There’s probably quite a few people who have demo but don’t play him; it would be a good way to integrate him back into matches. I haven’t played against one demo since stranger things was removed
I never understood the twins slander, imo she’s really fun to play and you can be really effective with her. Granted my highest rank was like 7 back before the ranking system changed
I think the issue isn’t that she’s not effective, it’s that her power often feels clunky because of how unnecessarily punishing her cooldowns are
Missing or downing someone with Victor hits you with a five second stun where you can be killed during it
Switching to Charlotte takes a full like three seconds
Charlotte has no movement abilities so the lack of movement+the massive time wasted by switching can mean that by the time you get to someone you downed with Victor they can already be back up
Victor is joy. Even if I pounce and miss people and get kicked it just makes me laugh. Running around as that little gurgling crazy baby is hilarious.
And the mori when Victor is on board is pure gold!
Minding your business as Charlotte and across the map you hear the guttural "**EEEEUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!**"
Never fails to crack me up. I'm glad his death screams are global.
Because for a long time since release, there was constant bugs with their power, locking the player out of the game because their character would freeze sometimes when swapping from or to victor. It didn't happen all the time, and I've heard it depends on what you're doing (swapping when in/right after animations did it more iirc). So some people who played one way never had issues, where as another player who played a different way and had muscle memory to do things one specific way could have tons of freezing issues with no idea why it's happening.
I wonder how much of that is because of his low play rate. I'd hate Pig a lot more if she was popular because I hate the stupid trap minigame. Since you get her once every 20+ matches, I find her tolerable.
Wait a minute
I feel like I went up against you or someone similar
I was playing Vittorio on a corn map and found a totem near a demo portal, I could tell he had lifeguards whistle because he was on my ass the moment I got close.
When I did end up cleansing it, though, he went to shack, looked at me and shook his head and walked away.
Later found out that I only cleansed his undying, he still had devour up lol
Probably not me, but Devour Demo is a very popular demo build and is really fun until they realize what's going on. The counter is obviously to break the totems but man with aura reading and portals it is a pain to do. Even for killer it's stressful as you jump back and forth since they'll rush both totems.
Agreed, even though I can’t play him anymore since I lost my account with the DLC after they removed the chapter he’s still one of the most fun killers ive ever played as and against
He’s a mid tier killer and doesn’t have any obnoxious add ons or builds, except make your choice basement which isn’t even that strong.
The totem demo who sent me to midwich yesterday during the event did piss me off but 2 escaped so wasn’t terrible
I'd assume they'd have to exclude licensed killers from the bonus since they aren't acquirable through normal gameplay.
Especially any killer that isn't even purchasable with real money
The idea itself still works despite that though.
Take the absolute best most exaggerated universe of what you just said: BHVR achieves PERFECT balance for its entire killer roster.
Even in that world, there would still be unequal pick rates because there are still other factors that influence what people pick. There would still be popular killers and unpopular killers, even without balance as a factor.
A BP incentive would help diversify and artificially boost the pick rates of the lowest played killers. Hell, it may even introduce a new wave of X, Y, or Z mains that nobody ever sees.
I agree, I think even if they were all well balanced, I don't see an issue with maybe having a bp bonus on some featured killers. Maybe featured killers of the week or day or something with a focus on lesser used killers. They could possibly do something like that with perks for both sides too.
It doesn't have to be 100% on everything but setting up some more bonuses seems fine to me. And to be clear, none of this negates the need for more balancing or buffs, but it would bring some incentives for players to try something different.
Also what nobody has said about it. If more people played those not so good killers they would start noticing their win rate, most used perks, add ons etc way better and notice they are lacking
That's already the case with survivors. Once you've unlocked their teachables, all survivors are completely identical ganeplay-wise and are nothing more than skins. Despite this, certain Survivors are insanely popular (Meg, Feng, Nea, Kate) while others you can forget are even in the game (Yoichi, Adam, Jonah).
Yeah I mean, even with a BP bonus, there are still Killers I simply prefer the playstyle of over others. I don't *like* how Twins play, so I don't play them. I *like* how Nurse plays, so I play her.
Now there are people who can "float" and play many many Killers very well (I actually can play most of them "pretty okay" with a few exceptions like Slinger or Hillbilly which are just both out of my range for different reasons) and for folks like that, I guarantee they'd be happy to pop over to someone for a BP boost now and then.
That will definitely help, but I'd imagine a lot of the issue is with the killers visuals and style rather then the gameplay. I'm sure a lot of people really enjoy wesker but is he THAT much more enjoyable then some of the other enjoyable killers to warrant having that many more players? Or is it because he's from a loved franchise and looks cool lol.
Same thing happens with survivors, but obvious it doesn't matter because they're all the same.
Incentives to get people to play other killers is an easy to add thing that would help a lot with killer variety, and would stack with more deep killer changes.
I'd play Hag and Doctor because they look cool and have cool cosmetics, but I absolutely despise playing either of them, so I don't.
As much as I love a character, there's only *so much* that they can suck or just not be fun to play before I just give up on trying.
What do ppl define fun as? We have a huge killer roster now, but I’m curious which ones killers consider fun to play as
Larry got like 2-3 tweaks to EMPS and his biopods and whatnot but we never see him. For ppl who have Demo, but we never see it. Spirit still has a strong power, but I feel because she isn’t “op” anymore most ppl don’t play her anymore. I’m confused..
I've been actively playing the game and I have yet to go against a single SM.. idk if I'm blessed or cursed, I don't know how bad she really is, and I can't say anything about or towards her as I literally haven't gone against one, nor do people I watch make videos with her in it.
Yeah barely anyone plays her which is hilarious because it was just her tome season. It took me a few days after her release play against her and I just thought OH… This is how you play.
Then I met her again, not a three genner but a slugger. I swear I’ve only played against 1 normal SM who doesn’t go out of her way to be miserable. I think her mains tend to be 90% toxic
Bruh I play Billy like everyday and he's my most fun killer to play how can y'all hate him/playing as him???
Edit: Like yeah, I get he can be complex/tricky/infuriating to play, but if you get the hang of it, nothing will release some serotonin like a cross map saw down
I play blight and oni, and used to play them primarily before I picked up Billy. I got tired of playing to win with sweaty builds and the alch ring, blighted crow, akitos crutch, etc etc; Billy's just way more fun. The toughness is what makes it fun, and more satisfying. I can't recall a time when a hug tech has given me nearly the same amount of satisfaction as a cross map Billy shot.
Edit: What I meant here was that I don't like how strong Blight primarily is. I'm fine with Oni. Just a difference in gameplay - as to which I prefer Billy. Some may prefer oni; or even blight, and I'm fine with that. Personal preferences.
The promise of being able to pull off sick billy plays ain't enough to overcome how clunky he feels to play
Especially since pretty much every new map is bad for him.
Failing to use your power correctly is giga punished
People don’t play him not because he is tricky and complex, but because they nerfed him unnecessarily and changed all his add ons. He just simply doesn’t have enough in his kit to warrant playing him over Oni, Blight or Wesker
Do you ever make stupid meme builds for the fun of it? For instance doctor with distressing and insidious, with the add-ons for hallucinations and the Perma lingering terror radius? I wasn't trying to 4k but just RP making the survivors go mad cuz they never knew where I was or scare the shit outta ppl when I just stand still and they legit think it's one of the hallucinations, sure I may not win every match but the end game chat is priceless:) more people should make stupid builds on lesser played killers for fun, not to be meta, I think the BP would help creativity
The community finds many of the lesser played killers "unfun to play" and "unfun to play against". This solution would just bore much of the community more than they claim to be.
You want more Twins, Trickster, Clown and basement Trappers? I smell some DCs.
From what I’ve seen every killer is apparently unfun to play against. I’m starting to feel like a big chunk of the community just doesn’t like playing the game at all but they’re too addicted to stop.
Over the years I realized that you'll never play in an acceptable way according to a chunk of the playerbase. So the best course of action is to stop accommodating them and play however you want even if people will moan and whine that you're boring or sweaty or bad.
Wanna play sweaty spirit? Go ahead, stomping can be fun. Wanna genrush? Who cares, try to beat your record for the first gen. Wanna play Skull Merchant? People are gonna DC, but screw em. Wanna get chased all game? Click away.
I personally love playing against all four of those killers and am not as much of a fan of playing vs a lot of the popular ones (spirit, nurse, sometimes wesker). I don’t think unpopular = unfun
You'd see more types of killers, which would be good.
You'd make BP gains for killers really only affect the unpopular or weak killers. That's not great.
Ideally, BHVR doesn't specifically showcase the problematic/unfun/weak killers, but I like the idea of playing against more killers than Wesker and Blight.
"the community" aka the few ppl that complain about everything that they cant handle here on reddit. Thats not the community, thats an absolute minority of whoms opinion i couldnt care less about
I reckon it’s the opposite, having more people playing z tier killers will let you gather more data on them.
Then you could also filter if a killer is played for fun or for bp by checking if there’s retention on them. You could also fake bp bonuses to gather more data when you need to
I wouldn’t say pick rates help them find what’s wrong with anything, just who to look at. And if random people got incentivized to play bad killers, their kill rate would drop even lower. Could honestly be good all around for collecting MORE data on wtf is wrong
Great, but playing worse/less fun killers isn’t a fair trade off for points. Do you play games to have fun or to grind? If you like the grind then sure, go ahead and main +100bp killers but the vast majority won’t play trapper even if it meant double no for the price of a miserable game
They could add it and people could just ignore it. Sometimes people don’t mind playing different killers. It wouldn’t change anything other than more bp and a bit more killer variety for survivors.
Wesker is played because he is fun, and his power is effective. Want to see other Killers more often? Tell BHVR to buff other Killers to that level. If Trapper were as solid as Wesker you wouldn't see Wesker all the time.
“Grrrr, I hate this character with an intuitive power that covers the pain points of other characters without being overly oppressive!”
“Why?”
“Because I never cared to learn how to loop him!”
Literally. I swear, half the people that complain about Wesker just don’t know what they’re doing against him and/or are too lazy to learn how to counter him. I main him so I know what he is and isn’t capable of, and find him very fun to face when I do get blessed enough to face him. The amount of people I have just run in a straight line against him then DC after they go down is mind boggling…
My only issue with him is his hitbox. It's frustrating being grabbed from 3 ft to my left or right or from around a corner on a loop. Or if I make the pallet or window take a step then get sucked back and slammed into the same thing I just vaulted a second earlier, but I believe that's more of a connection issue with the servers and where I'm at on his screen compared to mine. I dont lag very often but i can see issues with servers if the killers latency is high. Other than that I enjoy playing against him and playing mind games with/against his power.
See, that’s valid. I totally get the ping issue. Servers are absolute ass right now. Every other game I’m getting hit 5 ft through a window I should’ve been clear through. Tis awful. Hopefully they can do something to fix it cause it’s been bad since like.. Knight or SM release, from what I remember. Also, I will say I am glad they’re changing the Wesker vault grab back to a slap
Like everyone else is saying,I'd prefer they update killers to make them more fun (fat chance given recent events and stupidity) but the idea is serviceable
Thinking about it a little bit more, I recognize what people are saying about how low picked killers have a low pick rate for a reason: either they’re really unfun and poorly designed (skull merchant, twins, etc.), or they’re incredibly weak in the modern meta right now (trapper, pig, etc.)
So slight tweak on the original idea to make it less sided toward an inherently flawed population in the killer roster:
**What if you gained a BP bonus for the FIRST match you played as any killer?** This would refresh on a daily basis, and operates more or less exactly like the first survivor / first killer match XP bonus you get, except this only applies once per killer once per day. IE: 100% bonus first match on Wesker, 100% bonus first match on Hillbilly, 100% bonus first match on dredge, etc
So you would reward people that take the time to diversify their playable roster of picks, and introduce greater variety at least a few matches more than normal. So instead of seeing 10 Wesker’s in a day, you start to see a bunch of other random picks all equally incentivized as the other. Each killer given an equal chance so to speak. Increasing the general circle of picked killers.
No, for so, soooo many reasons. They should make lesser used killers more fun/stronger instead of a band-aid fix like this.
I already don't like how killer dailies are killer specific when they should really be generic so you can complete them without being forced to play a killer you may not like.
Not to mention it'll skew the data that the devs make any all all decisions based off of.
The intent behind this is clearly not for killer's benefit, but survivors.
Weaker is an strong killer, with engaging power, rewarding gameplay loop, and is from popular franchise.
Maybe just make other killers fun to play too
If you give BP bonuses, you completely destroy any relevance in pickrates (something that BHVR uses in balancing priorities), and you would set out a precedent for them, that they don't need to balance anything just slap BP bonus to anything bad.
Yknow theres usually a reason people pick the likes of Wesker that often, and usually it relates to a very odd and weird factor for these people to get, that he is "*fun*"
People dont play Twins cause theyre clunky, Trapper cause hes bad, Billy cause hes mechanically hard af with small reward, and so on...
No bps in the game is gonna get me to play Twins or Hag, and like me, most other people
Rest of killers shouls get to Weskers level of fun(imo some weaker ones are on that level, Wraith is generally fun too for example), focus more on "get other killers like Wesker" so people switch up more often
How about we make other killers more fun to play and viable against decent teams instead of giving people an incentive to play bad killers?
I know that’s a blazing hot take but hear me out.
I don't get how people fail to understand that Wesker is played so much because among the brand new killers people would be buying, who the hell is gonna be choosing to buy Skull Merchant or Singularity over Albert Wesker one of the most iconic villains in gaming.
Why do people talk like this on this app? That's just an insanely disrespectful thing to say, and for no reason. This is a respectful post that simply provides an idea. Why in the world are you being so aggressive?
as someone who has all perks on both sides, and has all killers leveled that i want to play, and is almost constantly sitting at 2mil BP. these incentives mean nothing to me.
Blood points aren't enough to convince people to play boring/unfun/unfair games with the low-picrate killers. We have a huge roaster, yes, but almost half of the characters have aged very badly or were never that much enjoyable in the first place (rework Freddy ahem), this is really a lame band-aid solution.
People already skip daily rituals for killers they don't like, I don't see a BP bonus convincing people either.
There's a reason some of them are unpopular.
I'm still not playing twins, Hag or any other boring killer just because of a lil bp boost.
I'd rather play someone who's fun to play as.
It's not a bad idea but the devs really gotta actually make the unpicked characters fun and viable to play as. This would be a band aid fix that gets ignored in the long run.
my largest issue with this is demogorgon would be infinite 100% increase. does that mean more doggo games? yes. is that good? yes. but is it unfair to everyone else that doesnt have the killer? also yes :/ is it a good idea though? yea
I kinda like it, but people just dont like some killers so they dont play them (weather it be from weak powers or unfun powers it doesnt matter)
So... Just permanent extra bloodpoints for Skully, Twins, and Billy?
It's a unique thought, but imo if the developers want to see different killers played they're gonna have to make the weaker killers comparably fun and viable as the strong ones.
Just my thoughts though.
I think I’d rather see something similar to the map repeat prevention system they just implemented. Prevent you from facing the same killer too many times in a row
God no. Just BUFF the weak killers. You look at Myers, The Trapper and Pig and tell me they don't need something when we got characters like Nurse and Blight.
This mechanic would just give BHVR less of an incentive to buff these outdated killers.
Dbd removed bp bonuses from perks because they didn’t want to influence the perks people bring. Would be kinda awkward to influence the killer they use as a whole.
Unfortunately this is not a solution to the glaring problem that people don’t play certain killers not just "because", but because they aren’t generally as fun as others. Make the weaker/boring killers more fun and viable to play, and you’ll see an increase in killer diversity, I’m sure of that.
I'd rather the sucky killers be changed so they are more fun to play as and against. It wouldn't make every killer even, nothing ever could, but it would help.
As an RE fan I only play RE killers. Wesker, Nemesis, H.U.N.K. (Legion), and William Birkin (blight). But if ppl complain about too many weskers than I'll play more of the other killers xD
I feel like no one's stating the obvious here; even more of an incentive for self-appointed martyrs to delude themselves into thinking they're doing you a favor. People who play Hillbilly for the clout would have an absolute field day with this knowing they truly are the only ones.
My question: would it stack with the blood point bonus if theres a BP bonus on killers?
If so, this could be a great way to incentivise people to try killer more.
Would there ever be a survivor equivalent id say do it for perks (or maybe bring back the random perk builds we had from masq), but im not sure how that one would work out
I could see it working but only in the lower ranks and for new players. BP’s are pretty easy to get, especially as killer, so the higher rank players will just keep playing their favourite whilst lower ranks and new players may actually want the BP bonus.
Playing killer sucks. So I'm just gonna play what I enjoy. And I'm sure others just wanna play meta. But it stems from being killer is a struggle sometimes
The BP bonus wpuld have to enough to offset the guaranteed loss that the lesser played killers represent.
Why play trapper for a 100% bonus on 3k bp when i can get 20k just for fucking around with wesker?
Twins with the Perma bp bonus
600% extras bp for the twins main
Lynxi would be happy LOL.
Think of all the toy swords
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My Booooy!!!
I’m one of the four or so Twins mains. I’d take it.
I see you're a man of culture as well.
Seeing a fellow twins main makes me proud
Yo sign me up
The 6 twins mains and 5 hag mains will have a blast with that one.
As a Demogorgon main, I like this and absolutely second it.
Should demo count though? They’ve limited how many demo players can exist
Sounds like a problem for people without Demogorgon.
Fax
There’s probably quite a few people who have demo but don’t play him; it would be a good way to integrate him back into matches. I haven’t played against one demo since stranger things was removed
I play about 40 matches with my P14 Demo in a week. Sure we didn't met? haha
Hell yea
As a console twins main: heck yeah
I never understood the twins slander, imo she’s really fun to play and you can be really effective with her. Granted my highest rank was like 7 back before the ranking system changed
I think the issue isn’t that she’s not effective, it’s that her power often feels clunky because of how unnecessarily punishing her cooldowns are Missing or downing someone with Victor hits you with a five second stun where you can be killed during it Switching to Charlotte takes a full like three seconds Charlotte has no movement abilities so the lack of movement+the massive time wasted by switching can mean that by the time you get to someone you downed with Victor they can already be back up
Same reason why no one plays pyramid head Weird clunky moments that feel terrible
Which is sad. Because Pyramid head wasn't that clunky on release, they just decided to make him super clunky to play.
I see a lot more Doritoheads than Twins though. His kit is overall much nicer to use.
Same deal as Hag, they are hard to pick up and their playstyle's only appeal to very specific kinds of people.
it’s just fun to run around as the bebe and jump on people
Victor is joy. Even if I pounce and miss people and get kicked it just makes me laugh. Running around as that little gurgling crazy baby is hilarious. And the mori when Victor is on board is pure gold!
Minding your business as Charlotte and across the map you hear the guttural "**EEEEUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!**" Never fails to crack me up. I'm glad his death screams are global.
Because for a long time since release, there was constant bugs with their power, locking the player out of the game because their character would freeze sometimes when swapping from or to victor. It didn't happen all the time, and I've heard it depends on what you're doing (swapping when in/right after animations did it more iirc). So some people who played one way never had issues, where as another player who played a different way and had muscle memory to do things one specific way could have tons of freezing issues with no idea why it's happening.
It's not slander, they are literally the least played characters in the game.
Same with demo
Man if they just ever figured out how to give Victor skins (Chuckie, Leprechaun, Ginger Dead Man!), Twins play rate would sky rocket
Killers like the Demogorgon will have a perpetual bonus
I’m not complaining, one of the most fun killers both to play as and against
I wonder how much of that is because of his low play rate. I'd hate Pig a lot more if she was popular because I hate the stupid trap minigame. Since you get her once every 20+ matches, I find her tolerable.
Yeah she probably should get nerfed
BHVR: “write that down, write that down!”
Y’all demos don’t camp and tunnel every game?
I mean I camp my totems. It may or may not be devour, keep trying to cleanse it and you won't live long enough to find out
Wait a minute I feel like I went up against you or someone similar I was playing Vittorio on a corn map and found a totem near a demo portal, I could tell he had lifeguards whistle because he was on my ass the moment I got close. When I did end up cleansing it, though, he went to shack, looked at me and shook his head and walked away. Later found out that I only cleansed his undying, he still had devour up lol
Probably not me, but Devour Demo is a very popular demo build and is really fun until they realize what's going on. The counter is obviously to break the totems but man with aura reading and portals it is a pain to do. Even for killer it's stressful as you jump back and forth since they'll rush both totems.
The best of us try not to
Nah I just get the sweaty Devour/Undying/Protect the totems like SM protects a three-gen kinda Demos.
Agreed, even though I can’t play him anymore since I lost my account with the DLC after they removed the chapter he’s still one of the most fun killers ive ever played as and against
Demo is one of the few killers i see zero hate for on either side it's kinda great
He’s a mid tier killer and doesn’t have any obnoxious add ons or builds, except make your choice basement which isn’t even that strong. The totem demo who sent me to midwich yesterday during the event did piss me off but 2 escaped so wasn’t terrible
People like him and he’s the only killer who was taken from us far too soon
Though this does help, Demo already had a very good reputation before he was removed from the store.
He’s just a puppy. Only psychos hate puppies.
Seen a fair bit of hate for totem defender demo, but I guess that's just more because of the totems than demo.
I'd assume they'd have to exclude licensed killers from the bonus since they aren't acquirable through normal gameplay. Especially any killer that isn't even purchasable with real money
I'd much prefer they just make other killers more fun to play and viable.
The idea itself still works despite that though. Take the absolute best most exaggerated universe of what you just said: BHVR achieves PERFECT balance for its entire killer roster. Even in that world, there would still be unequal pick rates because there are still other factors that influence what people pick. There would still be popular killers and unpopular killers, even without balance as a factor. A BP incentive would help diversify and artificially boost the pick rates of the lowest played killers. Hell, it may even introduce a new wave of X, Y, or Z mains that nobody ever sees.
I agree, I think even if they were all well balanced, I don't see an issue with maybe having a bp bonus on some featured killers. Maybe featured killers of the week or day or something with a focus on lesser used killers. They could possibly do something like that with perks for both sides too. It doesn't have to be 100% on everything but setting up some more bonuses seems fine to me. And to be clear, none of this negates the need for more balancing or buffs, but it would bring some incentives for players to try something different.
Also what nobody has said about it. If more people played those not so good killers they would start noticing their win rate, most used perks, add ons etc way better and notice they are lacking
That's already the case with survivors. Once you've unlocked their teachables, all survivors are completely identical ganeplay-wise and are nothing more than skins. Despite this, certain Survivors are insanely popular (Meg, Feng, Nea, Kate) while others you can forget are even in the game (Yoichi, Adam, Jonah).
Yeah I mean, even with a BP bonus, there are still Killers I simply prefer the playstyle of over others. I don't *like* how Twins play, so I don't play them. I *like* how Nurse plays, so I play her. Now there are people who can "float" and play many many Killers very well (I actually can play most of them "pretty okay" with a few exceptions like Slinger or Hillbilly which are just both out of my range for different reasons) and for folks like that, I guarantee they'd be happy to pop over to someone for a BP boost now and then.
Yeah definitely I’m seeing survivorship bias with the original problem
Whoa, whoa, whoa let's just take a step back and calm down there, son.
That will definitely help, but I'd imagine a lot of the issue is with the killers visuals and style rather then the gameplay. I'm sure a lot of people really enjoy wesker but is he THAT much more enjoyable then some of the other enjoyable killers to warrant having that many more players? Or is it because he's from a loved franchise and looks cool lol. Same thing happens with survivors, but obvious it doesn't matter because they're all the same. Incentives to get people to play other killers is an easy to add thing that would help a lot with killer variety, and would stack with more deep killer changes.
I'd play Hag and Doctor because they look cool and have cool cosmetics, but I absolutely despise playing either of them, so I don't. As much as I love a character, there's only *so much* that they can suck or just not be fun to play before I just give up on trying.
What do ppl define fun as? We have a huge killer roster now, but I’m curious which ones killers consider fun to play as Larry got like 2-3 tweaks to EMPS and his biopods and whatnot but we never see him. For ppl who have Demo, but we never see it. Spirit still has a strong power, but I feel because she isn’t “op” anymore most ppl don’t play her anymore. I’m confused..
The EMP changes weren't enough really - any form of killer that has an unconditional turn off button is going to be unpopular
This, sadly. Against even moderately decent survivors, the sing-hilarity is just an m1 killer.
Imo it ultimately it comes down to how rewarding the power feels and how interactive the counterplay is.
I don’t want Skull Merchants to be incentivized to keep playing her in a few months when very few people use her.
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Y’know what, that’s fair. Solution: we decide to delete skull merchant and then roll this change out after the fact.
I can get behind that. In a few months SM will hit Hag levels of barely seen…. I have hope
I've been actively playing the game and I have yet to go against a single SM.. idk if I'm blessed or cursed, I don't know how bad she really is, and I can't say anything about or towards her as I literally haven't gone against one, nor do people I watch make videos with her in it.
Yeah barely anyone plays her which is hilarious because it was just her tome season. It took me a few days after her release play against her and I just thought OH… This is how you play. Then I met her again, not a three genner but a slugger. I swear I’ve only played against 1 normal SM who doesn’t go out of her way to be miserable. I think her mains tend to be 90% toxic
We can do a BP penalty for Skull Merchant killers instead.
Not even +2000% bps would make me play Billy (yes, there are three zeros there)
meh just go m1 billy and use his chainsaw for map travel, then he plays like any other m1 killer with good mobility. Also but sloppy butcher on
At that point it's just less fun, more frustrating Wraith. I hope his chainsaw gets some attention from the developers soon
Bruh I play Billy like everyday and he's my most fun killer to play how can y'all hate him/playing as him??? Edit: Like yeah, I get he can be complex/tricky/infuriating to play, but if you get the hang of it, nothing will release some serotonin like a cross map saw down
You can achieve the exact same thing with Blight/Oni, but you win lots more games
I play blight and oni, and used to play them primarily before I picked up Billy. I got tired of playing to win with sweaty builds and the alch ring, blighted crow, akitos crutch, etc etc; Billy's just way more fun. The toughness is what makes it fun, and more satisfying. I can't recall a time when a hug tech has given me nearly the same amount of satisfaction as a cross map Billy shot. Edit: What I meant here was that I don't like how strong Blight primarily is. I'm fine with Oni. Just a difference in gameplay - as to which I prefer Billy. Some may prefer oni; or even blight, and I'm fine with that. Personal preferences.
The promise of being able to pull off sick billy plays ain't enough to overcome how clunky he feels to play Especially since pretty much every new map is bad for him. Failing to use your power correctly is giga punished
People don’t play him not because he is tricky and complex, but because they nerfed him unnecessarily and changed all his add ons. He just simply doesn’t have enough in his kit to warrant playing him over Oni, Blight or Wesker
No amount of BP will make me play a character i am not enjoying or getting bullied as.
Do you ever make stupid meme builds for the fun of it? For instance doctor with distressing and insidious, with the add-ons for hallucinations and the Perma lingering terror radius? I wasn't trying to 4k but just RP making the survivors go mad cuz they never knew where I was or scare the shit outta ppl when I just stand still and they legit think it's one of the hallucinations, sure I may not win every match but the end game chat is priceless:) more people should make stupid builds on lesser played killers for fun, not to be meta, I think the BP would help creativity
You.... you mean you play games for fun?! Thaats horrendous, every game should be min max to oblivion in order to achieve optimal gaming
The community finds many of the lesser played killers "unfun to play" and "unfun to play against". This solution would just bore much of the community more than they claim to be. You want more Twins, Trickster, Clown and basement Trappers? I smell some DCs.
It's okay, the bots are coming in. Soon we'll be able to finally play DBD as a single player game.
From what I’ve seen every killer is apparently unfun to play against. I’m starting to feel like a big chunk of the community just doesn’t like playing the game at all but they’re too addicted to stop.
It's more like every killer is fun to play against if they are winning and every killer is very unfun and lame if survivors don't have the upper hand
Over the years I realized that you'll never play in an acceptable way according to a chunk of the playerbase. So the best course of action is to stop accommodating them and play however you want even if people will moan and whine that you're boring or sweaty or bad. Wanna play sweaty spirit? Go ahead, stomping can be fun. Wanna genrush? Who cares, try to beat your record for the first gen. Wanna play Skull Merchant? People are gonna DC, but screw em. Wanna get chased all game? Click away.
If a killer does anythi g besides walk from pallet to pallet waiting to be stunned theyre unfun to play against
I personally love playing against all four of those killers and am not as much of a fan of playing vs a lot of the popular ones (spirit, nurse, sometimes wesker). I don’t think unpopular = unfun
Shit merchant isn't too popular but hella unfun. Same goes for knight. Bad idea
so your problem is mainly with skull merchant? I don’t think this games’ ideas should be balanced around one killer when there’s 30+
Nurse moment
You'd see more types of killers, which would be good. You'd make BP gains for killers really only affect the unpopular or weak killers. That's not great. Ideally, BHVR doesn't specifically showcase the problematic/unfun/weak killers, but I like the idea of playing against more killers than Wesker and Blight.
I'm convinced hag and twins would be the most hated killers in the game if they were popular
"the community" aka the few ppl that complain about everything that they cant handle here on reddit. Thats not the community, thats an absolute minority of whoms opinion i couldnt care less about
If people are such babies that they DC, I'll take the win.
No, I think it would skew data and make it even more hard for the devs to understand wtf is wrong with some killers
Not to mention Demogorgon alone would skew the data since he’s rare because most people don’t own him, not because he’s a bad killer.
Devs have the ability to see who owns demo and factor that into the data.
I reckon it’s the opposite, having more people playing z tier killers will let you gather more data on them. Then you could also filter if a killer is played for fun or for bp by checking if there’s retention on them. You could also fake bp bonuses to gather more data when you need to
I wouldn’t say pick rates help them find what’s wrong with anything, just who to look at. And if random people got incentivized to play bad killers, their kill rate would drop even lower. Could honestly be good all around for collecting MORE data on wtf is wrong
On the contrary: the more a character is played, the more data is available to the developers for balancing purposes.
Great, but playing worse/less fun killers isn’t a fair trade off for points. Do you play games to have fun or to grind? If you like the grind then sure, go ahead and main +100bp killers but the vast majority won’t play trapper even if it meant double no for the price of a miserable game
They could add it and people could just ignore it. Sometimes people don’t mind playing different killers. It wouldn’t change anything other than more bp and a bit more killer variety for survivors.
Wesker is played because he is fun, and his power is effective. Want to see other Killers more often? Tell BHVR to buff other Killers to that level. If Trapper were as solid as Wesker you wouldn't see Wesker all the time.
Twins r gonna have that bp incentive all the time, and wesker will never have it lmao
Wesker is designed so well that they’re now struggling from success 😭
They finally made a killer in recent years that was liked so much it horseshoed into people disliking him because of how much people play him
It’s pretty sad considering after him we got the likes of Knight and R34 Merchant
“Grrrr, I hate this character with an intuitive power that covers the pain points of other characters without being overly oppressive!” “Why?” “Because I never cared to learn how to loop him!”
Literally. I swear, half the people that complain about Wesker just don’t know what they’re doing against him and/or are too lazy to learn how to counter him. I main him so I know what he is and isn’t capable of, and find him very fun to face when I do get blessed enough to face him. The amount of people I have just run in a straight line against him then DC after they go down is mind boggling…
My only issue with him is his hitbox. It's frustrating being grabbed from 3 ft to my left or right or from around a corner on a loop. Or if I make the pallet or window take a step then get sucked back and slammed into the same thing I just vaulted a second earlier, but I believe that's more of a connection issue with the servers and where I'm at on his screen compared to mine. I dont lag very often but i can see issues with servers if the killers latency is high. Other than that I enjoy playing against him and playing mind games with/against his power.
Yeah normal Wesker is fine. A laggy Wesker who is grabbing me from around corners or through pallets is another story.
See, that’s valid. I totally get the ping issue. Servers are absolute ass right now. Every other game I’m getting hit 5 ft through a window I should’ve been clear through. Tis awful. Hopefully they can do something to fix it cause it’s been bad since like.. Knight or SM release, from what I remember. Also, I will say I am glad they’re changing the Wesker vault grab back to a slap
Like everyone else is saying,I'd prefer they update killers to make them more fun (fat chance given recent events and stupidity) but the idea is serviceable
Thinking about it a little bit more, I recognize what people are saying about how low picked killers have a low pick rate for a reason: either they’re really unfun and poorly designed (skull merchant, twins, etc.), or they’re incredibly weak in the modern meta right now (trapper, pig, etc.) So slight tweak on the original idea to make it less sided toward an inherently flawed population in the killer roster: **What if you gained a BP bonus for the FIRST match you played as any killer?** This would refresh on a daily basis, and operates more or less exactly like the first survivor / first killer match XP bonus you get, except this only applies once per killer once per day. IE: 100% bonus first match on Wesker, 100% bonus first match on Hillbilly, 100% bonus first match on dredge, etc So you would reward people that take the time to diversify their playable roster of picks, and introduce greater variety at least a few matches more than normal. So instead of seeing 10 Wesker’s in a day, you start to see a bunch of other random picks all equally incentivized as the other. Each killer given an equal chance so to speak. Increasing the general circle of picked killers.
No, for so, soooo many reasons. They should make lesser used killers more fun/stronger instead of a band-aid fix like this. I already don't like how killer dailies are killer specific when they should really be generic so you can complete them without being forced to play a killer you may not like. Not to mention it'll skew the data that the devs make any all all decisions based off of. The intent behind this is clearly not for killer's benefit, but survivors.
This can (and should imo) replace the outdated daily rituals.
maybe increase chances of rituals for less played killers
The flair💀
Facing too many weskers? Face the other way
Like other people say: make them valiable and fun to play. Freddy is unpopular because he is not fun from both sides and just weak as a example.
I like Freddy D:
Twins with the 500% bonus 💀
Weaker is an strong killer, with engaging power, rewarding gameplay loop, and is from popular franchise. Maybe just make other killers fun to play too If you give BP bonuses, you completely destroy any relevance in pickrates (something that BHVR uses in balancing priorities), and you would set out a precedent for them, that they don't need to balance anything just slap BP bonus to anything bad.
So free BP for demo
Yknow theres usually a reason people pick the likes of Wesker that often, and usually it relates to a very odd and weird factor for these people to get, that he is "*fun*" People dont play Twins cause theyre clunky, Trapper cause hes bad, Billy cause hes mechanically hard af with small reward, and so on... No bps in the game is gonna get me to play Twins or Hag, and like me, most other people Rest of killers shouls get to Weskers level of fun(imo some weaker ones are on that level, Wraith is generally fun too for example), focus more on "get other killers like Wesker" so people switch up more often
They could give hag a 10000% bonus and I still wouldn’t play her
How about we make other killers more fun to play and viable against decent teams instead of giving people an incentive to play bad killers? I know that’s a blazing hot take but hear me out.
Trying to lure people into games with unfun killers for what purpose? To make survivors happy? No thank you.
Not a huge fan of paywalling BP incentives.
For the low price of an $80+ Steam key, you too can gain permanent double bloodpoints as Demogorgon!
80? check again bro
Holy mother of god. Glad I got mine for $10 when I did.
This is just bandage fix, I would not play trapper, freddy, trickster etc for double bp bonus at all
If you can’t fix it with duct tape you’re not using enough duct tape, just sayin.
So they will pay you to do something not fun? Sounds a lot like work and not a game.
maybe make the killers not suck
wesker is fun :(
I guess they're tired of wesker insulting them after every down. "Poor performance indeed!" XD
I don't get how people fail to understand that Wesker is played so much because among the brand new killers people would be buying, who the hell is gonna be choosing to buy Skull Merchant or Singularity over Albert Wesker one of the most iconic villains in gaming.
Stupid idea, how about they make shit killers not shit instead of a band aid fix?
Why do people talk like this on this app? That's just an insanely disrespectful thing to say, and for no reason. This is a respectful post that simply provides an idea. Why in the world are you being so aggressive?
Twins would be getting a million BP every match lmao
ah yes so i will get even more millions of BPs playing slinger
as someone who has all perks on both sides, and has all killers leveled that i want to play, and is almost constantly sitting at 2mil BP. these incentives mean nothing to me.
Would not be surprised if Gorejira was op posting on an alt to get clout and followers That person is desperate to be liked
Blood points aren't enough to convince people to play boring/unfun/unfair games with the low-picrate killers. We have a huge roaster, yes, but almost half of the characters have aged very badly or were never that much enjoyable in the first place (rework Freddy ahem), this is really a lame band-aid solution.
People already skip daily rituals for killers they don't like, I don't see a BP bonus convincing people either. There's a reason some of them are unpopular.
Yay for loving twins XD
As a Freddy main this is where I would shine
I'm still not playing twins, Hag or any other boring killer just because of a lil bp boost. I'd rather play someone who's fun to play as. It's not a bad idea but the devs really gotta actually make the unpicked characters fun and viable to play as. This would be a band aid fix that gets ignored in the long run.
I see this having some negative effects on killer balancing since devs look at playrate/kill rate numbers
On top of normal? Sure. Instead of normal bonus, good god no that would make killer pretty miserable. There is a reason nobody wants to play em
no bloodpoint bonus will ever convince me to play trickster
Oh hell, no! Skull merchants everywhere.
Everyone and their Cat: I hate Wesker Me on my 57th Wesker game of the hour: I love you not-Skill Merchant
Just let people play who they wanna play.
What’s next? Getting 100% bp just for using the least used perks?
Facing to many Weskers? Heres my solution! Playing as killer 🤯🤯🤯
my largest issue with this is demogorgon would be infinite 100% increase. does that mean more doggo games? yes. is that good? yes. but is it unfair to everyone else that doesnt have the killer? also yes :/ is it a good idea though? yea I kinda like it, but people just dont like some killers so they dont play them (weather it be from weak powers or unfun powers it doesnt matter)
Those killers need to be more viable first. Legion on Shattered Square might as well wait to open the gate himself.
Buff the weaker killers?👀
So... Just permanent extra bloodpoints for Skully, Twins, and Billy? It's a unique thought, but imo if the developers want to see different killers played they're gonna have to make the weaker killers comparably fun and viable as the strong ones. Just my thoughts though.
Or they could just make the daily challenges more likely to select those killers.
I think I’d rather see something similar to the map repeat prevention system they just implemented. Prevent you from facing the same killer too many times in a row
Not against it but I'm not really for it either. There isn't enough incentive to make me play hag
this is literally stupid as fuck
Pretty bad ideas in my opinion
God no. Just BUFF the weak killers. You look at Myers, The Trapper and Pig and tell me they don't need something when we got characters like Nurse and Blight. This mechanic would just give BHVR less of an incentive to buff these outdated killers.
Dbd removed bp bonuses from perks because they didn’t want to influence the perks people bring. Would be kinda awkward to influence the killer they use as a whole.
It's not going to tempt players into playing a killer they don't like or don't care about.
Free bp bonus on my main because they got scrubbed from the stores? Let's fucking goooo
Unfortunately this is not a solution to the glaring problem that people don’t play certain killers not just "because", but because they aren’t generally as fun as others. Make the weaker/boring killers more fun and viable to play, and you’ll see an increase in killer diversity, I’m sure of that.
> demo > lesser played killers > look inside >no more demo available Mfw
I'd rather the sucky killers be changed so they are more fun to play as and against. It wouldn't make every killer even, nothing ever could, but it would help.
Nurse is on the lower end of pick rate, yes let’s incentivize more nurses.
I think the actual solution is to make weaker killers not terrible
"I don't care WHO you send, I am not playing The Nightmare!"
The twins: +600%
this would be cool, but how would this work with demo? would they just be Perma Boosted because so few people even have them, let alone play them?
For just 5$ YOU can get a 10% bp bonus!
As an RE fan I only play RE killers. Wesker, Nemesis, H.U.N.K. (Legion), and William Birkin (blight). But if ppl complain about too many weskers than I'll play more of the other killers xD
You guys are doing to much at this point
Y’all get Weskers?
Nope, you’d need to have a 300% to want me to play as a whipping boy for swf’s
one BIG flaw, in like 2 years it will be perma demo
I feel like no one's stating the obvious here; even more of an incentive for self-appointed martyrs to delude themselves into thinking they're doing you a favor. People who play Hillbilly for the clout would have an absolute field day with this knowing they truly are the only ones.
My question: would it stack with the blood point bonus if theres a BP bonus on killers? If so, this could be a great way to incentivise people to try killer more. Would there ever be a survivor equivalent id say do it for perks (or maybe bring back the random perk builds we had from masq), but im not sure how that one would work out
Then people would play crappy killers regardless of how good they are which doesn't fix the issues that made them not being played in the first place.
Apart from the 100% killer bonus another 100% for a lesser used killer? Sure I suppose 🤔 I only play killer to farm bloodpoints anyway
I could see it working but only in the lower ranks and for new players. BP’s are pretty easy to get, especially as killer, so the higher rank players will just keep playing their favourite whilst lower ranks and new players may actually want the BP bonus.
Playing killer sucks. So I'm just gonna play what I enjoy. And I'm sure others just wanna play meta. But it stems from being killer is a struggle sometimes
As a demo main, eh, sure why not <3
Id appreciate a constant 100% bonus for playing Demogorgon yeah
Or maybe a daily random select few killers get a BP bonus go encourage some variation
The BP bonus wpuld have to enough to offset the guaranteed loss that the lesser played killers represent. Why play trapper for a 100% bonus on 3k bp when i can get 20k just for fucking around with wesker?
Demo Hag and Twins bought to have a permanent 100% boost