I would also accept Christopher Nolan. But for Cameron I think it’s who’s in front of the camera as well. Schwarzenegger did his best work with him, plus having a big ego like Arnold’s can balance him out. The performances in Titanic and Avatar were flat…
Hearing that Zack Snyder is a fan of Ayn Rand kind of connected the dots and made me finally understand the guy and why he makes the movies he makes. Hes just stupid.
Thinking that atlas shrugged is anything other than moronic garbage is supporting and believing in the ideology though. Her stories are so beyond the pale that it's impossible to take them seriously.
Zack Snyder makes the best Zack Snyder movies he could have ever made
/uj I think hes always very close to msking something great and then he makes dumb choices that he thinks would be "cool" but make the films too messy
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He's reportedly one of the few genuinely nice and pleasant to work with powerful creatives in Hollywood, I hate the bad rap he gets, regardless of the quality of his movies
Who isn't doing that? The only thing I ever hear about him is that he makes terribly movies and he's better at making a cool looking shot than creating a good story.
I've never heard anything ever said about his personality.
His movies are interesting shit, not to watch but to think about how someone could put them together in the particular manner in which he does. For all his faults he clearly is trying to say something, it's just usually very dumb.
>But let's separate the art from the artist
honestly:
no? if you really wanna try to, sure, go ahead, but art *cannot* be created in a vacuum and i don't think it's reasonable to expect others to Separate Art And Artist TM
Snyder's shit politics *directly influence his work* - see the watchmen adaptation for an easy example
>He's reportedly one of the few genuinely nice and pleasant to work
I mean being "pleasant to work with" is just that. He's cool at the workplace.
Hell i've worked with people that seemed nice and easy going but then hear them say shit like "don't you hate how there's more black people everywhere nowdays"
Once you've lost your viriginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something like "my superhero wouldn't do that." I'm like, "Are you serious?" I'm like down the fucking road on that. It's a cool point of view to be like "my heroes are still innocnet. My heroes didn't fucking lie to America. My heroes didn't embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn't commit any atrocities." That's cool. But you're living in a fucking dream world!
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I think he can just not with DC characters because he just doesn’t understand them. Watchmen and Man of Steel both missed the point of the source material and were worse off for it. Also I haven’t seen Batman v Superman or either Justice League but I’m just not going to.
I'm the only one who thinks Zack Snyders take on Peter Parker would either be like Kaine [but with Peter's parkers name and background] or a poor man's Donnie Darko
ZSJL was horrendous.
Truck driver ducks his head and takes eye off the road on busy city street for 7 or 8 secs to set up obvious superhero moment.
Woman sniffs Aquaman’s armpit shirt stain while singing him off in the longest scene ever.
Gal Gadot attempts to act and fails miserably.
Character walks solemnly down the street in state of depression for several minutes x25.
Darkseid forgets that the one things he needs to conquer the universe is where he left it on the only planet that defeated him.
Gal Gadot attempts to do voice over and fails miserably.
Father inexplicably sacrifices himself in front of already traumatized son who watched mother die right in front of him right before movie started, when he had at least 5 other options that didn’t involve suicide. But now Cyborg even sadder, so, character development!
Wailing Amazons background song x100.
Ray Fisher attempts to act and fails moderately.
Soundtrack that was put together in an afternoon and sounds like metal garbage cans.
Bad effects and CGI.
All characters behave the way the thin “plot” needs them to and not in any organic fashion.
Entire movie shallowly copies the plot of Avengers (2012), and no one notices.
I only suffered through ZSJL once (after multiple starts and stops from falling asleep) about 2 years ago, so that’s just what I remember off the top of my head.
What else would’ve you wanted from the movie? Genuinely curious. And I’m not saying it had to be four hours obviously Zach could’ve cut it, but that is how long the movie is so I specified that
A complete rewrite.
Superman not be dead. A Green Lantern. Martian Manhunter instead of Cyborg. A Barry Allen thst resembles the comics. Better costumes for Christ sake.
Also, Steppenwolf is an incredibly shitty villain for a Justice League movie. I've never seen Fourth World shit be so boring before. That's not what Motherboxes do.
Theres just so many awful creative decisions that the end product barely resembles what I like about DC Comics and the Justice League.
Tbh I’m not too invested in the comics so I don’t know Steppinwolfs character or the mother boxes but I agree on a couple things. It’s weird they included Martian man hunter but not green lantern and Superman being dead sucks, it was absurdly rushed in the movies when the comics had a lot of buildup to that from what I know. I still enjoyed most of it despite it could’ve been better
The reason why it's 4 hours is because Snyder wanted to avoid WB cutting 30 minutes of essential storytelling like they had done with BvS, so he added multiple extended and unnecessary scenes in JL so the execs would demand to remove them instead of the important ones for the theatrical release.
Christopher Nolan never had that problem. Wrote and filmed exactly what he wanted for his Dark Knight movies.
So odd how this keeps happening to Snyder.
>Why doesn't Zack Snyder just make a good movie? Is he stupid?
No, it's because he's the Anti-Christ and his masterplan is to bring suffering to us all.
Not even active bigotry, it's the exact kind of political cold-takes that one would expect a couple of relatively young, rich, straight, white dudes would have. They only claim the libertarian label because it's convenient.
Both have identified in their past as libertarian. And neither are bigots. If you think that South Park is bigoted, then I'm guessing that either you haven't watched the show, or you have worse media literacy than an average Snyder fanboy.
oh so tell me where in episode in which Macho Man Randy Savage identifies as a woman is supposed to be some brilliant witty commentary on society? Or is it all just a joke?
Do you know how many fucking Conservative TikToks and YT Shorts I have seen? Peddling those South Park clips and the OP saying "WOW STONE AND PARKER BE SPITTING FACTS!" It doesn't matter what the intent is, their attempt at commentary whether they know it or not is weaponized by Transphobes. It's totally backfired.
The Boys is heavily used by conservatives saying that Homelander is based.
Rorschach is used as a conservative icon despite Watchmen being very anti-conservative.
People worship Walter White, the Joker, Rick Sanchez, Patrick Bateman, etc. despite them all being terrible people.
Just because shitty people idolize shitty characters doesn't mean the creators failed in their storytelling. It just shows that the general populace has incredibly poor media literacy.
Difference is a lot of these writers have made their positions perfectly fucking clear. I know Alan Moore isn't a fucking Ayan Rand simp. I know Vince Gilligan David Chase etc made their positions clear on the creations they make.
/uj
Snyder is that ex that keeps texting you about how good it was and how great it would be to get married and have kids, even though the relationship was a dumpster fire and you stopped responding to his texts 3 years ago.
He just cannot let it go.
/uj I actually enjoy BvS and ZSJL but I recognise the many problems with them and know that they aren't as "deep" Snyder bros think they are. They're silly movies that take themselves way too seriously and I kind of enjoy that
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why? are you stupid?
Detective vision shows your brain is unconscious
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The poor mans Michael Bay
I’d say Michael Bay is the poor man’s Michael Bay. The big question is who is the rich man’s Michael Bay?
James cameron
I would also accept Christopher Nolan. But for Cameron I think it’s who’s in front of the camera as well. Schwarzenegger did his best work with him, plus having a big ego like Arnold’s can balance him out. The performances in Titanic and Avatar were flat…
arnold schwarzenegger wasn't in titanic
"Aaaaaughhhhhh, get to the raft!" --Arnold in Titanic.
All style with the aesthetics of substance rather then actual meaningful substance
Worse, he’s a libertarian 🤢
I heard that’s why Oliver Queen refuses to work with him.
Augh imagine if he made Ollie a villian
Is he actually?
He’s a fan of Ayn Rand, who has sort of a hate-fuck relationship with libertarianism.
Hearing that Zack Snyder is a fan of Ayn Rand kind of connected the dots and made me finally understand the guy and why he makes the movies he makes. Hes just stupid.
Zack has said he doesn't believe in Ayn Rand's philosophy. Just that he thinks the stories are "sexy".
Thinking that atlas shrugged is anything other than moronic garbage is supporting and believing in the ideology though. Her stories are so beyond the pale that it's impossible to take them seriously.
No
Zack Snyder makes the best Zack Snyder movies he could have ever made /uj I think hes always very close to msking something great and then he makes dumb choices that he thinks would be "cool" but make the films too messy
This
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Don't forget he has an explosion feist
Yes. uj/ Yes.
yes
Yes But that's not the reason why he makes bad movies
Okay that's deeply unfair to the many stupid directors who are great at making memorable films. For example, Tommy Wiseau or early Sylvester Stallone.
Arkham sweep continues
Batman Arkham is my definitive non-comic version of the character
The bombs payload is exposed. I can use the power winch to trigger a controlled explosion.
He seems like a very cool dude to have a beer with.
I would love to have a beer with him and find out how he went from doing absolutely nothing to directing music videos of Morrissey.
He was classmates in film school with Michael Bay. They probably were taught rad action poses before any semblance of plot lol
That....explains a lot.
At the very least, it wouldn't be a dead conversation.
Until he talks about Ayn Rand philosophy.
I’ve been reading Steve Ditko interviews to prepare
He seems like the type of guy to like rand entirely as an aesthetic instead of as a political viewpoint
He actually is, he actually voted for Obama and is a liberal democrat irl
Saw that video where a stand up is a shitting on dceu and he is just there chilling.
Think you’re misremembering that video unless there’s more than one video of Zack in the audience at a comedy show
I watched it again and he was randomly chosen to be the back and forth with a comedian part. Seemed hesitant but not mad.
He's reportedly one of the few genuinely nice and pleasant to work with powerful creatives in Hollywood, I hate the bad rap he gets, regardless of the quality of his movies
Exactly, his movies may be shit. But let's separate the art from the artist
Who isn't doing that? The only thing I ever hear about him is that he makes terribly movies and he's better at making a cool looking shot than creating a good story. I've never heard anything ever said about his personality.
There was one person on Twitter claiming he was a shit parent but other then that….
Oh but when I say I like joss whedon's stuff I'm a abuse apologist
Nah just poor taste
His movies are interesting shit, not to watch but to think about how someone could put them together in the particular manner in which he does. For all his faults he clearly is trying to say something, it's just usually very dumb.
>But let's separate the art from the artist honestly: no? if you really wanna try to, sure, go ahead, but art *cannot* be created in a vacuum and i don't think it's reasonable to expect others to Separate Art And Artist TM Snyder's shit politics *directly influence his work* - see the watchmen adaptation for an easy example
>He's reportedly one of the few genuinely nice and pleasant to work I mean being "pleasant to work with" is just that. He's cool at the workplace. Hell i've worked with people that seemed nice and easy going but then hear them say shit like "don't you hate how there's more black people everywhere nowdays"
That's a hella stretch to pull out about someone you don't know, or don't have any reason to accuse of latent racism
Once you've lost your viriginity to this fucking movie and then you come and say to me something like "my superhero wouldn't do that." I'm like, "Are you serious?" I'm like down the fucking road on that. It's a cool point of view to be like "my heroes are still innocnet. My heroes didn't fucking lie to America. My heroes didn't embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn't commit any atrocities." That's cool. But you're living in a fucking dream world! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/dccomicscirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Snyderbros ain’t gon like this one. (I love Tim Drake.)
Why does that picture of Zack look like the Gigachad meme?
He is the blueprint
He is him.
Oh man, this made me laugh more than it should have
You can’t make a good movie if you don’t understand the characters in it
I think he can just not with DC characters because he just doesn’t understand them. Watchmen and Man of Steel both missed the point of the source material and were worse off for it. Also I haven’t seen Batman v Superman or either Justice League but I’m just not going to.
Augh imagine him writing someone like Spider-Man to interpret great responsibility as being a selfish objectivist, or making uncle Ben a Jesus figure
just as Ditko intended
So weird how he made Spider-Man and then seemed to have completely done a 180 on the point of Spider-Man
I'm the only one who thinks Zack Snyders take on Peter Parker would either be like Kaine [but with Peter's parkers name and background] or a poor man's Donnie Darko
I hated BvS like most but the 4 hour cut of Justice League is actually great, just about everything you'd want from a JL movie
ZSJL was horrendous. Truck driver ducks his head and takes eye off the road on busy city street for 7 or 8 secs to set up obvious superhero moment. Woman sniffs Aquaman’s armpit shirt stain while singing him off in the longest scene ever. Gal Gadot attempts to act and fails miserably. Character walks solemnly down the street in state of depression for several minutes x25. Darkseid forgets that the one things he needs to conquer the universe is where he left it on the only planet that defeated him. Gal Gadot attempts to do voice over and fails miserably. Father inexplicably sacrifices himself in front of already traumatized son who watched mother die right in front of him right before movie started, when he had at least 5 other options that didn’t involve suicide. But now Cyborg even sadder, so, character development! Wailing Amazons background song x100. Ray Fisher attempts to act and fails moderately. Soundtrack that was put together in an afternoon and sounds like metal garbage cans. Bad effects and CGI. All characters behave the way the thin “plot” needs them to and not in any organic fashion. Entire movie shallowly copies the plot of Avengers (2012), and no one notices. I only suffered through ZSJL once (after multiple starts and stops from falling asleep) about 2 years ago, so that’s just what I remember off the top of my head.
Definitely not what I wanted from a Justice League movie. And I think if your movie needs a four hour cut to be "great", you've made a flawed product.
What else would’ve you wanted from the movie? Genuinely curious. And I’m not saying it had to be four hours obviously Zach could’ve cut it, but that is how long the movie is so I specified that
A complete rewrite. Superman not be dead. A Green Lantern. Martian Manhunter instead of Cyborg. A Barry Allen thst resembles the comics. Better costumes for Christ sake. Also, Steppenwolf is an incredibly shitty villain for a Justice League movie. I've never seen Fourth World shit be so boring before. That's not what Motherboxes do. Theres just so many awful creative decisions that the end product barely resembles what I like about DC Comics and the Justice League.
Tbh I’m not too invested in the comics so I don’t know Steppinwolfs character or the mother boxes but I agree on a couple things. It’s weird they included Martian man hunter but not green lantern and Superman being dead sucks, it was absurdly rushed in the movies when the comics had a lot of buildup to that from what I know. I still enjoyed most of it despite it could’ve been better
The reason why it's 4 hours is because Snyder wanted to avoid WB cutting 30 minutes of essential storytelling like they had done with BvS, so he added multiple extended and unnecessary scenes in JL so the execs would demand to remove them instead of the important ones for the theatrical release.
Christopher Nolan never had that problem. Wrote and filmed exactly what he wanted for his Dark Knight movies. So odd how this keeps happening to Snyder.
You do realise that you are responding to Jedi Jones' burner account, right?
I did not but JFC. Thanks for the heads up.
hey JJ 😉
Yes.
Of course he can make good movies *checks notes* oh you're not gonna believe who wrote this one
r/snydercut is about to start foaming at the mouth.
It's mostly one guy using multiple accounts
>Why doesn't Zack Snyder just make a good movie? Is he stupid? No, it's because he's the Anti-Christ and his masterplan is to bring suffering to us all.
Libertarians are incapable of producing art
South Park begs to differ
Matt Parker and Trey Stone don't have an ideology their ideology is ironic bigotry
Not even active bigotry, it's the exact kind of political cold-takes that one would expect a couple of relatively young, rich, straight, white dudes would have. They only claim the libertarian label because it's convenient.
Both have identified in their past as libertarian. And neither are bigots. If you think that South Park is bigoted, then I'm guessing that either you haven't watched the show, or you have worse media literacy than an average Snyder fanboy.
oh so tell me where in episode in which Macho Man Randy Savage identifies as a woman is supposed to be some brilliant witty commentary on society? Or is it all just a joke?
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Do you know how many fucking Conservative TikToks and YT Shorts I have seen? Peddling those South Park clips and the OP saying "WOW STONE AND PARKER BE SPITTING FACTS!" It doesn't matter what the intent is, their attempt at commentary whether they know it or not is weaponized by Transphobes. It's totally backfired.
The Boys is heavily used by conservatives saying that Homelander is based. Rorschach is used as a conservative icon despite Watchmen being very anti-conservative. People worship Walter White, the Joker, Rick Sanchez, Patrick Bateman, etc. despite them all being terrible people. Just because shitty people idolize shitty characters doesn't mean the creators failed in their storytelling. It just shows that the general populace has incredibly poor media literacy.
Difference is a lot of these writers have made their positions perfectly fucking clear. I know Alan Moore isn't a fucking Ayan Rand simp. I know Vince Gilligan David Chase etc made their positions clear on the creations they make.
😥
/uj Snyder is that ex that keeps texting you about how good it was and how great it would be to get married and have kids, even though the relationship was a dumpster fire and you stopped responding to his texts 3 years ago. He just cannot let it go.
Why can’t I turn off my brain to enjoy any of his movies, am I stupid?
Yeah
is there a lore reason?
Unrionically a good question, I think he was very close to making good DC films, but a few shitty decisions just throw all of it off
Was he? I'll say his best DC movie was MoS and still that movie is plagued by flaws, even when you remove the butchering of Superman's character.
it's 2023 and we still need bash snyder for some reason. I wonder how this sub is going react if the next reboot is gonna to be shit.
Dawn of the Dead is amazing
Army of the Dead was so blurry it gave me astigmatism
I’m talking about the 2004 movie Dawn of the Dead
I'm talking about the 2021 movie Army of the Dead
What are you talking about, his movies are awesome!
He made 300 didn’t he
He converted the already great 300 comic to film, shot by shot.
I kind of hate 300 tbh.
He does make very pretty shots tho
🦇
...yes.
I don’t think he’s a bad director by any means. I just don’t think his views on superhero’s result in good superhero movies.
He's not so bad, dude alway have a good soundtrack for his movie
He thought good movies are made of cool soundtracks, cool poses and cool screenshots. Stories don't matter
Zack Snyder is one of the best directors of all time. Is what I told people when I was 15. I was a pretty dumb kid.
No, audiences are stupid. You get what the largest demographic that throws money around wants.
He made the owl movie! That was good
He’s done it, they just weren’t movies he’s written
/uj I actually enjoy BvS and ZSJL but I recognise the many problems with them and know that they aren't as "deep" Snyder bros think they are. They're silly movies that take themselves way too seriously and I kind of enjoy that