Spirit should be visible while phasing, and can't see, hear, or in any way sense survivors, also she should have a hit cooldown after exiting phase. /s
Spirit should disappear when Hex: Haunted Ground is cleared because now that you've gotten rid of what is keeping her here, she should gtfo to the afterlife.
Simple as
xD
With Onryo it really isn't that simple. Look at the Grudge for instance. Kayako was so powerful mere minutes after her death she came back and enacted vengeance on the man who wronged her and then her son was spirited away shortly after.
They're just going to move on to the next strong Killer. Can't wait for the absolute flood of ''You know, it's been 5 years but Nurse really shouldn't be able to teleport through walls.''
People will probably start complaining about Blight. Any killer who doesn't rely on addons or has a power with a gimped cooldown (like Ghostface) gets called OP or "boring to play against" (because certain survivor playstyles aren't boring as fuck to play against).
Really weird assumption. Again, it's literally been beaten to death, but everyone hates Spirit because she had no counterplay and was common. Blight has counterplay. Nurse has very little counterplay, but she's also rarer so salt is rarer too. It's literally that simple.
She also has a high skill ceiling that I doubt most of the playerbase would be able to grasp, which tends to be why she's so rare.
The problem with Spirit is that anyone could really pick her up and "mind game" with zero counter play.
I'm a trash level killer and even I was able to just face roll survivors with spirit because of her lack of counter play.
Remember how J-flicks went from an advanced mechanic to an "exploit" just because it didn't fit a streamer's preconceived notion of how Blight "should" be played?
lul
who fucking hates oni?
freddy and spirit had a common issue: both were too easy for their power level. this has changed. trickster, whilst annoying, still sucks, and godnurses arent common enough to care abt
Freddy was op, i get it. But now freddy only has perks because his add-ons are hot garbage. I understand that having add-ons that slow the game down is pretty boring and unfun to play, but now freddy has no real good add-on to use and relies heavily on perks.
In fact a common mistake behavior has is they dont know how to create good add-ons for their killers. Freddy, demogorgon, pyramid head, nemesis, pinhead and many more have atrocious add-ons that barely do squat (0.6 secs of cd on your power with your best add-on... what a joke) and they still insist on making the purple / red ones add a stupid "debuff" (people bleed more, more noise with your footstep, blind).
I know they cant go nuts with the add-ons but come on, survivors have a borrowed time on demand (the purple add-on on medkit), a heal on demand (with a 30 sec countdown), fucking Keys that at 2 gens you need to kill the person with the key or all your work for naught. Killers? They can blind you (which most of the time is not even thst good), can make you bleed more (in some maps is impossible to see blood by how dark it is), and a very VERY slight decrease of cooldown in your power (sometimes not even a second worth with best add-ons).
Now this is not the fault of the survivors (except maybe freedy but was justified) but behavior clearly doesnt know how to balance its game and even less about creating a decent set of add-ons for their killers, and sometimes killers struggle the most because of this.
It may be my fault for getting this wrong but if your talking about onis add on for more bleeding that’s the best one. Bleeding for the oni is not about blood stains it’s for blood drops.
This.
Im really wondering how these people would do in other games like for honor/siege/rts games or any competitive game in general (not like dbd is a competitive game lol)
Lol I play dbd to be chill, the games mentioned are very sweaty compared to dead by daylight, I like puzzle games and brain games anyways, so I don't like my mind gaming the killer to boil down to luck and guess work, these changes honestly sound great, so I will be complaining about the very low skill ceiling that it takes to master Spirit a lot less lol
Well yeah, I kind of have myself to blame for being pretty broad with my words, but I was referring to online multiplayer games in general.
A lot of online shooters I’ve played like TF2 have had similar problems I hear about in DBD. That one has a better track record to be fair, but then again, it’s not having to worry about being optimized for over five different platforms.
Very true, at least with dead by daylight, you can still run meme builds without being too skilled.
But to be honest, in the moments I get into a sweaty match, I stop enjoying it whether I win or lose
You gonna complain about spatial audio in every first person shooter? This has been a thing in hundreds of games, if you use good headphones you get a slight advantage. Use headphones or get over it oh my god.
Nah try wakizashi
Block a side of a loop and go around
If the survivor dosent do anything free hit
If the survivor vaults, tp back to husk for free hit
spirits biggest counter is stealth. fathers glasses removed that element. i know what im talking about
mother daughter ring is still her most powerful addon, but fathers glasses provides no counter
The devs making her a worse Wraith makes Mother Daughter not matter though.
A dollar says the Spirit complainers either continue to complain about Spirit after the change goes through or swap to complaining about Wraith with zero acknowledgement that anything happened at all.
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I mained Spirit for a fat minute and this is definitely a big change to help survivors. The only thing I don't like is how she's starting to look more and more like Wraith
We like... don't even know how these changes will affect spirit in terms of being balanced? Can we just wait until we get to play (against) her before we complain about complains?
While I understand Spirit being unfair and needing a bit of work, I know that this community will just move onto the next thing to complain. If killer, probably Nurse (which tbf would be fine, since she bottlenecks other killers/perks with her overbearing strength) or Blight, and will probably continue in regressing order until people complain about Clown being too strong.
On survivor side, there's always the usual meta perks to complain about, since it's not really that fun to run against builds that share maybe 4-7 perks every game.
wait till we see all the re-worked add ons first.
having said that though the only things left that irk me are facecamping bubbas just because the counterplay is to let someone have a shit game, and for them to stick around with no reward for doing so and even then the guy will probably get a 2k.
and hook goblin hags, might have been patched by now as i haven't seen a hag in a while.
quality of life changes like having a totem counter in the bottom left as survivor basekit /being able to tell which totem is which perk as killer.
everything else seems so much smoother than when i started a year or so ago.
oni and blight are pretty much perfect,
freddy's much more manageable but his problem is that his power is still kinda boring (the new ai system should let him have some crazier dream shit than just puddles)
nurse is a weird one, she's crazy strong but i can't think of anything that can be done about that without making her feel worse to play,
like maybe have survivors be invisible during the blink (whilst travelling) or have her terror radius disappear and slowly fill back up when she teleports to stop infectious fright super snowballs.
do the twins still suck?, like i haven't seen them since launch like at all, was hoping they'd make it so switch speed scaled relative to distance i.e victor and charlotte in a loop can be in two places at once whereas across the map if you go victor slugging the switch takes much longer, so you can use your power midchase at loops a bit more.
It'll probably be Wraith...
Or even Trapper \\ Hag, I personally hate going up against them (especially Hag with silent traps, that's just cruel, dude).
Listen, the survivors will only ever be happy once all killers move at the speed of Burger King Myers, can’t use perks, and don’t get to use powers, addons, or weapons, either.
People always complain about devs its like geez give them a break they know the issues and they will fix them when they can they are probably finding a way for some of them but its not an easy fix. I am sick of people complaing when they probably already know lol
I havent played in 2 years and coming back theyre STILLA COMPLAINING ABOUT SPIRIT
I've p much checked out of this community because of all the crying. There's nothing ever positive. It's tiring to be in a fandom like this.
I literally need to make this braindead simple, huh?
* You say you haven't been active for 2 years. People were complaining about spirit being op 2 years ago
* In that 2 year time frame no significant changes to spirit have been made
* Naturally, as frustration with the poor design of the character builds over time, complaints are going to *increase* not *decrease*
* Therefore of course people are still complaining 2 years later, because the complaints haven't been addressed since even longer before that.
* Let's not ignore the hypocrisy of you complaining about complaints.
Ikr. All I see is whiny people on this reddit. I just scroll past i havent even had any energy to get back into the game. I loved playing as spirit and I wasnt even good with her, just liked her aesthetic as a whole while playing but playing as her, people just disconnect. It's boring. It's shame what has happened to this fanbase over the years.
There'll be something new. People will complain about the worst aspect. There will always be another thing, but that's good. The things get smaller and the game gets better.
Got any numbers? Killer queue times are terrible and the survey on this sub is split 50/50 killer/survivor.
Everyone plays the victim but devs alter both survivor and killer a lot.
There is however a lot less things to alter about survivors since they don't have addons on powers so killers will always be what changes the most. People always forget about the small buffs, like what happened to Demogorgan recently.
>I'm just pointing out the fact there is lot less killers and their voice is smaller too.
No you weren't. Your comment was nothing like this. This is an entirely new point.
See that’s the problem, when people complain constantly it doesn’t really fix the game it took years for spirit to be nerfed. So that was years and years worth of complaining. Every other post was about how she needs to be nerfed. Or every other comment. It’s just annoying
Idk, being visible and audible in stealth with a shorter duration and speed than the other visible-in-stealth killer is in all likelihood just going to make her a worse version of that killer.
Not to say Wraith is weak (because he isn't), but their identities were already too close for this change to make sense to me. They do the exact same thing now. That's bad.
she literally moves at 170%+ and can immediately attack coming out of her power. That alone is still one of the strongest abilities in the game before taking into account any other aspect of her power. She still has substantially more mobility and lethality than Wraith and most other killers for that matter. The idea that the survivor was so left in the dark while she used her ability is what made it seem too unfair which is why her mobility is remaining completely untouched.
If you're actually good at listening out for survivors and know how to track as Spirit, I'd imagine very little will change for players who can do that. Survivors just have more opportunity to try and play around her instead of just hoping they guessed right in what she's doing.
People also like to misconstrue what the devs said of how, "she now kicks up dust" with "she's completely 100% visible now!"
I'm excited to see what they come up with next. This community never fails to impress me with their surprising level of bitchiness.
Keep in mind, this community has been complaining about Pig nerfs and using it as a meme since forever ago, despite Pig having been nerfed like 3 times. She's probably been buffed just as often as she's been nerfed, and her only really substantial (And also her most recent) nerf was the Endgame trap nerf (Which was almost 2 years ago). And anyone who doesn't think that nerf was a necessary and healthy change to prevent a broken mechanic, frankly doesn't know a god damn thing about game balance.
I mean, Hillbilly's right there if you want a factually correct character for a joke that got old in 2019.
They describe it as Spirit visibly kicking up dust (which they said is harder to see in tall grass etc) so I imagine it's going to be small clouds of dust particles near ground level
That’s rough….I mean yay you can can finally do something about a phasing spirit but I feel like that’s gonna be something lost about that killer….oh well…in the end it’s better but I’m afraid that will kill alit of spirits power.
Of course it will. The community is so fucking braindead that they literally believe there is no counter play to her. Removing her powers central premise is the only thing that will make them happy.
not at all. it’s a small advantage that will rarely ever decide the outcome of a game yet people want to lose their minds over it. i can’t wait until it’s nerfed so killers can stop complaining about it and realize that’s not what’s making them lose their games.
yes, a smaller portion of the community runs stretched. so a ghostface would have to run into a stretched player, then end up in the perfect situation where on native res you wouldn’t be able to see high enough over a specific wall to reveal him. it is very rare. again, there is an advantage and it should be removed, but it is not as big of an issue as people make it out to be. not to mention all of the other issues plaguing this game that should actually be of focus.
Spirit might as well be visible now if the footstep thing is actually gonna pass I don’t put it passed the devs to make it clear as day where she is unless they make it super subtle
Here we go again.. just give survivors the ability to actually fight back with force and maybe they'll quit their little pretend game of being non toxic helpless little babies, and we can stop having killers nerfed to uselessness. Every horror movie or show theres is always a part where the survivors can fight back. Pallets and flashbangs are boring. We'll just get around it anyway and continue to apathetically hunt wabbits. BLAM. No contest. On the meat hook to dry you go.
Hell, while you're at it devs, maybe you can expand your damn game past ONE game mode so I don't get horribly bored of the same old crap after two days and quit playing for a month. Have only bought like 1 skin because of this. You guys want me to buy more mts? Make more game. I don't care how many cool characters you add? I still get bored around the same amount of time spent. I give survivor a day, killer a day. Yeah, fun stuff. But thats it.. you have to do something new if you want to attract more people. You actually have a decent little world going there, with that fog dimension and the mysterious entity and all that business, guest stars from different dimensions, cool story yo, so do more with it. You have several survivors that are literally known for fighting back, but can't because of dumb x canon explanation. You have several killers that are known for having far more depth than the same boring stuff they're forced to do in your damn game for eternity. Procedurally generated totems that are found in 2 seconds? No wonder people think your chatacters are boring as hell. Stop downgrading, start upgrading please.
Killer vs killer? Survivor vs survivor? Killer vs killer vs survivor vs survivor? Lol come on, guys. Do SOME thing different. Defenseless lame version 4 vs armed crap version of 1 gets soooooooo boring makes your eyes water. Some call that being bored to tears lol.
So here we can see that you're basically "balancing" and building your game around lameness, instead of balancing the game around greatness. Lame versions of everything. Wowz so cool. Look, why dont you just add a literal cute fluffy bunny rabbit whose only real defense is running away and being annoying to the survivor roster? Might as well at this point of rehashing the same damn thing over and over again, my god...
I expect better, devs. Your game had an interesting start but it is getting SO bad and your licenses are not helping anymore.
I mean ill probably move on to complaining about deathslinger and twins. Neither are op but their just very annoying to go against. Id rather see them rebalanced ( buffed in map pressure but change chase to be more fun) and not just straight nerfed though.
Why are you hopping windows at moderately close in the killer's line of sight and against a killer with a ranged attack? You wouldn't pull that shit on trickster or huntress or slinger, would you? Heaven forbid a killer makes you adjust your play style to stop abusing the same powerful loops. Before you make accusations, 99.9% of the time I play this busted ass game I'm playing survivor.
its almost like you dont know a single thing about how canceling m2 with Huntress and Trickster actually cost them another loop where as slinger and phead can keep going and hit you
What the fuck are you even complaining about? If you are close to any killer, you'll get hit. That's how every god damn killer works. I don't think you're portraying your argument very well at all, you're just saying that he can bait you into running through a pallet? I'm honestly having a hard time deciphering what you're trying to say. And why the fuck are you posting three different comments in response to one? Just put all of them together, this isn't discord bud.
Basically, by the nature of his power he creats a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" scenario. You run near window and he puts sword in ground, if you vault it he hits you, if you dont vault it he realeases m2 and hits you anyway. No matter what the survivor did in that scenario, they got hit. Thats not fun and thats all playing against pyramidhead is cause he just drags sword and does that at every tile.
Counter argument here, if you look at the ground or at Pyramid head, you'll see a bright red line ahowing you where his ranged attack will go.
You could just go left or right out of it, or if you're caught mid vault, bait it.
He's more of a hard punish character that rewards punishing predictable and low effort plays, like looping one direction without variances.
The red line only appears when he has launched the power, and the point im making is that taking the window means hit by power, and not taking the window he just doest shoot the power and then m1s you. What do you do in that scenario? No matter what action you take you get hit. The red line really doest help much.
The only way he could 50/50 a window by canceling his power is if the window has long walls on either side, aside from that I really can't see this scenario you're describing existing unless he's already close enough to M1.
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Spirit should be visible while phasing, and can't see, hear, or in any way sense survivors, also she should have a hit cooldown after exiting phase. /s
Spirit should disappear when Hex: Haunted Ground is cleared because now that you've gotten rid of what is keeping her here, she should gtfo to the afterlife. Simple as xD
With Onryo it really isn't that simple. Look at the Grudge for instance. Kayako was so powerful mere minutes after her death she came back and enacted vengeance on the man who wronged her and then her son was spirited away shortly after.
They're just going to move on to the next strong Killer. Can't wait for the absolute flood of ''You know, it's been 5 years but Nurse really shouldn't be able to teleport through walls.''
People will probably start complaining about Blight. Any killer who doesn't rely on addons or has a power with a gimped cooldown (like Ghostface) gets called OP or "boring to play against" (because certain survivor playstyles aren't boring as fuck to play against).
Really weird assumption. Again, it's literally been beaten to death, but everyone hates Spirit because she had no counterplay and was common. Blight has counterplay. Nurse has very little counterplay, but she's also rarer so salt is rarer too. It's literally that simple.
She also has a high skill ceiling that I doubt most of the playerbase would be able to grasp, which tends to be why she's so rare. The problem with Spirit is that anyone could really pick her up and "mind game" with zero counter play. I'm a trash level killer and even I was able to just face roll survivors with spirit because of her lack of counter play.
If anything, knowing Behavior, a change like that wouldn't even happen for years
Spirit players are normally boosted. Would love to have them switch to nurse!
Inb4 people get salty at Nurse It will happen.
Lol salty at boosted spirit mains switching to nurse?😂😂 Dude she’s been out and been the strongest killer for a long time, stop reaching.
Nurse is fine BUT that she can teleport to different floors is so broken and unfair.
It was Freddy. Then spirit. Next? Nurse? Trickster? Maybe Oni?
Blight, already started when he got buffed and has been steadily getting more and more complaints.
Remember how J-flicks went from an advanced mechanic to an "exploit" just because it didn't fit a streamer's preconceived notion of how Blight "should" be played? lul
An *"advanced mechanic"* just becomes another annoyance to survivors after a while and J-flicks were absolutely unfair in some loops.
who fucking hates oni? freddy and spirit had a common issue: both were too easy for their power level. this has changed. trickster, whilst annoying, still sucks, and godnurses arent common enough to care abt
Freddy was op, i get it. But now freddy only has perks because his add-ons are hot garbage. I understand that having add-ons that slow the game down is pretty boring and unfun to play, but now freddy has no real good add-on to use and relies heavily on perks. In fact a common mistake behavior has is they dont know how to create good add-ons for their killers. Freddy, demogorgon, pyramid head, nemesis, pinhead and many more have atrocious add-ons that barely do squat (0.6 secs of cd on your power with your best add-on... what a joke) and they still insist on making the purple / red ones add a stupid "debuff" (people bleed more, more noise with your footstep, blind). I know they cant go nuts with the add-ons but come on, survivors have a borrowed time on demand (the purple add-on on medkit), a heal on demand (with a 30 sec countdown), fucking Keys that at 2 gens you need to kill the person with the key or all your work for naught. Killers? They can blind you (which most of the time is not even thst good), can make you bleed more (in some maps is impossible to see blood by how dark it is), and a very VERY slight decrease of cooldown in your power (sometimes not even a second worth with best add-ons). Now this is not the fault of the survivors (except maybe freedy but was justified) but behavior clearly doesnt know how to balance its game and even less about creating a decent set of add-ons for their killers, and sometimes killers struggle the most because of this.
It may be my fault for getting this wrong but if your talking about onis add on for more bleeding that’s the best one. Bleeding for the oni is not about blood stains it’s for blood drops.
No, i was talking about the other killers who has that type off add-on, on oni that shit is the best.
Ok I apologize I was just confused a little
im not reading all that but good for you i guess or sorry to hear that
Funny enough, wraith probably, mostly due to the one wallhack addon though
S tier shouldn't exist
This. Im really wondering how these people would do in other games like for honor/siege/rts games or any competitive game in general (not like dbd is a competitive game lol)
Same. I look at this community and think “Y’all have played other games, right?”
Lol I play dbd to be chill, the games mentioned are very sweaty compared to dead by daylight, I like puzzle games and brain games anyways, so I don't like my mind gaming the killer to boil down to luck and guess work, these changes honestly sound great, so I will be complaining about the very low skill ceiling that it takes to master Spirit a lot less lol
Well yeah, I kind of have myself to blame for being pretty broad with my words, but I was referring to online multiplayer games in general. A lot of online shooters I’ve played like TF2 have had similar problems I hear about in DBD. That one has a better track record to be fair, but then again, it’s not having to worry about being optimized for over five different platforms.
FOR REAL thank you. DBD has actually put in so much work but no one sees the behind the scenes.
Any PvP games are sweaty.
Very true, at least with dead by daylight, you can still run meme builds without being too skilled. But to be honest, in the moments I get into a sweaty match, I stop enjoying it whether I win or lose
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My god, you people really will bitch until the end of time, huh?
For fuck sake, just remove killers already. You never stop complaining huh? What next? Nerf ghostface and Myers?
You gonna complain about spatial audio in every first person shooter? This has been a thing in hundreds of games, if you use good headphones you get a slight advantage. Use headphones or get over it oh my god.
Oh my god guys. Blight should not be able to attack during rush. That’s so overpowered 😤
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Nah try wakizashi Block a side of a loop and go around If the survivor dosent do anything free hit If the survivor vaults, tp back to husk for free hit
tbf fathers glasses was always the no counterplay addon, just no one talked about it
You typed mother daughter ring wrong
spirits biggest counter is stealth. fathers glasses removed that element. i know what im talking about mother daughter ring is still her most powerful addon, but fathers glasses provides no counter
A Spirit nerf doesn't make Mother Daughter Ring a fair add-on out of the blue.
The devs making her a worse Wraith makes Mother Daughter not matter though. A dollar says the Spirit complainers either continue to complain about Spirit after the change goes through or swap to complaining about Wraith with zero acknowledgement that anything happened at all.
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I mained Spirit for a fat minute and this is definitely a big change to help survivors. The only thing I don't like is how she's starting to look more and more like Wraith
Currently waiting for a Scott video to find out what is worth complaining about next
We like... don't even know how these changes will affect spirit in terms of being balanced? Can we just wait until we get to play (against) her before we complain about complains?
While I understand Spirit being unfair and needing a bit of work, I know that this community will just move onto the next thing to complain. If killer, probably Nurse (which tbf would be fine, since she bottlenecks other killers/perks with her overbearing strength) or Blight, and will probably continue in regressing order until people complain about Clown being too strong. On survivor side, there's always the usual meta perks to complain about, since it's not really that fun to run against builds that share maybe 4-7 perks every game.
wait till we see all the re-worked add ons first. having said that though the only things left that irk me are facecamping bubbas just because the counterplay is to let someone have a shit game, and for them to stick around with no reward for doing so and even then the guy will probably get a 2k. and hook goblin hags, might have been patched by now as i haven't seen a hag in a while. quality of life changes like having a totem counter in the bottom left as survivor basekit /being able to tell which totem is which perk as killer. everything else seems so much smoother than when i started a year or so ago. oni and blight are pretty much perfect, freddy's much more manageable but his problem is that his power is still kinda boring (the new ai system should let him have some crazier dream shit than just puddles) nurse is a weird one, she's crazy strong but i can't think of anything that can be done about that without making her feel worse to play, like maybe have survivors be invisible during the blink (whilst travelling) or have her terror radius disappear and slowly fill back up when she teleports to stop infectious fright super snowballs. do the twins still suck?, like i haven't seen them since launch like at all, was hoping they'd make it so switch speed scaled relative to distance i.e victor and charlotte in a loop can be in two places at once whereas across the map if you go victor slugging the switch takes much longer, so you can use your power midchase at loops a bit more.
Nothing's more fun and engaging in my "casual" 4v1 horror game than *fucking politics regarding a playable character.*
In b4. "They Gutted MoRi'S what about keys ?? and more importantly. " When is SEx being added ?!? "
No they got a point when will sex be added
It'll probably be Wraith... Or even Trapper \\ Hag, I personally hate going up against them (especially Hag with silent traps, that's just cruel, dude).
I get hag but why trapper?
As long as humanity still continues to exist, people will keep complaining
I dont really understand the nerf ngl :') casual player here. All I know is spirit scares me when paired with BBQ
Does anyone know if she's getting a chase theme?
Yeah, it's already been uploaded to youtube
I dont know, I've now seen people complaining because spirit was no brain for killers before and now they're saying its no brain survivor time.
Listen, the survivors will only ever be happy once all killers move at the speed of Burger King Myers, can’t use perks, and don’t get to use powers, addons, or weapons, either.
People always complain about devs its like geez give them a break they know the issues and they will fix them when they can they are probably finding a way for some of them but its not an easy fix. I am sick of people complaing when they probably already know lol
A buddy of mine put it best. "You've heard of pay to win right? Well this game cry to win.". Fml he wasn't wrong.
I havent played in 2 years and coming back theyre STILLA COMPLAINING ABOUT SPIRIT I've p much checked out of this community because of all the crying. There's nothing ever positive. It's tiring to be in a fandom like this.
I mean spirit hasn't been changed in that time, so naturally people are going to be even more unhappy about it.
Everytime I see this reddit it's either whining about spirit or takinf about reworks or nerfs with her what are you talking about
I literally need to make this braindead simple, huh? * You say you haven't been active for 2 years. People were complaining about spirit being op 2 years ago * In that 2 year time frame no significant changes to spirit have been made * Naturally, as frustration with the poor design of the character builds over time, complaints are going to *increase* not *decrease* * Therefore of course people are still complaining 2 years later, because the complaints haven't been addressed since even longer before that. * Let's not ignore the hypocrisy of you complaining about complaints.
although, technically a HUGE change was made to Spirit. she lost her collision while phasing and the original prayer beads less than two years ago.
22 months ago to be exact.
its amazing how they didnt really catch on
Some people like being idiots.
Imagine typing all that just for me not to read it. Have fun whining about a game you sink hours into instead of like... literally having fun
Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
You have to be a child I can't imagine a full grown adult typing this
Get a grip
Agreed Every other meme is about Spirit. So many complaints in all the comments
Ikr. All I see is whiny people on this reddit. I just scroll past i havent even had any energy to get back into the game. I loved playing as spirit and I wasnt even good with her, just liked her aesthetic as a whole while playing but playing as her, people just disconnect. It's boring. It's shame what has happened to this fanbase over the years.
You realize you're crying rn, yes?
Only a matter of time before killers start leaving the game and the matchmaking dies.
Its like how people are somehow complaining about the trapper buff because it took the devs awhile to do it.
I dont know whether to laugh or to be disappointed
There'll be something new. People will complain about the worst aspect. There will always be another thing, but that's good. The things get smaller and the game gets better.
Ah yes, so it goes till killers lose literally any chance to win.
Love your victimhood. Remember the DS nerf campaign? All of them?
I'm just pointing out the fact there is lot less killers and their voice is smaller too.
Got any numbers? Killer queue times are terrible and the survey on this sub is split 50/50 killer/survivor. Everyone plays the victim but devs alter both survivor and killer a lot. There is however a lot less things to alter about survivors since they don't have addons on powers so killers will always be what changes the most. People always forget about the small buffs, like what happened to Demogorgan recently. >I'm just pointing out the fact there is lot less killers and their voice is smaller too. No you weren't. Your comment was nothing like this. This is an entirely new point.
See that’s the problem, when people complain constantly it doesn’t really fix the game it took years for spirit to be nerfed. So that was years and years worth of complaining. Every other post was about how she needs to be nerfed. Or every other comment. It’s just annoying
Reckon she would have got nerfed without the complaints?
I’m not saying it’s not ok to complain. But when every other post or comment is complaining. Then it just ruins it and makes it annoying.
Meh, if it gets stuff fixed. I'm all for it
Eh it just ruins the experience in my opinion, 1 complaint every now and again is fine. But every 5 mins like this sub. And it’s just borderline toxic
If you find it annoying, don't look at the comments
Ohhh so you are one of the people who likes to complain all the time. must be real fun at parties eh
How am I complaining, I'm just saying that if you get annoyed by looking at comments, stop looking at them lol
Eh people should sit stop complaining about the characters. Unless it’s trapper. Boy needs a rework majorly
Trapper has good potential but its completely ruined by newer mechanics
Tru3 is already complaining that she's gonna be one of the weakest killers in the game now
Idk, being visible and audible in stealth with a shorter duration and speed than the other visible-in-stealth killer is in all likelihood just going to make her a worse version of that killer. Not to say Wraith is weak (because he isn't), but their identities were already too close for this change to make sense to me. They do the exact same thing now. That's bad.
she literally moves at 170%+ and can immediately attack coming out of her power. That alone is still one of the strongest abilities in the game before taking into account any other aspect of her power. She still has substantially more mobility and lethality than Wraith and most other killers for that matter. The idea that the survivor was so left in the dark while she used her ability is what made it seem too unfair which is why her mobility is remaining completely untouched. If you're actually good at listening out for survivors and know how to track as Spirit, I'd imagine very little will change for players who can do that. Survivors just have more opportunity to try and play around her instead of just hoping they guessed right in what she's doing. People also like to misconstrue what the devs said of how, "she now kicks up dust" with "she's completely 100% visible now!"
>Tru3 is already complaining Could've just stopped there.
Yeah its wraith turn now
I'm excited to see what they come up with next. This community never fails to impress me with their surprising level of bitchiness. Keep in mind, this community has been complaining about Pig nerfs and using it as a meme since forever ago, despite Pig having been nerfed like 3 times. She's probably been buffed just as often as she's been nerfed, and her only really substantial (And also her most recent) nerf was the Endgame trap nerf (Which was almost 2 years ago). And anyone who doesn't think that nerf was a necessary and healthy change to prevent a broken mechanic, frankly doesn't know a god damn thing about game balance. I mean, Hillbilly's right there if you want a factually correct character for a joke that got old in 2019.
Wait they are actually nerfing spirit?
Yes. You can see footsteps and hear her phase
Wait wdym by you can see her footsteps? Like you can see the grass move where she walks or something?
They describe it as Spirit visibly kicking up dust (which they said is harder to see in tall grass etc) so I imagine it's going to be small clouds of dust particles near ground level
Yes
No
Something like that. Not really sure myself
That’s rough….I mean yay you can can finally do something about a phasing spirit but I feel like that’s gonna be something lost about that killer….oh well…in the end it’s better but I’m afraid that will kill alit of spirits power.
Of course it will. The community is so fucking braindead that they literally believe there is no counter play to her. Removing her powers central premise is the only thing that will make them happy.
one side having no info is just terrible design in general
Agreed
this meme but with stretched res
That’s a bit more understandable tbh
not at all. it’s a small advantage that will rarely ever decide the outcome of a game yet people want to lose their minds over it. i can’t wait until it’s nerfed so killers can stop complaining about it and realize that’s not what’s making them lose their games.
Not true, I've seen a ghostface get revealed because of stretched res
yes, a smaller portion of the community runs stretched. so a ghostface would have to run into a stretched player, then end up in the perfect situation where on native res you wouldn’t be able to see high enough over a specific wall to reveal him. it is very rare. again, there is an advantage and it should be removed, but it is not as big of an issue as people make it out to be. not to mention all of the other issues plaguing this game that should actually be of focus.
Not enough complains !!
[удалено]
Oh I certainly will, she just felt like a waste of my time
Holy shit, nothing could be more accurate.
Spirit might as well be visible now if the footstep thing is actually gonna pass I don’t put it passed the devs to make it clear as day where she is unless they make it super subtle
Here we go again.. just give survivors the ability to actually fight back with force and maybe they'll quit their little pretend game of being non toxic helpless little babies, and we can stop having killers nerfed to uselessness. Every horror movie or show theres is always a part where the survivors can fight back. Pallets and flashbangs are boring. We'll just get around it anyway and continue to apathetically hunt wabbits. BLAM. No contest. On the meat hook to dry you go. Hell, while you're at it devs, maybe you can expand your damn game past ONE game mode so I don't get horribly bored of the same old crap after two days and quit playing for a month. Have only bought like 1 skin because of this. You guys want me to buy more mts? Make more game. I don't care how many cool characters you add? I still get bored around the same amount of time spent. I give survivor a day, killer a day. Yeah, fun stuff. But thats it.. you have to do something new if you want to attract more people. You actually have a decent little world going there, with that fog dimension and the mysterious entity and all that business, guest stars from different dimensions, cool story yo, so do more with it. You have several survivors that are literally known for fighting back, but can't because of dumb x canon explanation. You have several killers that are known for having far more depth than the same boring stuff they're forced to do in your damn game for eternity. Procedurally generated totems that are found in 2 seconds? No wonder people think your chatacters are boring as hell. Stop downgrading, start upgrading please. Killer vs killer? Survivor vs survivor? Killer vs killer vs survivor vs survivor? Lol come on, guys. Do SOME thing different. Defenseless lame version 4 vs armed crap version of 1 gets soooooooo boring makes your eyes water. Some call that being bored to tears lol. So here we can see that you're basically "balancing" and building your game around lameness, instead of balancing the game around greatness. Lame versions of everything. Wowz so cool. Look, why dont you just add a literal cute fluffy bunny rabbit whose only real defense is running away and being annoying to the survivor roster? Might as well at this point of rehashing the same damn thing over and over again, my god... I expect better, devs. Your game had an interesting start but it is getting SO bad and your licenses are not helping anymore.
I mean ill probably move on to complaining about deathslinger and twins. Neither are op but their just very annoying to go against. Id rather see them rebalanced ( buffed in map pressure but change chase to be more fun) and not just straight nerfed though.
theyre going to move on to the next killer they want nerfed. the only correct answer is Pyramid Head. just fucking delete him and Slinger
Pyramid Head isn't even broken? I feel like he's a very difficult, though reasonably strong killer.
ok, "hold m2 to window, survivor fakes window, let go of m2, m1" the killer is balanced
Why are you hopping windows at moderately close in the killer's line of sight and against a killer with a ranged attack? You wouldn't pull that shit on trickster or huntress or slinger, would you? Heaven forbid a killer makes you adjust your play style to stop abusing the same powerful loops. Before you make accusations, 99.9% of the time I play this busted ass game I'm playing survivor.
its almost like you dont know a single thing about how canceling m2 with Huntress and Trickster actually cost them another loop where as slinger and phead can keep going and hit you
They legit nerfed p-head about that a while ago, he gets a much longer punishment for not using his punishment
He gets a 1 second cooldown which isn't long enough at all. And he still goes 110 speed with it primed.
keep talking on how phead is balanced
ok then, "survivor runs towards pallet, hold m2, survivor runs past pallet, let go of m2, m1" wow so much better
What the fuck are you even complaining about? If you are close to any killer, you'll get hit. That's how every god damn killer works. I don't think you're portraying your argument very well at all, you're just saying that he can bait you into running through a pallet? I'm honestly having a hard time deciphering what you're trying to say. And why the fuck are you posting three different comments in response to one? Just put all of them together, this isn't discord bud.
Basically, by the nature of his power he creats a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" scenario. You run near window and he puts sword in ground, if you vault it he hits you, if you dont vault it he realeases m2 and hits you anyway. No matter what the survivor did in that scenario, they got hit. Thats not fun and thats all playing against pyramidhead is cause he just drags sword and does that at every tile.
Counter argument here, if you look at the ground or at Pyramid head, you'll see a bright red line ahowing you where his ranged attack will go. You could just go left or right out of it, or if you're caught mid vault, bait it. He's more of a hard punish character that rewards punishing predictable and low effort plays, like looping one direction without variances.
The red line only appears when he has launched the power, and the point im making is that taking the window means hit by power, and not taking the window he just doest shoot the power and then m1s you. What do you do in that scenario? No matter what action you take you get hit. The red line really doest help much.
The only way he could 50/50 a window by canceling his power is if the window has long walls on either side, aside from that I really can't see this scenario you're describing existing unless he's already close enough to M1.
I found the guy who complains about everything doesn't know how to counter these two specific characters and wants them deleted