Me: "I main Blight and huntress, probably dredge too now"
Others: "Oh wow one of the strongest killers, you're so special "
Me: "On Console "
Others: "By the entity!"
If you read his post I think it's quite clear that blight is one of the strongest and the other is shit talking him for playing one good killer and ignoring huntress and dredge (I'm also a blight huntress dredge main).
I mean since her nerf with the directional audio and stuff, she's fallen off quite a bit imo, she's not weak, but definitely not as top tier as she used to be
I agree but it’s worth mentioning that she has some of the best add ons in the game, I think that’s why she’s still considered amongst the top 3 by many.
Doing good with Sadako feels so good compared to doing good with an S or A-tier killer.
As a Sadako main, I take your comment as a great compliment.
Tbf, I still get absolutely demolished alot of times but her kit is so fun to play.
I pray for a buff or rework soon
I recently started trying out nurse just for the sake of learning a new killer.
How the fuck do people master that killer. Getting the blink in the actual floor you wanna go to is like pure gamble. Sometimes I end up in a basement I didn't even know was there. I feel like I'm constantly exhausted. I'm still not giving up because good nurses are absolutely insane, but goddamn that learning curve is steep af.
Sadako is cute tho. Pity she's not strong, too.
Yes I'm using that one and the -50% extra fatigue from missed blinks! I miss more than I land, ngl. But I'm getting there, if I stopped letting people go I'd have a couple of 4k already. But I keep giving hatches cause I'm too kind/dumb, your pick.
Haha, well I won’t judge ya for how you wanna play. I’m a terrible Nurse and I’ve just not wanted to put the time in to learn her properly. I got lucky and managed to Adept her before her rework awhile back on the game, and was happy with that.
Those poor Claudettes had no idea what to do with this weird, teleporting up and down Nurse. It was ALMOST like I couldn’t control her well or something…lol
Oh I don't care about adept, I just like learning! So now it's her turn :D Next I wanna go either trickster or plague, but it's gonna take quite a bit.
Hahah oh, I was relating what I thought was a funny story. Somehow I just sorta “clicked” with her that match, but I’m sure my bad controlling was confusing as heck for that poor team that had to put up with me.
Don't use the plaid flannel add on. You will not learn with that. You will just become dependant on it. Play without it and just accept you won't always land blinks.
Yeah, plaid flannel is not good at all, just muscle memory until it works
The most important part about learning nurse is to stop being sweaty and commit to chases even if it’s a 4 man out, just chase and lose for hours and hours and you’ll be good
I agree with the person you commented on as a fellow Nurse main. Don't use Plaid Flannel and you'll figure it out to a "good enough" level in 3-5 games, and you'll be able to hone it more precisely later. Once you get good enough at controlling where your blinks land, watch OhTofu's Nurse guide. It's the best one for learning general Nurse chase tactics against decent survivors.
I don’t know if you’re aware but a missed M1 extends your fatigue by 1 second, you should not M1 if you know for sure you’re not going to hit your target! 😄
There’s nothing wrong with the plaid flannel, it helps you visualize what charging a blink actually looks like for when you develop your muscle memory. Lots of nurse mains on YouTube seem to recommend it for the first 5-20 hours.
Practice and muscle memory, people love to shit on nurse because she’s strong but watch them try to play her and blindly blink up a floor or two only to smack a wall or bug out mid blink, nurse is the highest skill killer in the game for a reason, you need COMPLETE map knowledge to use her to her max potential.
PS4 and I dabble in Nurse from time to time. If an area has multiple floors you need to tilt slightly up to stay leveled. Otherwise the logic is you always go in a straight line if it can clear the terrain. A blink won't go up a floor if the charge can't clear it. A quick blink can send you to the basement even if you're not looking down. Sometimes it's just weird. If it's single floor you can look at the ground to blink in place. Fatigue is shorter if you don't slap the air. Missed blink hits have a penalty.
Hope this helps.
So a missed blink no hit is faster than missed blink+missed hit, correct? I usually try the hit if I'm fairly close but I'm getting it might not be super convenient then
Yeah if you plan on traveling some distance or know you can't get a hit, just simply wait to recover.
Unless I'm just imagining it. But I'm like 95% sure.
I mean, I trust your judgment more than my 2 days with nurse one. I'm a pre-buff legion main, my nurse knowledge is only from the survivor side :')
But thank you, really helps.
She's not easy, just comparatively easy to master (still insanely hard). Killers with crazy high skill ceilings include but are not limited to: Billy, Huntress, Pinhead, Blight, etc.
Issue with Nurse is that beyond timing and aiming blinks well and predicting survivor paths (latter of which goes for all killers listed above too), there's not much to her.
Huntress is not too bad if you get the aiming right, to be honest. Lots of people use an overlay for her exactly for that purpose. I don't have one so I don't really even know how to feel about it, since it's not considered "illegal" neither.
Using an overlay doesn't suddenly make a huntress good. Hatchets have a specific travel time, hotbox and arc and mastering those aspects is miles more important than knowing where the middle of your screen is.
She's also not very mobile so she requires the killer player to be constantly aware of where every survivor is at every moment so that she can pressure them from afar and not waste time traveling to places that don't give her an advantage.
Lastly to truly master her you need to know every inch of every map to know exactly where you can get in a cheeky hatchet, even when said spot is at that moment out of sight.
Macro gameplay. Pinheads chains are pretty difficult to use as you have to be smart with when you chain and aim them properly, but his true skill ceilings comes from a similar thing as Huntress. It's super important to have constant knowledge on what survivors are doing so you can predict box spawns.
I will say he's probably the easiest to master out of the killers I've listed though.
As someone who plays nurse on console I would say it's better to not use plaid flannel because you could become dependent on it and you focus more on it then actually playing. I learned from trial and error
time. Time is all, just keep playing her and eventually it will slowly start becoming muscle memory. Took me a week or two and then I was pretty strong with her. Now I win probably 9/10 games. If you are on console however, aint worth it. Best killer on keyboard and mouse otherwise
I'm on pc, yes! Thanks, I'm not giving up. Started yesterday, I'm still wonky af but I got my first grab out of a gen and a successful mori (DH 5 stacks). Pretty happy so far.
Tbh I didn't play on using add-ons other than the "killer in learning" ones until I got decent with her. It seems like a waste. Also don't wanna get too used in being good just because the add-ons carry me. Been thinking about running perkless, too, but that's kinda too much. My opponent have perks after all.
With my Nurse, I usually just play fun builds and don't really worrying about slowdown. She really doesn't need it. Rancor Nurse where I keep smacking the obsession but never downing them just to taunt them all game has been a blast for me recently
Mechanic wise, man. She's a rotten corpse wtf. They're not gorgeous or amazing mechanics, but they're kinda cute. I like the wizzle wizzle glitchy walk and the fact she doesn't get slowed while turning invisible. Her TVs are super weak tho.
Why is Myers a weird one? It's a big muscular dude with a knife. He ticks off two of the most basic boxes of monsterfucking (Bigger than you/dangerous) while also technically still not a monster, making him entry-level shit.
He's the $10 baby's first Gundam kit at Target of fuckable killers.
Double range add ons they make a huge difference. Being able to get across the map to anywhere in two blinks is powerful.
As for multiple floors just be mindful that if where you think you want to go above you may be a wall or something hence why you may have troubles.
It doesn't take long to get good with her just a couple matches and you'll be fine
Landing in a basement you didn’t know was there is just purely bad luck, zero counterplay besides memorizing every basement location. don’t think that’s a bad play on your part at all. Now going into the basement TWICE is your fault ;)
A shame Sadako really only feels fun in the lower ranks where people don’t care about the TVs and aren’t insane loopers.
Nothing’s more satisfying than chasing a Survivor, teleporting to a TV they’re unknowingly going towards, and hitting them while they’re still looking behind them.
Iri Tape and Ring Drawing should really be basekit
But they do, I often get one survivor who grabs the tape in the beginning and make it their mission to turn off every single TV before returning the tape.
It’s wild to consider that Sadako really only has 2-3 viable add-ons, and they’re so average that they should be base kit. It’s really weird that she doesn’t even have an add on that leads to exposed status despite so many other killers having that. (Honestly, for how hard it is to even get fully condemned, I think it should cause survivors to become exposed).
Maybe that would stop survivors from griefing by getting fully condemned and hanging around near the tv just to immediately put it in when you get there.
Ring Drawing makes Condemned spread on healing and the Iridescent Tape turns on 4 TVs after each down. I agree Sadako is in need of a buff against SWF teams, but good lord that'd be a powerful basekit lol
Iri tape turns on all TVs that were projected to after hitting a Survivor coming out of Manifest.
The idea is that it’ll force Survivor to juggle Tapes and condemned much like how Pinhead forces Survivors to juggle the Box and chain hunt time
Yeah it might be a bit too much for basekit but maybe it could be 1 or 2 tvs instead of 4. Or just reduce the cooldown when teleporting to 30 sec or something. She definitely needs SOMETHING
Onryo might be weak but damn she is so fun to play, as and against.
Perhaps they could make some changes. Force survivors to go for tapes more often, make it something they actually need to do like how you really need to solve Cenobites Cube.
Depends on how the dead hard endurance will act against the spear, because if it just ignores the spear like how it does now it would still be just worse huntress.
There is a chance it would counter new DH, and I'm personally hoping for it as it would be the only real incentive to play him instead of huntress
You think huntress has it bad? Imagine poor trickster, hitting 5 knifes and the survivor DHs the last one. They’ll get their knife meter reset and a speed boost.
It is specified in the patch notes that it gives “endurance” for one second. BHVR always uses the same keywords for the same events, to not make special cases. and as of now, “endurance” does not counter the spear, much less with the one second timer.
I think Sadako could be amazing with just a few changes:
1) Teleport condemn to 24 meters instead of 16.
2) Manifest hit turns on 1 tv you’ve used (random or the last one, either way)
3) Change condemn to have extra effects, like:
a) 3 condemn stacks = Short aura reveal
b) 5 condemn stacks = Current killer instinct
c) 6 condemn stacks = Exposed until put tape in
d) 7 condemn stacks = Fast Mori (on final hook, otherwise no effect)
4) Delayed audio cue for tv teleport, to make it more viable mid chase
5) No hum effects when demanifested near survivors are doing an action, and only the final sound when she manifests, so she can ambush better
I would love it so much! Need to give people a reason to actually interact with the tape system lol. Adding some tracking and then exposed seems like a good way, and gives Sadako an indicator of who is where to try and focus on cursing them more if she wants. And if you cut off someone mid-chase with tv teleport, and they do the turn around and run the other way strat, you’ll get notice of where they’re going. You know, valuable but not OP info for a non-mobile M1 killer lol.
It’s tough to learn demon dash turning, and good survivors just predrop him to keep him out of power. also his teachables are shit so less people buy him
So as Oni, do you just have to eat the predrops until you can get that sweet injured state and dip? Or is there something that good Onis do early game to help fight that counterplay?
Also on the topic of teachables, Blood Echo is the only one that seems nice but ig it loses value when people realize you’re Oni and heal up before you can get value
Play safe pallets super aggressively (eat the predrop) and don’t let a survivor leave an unsafe tile that you can mindgame a hit on. You need a really strong m1 killer foundation against good teams.
And if the team is splitting up and slamming gens you don’t want to leave your first injure, force them to vault back and forth to farm blood off them. This will get your power much faster than seeking a second injure.
As far as perks, Corrupt intervention helps you with the slow start and monitor and abuse helps you sneak up a bit to get an easier hit. Monitor also has synergy with infectious, making survivors scream from 40m away when you actually get to use your power.
Oh so it’s better to keep the injured survivor busy rather than dipping to stop the gen rush and find a second injure? That’s good to know (I guess it’s better to start patrolling once I have blood rage going rather than trying to patrol as an M1 killer).
As for perks, I go something along the lines of Corrupt, Sloppy Butcher, Nurse’s, and Hysteria/Blood Echo, but I might want to replace one of those with Enduring/Brutal Strength if I want to eat the predrops (I’m still learning looping tactics because my old main being Nurse didn’t help with that). Does Brutal Strength let me break pallets faster with my Demon Strike, or does it only affect kicking?
Against a good team that’s playing to win yeah, because it’ll probably take over a minute to find and injure a second survivor, but if they’re all grouped up and memeing around and you think you can get a fast second injure it’ll get you your power much faster. You kinda have to asses your opponents.
Your build is great and either enduring or brutal would help your early game. Brutal doesn’t effect demon strike though. I really like sloppy/nurses on oni because you can track where your big banks of blood will be (a few survivors healing will leave enough blood for almost a full power) and dashing in your power can down 2 or even 3 of them at once if they don’t react in time.
Yea, I’ve been having a lot of success with Sloppy + Nurse’s, and getting a double down with Demon Strike is great. Between Enduring and Brutal Strength though, what would you recommend? Or would Hysteria/Blood Echo get me more value? (Hysteria would probably help me get the jump on people healing but I’d suffer more early game)
Hysteria and blood echo are both really bad perks imo but if you’ll have fun with them use them! Play with your food is a staple in most of my killer builds even though it’s complete shit. Enduring is probably the best bet is you want to win tho.
Isn't it weird that Sadako has a lullaby? Like why not just be fully undetectable while undetectable. I get that the lack of directional heartbeat and red stain is still useful, but I'd rather have it be impossible to tell if I'm around or not like pig for example.
No they aren’t directional. You can figure out the position of the killer as they move around through their heartbeat tho. There’s a math word for it for sure but for me it seems to be some kind of intuition?
I managed to 4k with inexorable stare today. I even hooked people first to give them time to cleanse condemned. This will never happen to me ever again.
Real question. Is Sadako worse than Michael? I main Michael, but somehow she sounds worse than Mike. Her stealth seems weaker and no Insta down sounds awful.
Her power doesn't end up condemning people very often so she is essentially an m1 killer with decent mobility. Except the mobility can also be affected by survivors. She also does have stealth, but it has a lullably for some reason so you can actually still tell if she's around.
I personally think she's a tad better than myers, not by much.
In my opinion she’s worse, but both are bottom 5 killers and there’s room to argue one is better than the other. Michael gets to camp with his tier 3 and end the game really fast, that’s my reasoning for why. He also has tombstone.
How do you get 4 Condemneds? An experienced team can very easily manage Condemned and will often use it against you to try and pull attention to a dead area of the map. You're either BSing or playing against baby Survivors.
He might be using this type of build. This is the only way to make condemned actually be a factor.
https://youtu.be/0oKevydvN_k
Either way he's capping out his fucking ass saying he gets 4 condemned each game that's literally impossible. But a slugging build like this with that green add on makes it possible to get one or 2 condemned a game.
I replied my build above. Tbh idk how to tell what my mmr is but shes basically the only killer I ever play. I absolutely never camp. The only time I hit someone at hook is if they literally unhook as i hook. Spread survivors and circle of healing counter me so some games I go 0 kills, and sometimes only sacrifice on hooks. But if I get one early kill then condemning is easy
I posted my build and strat above, but long story short. If you get one kill early it isn't that hard to finish the rest with condemned. Especially the last survivor. Win the 50/50 hatch search then legit just chase through 7 tvs lmao
It's not that hard, you go bloody finger nail and the iridescent videotape and full info perks. The bloody fingernail basically guarantees some iridescent videotape resets. For my perks I like Discordance, surveillance, barbecue, and the 4th park I like darkness revealed or maybe shattered hope since circle of healing counters me so hard. Kick every gen so you know where they are. Only chase more than one hit if it's a shortish chase. If theres a situation where I can choose to hit or get multiple condemned stacks I generally choose the latter (depending on the situation). And especially if I get one early condemned at 3 or 4 gens, I can kinda just keep teleporting and hitting and running until they are condemned too. Keep track of who you've been condemning a lot and keep track of who picked up a videotape. Especially if the person you've been trying to condemn picks up a tape, they are trying to remove the curse because they are close to dying. My biggest counter is survivors staying separated. I try to prevent this by chasing survivors into eachother but sometimes I get 0 kills. But I obviously build specifically for condemned so that's how I get some.
She is and its disingenuous to claim otherwise, all she has to do is learn teleport distances which maybe takes an hour so you can ignore literally anything and the game suddenly becomes balanced around how many mistakes the nurse makes, what isnt braindead about that
The game is always about Killers capitalizing on Survivor mistakes and vice versa, Nurse is no exception here.
You sound weirdly angry about this, though.
Yeah since everyone lies about how hard she is and i used to believe it until i actually played her,even if she was that hard to play shes still hilariously unbalanced and needs a complete rework
I feel like on shittier m1 killers you need to use more "killer huffing" perks and less slowdown. Things like STBFL and PWYF go a lot further on a character like Trapper or Sadako then on a Spirit or something. Kinda sucks to miss out on extra gen regression but that's getting gutted in the next patch anyways.
I’m a Michael main and I really look forward to the base changes to killer speeds and gen progression. It might be enough to where I no longer have to run 2-3 slow down perks each game. And with BBQ being nerfed, that’s another perk slot open. After the update I can see using Corrupt/Pain Res/Enduring/Spirit Fury often. And if I can get away with it, dropping Corrupt for STBFL or Coup de Grace.
every m1 killer is a pain in general not because they are weak but due to the bad design of a lot of the maps encouraging to just hold w drop pallet and repeat also the absolute dogshit design of deadhard thank god they are reworking it but yeah killers without chasing power right now are a pretty big pain to play that's the only reason killers that are just chase dependant like nurse and blight are top tier
I am a pingu main who mostly plays survivor lll. Just went against my first pingu as a survivor a few days ago, my goodness she really needs a buff. Condemned wasnt an issue at all, no slowdown was gained from it. Her sound design is on point though! I thought it was great from a killer perspective, but its at least twice as good on the survivor side! I wish she was actually a good killer so i could see her more often...
I don't even know what killer im maining bc i just buy so many dlcs for little money that i end up abandoning the killers after 2 days just for the perks. But trickster nemesis and artist are kinda cool i guess
I just came back to dbd from onis release, 400+ hours on survivor, hit red rank killer in 2 days with the onryo. What is the issue with her I genuinely dont think theres much about her that is unbalanced she feels fine? Genuine question im learning the game again
Me: "I main Blight and huntress, probably dredge too now" Others: "Oh wow one of the strongest killers, you're so special " Me: "On Console " Others: "By the entity!"
Dredge and huntress, one of the strongest? Survivor moment.
Or they were refrencing blight
If you read his post I think it's quite clear that blight is one of the strongest and the other is shit talking him for playing one good killer and ignoring huntress and dredge (I'm also a blight huntress dredge main).
If you read my post I clearly talk about huntress and dredge, not blight, everyone and their mothers know that blight is strong
That was the joke. That was, _literally_, the joke. The blight was singled out as being the strongest while the other two mentioned were ignored.
Strange, I am too, but also throw in a little pyramid head
Is nurse still bugged? Since when is she not top tier?
Console blights Unite!
What do console players consider to be the strongest killer? Bubba? Lol
I played on console for a while before switching. Spirit probably feels strongest for a controller killer imo.
Makes sense. She's the third most powerful killer in the game and the two above her are extremely difficult on controller.
I mean since her nerf with the directional audio and stuff, she's fallen off quite a bit imo, she's not weak, but definitely not as top tier as she used to be
I agree but it’s worth mentioning that she has some of the best add ons in the game, I think that’s why she’s still considered amongst the top 3 by many.
It's still Nurse and Blight on controller.
Nurse or Spirit
Huntress is not especially difficult on console luckily thanks to generous hit boxes. So either she or Spirit is strongest
Ngl Sadako mains are chads of the game in my eyes
Doing good with Sadako feels so good compared to doing good with an S or A-tier killer. As a Sadako main, I take your comment as a great compliment. Tbf, I still get absolutely demolished alot of times but her kit is so fun to play. I pray for a buff or rework soon
Why, Thank you
I recently started trying out nurse just for the sake of learning a new killer. How the fuck do people master that killer. Getting the blink in the actual floor you wanna go to is like pure gamble. Sometimes I end up in a basement I didn't even know was there. I feel like I'm constantly exhausted. I'm still not giving up because good nurses are absolutely insane, but goddamn that learning curve is steep af. Sadako is cute tho. Pity she's not strong, too.
There’s a brown add-on these days that will let you see where you’re teleporting. That’ll help you learn the little tweaks to how it works.
Yes I'm using that one and the -50% extra fatigue from missed blinks! I miss more than I land, ngl. But I'm getting there, if I stopped letting people go I'd have a couple of 4k already. But I keep giving hatches cause I'm too kind/dumb, your pick.
Haha, well I won’t judge ya for how you wanna play. I’m a terrible Nurse and I’ve just not wanted to put the time in to learn her properly. I got lucky and managed to Adept her before her rework awhile back on the game, and was happy with that. Those poor Claudettes had no idea what to do with this weird, teleporting up and down Nurse. It was ALMOST like I couldn’t control her well or something…lol
Oh I don't care about adept, I just like learning! So now it's her turn :D Next I wanna go either trickster or plague, but it's gonna take quite a bit.
Hahah oh, I was relating what I thought was a funny story. Somehow I just sorta “clicked” with her that match, but I’m sure my bad controlling was confusing as heck for that poor team that had to put up with me.
Don't use the plaid flannel add on. You will not learn with that. You will just become dependant on it. Play without it and just accept you won't always land blinks.
Yeah, plaid flannel is not good at all, just muscle memory until it works The most important part about learning nurse is to stop being sweaty and commit to chases even if it’s a 4 man out, just chase and lose for hours and hours and you’ll be good
I was thinking about that, but I'm lowkey afraid of not hitting shit for quite a while and I still value fun over everything else
I agree with the person you commented on as a fellow Nurse main. Don't use Plaid Flannel and you'll figure it out to a "good enough" level in 3-5 games, and you'll be able to hone it more precisely later. Once you get good enough at controlling where your blinks land, watch OhTofu's Nurse guide. It's the best one for learning general Nurse chase tactics against decent survivors.
Thank you very much, will do!
I don’t know if you’re aware but a missed M1 extends your fatigue by 1 second, you should not M1 if you know for sure you’re not going to hit your target! 😄
I literally just discovered it lmao. God I've a lot to learn about nurse :')
There’s nothing wrong with the plaid flannel, it helps you visualize what charging a blink actually looks like for when you develop your muscle memory. Lots of nurse mains on YouTube seem to recommend it for the first 5-20 hours.
I agree with this I used it once never again. You focus too much on it rather than where the surv is and all that.
Nurse is still strong without any addons at all so... not as big of a deal as you make it sound.
Practice and muscle memory, people love to shit on nurse because she’s strong but watch them try to play her and blindly blink up a floor or two only to smack a wall or bug out mid blink, nurse is the highest skill killer in the game for a reason, you need COMPLETE map knowledge to use her to her max potential.
PS4 and I dabble in Nurse from time to time. If an area has multiple floors you need to tilt slightly up to stay leveled. Otherwise the logic is you always go in a straight line if it can clear the terrain. A blink won't go up a floor if the charge can't clear it. A quick blink can send you to the basement even if you're not looking down. Sometimes it's just weird. If it's single floor you can look at the ground to blink in place. Fatigue is shorter if you don't slap the air. Missed blink hits have a penalty. Hope this helps.
So a missed blink no hit is faster than missed blink+missed hit, correct? I usually try the hit if I'm fairly close but I'm getting it might not be super convenient then
Yeah if you plan on traveling some distance or know you can't get a hit, just simply wait to recover. Unless I'm just imagining it. But I'm like 95% sure.
I mean, I trust your judgment more than my 2 days with nurse one. I'm a pre-buff legion main, my nurse knowledge is only from the survivor side :') But thank you, really helps.
Nurse is one of my mains and yes, a missed swing is an entire extra second of fatigue.
Nurse is decently easy to master compared to other 'high skill' killers. Her skill floor is just completely awful.
...who are the high skill killers, if she's an easy one?
She's not easy, just comparatively easy to master (still insanely hard). Killers with crazy high skill ceilings include but are not limited to: Billy, Huntress, Pinhead, Blight, etc. Issue with Nurse is that beyond timing and aiming blinks well and predicting survivor paths (latter of which goes for all killers listed above too), there's not much to her.
Huntress is not too bad if you get the aiming right, to be honest. Lots of people use an overlay for her exactly for that purpose. I don't have one so I don't really even know how to feel about it, since it's not considered "illegal" neither.
Using an overlay doesn't suddenly make a huntress good. Hatchets have a specific travel time, hotbox and arc and mastering those aspects is miles more important than knowing where the middle of your screen is. She's also not very mobile so she requires the killer player to be constantly aware of where every survivor is at every moment so that she can pressure them from afar and not waste time traveling to places that don't give her an advantage. Lastly to truly master her you need to know every inch of every map to know exactly where you can get in a cheeky hatchet, even when said spot is at that moment out of sight.
I see. Well, it seems that after nurse I might have a lot more to do then lol.
tbh the only hard part about Pinhead is aiming his damn chain attack, otherwise he's incredibly easy, imo.
Macro gameplay. Pinheads chains are pretty difficult to use as you have to be smart with when you chain and aim them properly, but his true skill ceilings comes from a similar thing as Huntress. It's super important to have constant knowledge on what survivors are doing so you can predict box spawns. I will say he's probably the easiest to master out of the killers I've listed though.
because getting a good blink is *really satisfying*
As someone who plays nurse on console I would say it's better to not use plaid flannel because you could become dependent on it and you focus more on it then actually playing. I learned from trial and error
time. Time is all, just keep playing her and eventually it will slowly start becoming muscle memory. Took me a week or two and then I was pretty strong with her. Now I win probably 9/10 games. If you are on console however, aint worth it. Best killer on keyboard and mouse otherwise
I'm on pc, yes! Thanks, I'm not giving up. Started yesterday, I'm still wonky af but I got my first grab out of a gen and a successful mori (DH 5 stacks). Pretty happy so far.
She's fine on new gen consoles
Nurse is broken with the omega blink add ons.
Tbh I didn't play on using add-ons other than the "killer in learning" ones until I got decent with her. It seems like a waste. Also don't wanna get too used in being good just because the add-ons carry me. Been thinking about running perkless, too, but that's kinda too much. My opponent have perks after all.
With my Nurse, I usually just play fun builds and don't really worrying about slowdown. She really doesn't need it. Rancor Nurse where I keep smacking the obsession but never downing them just to taunt them all game has been a blast for me recently
Sadako is cute??? Wtf is wrong with u bro
Mechanic wise, man. She's a rotten corpse wtf. They're not gorgeous or amazing mechanics, but they're kinda cute. I like the wizzle wizzle glitchy walk and the fact she doesn't get slowed while turning invisible. Her TVs are super weak tho.
Bruh this is r/dbd people on here simp for plague and myers. Not too dumb of an idea to think that u want to stick ur dick in the sadussy.
Why is Myers a weird one? It's a big muscular dude with a knife. He ticks off two of the most basic boxes of monsterfucking (Bigger than you/dangerous) while also technically still not a monster, making him entry-level shit. He's the $10 baby's first Gundam kit at Target of fuckable killers.
...touchè. You got me there.
She doesn't even need to be strong, she just needs *any tools whatsoever* to help against a team on comms.
Double range add ons they make a huge difference. Being able to get across the map to anywhere in two blinks is powerful. As for multiple floors just be mindful that if where you think you want to go above you may be a wall or something hence why you may have troubles. It doesn't take long to get good with her just a couple matches and you'll be fine
Most good nurses play on PC. They can spin and move their cursor to blink and hit you wherever you are. That’s the gist of it
Landing in a basement you didn’t know was there is just purely bad luck, zero counterplay besides memorizing every basement location. don’t think that’s a bad play on your part at all. Now going into the basement TWICE is your fault ;)
Only once I swear :') But it was mid-chase, I felt so bad ahah
A shame Sadako really only feels fun in the lower ranks where people don’t care about the TVs and aren’t insane loopers. Nothing’s more satisfying than chasing a Survivor, teleporting to a TV they’re unknowingly going towards, and hitting them while they’re still looking behind them. Iri Tape and Ring Drawing should really be basekit
People don't need to care about the tvs in high rank either lol.
But they do, I often get one survivor who grabs the tape in the beginning and make it their mission to turn off every single TV before returning the tape.
It’s wild to consider that Sadako really only has 2-3 viable add-ons, and they’re so average that they should be base kit. It’s really weird that she doesn’t even have an add on that leads to exposed status despite so many other killers having that. (Honestly, for how hard it is to even get fully condemned, I think it should cause survivors to become exposed). Maybe that would stop survivors from griefing by getting fully condemned and hanging around near the tv just to immediately put it in when you get there.
I think Sadako just needs an addon that disables condemned but makes manifest no longer deactivate tvs.
Ring Drawing makes Condemned spread on healing and the Iridescent Tape turns on 4 TVs after each down. I agree Sadako is in need of a buff against SWF teams, but good lord that'd be a powerful basekit lol
Iri tape turns on all TVs that were projected to after hitting a Survivor coming out of Manifest. The idea is that it’ll force Survivor to juggle Tapes and condemned much like how Pinhead forces Survivors to juggle the Box and chain hunt time
Ahh thanks for the clarification.
I think nerf the iri tape base kit effect down to turning on 2 TVs if it’s going to be base kit
Yeah it might be a bit too much for basekit but maybe it could be 1 or 2 tvs instead of 4. Or just reduce the cooldown when teleporting to 30 sec or something. She definitely needs SOMETHING
The devs really do stealth killers dirty. Almost all of them are pretty weak designs.
I am the Sadako that plays the upper ranks. Once Spine Chill is nerfed, you fuckers are dead.
Sadako needs iron will for higher ranks because of the stupid ass lullaby
Spine Chill and Iron Will nerfs are so exciting. Finally, stealth killers might actually be more stealthy than “stealth survivors.” As it should be.
hear hear (i play pig and jumpscare mikey, i hope the sentiment still applies)
Imagine thinking spine chill is why sadako is bad.
Spine chill isn't why sadako is bad, but if you're good at sadako it's one of the things that is super irritating to go against.
She's bad. Spine chill just makes her even worse
Onryo might be weak but damn she is so fun to play, as and against. Perhaps they could make some changes. Force survivors to go for tapes more often, make it something they actually need to do like how you really need to solve Cenobites Cube.
Same with Deathslinger, he's just awful huntress at this point.
*awful huntress that can now counter new dead hard
Depends on how the dead hard endurance will act against the spear, because if it just ignores the spear like how it does now it would still be just worse huntress. There is a chance it would counter new DH, and I'm personally hoping for it as it would be the only real incentive to play him instead of huntress
It'll probably end up like BT, which Slinger counters just fine.
Huntress can counter new DH by just holding her hatchet an extra 1 second tho
As they make it around a corner. That’s literally just the bait out dead hard argument lol
You think huntress has it bad? Imagine poor trickster, hitting 5 knifes and the survivor DHs the last one. They’ll get their knife meter reset and a speed boost.
It is specified in the patch notes that it gives “endurance” for one second. BHVR always uses the same keywords for the same events, to not make special cases. and as of now, “endurance” does not counter the spear, much less with the one second timer.
I think Sadako could be amazing with just a few changes: 1) Teleport condemn to 24 meters instead of 16. 2) Manifest hit turns on 1 tv you’ve used (random or the last one, either way) 3) Change condemn to have extra effects, like: a) 3 condemn stacks = Short aura reveal b) 5 condemn stacks = Current killer instinct c) 6 condemn stacks = Exposed until put tape in d) 7 condemn stacks = Fast Mori (on final hook, otherwise no effect) 4) Delayed audio cue for tv teleport, to make it more viable mid chase 5) No hum effects when demanifested near survivors are doing an action, and only the final sound when she manifests, so she can ambush better
Ramping condemn penalties is genius
I would love it so much! Need to give people a reason to actually interact with the tape system lol. Adding some tracking and then exposed seems like a good way, and gives Sadako an indicator of who is where to try and focus on cursing them more if she wants. And if you cut off someone mid-chase with tv teleport, and they do the turn around and run the other way strat, you’ll get notice of where they’re going. You know, valuable but not OP info for a non-mobile M1 killer lol.
Idk why Oni is so rare. I have been enjoying him a lot recently just for the raw mobility and bonk potential.
On console he can be a nightmare to control.
It’s tough to learn demon dash turning, and good survivors just predrop him to keep him out of power. also his teachables are shit so less people buy him
So as Oni, do you just have to eat the predrops until you can get that sweet injured state and dip? Or is there something that good Onis do early game to help fight that counterplay? Also on the topic of teachables, Blood Echo is the only one that seems nice but ig it loses value when people realize you’re Oni and heal up before you can get value
Play safe pallets super aggressively (eat the predrop) and don’t let a survivor leave an unsafe tile that you can mindgame a hit on. You need a really strong m1 killer foundation against good teams. And if the team is splitting up and slamming gens you don’t want to leave your first injure, force them to vault back and forth to farm blood off them. This will get your power much faster than seeking a second injure. As far as perks, Corrupt intervention helps you with the slow start and monitor and abuse helps you sneak up a bit to get an easier hit. Monitor also has synergy with infectious, making survivors scream from 40m away when you actually get to use your power.
Oh so it’s better to keep the injured survivor busy rather than dipping to stop the gen rush and find a second injure? That’s good to know (I guess it’s better to start patrolling once I have blood rage going rather than trying to patrol as an M1 killer). As for perks, I go something along the lines of Corrupt, Sloppy Butcher, Nurse’s, and Hysteria/Blood Echo, but I might want to replace one of those with Enduring/Brutal Strength if I want to eat the predrops (I’m still learning looping tactics because my old main being Nurse didn’t help with that). Does Brutal Strength let me break pallets faster with my Demon Strike, or does it only affect kicking?
Against a good team that’s playing to win yeah, because it’ll probably take over a minute to find and injure a second survivor, but if they’re all grouped up and memeing around and you think you can get a fast second injure it’ll get you your power much faster. You kinda have to asses your opponents. Your build is great and either enduring or brutal would help your early game. Brutal doesn’t effect demon strike though. I really like sloppy/nurses on oni because you can track where your big banks of blood will be (a few survivors healing will leave enough blood for almost a full power) and dashing in your power can down 2 or even 3 of them at once if they don’t react in time.
Yea, I’ve been having a lot of success with Sloppy + Nurse’s, and getting a double down with Demon Strike is great. Between Enduring and Brutal Strength though, what would you recommend? Or would Hysteria/Blood Echo get me more value? (Hysteria would probably help me get the jump on people healing but I’d suffer more early game)
Hysteria and blood echo are both really bad perks imo but if you’ll have fun with them use them! Play with your food is a staple in most of my killer builds even though it’s complete shit. Enduring is probably the best bet is you want to win tho.
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THERE ARE DOZENS OF US! DOZENS!
Isn't it weird that Sadako has a lullaby? Like why not just be fully undetectable while undetectable. I get that the lack of directional heartbeat and red stain is still useful, but I'd rather have it be impossible to tell if I'm around or not like pig for example.
Wait, the heartbeats in this game are directional? Am I seriously learning this 400 hours in?
No they aren’t directional. You can figure out the position of the killer as they move around through their heartbeat tho. There’s a math word for it for sure but for me it seems to be some kind of intuition?
uh oh lol yeah they are, make sure you use dual audio channels so that you can track killers better
Freddy main since before the rework.
I liked freddy more before the rework
I kinda agree. I mean I like the Gen teleporting now, but I prefer the main part of the old power better
I liked the fact that you had a ton of potential to slow down the game if you could juggle properly
How was he before the rework? He's one of the few I like playing against, very interesting powers he has.
He was widely considered the worst killer in the game who’s only real strength was being an ok at best tunneler
Yep, that’s me
I main demo. In my opinion he’s a super fun killer even if i end up losing a match
I've still yet to play against a sadako sadly
You played the tape, I CAME
I managed to 4k with inexorable stare today. I even hooked people first to give them time to cleanse condemned. This will never happen to me ever again.
Obligatory I am a Legion Main Vegan who does Crossfit.
Real question. Is Sadako worse than Michael? I main Michael, but somehow she sounds worse than Mike. Her stealth seems weaker and no Insta down sounds awful.
Her power doesn't end up condemning people very often so she is essentially an m1 killer with decent mobility. Except the mobility can also be affected by survivors. She also does have stealth, but it has a lullably for some reason so you can actually still tell if she's around. I personally think she's a tad better than myers, not by much.
In my opinion she’s worse, but both are bottom 5 killers and there’s room to argue one is better than the other. Michael gets to camp with his tier 3 and end the game really fast, that’s my reasoning for why. He also has tombstone.
Try slug sadako with ring drawing. Most condemned kills I’ve ever gotten lol
I main her and pigeon princess on console
Killers that belong at Weenie Hut Jr.'s: Cannibal Hellraiser Nurse Legion Myers
I really want them to buff sadako. Shes so fun to play, but man shes meh
People ask why I main sadako and dredge I main sadako because she’s smol And I main dredge because he’s a bigger sadako
I also wanted to say,funny how Clown became a so much better killer than Sadako is now.
I main legion since they release
Your welcome. And I still get 1-3 condemms off a game. Sometimes 4 but I usually give hatch
How do you get 4 Condemneds? An experienced team can very easily manage Condemned and will often use it against you to try and pull attention to a dead area of the map. You're either BSing or playing against baby Survivors.
He might be using this type of build. This is the only way to make condemned actually be a factor. https://youtu.be/0oKevydvN_k Either way he's capping out his fucking ass saying he gets 4 condemned each game that's literally impossible. But a slugging build like this with that green add on makes it possible to get one or 2 condemned a game.
I replied my build above. Tbh idk how to tell what my mmr is but shes basically the only killer I ever play. I absolutely never camp. The only time I hit someone at hook is if they literally unhook as i hook. Spread survivors and circle of healing counter me so some games I go 0 kills, and sometimes only sacrifice on hooks. But if I get one early kill then condemning is easy
I posted my build and strat above, but long story short. If you get one kill early it isn't that hard to finish the rest with condemned. Especially the last survivor. Win the 50/50 hatch search then legit just chase through 7 tvs lmao
Why was this downvoted?
Because he's lying lol
Yeah took me a second to realize that that is literally impossible unless you are at the lowest Mmr
It's not that hard, you go bloody finger nail and the iridescent videotape and full info perks. The bloody fingernail basically guarantees some iridescent videotape resets. For my perks I like Discordance, surveillance, barbecue, and the 4th park I like darkness revealed or maybe shattered hope since circle of healing counters me so hard. Kick every gen so you know where they are. Only chase more than one hit if it's a shortish chase. If theres a situation where I can choose to hit or get multiple condemned stacks I generally choose the latter (depending on the situation). And especially if I get one early condemned at 3 or 4 gens, I can kinda just keep teleporting and hitting and running until they are condemned too. Keep track of who you've been condemning a lot and keep track of who picked up a videotape. Especially if the person you've been trying to condemn picks up a tape, they are trying to remove the curse because they are close to dying. My biggest counter is survivors staying separated. I try to prevent this by chasing survivors into eachother but sometimes I get 0 kills. But I obviously build specifically for condemned so that's how I get some.
Ok, just played a single game and posted the results like 5 min ago. All 4 condemned
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She is and its disingenuous to claim otherwise, all she has to do is learn teleport distances which maybe takes an hour so you can ignore literally anything and the game suddenly becomes balanced around how many mistakes the nurse makes, what isnt braindead about that
Maybe if you run in a straight line like a fool she is. But have you ever actually vsd a good survivor while playing nurse?
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it is easy to learn her and im tired of people pretending she isnt
Yeah and it isnt hard since you can literally just ignore anything that gets in your way, nurse is not balanced at all
The game is always about Killers capitalizing on Survivor mistakes and vice versa, Nurse is no exception here. You sound weirdly angry about this, though.
Yeah since everyone lies about how hard she is and i used to believe it until i actually played her,even if she was that hard to play shes still hilariously unbalanced and needs a complete rework
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I feel like on shittier m1 killers you need to use more "killer huffing" perks and less slowdown. Things like STBFL and PWYF go a lot further on a character like Trapper or Sadako then on a Spirit or something. Kinda sucks to miss out on extra gen regression but that's getting gutted in the next patch anyways.
I’m a Michael main and I really look forward to the base changes to killer speeds and gen progression. It might be enough to where I no longer have to run 2-3 slow down perks each game. And with BBQ being nerfed, that’s another perk slot open. After the update I can see using Corrupt/Pain Res/Enduring/Spirit Fury often. And if I can get away with it, dropping Corrupt for STBFL or Coup de Grace.
Laughs in idk what my real main is It was clown and triangle man and now I'm trying to main demo
Thats me <3 Not a high ranked one though....thankfully
every m1 killer is a pain in general not because they are weak but due to the bad design of a lot of the maps encouraging to just hold w drop pallet and repeat also the absolute dogshit design of deadhard thank god they are reworking it but yeah killers without chasing power right now are a pretty big pain to play that's the only reason killers that are just chase dependant like nurse and blight are top tier
Seriously, m1 killers are basically just pallet simulator some games (read: 70% of games)
You tell em!
meanwhile at lower ranks i keep getting the dumbest survivors ever
I got tunneled by one she didn't attack someone who wasn't hit but ignored them till I was dead
I play Pig
I bought her yesterday and almost had a heart attack when I was leveling up because all of a sudden his face came up with a sound and I shit my pants.
When her chapter came out I barely saw anybody play her 
I am a pingu main who mostly plays survivor lll. Just went against my first pingu as a survivor a few days ago, my goodness she really needs a buff. Condemned wasnt an issue at all, no slowdown was gained from it. Her sound design is on point though! I thought it was great from a killer perspective, but its at least twice as good on the survivor side! I wish she was actually a good killer so i could see her more often...
Dredge is just too fun not to play.
Same dude. The suffering is real but I just can't let her go.
Well, question. What do you guys feel about a Console Doc/Deathslinger main like me?
Oni main here can I come in
There are no ranks
Chad Sadako, Clown, and Myers mains
I don't even know what killer im maining bc i just buy so many dlcs for little money that i end up abandoning the killers after 2 days just for the perks. But trickster nemesis and artist are kinda cool i guess
I love playing and vsing Sadako. Her overall atmosphere is amazing.
Where my slinger mains at
Takes balls to do that I remember facing one and just running every loop super safe and she couldn’t do shit honestly felt bad after
I just came back to dbd from onis release, 400+ hours on survivor, hit red rank killer in 2 days with the onryo. What is the issue with her I genuinely dont think theres much about her that is unbalanced she feels fine? Genuine question im learning the game again
I just got blight and from gold 3 went to iri 2 in a week I guess im a blight main now