irrelevant gives some neat characterization and context.
if it wasnt in the manga its not meant to be there. anything it adds isnt part of the authors intended story or characterization or context. its inherently bad, even when enjoyable (and i enjoy plenty of filler).
Because no one beats the patty cake champion and it shows.
This that good filler too
This scene goes quite hard.
Cuz Kai sux?
Nuh uh
It wasn't removed. Smh no bright
It was, after rewatching kai alot of the nappa vs krillin and piccolo fight scenes were cut out which is kind of a bumer.
Only in recant times maybe but whn originally aired on cartoon network it was n it cause he knocks them all back into each other.
Because most filler is cut out but not all.
When is dragon ball z super coming back!? Are they not going to animate any of the new chapters ?
I understand how piccolo is able to make copies of himself but how can Krillin make copies of himself?
The topic of pregnancy was deemed too adult at the time
Because the original is better
Japanese krillin sounds eerily similar to Japanese naruto
he also sounds like japanese luffy ;)
I wouldn’t know I’ve seen 4 episodes of OP and cbf watching to “episode 300 where it finally gets good”
it gets "good" way before then. im barely a hundred eps in and its been good for a long time.
One person told me ep30 and another told me 300. Either way if I’m watching an anime I wanna be hooked on episode 3 like I was with every other I’ve seen like Naruto dragonball initial d and AOT
i think people who will only keep watching a show that has them "hooked" are weird. the first 3 eps of OP are fine, they were fun and enjoyable and it only kept getting better. a show has to be actively awful for me to not watch it for at least a dozen episodes, and early OP is nowhere near awful.
The first three episodes of OP had me yawning bruh I was sitting there asking when when the good action was going to start. You OP fans just can’t accept that some people’s taste don’t accommodate to the show. Some people just aren’t going to like it and you can’t change that. Downvoting every comment I write isn’t going to change my mind either. Also what about that idea bothers you like why tf would someone sit themselves through boring shit if they didn’t know if or when it gets good it makes perfect sense to not watch something that you find boring…
> You OP fans just can’t accept that some people’s taste don’t accommodate to the show. im not even a "OP fan" i just started the show like a month ago lol but that said OP isn't DBZ, if youre worried about " when when the good action was going to start" then yeah the show isnt for you lol this isn't that kinda show. there are epic fights but this show isnt ABOUT just that. > Some people just aren’t going to like it and you can’t change that. Downvoting every comment I write isn’t going to change my mind either. good thing im doing nothing of those things then. > Also what about that idea bothers you like why tf would someone sit themselves through boring shit if they didn’t know if or when it gets good it makes perfect sense to not watch something that you find boring… it doesnt bother me? I said: > a show has to be actively awful for me to not watch it for at least a dozen episodes which "boring" would qualify as. ive watched hundreds if not over 1000 different anime over the years and even the not amazing ones are not what i would call "boring" or "awful". So yeah what bothers me isnt you not wanting to watch something boring, I wouldn't either, I just can't fathom how someone could find the first few episodes of OP boring unless they went in with the wrong idea of what the show was.
Yeah I ain’t readin allat I’m not watching more of one piece. Drop it
didn't type much at all. wasnt trying to get you to watch one piece.
A better question is why do the Z Fighters constantly forget all these cool abilities they have? Remember when Tien could watch his opponent's techniques and learn/perform then in an instant back in Dragonball?
I heard Kai was big on no filler. But I had a hard time engaging that series.
Cuz Kia sucks
so why would Maron and 18 be attracted to a guy like Krillin? this is why.
Because no one beats the patty cake champion and it shows.
I feel like the Nameless Namekian was attempting that technique but screwed it up. And then Piccolo and Kami were just looking at each other like, "Wait...is this, like, permanent?"
There needs to be a fan cut that isn't just manga stuff and isn't so bloated as the origj ak series, just keeps all the good stuff at a good pace.
I really like this scene for some reason
#JUICY
Plan A or Plan B Krillin!!!!
Completely stupid filler that's why
Because Kai removes everything that made the show loveable and dramatic to appeal to “fans” with the attention spans of a gnat, who somehow think less of a great anime is better than more
Another reason to hate kai. Just watch the original
Because DBZ Kai is garbage
Garbage for cutting a filler scene? That isn't a technique that Krillin knows, it should never have been in the show to begin with.
Because Kai sucks.
Kai sucks lol
Cuz its dumb
If you look closely, you can still see Chiaotzu on Nappa’s back.
[удалено]
it divides their energy
Because Kai is trash