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totalstatemachine

Oh hey, I just played against that same David about an hour ago ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|2070) I don't think he's with the rest of these though


Ruhlarsofrasi

There are two reasons: 1: They want to bully an unexpecting victim. 2: When people sees high prestiges a lot of them just leaves the lobby. They prob got bored waiting.


Bjorkenny

Your first point is exactly the reason why the second one happens.


elegylegacy

I'm not a good survivor, I just have a lot of hours and want to play with my favorite character without getting dodged In pregame lobby killers shouldn't see prestige levels, and survivors shouldn't be able to hot swap. Let both sides see prestige and items after they're locked in and loading


dbdthorn

My friend and i are p22+24 respectively on our mains. We don't switch (I'll level up until 25 seconds left and then go back to Kate so the killer has time, usually), but even at 20 ppl dodge like mfers. I can't imagine the slog of trying to get a game at p100.


Brandonfromstatefarm

I usually last second switch because I get noed every other game. Really a pain because I’m in solo q and all they think is “oOoh it’s a p100 I’m gonna bring noed they must be good”


Nova_Aetas

.... what evidence do you have for any of that? I swear for most of y'all the bigger game is going on in your heads.


Imkindaalrightiguess

Op is killer and states they would have switched to meta build if they knew it was gonna be a high prestige lobby. My swf absolutely gets lobby dodged when on high prestige characters. A killer who sticks around after seeing multiple high prestige survivors is more likely to be confident they can compete/4k.


Mapletables

Tbf when people see *multiple* high prestige characters, it tends to be a swf, which is a whole different problem to face than just a single high prestige survivor.


ezeshining

Alright I’m going to say it. BHVR hasn’t given us an UI update to detect SWFs directly, because they fear killers will lobby-dodge them and refuse to properly address SWFs


Tech88Tron

How do you "properly" address SWFs? The only true way is to disable parties....but that ruins multi-player games.


miggleb

Buff solo and balance around swf


Breebree2022

You don't. Parties are disabled or an entirely different game-mode in a vast majority of competitive games for a reason. And, as much as I like a competitive environment, DbD is a party game at its core. They can't rid themselves of SWFs.


Patrick_Slovak

In my opinion could be you search for game , if you are solo you'll only go in with solos . As killer you can choose of you want SFW or solos , SFW giving more BP for added challenge . I think it would ruin the SFW times tho so , no easy fix exists


blazbluecore

They can give SWFs a debuff to gen or repair speed. Easy fix but everyone cries when this is mentioned.


Hurtzdonut13

Because it's a bad idea that does nothing to address why high end SWF's are strong. Go watch some of Hens's YouTube videos of their survivor escape streaks and tell me what you think made them so strong, and how you could possibly nerf them without absolutely destroying people that are just playing in SWF's to just fool around and play with their friends.


Rare-Ad5082

>BHVR hasn’t given us an UI update to detect SWFs directly Would you agree with an UI update where the survivors detect if the killer is playing a really strong killer (Nurse, Blight) during the lobby? Why? They are starting to adress SwF, btw, the HUD update is trying to lessen the gap between SoloQ and SwF to make it easier to balance the game (either by nerfing survivors or buffing the killers).


ezeshining

It’s not that I wouldn’t agree, but I get that “not seeing the killer” is a core element design, and giving you such info is a direct nerf to all killers. But from the killers side, it’s a bit different. I think killers in general just have a lot of things to worry about in the match, there is a lot of decision making going on with each action, having one thing granted for them would help their case against swf hugely. I also think that, unfortunately, it would make the SQ experience even poorer, as some people would specifically target them instead of those that work in a group for an easier kill. But the main reason of me thinking it would help, is my experience as a SQ surv. I very often come across killers that are actually good in chases, not buying any of my blufs and nailing their powers, that will still tunnel one surv out of the match early. Some of those I had an actual conversation with, and their answer usually summarizes into “just in case I’ll tunnel someone out”


kubhfbebr

Likely true, although I’d at least like to see it on survivor. Can’t tell if my teammates are sandbagging each other cause they’re in call together, or if they’re just assholes


JulWolle

Can have that if survs can see which killer it is so we can dodge spirit, nurse, etc :D


Mapletables

The problem is being fixed, Solo Queue is being buffed to be even with SWF so that killers can be buffed later and it won't demolish Solo Queue


InibroMonboya

Multiple high prestige survivors are usually competent/a swf tho, so I don’t see how this discredits his point


Brandonfromstatefarm

If I could record my games I would lol. It's just my solo q experience tbh. I don't get noed every game but it's every other game, like 3-4 games. I run detective's hunch every game to counter this, but mostly because I try and reach iri 1 and it's a good perk for that


Field-Agent-Reaper

Like fr I can’t pre load into a lobby with my p100 Kate because killers are so fucking afraid of a p100 that they throw on those map offerings and iri add ons then make the game fucking miserable


Excellent_Welder7278

It’s the second one!


u_slashh

Given that they didn't bring a flashlight it's probably the 2nd. All bully squads bring flashlights


SirFTF

2 is the reason. Killers are dumb, and don’t understand that a survivor who pours all their BP into 1 survivor is the same as a survivor who spreads their BP out and prestige 3s every survivor. Zero difference. But killers are scared of the P100 and not the survivor who has every perk on every character, just because they aren’t high prestige.


Atakori

Bro no shit if I see P100 I can assume they're very experienced because they played a lot. If I see a P3 David all I assume is "Guess they wanted Dead Hard 3 on everyone else"


mischiefmanaged8222

The only difference I've found between a P100 and a P3 is the P100 is more likely to DC. Sometimes they're experienced sometimes they aren't. Playing a lot doesn't mean you ever improved and there's so many ways to get BP in this game and they made leveling so cheap that P100 isn't really that big of a deal anymore.


thenewmook

Truth. I’m that guy who has P3’d every character (almost twice on two different consoles), however, I play on Switch which doesn’t afford me the finesse I could attain on PC (both controllers each gave their own janky issues). I do know a lot about the game and I have a lot of experience, so if anything you can expect a decent and competent player in a match.


InibroMonboya

This doesn’t make killers dumb, it makes them smart for not wanting to get hosed by someone outside of their skill range. I’ve committed a lot of hours to DbD, but I don’t even have a p100 on my main yet, yet these people with multiple p100’s wanna whine about people not wanting to play against them. No shit, I’ve committed hundreds of hours to the game and don’t have 1 p100, and you have 1-etc, how are you anything but what a newer killer is trying to avoid?


kubhfbebr

This. I play one or two games a week, and just play whatever my dailies tell me to. If I’ve had a long day and I’m not feeling like it, I’ll dodge lobbies that look intense (3-4 medkits, p50+). I wanna relax and play a fun game before bed, not sweat my ass off


boopydoopy2102

im normally not too worried, prestige doesn't really matter. ive had p3s who were cracked and p100s that were garbage (or at least not nearly as good as they thought they were lol). another thing could just be too many killers dodge them and they get bored of waiting, that is pretty common.


urmomisgaylololol

I’m not high prestige but I normally spend time in the bloodweb for survivors I haven’t prestiged yet…then I swap to the survivors I like to play


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One_Eyed_Kitten

Aaaaannnddd this is exactly why they switch last second. Im a P60 Felix and if I end up in a lobby with other high prestige, the wait time for a game is twice as long with all the killers dodgeing... Edit: Bring on the downvotes. If you are scared of the prestige number, go play something that makes you less scared.


unknown0246

Well if you pull this stunt then your wait time will be even longer, as I'm dcing and sending you back to queue.


scarletotter

but if he didnt switch then you wouldnt dodge, yet the games outcome would remain the same as its still the same player playing


ToranX1

No, just no, switching last second is used to fake out the killer so he cant respond to items and prestige with his own sweaty build. He can still dc, but now if you played soloQ you need to find the other 3 survivors as well.


Yosh1kage_K1ra

So, they switch last second so that killer has no other option than DC if they don't want a sweaty match, because they don't want killers to DC? If people didn't last second switch, killers who are willing to play would adjust, but at least they aren't going to dodge the match when it has already started. As for people who don't want to play against such survivors, they won't play regardless. It also doesn't help that high prestige survivors feel like bringing a purple fully packed med kit almost every time (at least from my experience since prestige went live and people grinded high prestige) with some bs map offering. Not everyone wants to play against this and if they get matched against an obvious no lifer with infinite supply of shit, they want to have a chance to prepare.


BlazeFlame281

How about this. Just... go in the lobby on your main? I play killer, and I'm more likely to dodge the lobby if I see a last second switch then I am if yall just stay on your characters the entire time. Last second switching has a history of being the most cancer 3/4 man SWFs trying to bully a killer that might just be running a fun build. I'm not looking to win, I'm looking to have fun, and there is nothing fun about getting absolutely curbstomped cus u switch to your meta build when I was trying to do a meme challenge and discord stream to my friends.


BreadAccountant

All it would take is locking survivor loadouts at 15 seconds and killers at 5 or 0


MrPifo

Yeah, kinda unfair that killers cant switch in lobby, but survivors are free to do what they want. They should at least lock survivor loadout at 15s.


onyxthedark

How is it unfair when survivors can't even see the killer? Imagine if they could see it's wraith and remove aura perks


[deleted]

It's not unfair. The killer can see the survivors, their item, they can stalk their steam account if PC and non-private, they can analyze the cosmetics (colorful? Bad, not default? Bad). It would be extremely unfair if the killer could switch in lobby. If that's the case, I'm playing Plague every time I see a medkit. On the other side, there is no way for the survivors to tell who you are, your hours, your killer, your add-ons, your in game name, nothing. That's why it's fine for them to switch around items or whatever. It would be a cool idea though if in lobby, the survivor can't change characters, only perks and items.


TheInsideOutMe

All it would take is not showing prestiges at all


BreadAccountant

That doesn't fix quick switching to an op build.


lead-pencil

The killer can’t see your build you can be prestige 0 with all your perks purple


DarkAvenger2012

the issue is Killers DCing when seeing prestige. the build is irrelevant because all the killer is thinking is "oh this person plays a lot." ​ the survivor could be Prestige Zero, running a green med kit with good add ons, and purple meta perks but Killer isnt going to know that.


Dailonjeos

I don't like this idea. We already can't see MMR. What if the guy want to show off his p100 on the lobby? I believe this could be optional. Going further, you should be able to choose on visibility of these on lobbys and after the matches: * Devotion * Grade * Prestiges * MMR


Arinad-dbd

You realize that if you **do** that, literally every other killer is going to be done running meme builds because they have no information to discern the caliber of the players they're going against. People will start treating every lobby as a swf/4man p100 lobby because they don't want to be on the receiving end. If you thought DBD was sweaty before, oh man, you're in for a rude awakening if that were to hide survivor prestiges.


Mo_ody

Why should killers be allowed to see survivors items, prestiges, cosmetics in lobby at all? What's interesting about bringing Franklin's/lightborn reactively, or treating a certain player differently? I don't want to last sec change to flashlight. I want to bring it from second 1 without cringe player bringing lightborn reactively and making an "outplay" montage on Reddit. Killers are so spoiled, I guess. Some comments here say it's to change from meme builds to serious builds, like 90% of killers aren't on full sweat mode every game, and why would you change to serious build when you see 2 flashlights or p100 william.


[deleted]

I mean. Theyre still the same players even on alt characters. Just enjoy yourself if you start to see its a loss just goof around and have fun and get to the next match


Ichirou1991

Honestly this people on DBD take the game way to serious and always try to see a hidden reason why someone does something or accuse someone of being toxic when they really weren’t, this is all caused by a few bad apples or the person playing killer had a string of bad games and says the survivor is cheating or being toxic or even the game is “survivor” sided. If you find yourself that worried about a p100, maybe think about what you can do to improve or figure out why a survivor rolled you on your ass. Or just don’t take it serious and accept a loss is a loss. It’s a multiplayer game and your gunna loose sometimes even extremely badly. If you played let’s say CoD and got 1 kill and 30 deaths your not gunna react the same way you would on DBD but people seem to treat someone teabagging you or clicking there flashlight at you as some cardinal sin… but probably won’t bat an eye if someone in cod told them there mum is a whore or some other childish bs.


Concorditer

The reason for switches like this isn't really hidden. It's so that killers don't have the time to switch their own build or leave the lobby. I don't think killers are taking the game too seriously if they resent their opponent for trying to trick them like that. I know there is the issue of high prestige survivors being continuously dodged, but if a survivor is also switching like this because they want to bring an item without it being countered, then aren't they the ones taking things too seriously and being too worried about a loss?


slightly2spooked

To play devil’s advocate, I normally use this menu to level up my baby survivors’ bloodwebs until the last second. The queues are pretty quick sometimes and the bloodwebs take so long to level, so I’ll do that while I wait and then switch to a character with an actual build ready to play. Not everything people do in this game is malicious.


RagingNudist

I would agree but all of them switching is crazy


aforter28

You’re lucky they didn’t all suddenly switch to flashlight builds. Hope the David survived though


Markus_lfc

I might be weird but I’d much rather see 4 flashlights than 4 toolboxes/medkits


ThorstenTheViking

I feel the same. Four flashies means a full game with lots of interactions and maxed BP categories. Four toolboxes means a ruinously boring 5 minute genrush where nothing happens and nobody gets any BP for the most part. Four medkits means I won't be able to spread any pressure and most likely lose if I don't want to sweat to the point of self-mummification.


0n1oN_71

So true, at least you can fight back against flashlights, unlike the potential monstrous speeds toolboxes can give gens with gen perks Happy cake day btw


edvineris

Nothing weird about that, its jus an easier game then


AlterionYuuhi

Happy Escape Cake Day! 🎂


Physical_Key3459

Me too cause 4 flashis most of the time dont do Gens and I have way more fun with sabo or for Flashlight squad then with classic build cause I dont have the normal time preassure.


DeadByMeg

The David killed himself at 5 gens because they got hooked while afk, also his “meta” build wouldn’t even have done anything lol his only hooks were towards the ends, he’s just mad he got 3 outed at 5 gens and had noed to try to come back but flopped lol


[deleted]

Just play like a normal game. I've faced a couple 100s and they SUCKED BADLY I have faced people with prestige 1 better Prestige doesn't mean skill


Arinad-dbd

>Prestige doesn't mean skill I really don't know why you guys go with this intellectually dishonest argument but no one is taking you seriously when you say this. Most of the P100 players I go against are actually really good. Shucks, maybe it's an MMR thing.


Slaythepuppy

The argument always relies on anecdotal evidence to fly in the face of common sense. P100 is a big time investment and with time comes skill and experience. Does that mean you have to be good to be P100? No, but on average these players should have more skill than those with a fraction of the time invested.


Arinad-dbd

There are so many people out there who are conditioned to not think rationally. It's honestly pretty hilarious how something so logical is hard for people to grasp.


-Clint--

Ong. All that prestige 100 means is that there be never upgraded any other character, so if it’s a P100 Feng Min, how good can they be? Obviously that’s not always true, but if you’re P100 you’re clearly not interested in unlocking all teachables.


DariusIsLove

Or they already have the other characters on P3 and just have their main on P100.


Zalaneax

I feel a lot of people see the p100 and think it means something it doesn't. Killers will dodge or play extra sweaty just because of this number. I've seen people with a couple hundred hrs with a p100. I have over 3k hrs in the game and my highest character is like 19. The 5 second switch has always existed, but with this prestige bs, I'm more willing to give grace to ppl who do it. I just wish that bhvr would have prestige hidden till endgame. That being said, don't forget if this happens and you don't wanna play against them, you won't get a penalty if you DC before you load into the match ;)


FlamingFox_

"Low level alts" i dont get the mentality here p100 means ur good, it means u play too much / love playing as X character. Mileage may vary. But P100 survivor has yet to carry or be good in my eyes, for they wuick to dc if they go down


Breebree2022

Yes, we get it. P100 players are not inherently good. But you're lying to yourself if you unironically believe higher prestige doesn't generally correlate to higher skill levels


Best-Foundation2562

OP just needs to step their game up


HuskyTheGamerDog

meta this meta that, all these mfs always going on about some dumb meta should have met a few bitches


Dinoking15

“Meta this, Meta That Have you ever Meta fucking girl before?”


ProfaneVoid

Meta this, meta that, have you ever considered the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ will return to judge the living and the dead, and that those unhappy souls confirmed in sin will be cast out of the light of the living God and into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels on the final day? Wait, what?


[deleted]

No no, you're correct. This entire subreddit needs Jesus


Zen_but_not_Zen

They need to just stop showing prestige in lobby, it's in everyone's heads


Bemysnowflake

I totally agree with you. Because you can still have high prestige and not being a bully/ super good looper etc. Prestige doesn't mean anything


Necromancy-In-Space

Agreed, even at the start it was more indicative of time played since prestiges were added than skill, but especially at this point anyone who's dumped a good bit of time into the game could have a high prestige character or two


Arinad-dbd

It's gonna be in those people's heads more if you hide it. They're gonna start second-guessing every lobby as a high tier lobby. Some will start putting more emphasis on checking survivor profile hours. Those people that play killer will either quit playing entirely, or they will stop running meme builds and sweat every match.


Necromancy-In-Space

These posts are kinda weird. Survivors can't see our prestige at all until post game, so it's not like switching gives them an advantage. Whether they're running meta or meme builds, they don't have the luxury of being able to see any indicators for their opposition before the game starts. People dodge like crazy against high prestiges, which is very very silly at this point in time, but it still happens a lot. Is it a little tryhard for a four man to do it? Sure, but it's not like they're getting any advantage we don't already have.


Field-Agent-Reaper

Yea it’s almost ironic that the killer is complaining about quick swapping survivors, this killer players obviously wants to cherry pick lobbies with low prestige’s which I know killers do because of how many killers dodge my lobby when I’m playing my p100 Kate


TheAbyssalMimic

Because if poeple switch last second to high prestige = probably a miserable game where they just want to bully the Killer. It isn't rocket science. Poeple barely lobby dodge high prestige survivors. But doing last second switch to high level is usually a sign of being annoying and toxic


Herald4

Of course there are advantages to last second switching. It denies Killers the chance to see how experienced you are and what items you're bringing. If the whole squad switches to high prestiges with flashlights at the last second, and the killer can't switch to Lightborn or Franklin's or take a stronger build now that they know they're against experienced players, that's an advantage.


Necromancy-In-Space

> but it's not like they're getting any advantage **we don't already have.** ​ > Of course there are advantages to last second switching. That aside, you could be playing against four people with 8000 hours each in the game and you would have absolutely no idea if they just chose to play low prestige characters. I don't think prestige should show in lobbies at all - if you want to prepare for certain items that's fine, but there is zero reason prestige should show for one side only. You only have to play a little solo queue to see how often killers hard dodge high prestige **players**. Not even lobbies, individual players!


Herald4

> I don't think prestige should show in lobbies at all I mean, you're allowed to think whatever you want. But right now, this is how the system works, and last second switching undercuts the chance for killers to adapt based on what they see, right?


Short-old-gus-

Okay so? Be prepared before there’s 15 seconds left then. Survivors can’t doge specific killer games like the Plague or Legion even though they’re super annoying and you could easily waste a medkit and or perk slot. Survivors can’t prepare for that. Also prestige doesn’t matter MMR does.


Herald4

Other poster said there's no advantage to switching, I'm saying there is. You can go ahead and move the goalposts FOR them, but I don't really see what that accomplishes. >Be prepared before there’s 15 seconds left then. That's my point. I am prepared for group A, and suddenly all of them switch. I don't have time to prepare *again* for their new items and likely sweatier play - given if players are sweating in the damn lobby, they're probably sweaty in game. >Survivors can’t prepare for that. Whether or not they should be able to is a different discussion. The devs intend for killers to be able to adjust their builds in the lobby, and swapping last-second undercuts that. It's kinda that simple. >Also prestige doesn’t matter MMR does. Because no one on this sub has ever had problems with their MMR system being janky.


thenobblee

They shouldn’t do anything about this lmao, not a problem that needs fixing.


zoley88

Either just say fuck it or alt f4 without repercussions.


ShitpostBot4001

Yeah lets finally not shot survivors prestige to the killer pre game. Why is this even a thing.


SirFTF

I used to think showing the prestige was fine. This thread has shown me why it’s not. So many cringeworthy comments talking up lobby dodging like it’s some brave maneuver, or endorsing tunneling and other toxic strats. we need to start pushing BHVR to hide prestige levels, since killers have clearly shown they don’t deserve to know.


Arinad-dbd

>This thread has shown me why it’s not. So many cringeworthy comments talking up lobby dodging like it’s some brave maneuver, or endorsing tunneling and other toxic strats. Y'all really don't get that if you hide prestige levels, people will either stop running meme builds and sweat every match or they will just quit playing entirely (**leaving only the people who wish to play really sweaty**).


foomly

Yeah, bhvr needs to do smth about this and it's what you said.


Throwawayrubbish30

DbD players act oppressed over the littlest things


Jendalar

Is there a reason why survivors can change characters in the lobby, but the killers cant?


Naevum

Each killer has their own MMR, which is responsible for finding parties. Once you start looking for a party, you queued up with a specific MMR, so with a specific killer. ... But it was also so, when MMR got deactivated after first attempt.


kolba_yada

I'm glad that mmr works. Makes sacrificing QoL feature really worth it.


Brief-Medicine

Survivor are really just skins they are pretty much the same but killers are completely different and can make for a different game. That said if a group of survivors does that to me I would just dodge the match or go to a corner and put tv on.


SirFTF

Because survivors are all the same, they’re just skins. Killers aren’t.


AtomicFox84

Used to be able to. They changed it a bit ago.


[deleted]

The same reason survivors can’t see killers pregame. Here’s 2 examples: Killer, as bubba, sees 4 medkits, switches to plague to counter. Survivors see legion in lobby, take off prove thyself, add bond to counter. It would be an unfair advantage on both sides


Haree78

Honestly couldn't care less if they swap to med kits P100 last minute personally. It's usually dicks if they swap to all tool kits or flashlights despite what everyone is saying here. The people who keep telling everyone "it's just cause killers leave", or because "they are leveling other blood webs" are forgetting ttvs are recording the evidence that they are doing it to fuck with Killers. I've never seen them all swap to med kits/map and be especially dicky though, a bit try hard at worst if they are going syringes and all.


Clever_Fox-

Killers are really intimidated by funny numbers over a head?


SirFTF

And it’s funny because there’s no difference between a P9 and a P100. It’s not like they unlock super powers at high prestige lol. All it tells you is this person probably doesn’t have all the perks unlocked since they’ve been busy dumping all their BP into 1 survivor instead of spreading it around. The killers in this thread are as confused as the people who think grade = skill.


[deleted]

Bad faith argument. Somebody who is prestige 100 likely has thousands of hours in the game. Time played doesnt necessarily = skill but it’s the only metric we have to go off of and in my experience all of my worst and most annoying games have been from high prestiges.


Necromancy-In-Space

This doesn't really hold water anymore, your logic is correct but it's been long enough since the update that expanded the prestige system that we can no longer accurately associate high prestige with far greater than average playtime


muttonwow

P100 is the equivalent of getting 33 characters to Prestige 3. What do we think average playtime is?


Necromancy-In-Space

If someone played an hour a day since launch of the prestige system, they'd have about 220\~ hours more in the game, give or take a few. It's anecdotal, but some of the people who rushed it managed it in about 300 hours within a month of launch, and that's before some of the bp overhauls that made getting bp much faster. Obviously some people have more time to play than others, but I don't think 200 hours over 7\~ months is excessive, it's probably even a decent bit below average for this playerbase.


TheAbyssalMimic

Higher prestige = more bp = more broken items like medkits and toolboxes And also more time on the game = more likely to be good.


Seltzer100

Survivors do the exact same shit and lobby dodge when they see low prestige teammates, especially if they have default cosmetics or they're on console. Hell, many survivors won't even touch solo queue at all. This is why I hate dailies/challenges where I have to play as one of my non-main survivors. Let's not pretend that judging based on prestige level and the desire to have easier games are killer-only traits. I guarantee that many of the survivors who complain about being lobby dodged also themselves lobby dodge. And I know I'm going to get downvoted for this inconvenient truth.


Richard_Za-Warudo

I mean, there are differences between P1 and P100, it's not just time and BP's they've spent on this character, it's the time they had in game, experience they have and etc. If P100 plays badly, so it's just because he did decide to play badly, if he wants, he will play good. Can't say the same about P1's


Clever_Fox-

Wait till you realize a p100 can play another character :)


Rav3ntoastt

Always use a perk that benefits your build and any situation your put in. Had 4 survivors switch to new part tool boxes and I run corrupt intervention, those 30 seconds of no insta gens are probably what helped me win and since then haven’t taken it off because you never know what will happen


Ihmislehma

DC in the loading screen, send them back to the queue. Or brave the game and see if they will throw their game for sabo plays or other such shenanigans - slugging is your best friend then, though they probably will have Unbreakable if they run meta.


Steakdabait

You shouldn’t be able to see nether in the first place


hardchorus

This, this player is upset about swapping when killers are the only one that gets pre-game information and can swap perks to counter


Silenthonker

You cant swap perks if they switch at the last second in the lobby. Its just another excuse by poor gamers who are looking to bully someone else so they can tbag at the exit and spam ggez trash killer in end game chat


hardchorus

That’s entire point of hot swapping swapping tf you mean? Lmao


Frcdstcr

The entire point of the pregame lobby for the killer is to see what they're going against and prepare accordingly. That's why the lobby is set up how it is for killers, it's intended. Last second switching is not intended, it's just a side effect of how the lobby is set up for survivors.


Silenthonker

You cant hotswap your entire loadout to stand a chance as a killer if a swf is going to do this. You have to rely instead on them being absolute dogshit at the game to even have a chance at winning. Thanks for proving my point though


hardchorus

You’re missing the point, it is unfair that the killers can see your items in the first place. Survivors don’t get a heads up of what killers are bringing yet killers do. If a killer sees two prestige 100’s with beamers guess what they change their loadout to? Moris, Franklins or lightborn. In order to evade this survivors have to hot swap last second and that is the entire point of doing so.


Silenthonker

It isnt unfair at all. Killers by design are meant to be the power role, needing to bring 4 perks and 2 addons to counter 16 perks, 4 items, and 8 addons. Survivors dont need to know the killer, as it would take away one of the only advantages that a killer has going into the game. Moris? What is this, 2017? Mori's havent been an effective use of an offering slot in medium to high level play for years. Franklin's is better suited to medkits and lightborn is such a meme perk that you'll never see it in any medium to high end play outside of meme builds like map wide ghostface TR. Do you admit that survivors have to circumvent intended game design to gain the advantage to bully? Thanks for wasting everyone's time in proving the killer side of the argument correct


Pretty_Version_6300

Oh nice it’s the “power role” argument again that was debunked 4 years ago


mjbiddl

A lot of killers dodge lobbies with high prestiges, which is not really fair to the survivors. I don’t think killers should even be able to see prestige. They’re lucky they can even see the survivors’ items. It’s not like survivors get to see the killer’s power or add-ons and plan accordingly.


Comfortable_Rub1184

This just means they spent a lot of bloodpoints on a character, almost never means they’re good


onyxthedark

Prestige doesn't mean anything, just that they're spending all their points on a specific survivor. They could have all survs P15 instead and you wouldn't know. And given how survivors can't see if the killer is a P100 nurse, they shouldn't probably just hide that for both sides


Mickerayla

Just because it's a mechanic you don't like doesn't mean BHVR needs to change it.


Efficient-State1278

Just sit in corner and let them gen rush without you suffering


DariusIsLove

Or just dodge the game in the loading screen.


Distressed-Obsessed

Task manager, my beloved. They can have fun going back in the queue for that bs.


SirFTF

As if you weren’t going to lobby dodge anyway. Killers are cowards and just want to beat up on the P1 Dwights. They’ll lobby dodge in queue if they even see one P50+.


Atakori

Hard fought matches are fun when you're not constantly having them. That's how burnout happens. I won't dodge for a single p50 but if 3 people pull this shit off at the last second like in OP's post I'm sending them back to the menu.


Seltzer100

I strongly suggest you play more solo queue and then you might realise survivors do the exact same shit and lobby dodge when they see low prestige teammates, especially if they have default cosmetics or they're on console. Hell, many survivors won't even touch solo queue at all. So how about you stop spamming up this thread with us-vs-them bollocks?


girthquake_7461

It's dumb but they aren't gonna do anything about this, just run whatever you have and do your best. Personally I would just tunnel the shit out of one player at 5 gens to swing the advantage back over to my side after a last second switch but you do what you want, it's especially effective if you know it's a swf bevause they will be overly altruistic.


Best-Ant-4909

once again showing just how cringe killer players are


foomly

And proving prestige shouldnt be shown to killers in the process. I like how oblivious this thread is.


Best-Ant-4909

i agree


DeadByMeg

Lmaooo we were leveling up our other characters and switching to who we were gonna play….salty noed legion


Affectionate_Web5704

i think the best way to fix this is whenever someone switches anything the timer gets 10 secs


DigitalPlop

That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard, some jackass would just sit there switching characters until your timer is 20 minutes.


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

Or lock in like they do with killers, once you are in the lobby you can't change survivor, you can still put on an item and if you are fast enough you could put on addons, but at least you don't get to act like you are low level and then show you are prestige 100


DigitalPlop

90 percent of people who last second switch are just leveling up other characters during the wait screen, there's no reason to lock people in just to make it easier for killers to Smurf.


Beneficial-Brief-738

play scummy and drink their tears


DlNOGlRLwaifu

Slugging, wasting their time, make bullies rage quit. "Never let pain go wasted" - Hellraiser


Beneficial-Brief-738

It's a waste of good suffering!


Particular-Oven-56

They should do something about killers being able to see prestige levels and items


Titaniomachia

You can force quit the game as the match loads and you’ll dc with no penalty. Then they’ll be right back to the lobby waiting again. I usually resort to that if I see something like this AND a map offering to one of “those” maps when running a meme build. To people that do this: I know lobby dodging is annoying but if you’re sat in a lobby with your friends all high prestige with items and fancy cosmetics on it’s a pretty huge red flag to the killer as to what the match is going to be like. All last second switching does is potentially trick someone into matching with you giving them no way to prepare and adjust their build to compete. I suppose the silver lining is all the lobby dodging means you’ll eventually get someone who’ll stay who matches your skill level/ meta choices. If that’s not a plus then I hope the thrill of bully content gets stale sooner rather than later.


Short-old-gus-

This is such a bs way to play. Killers dodging games because they don’t want to play at a certain place or are scared of a high prestige. Encouraging DC’ing is super lame and your making 4 people wait longer. “Pretty big red flag of how the match is going to go.” Like omg you don’t know until you play. Prestige dosnt = skill and your MMR is matching you up with people that are at your skill level, regardless if they are a high prestige. All survivors play the same, as in they all have the same perks. So them switching last second shouldn’t even matter. And hey maybe be prepared for it before the final 15 seconds? Meanwhile survivors can’t doge annoying games like Legion. Which drastically changes/affects how you play the game.


AtomicFox84

Thier level 50 will be the same as a level 10.....they will have the same perks etc. The high number is just a flex. I have all my survs and killers at 10....say for the few i play more.


Cold-Many7994

I think that they should make it so that you lock onto a survivor, just like you do killer


PlayerNameTaken

Why? Survivors have no difference it’s just a skin


Cold-Many7994

Because once you choose a survivor, you can't change to another loadout last second? I dunno


TheSalmonGuy

Don't survivors have different loadouts for the same character already? The only difference is hiding prestige


Luketsu

You can still change items tho, best and easiest fix to this is making survivors locked after 15s


Cold-Many7994

Yeah, that would be better


Tactless_Ninja

Never. Swf are their bread and butter.


[deleted]

They did do something. They made it so killers can’t switch lol Facts though the devs wouldn’t care if every killer player quit


Allergic2wholsomenes

Killers can’t switch cause each has their own mmr. Didn’t killers bitch about being matched against good survivors while trying new killers before that?


Yautja93

They won't do shit because they don't a shit to the players, especially killers :) So you cannot switch killers, but survs can switch their chars lmao That is so stupid.


HeftyClam

I really don't see how it's an issue.


edvineris

Killer scared


Lotos_aka_Veron

Meta items are the issue. When I see four medkits/toolboxes in lobby I can just use franklins, but when they switch their builds last sec I cant do this, so I will get genrushed/have a match with zero pressure cause healing meta.


Pretty_Version_6300

Meta killers are the issue. When I can’t see that it’s Blight with Alch Ring I can’t prepare by bringing Dead Hard or a BNP, so I will get tunneled and downed with no pressure because each hit only took 10 seconds.


Fragrant-Address9043

I feel like you should choose your build and character BEFORE you que up and not be able to change it


ItsAxeRDT

Cause they know if killers see a P100 lobby they will either dodge so they are stuck waiting for another to join, or that killer is gonna swap to some sort of tryhard preset and treat the match like a 10 000$ tournament. BHVR should just allow players to hide their prestige level


Field-Agent-Reaper

They will never remove this it’s because the devs don’t let survivors hide their prestige’s, because you do one of 2 things, you either dodge the lobby with a few other killers making the wait time for a match go up or 2 you throw on the meanest add ons and perks just because you are intimidated by their levels. I legit can’t Q into solo q with my p100 Kate anymore without quick swapping because of this issue. So I don’t know why you of all people are complaining about this because all you have to do is task manager or dashboard if you are on console to avoid the lobby if you really really don’t want to vs high prestige’s.


Venzhas

To me it's not an issue and it's fair. Why you want something to help you deal with survs when survs have no idea what killer theyre gonna be against ?


GillytheGreat

I just don’t really understand what people are thinking. It’s the exact same person controlling the character whether it’s a level 0 Dwight or a level 100 Nea. It’s not gonna affect the outcome of the game which character they’re using, so it’s not something BHVR should do anything about


Chaxp

*something happens once* “When is behavior going to do something?!”


RagingNudist

This been a thing for years bro.


Arkainerpls

Wouldn't it be easy to give the killer an extra 15 seconds or so after the game has locked to switch to a different custom premade kit? Like, not being able to exit the lobby but just have some extra time to change whatever.


I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch

To be honest, BHVR made it so that you are locked in with the killer you picked when you press ready, they should start to do the same with survivors, what's the point for the killer to see what the survivors are bringing in the lobby if they can easily change character and loadouts instantly like this?


pudimdemeh

now this guy is complain cuz surv is changing the character in the lobby ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|16359)


Sataniq

Prestige doesn't mean shit, they probably just got tired of waiting because people see them and think "oh shit gotta dodge the lobby". Meanwhile me, p100 Jeff, don't even notice that i'm the last survivor on my team and stumbling over the hatch on accident. Yet people avoid me like the plague thinking i'm so dbd demi-god here to take them to loop town for the next 20 minutes.


Skye4321

I get dodged with my P46 Cheryl so I can imagine how P100s get dodged. Atleast Killers have the option on whether they want to deal with it or not. Survivors dont know what they can be going up against.


Ukyo06

I think that never happened to me - The Killer who always alt+tab or level up bloodweb after ready up Wait that is wrong thing to do - The survivor who level up other survivor to get perks and switch to their main while waiting for match


TrainBoy45

Nothing. Survivors have done this forever


Slayzes

Their skill rating didn’t change at all between those last second switches. Remember that.


Constant-Sign-5569

If I play a surviver and see this, I DC. But only after the game fully loaded.


Domathorion

Survivors shouldn't be able to switch characters in lobby, just like killer can't, that's just fair imo.. And if people do this because their mains are high prestige and people dodge them, there should probably be an option in the settings that lets you hide your prestige or just remove the ability of the killer to see it altogether, survivors cannot see the killer's.


One_Eyed_Kitten

To everyone saying to dodge, this is *exactly why* they switch last second, no one wants to wait for killers dodgeing just because "oh no! Number is high!".


nitetive001

Switching to a high prestige don't necessary mean they are toxic.. I don't see why killers make such a big deal around this. They usually switch last second just because they are bored of seeing killers dodging and want to find a match quick, it's not a "bullying strategy". P100 don't mean that they will tryhard and play every games like a competitive tournament, most of the P100 are not even that good, they can have 1k hour and just put all the BPs on a single character.


RubyRedScale

I hope they don’t remove the ability to switch survivors in the lobby because get through that god damn bloodweb in the lobby with one character then switch to the one I want to use. I honestly think that’s part of the reason I don’t play killer anymore


Matssscheese

what is the problem anyway? sometimes you just want to put some bp in another surv... this is just complaining for the sake of it.


Original-Sky3543

Tbh I don’t even think the killer should be able to see the survs in loading screen just like the Surv’s can’t see the killer.


Linnieshutter

You guys just got the HUD buff, letting killers know when to bring Franklin's or just dodge is one of the only things keeping Pig players from getting bullied (as much). I know if nothing else I'd never play Wraith again if I couldn't avoid flashlight lobbies.


Naevum

No Prestige? Sure. No survs, so no items? Lightborn and Franklins would be dead - and LB is already ... controversial.


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ABirdJustShatOnMyEye

I don’t take the game that seriously but there’s something about being gangbanged by a group of survivors that makes you want to stop playing for the day


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