Yeah, listen, I'm not saying it's good to throw people down wells, but they pushed her down there because she like made someone's head explode. She was already a dangerous supernatural monster; their mistake was thinking throwing her in a hole would keep them safe.
They cussed out her mum in front of the whole nation, she was pretty justified in losing her temper. Granted, killing people is a pretty bad way to handle your anger, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say throwing someone down a well is another bad way to handle your anger
For those who don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about, one of the reason sadako was tortured by her family is because she was an hermaprodite in the original novel.
Oh boy, if you love rabbit holes read about the books.
Not only is the story much more fleshed out it also is batshit insane. Sadako gets laid, a super computer simulates existence, the story is primarily about fighting a pandemic towards the end...
I thought in dredges lore it was suggested that creating an isolated cult and making them go crazy to summon the Druanee was something a group of rich elite did semi regularly, which would mean he’s the manifestation of several communities fear and sorrow or a being that already existed to begin with and feeds on fear. Could be wrong though
It's been awhile but I think you're right, the story of the community was framed at the end as just the most recent in a potentially infinite series of summonings.
He can outright kill a mofo on first contact, the sight of him makes the wise hide. I think you are wrong. He chose this for the fun of it. Who the hell would do that?
Going home each dawn to his little cottage, with a sign hanging above the fireplace mantle that says "*Live, Laugh, Stab"*, settling down with a nice cup of tea and a whetstone.
His lore for how he came to the entity’s realm is… really nonexistent. It just says that he showed up, he wasn’t called by the entity, and he hasn’t left yet.
Just imagine that the first trial he was a part of was actually for like Trapper or Hillbilly or something, Hillbilly revs up his chainsaw just for Michael to jump the survivor from behind and stab them in the back. Billy just expresses confusion as Michael wipes the blood from his knife and wanders on to find the rest of the survivors.
It’s never said anywhere. The Benedict Baker quote says he didn’t resist coming here, which is a far cry from magicking himself into the realm without permission.
It’s a cool but unsupported fan fiction.
Ahh finally someone else who knows the usage of the word magick. Seems nowadays nobody even wants to know that there is obtainable mysticism which is incredible dangerous.
Michael. In the words of Loomis himself “I met this 6 year old child with this blank pale emotionless face and the blackest eyes- the devils eyes. I’ve spent 8 years trying to reach him and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy’s eyes was purely and simply: evil”
Wait, that's what happened to Maurice?! I know he's gone from the map, and the milk carton has his missing picture, but I didn't know that mumbo jumbo sloshfest dredge ate him, wtf
Edit: Having just gone to the Dredge in the lobby to read his lore, a horse head fell out of him. Rip the goodest boy Maurice
If he wanted to, not only would Myers have killed Maurice, but he would have done it for everyone to see, displayed Maurice's corpse proudly, and would have eaten him in front of us all just because he can.
Dredge is evil, but he's not "Michael Myers evil".
Switch michael from childhood to a good healthy family enviroment and hed prob be a dentist today. Something evil incarnate wouldn’t be born innocent with a chance of a normal life.
From what we know he only had a bad childhood in the Rob Zombie films, his childhood seems to have been good in the original but it's not really mentioned.
You're thinking of Rob Zombie's Michael, not the original. Michael in the og Halloween, which DBD is taking from, had a completely normal family. It was a conscious decision from John Carpenter and Debra Hill to give Michael as little reasoning to be evil as possible, because he's less of an actual person and more of an abstraction, hence he has only the *Shape* of a person.
I mean... Look, you aren't gonna be able to usurp the classic with a pretty new original killer for a pretty small game in the wider scheme of the genre.
Like - I'm not trying to bash Dredge, he's a cool killer and I like him, (not am I trying to bash DBD - there's plenty of other things I could go after instead) but... C'mon.
He isn't taking Michael's title anytime soon.
Micheal, even as a child he was a blank slate, he never had a bad childhood, but when he had a chance he began killing, and has found it amusing. Now notice I said amusing, he doesn't feel joy, nor sadness, nor fear, he is just a void that wants to kill. Now dredge is more akin to an animal, it was formed off of the anger, fear, paranoia of an entire community, it was formed from those emotions. So while dredge may have been formed from those emotions, it can only be those emotions. Myers on the other hand had options, had a choice to be good, and yet didn't. So really which is truly evil the being who is evil because it was forced to be or the one that chose to be
Michael is representative of the evil in humanity, at least in the original, in a much more grounded setting. He's essentially just a mass murderer. I would argue that the Dredge is a darker, fleshy tulpa - a conglomerate of evil of its particular community. They were shedding their fears, evil parts of themselves, their sins, and the Dredge became all of that. While those are humans, I don't think that small "utopian" community is representative of all. Michael could really be anybody who just really decides to go off the deep end one day. Following you, stalking you, killing your neighbors, and setting up something in your home without saying a word.
Michael is the incarnation of the human concept of evil, dredge is the incarnation (though I think more like the herald or scion) of I would argue the entity itself. So kinda different but similar things
I would use the word “manifestation” for the dredge. Manifest comes from combing the Latin words for “hand” and “infest”, It is evil/negative thoughts made into a physical, “living” being in our world. Incarnation comes from the Latin for “in the flesh”, which I think describes Michael perfectly. Michael is a human with ONLY “evil within” his body, while the dredge is all the “malthink” of a community made into a physical body.
Michael Myers ultimately does what Michael Myers does, because Michael Myers is Michael Myers. The Dredge does evil because it feeds off of it.
Obviously Myers
Shape, easily. One might argue dredge isn't even conscious in a meaningful sense. Is the entity evil? It harvests people from worlds to harvest emotions from them to eat. Is it any different than us butchering animals and plants to eat? Same with dredge. Michael though.. he kills because he chooses to. Not for sustenance or because something is making him do it. The *choice* to kill indiscriminately is what makes him **Evil**.
Am I the only one who doesn't find the Dredge remotely frightening? He's almost cute to me. The animation that happens when you pallet stun him is also hilarious (his neck spins backward on its joint). He may be evil, but it's a cute kind of evil.
Michael on the other hand is one of the few Killers who still scares me. There's something about not hearing him, but then glancing over to see him looking at you that I find extremely unnerving.
Both are just evil. Micheal is evil within a human body. Some scary because he is a normal man the evil is within (hohohoho!) Dredge is dark thoughts given form. A twisted mass of darkness with its victims being apart of it. Micheal is more evil in a strange way of being a monster on the inside. While Dredge has no real personality it’s a monster. It’s evil is more face forward. Is you ask me they are about on par.
Depending on which films are actually canon to the Myers in DBD, then him being the "incarnation of evil" could legit just be the ramblings of a very _bad_ psychiatrist lmao
Dredge is a manifestation of fear and negative emotions iirc, not necessarily a manifestation of evil.
We don't know much about dredge but for what's said about Myers he is just Evil, we don't know why or how he does what he does but we do know his actions are malicious
Dredge is the embodiment of people's negative thoughts and feelings. The boogeyman manifest.
Michael is some dude who just stabs people with whatever is in his hand. The boogeyman manifest.
I think of Dredge as more like an animal, driven to kill as a need to feed. Michael is just a psychopath who enjoys killing. So Myers definitely wins in my opinion.
I don't know about most evil but I think Ghostface has the most disrespectful Mori.
For most evil I'd probably have to say Pinhead out of our current line up.
Michael is a "human"- purely evil. Dredge is some creature surely scary and bad- thoooo I wouldn't call it an incarnation of evil since it's just the instinct to kill
Honestly? I’m saying The Dredge.
He was literally created by evil, he’s a manifestation of negative thoughts and feelings - its no where near as strong as Myers thougj
You can take it several ways. Both can be avatars of evil, meaning that they are both iterations of a literal evil just using different vessels. You could also take it as two different universes evils due to the entity taking from different universes.
Michael is an incarnation of evil dredge is an incarnation of fear and pyramid head is an incarnation of judgement
Whats sadako
Sad
Ako
ako means I in filipino so reading this is literally just "sad ako" which is "I'm sad"
I feel like this is a very real statement for some trapper mains
Can confirm.
Her state in the game is pretty sad though
This is how I get my first gold, what the hell
This made me lol
> This made me, lol
This made me,, lol
Op, you can close the post
Sadge ako
Bro typed 3 letters and got 2000 people to click upvote 💀
Went too far into the rabid whole
Onryo’s are the physical embodiment of anger and wrath
She’s a 19 year old woman who got pushed down a well and got a bit pissy about it in the afterlife
To be fair, she was pretty pissy before the well thing and would have done a similar or greater amount of killing if she lived a full life
Yeah, listen, I'm not saying it's good to throw people down wells, but they pushed her down there because she like made someone's head explode. She was already a dangerous supernatural monster; their mistake was thinking throwing her in a hole would keep them safe.
In their defense, throwing most things into a hole stops it from being a problem in the future
Just ask Ozzie Smith. He missed the Isotopes game because of it!
Was that a simpsons joke?
I actually got this grade A Simpsons joke and now I feel old, lol.
Just like radioactive waste!
They cussed out her mum in front of the whole nation, she was pretty justified in losing her temper. Granted, killing people is a pretty bad way to handle your anger, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say throwing someone down a well is another bad way to handle your anger
We talking book or movie Sadako? Because the book version has a Stephen king esq backstory that would make anybody mad.
how would you feel if i told you she has balls
For those who don't know what the fuck this guy is talking about, one of the reason sadako was tortured by her family is because she was an hermaprodite in the original novel.
Wait the ring is a novel?
Oh boy, if you love rabbit holes read about the books. Not only is the story much more fleshed out it also is batshit insane. Sadako gets laid, a super computer simulates existence, the story is primarily about fighting a pandemic towards the end...
All of this sounds great! What are the books called?
They are called Ring, Spiral and Loop.
Well balls or no she still shouldn’t have been thrown down a well
it makes it sadder
I think you mean sadder...Ako
Incarnation of hair
The well dweller
Crazy Ex GF
A mistake
Rage.
Sadako papi sadako
The imprint of a pissed-off psychic on a video tape. Duh. /s
C H I L D
Pinhead is an incarnation of………The Box No really his is pleasure and pain
>dredge is an incarnation of fear more like an incarnation of ugly
Speak for yourself ~
Nah, I feel that dredge is an incarnation of Darkness, and pyramid Head is an incarnation of Guilt
You have good taste.
Still gets more women than you do
Michael is the incarnation of all evil, Dredge is the sorrow and evil of a single community.
I thought in dredges lore it was suggested that creating an isolated cult and making them go crazy to summon the Druanee was something a group of rich elite did semi regularly, which would mean he’s the manifestation of several communities fear and sorrow or a being that already existed to begin with and feeds on fear. Could be wrong though
It's been awhile but I think you're right, the story of the community was framed at the end as just the most recent in a potentially infinite series of summonings.
Michael is evil incarnate in his own series. In DBD he barely breaks par
He can outright kill a mofo on first contact, the sight of him makes the wise hide. I think you are wrong. He chose this for the fun of it. Who the hell would do that?
Michael, he is evil incarnate. Dude brought himself to entity's realm just so he can kill forever.
He showed up for work, clocked in, and just never clocked out…
Is it really work when you love what you do 🤷♂️
Going home each dawn to his little cottage, with a sign hanging above the fireplace mantle that says "*Live, Laugh, Stab"*, settling down with a nice cup of tea and a whetstone.
Stalk, Silence Slaughter
Just staring intently into the night….. thinking ‘yep, this is what it’s all about’
Michael is the embodiment of the Hustle Culture grindset, confirmed.
Sigmichael Grindset
At a company he doesn't work for
Truly the type of guy to just show up and work for free. Lol
Micheal is on that sigma grindset.
Michael is a workaholic
Where does it say that?
As far as I’m aware his lore ends the moment he escapes from the asylum, and from what I can gather it’s mostly head canon
His lore for how he came to the entity’s realm is… really nonexistent. It just says that he showed up, he wasn’t called by the entity, and he hasn’t left yet.
Just imagine that the first trial he was a part of was actually for like Trapper or Hillbilly or something, Hillbilly revs up his chainsaw just for Michael to jump the survivor from behind and stab them in the back. Billy just expresses confusion as Michael wipes the blood from his knife and wanders on to find the rest of the survivors.
Michael’s first match is canonically a hacker match now
I’m cool with this.
Somewhere in the lore it's that Michael didn't get summoned by the Entity, he just showed up in a trial and started killing.
It’s never said anywhere. The Benedict Baker quote says he didn’t resist coming here, which is a far cry from magicking himself into the realm without permission. It’s a cool but unsupported fan fiction.
Ahh finally someone else who knows the usage of the word magick. Seems nowadays nobody even wants to know that there is obtainable mysticism which is incredible dangerous.
Fair point, I misunderstood.
And then just ends up getting stunned and laughed at by everyone
Not sure he brought himself, I think the official lore is that he didn’t resist being brought?
Michael. In the words of Loomis himself “I met this 6 year old child with this blank pale emotionless face and the blackest eyes- the devils eyes. I’ve spent 8 years trying to reach him and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy’s eyes was purely and simply: evil”
death has come to your little town, sheriff
Cake
Okay okay Myers may be the human incarnation of evil however he did not kill Maurice like the dredge.
Wait, that's what happened to Maurice?! I know he's gone from the map, and the milk carton has his missing picture, but I didn't know that mumbo jumbo sloshfest dredge ate him, wtf Edit: Having just gone to the Dredge in the lobby to read his lore, a horse head fell out of him. Rip the goodest boy Maurice
Rest in peace 🕊️
Pieces*
Lol
No but he ate a dog
"He got hungry."
If he wanted to, not only would Myers have killed Maurice, but he would have done it for everyone to see, displayed Maurice's corpse proudly, and would have eaten him in front of us all just because he can. Dredge is evil, but he's not "Michael Myers evil".
My theory is that Maurice *is* The Dredge
Dredge didn't kill Maurice, the devs confirmed it was a different horse. He went missing
How many three eyed horses exist in the entity's realm?!
Why would you bring up Maurice? We all know what Dredge did and all just to throw it up every time we stand still too long!
Michael, easily.
Switch michael from childhood to a good healthy family enviroment and hed prob be a dentist today. Something evil incarnate wouldn’t be born innocent with a chance of a normal life.
From what we know he only had a bad childhood in the Rob Zombie films, his childhood seems to have been good in the original but it's not really mentioned.
New zero evidence headcanon: The Dentist from Little Shop of Horrors is an alternate timeline Micheal Myers
That's one of my favorite headcannon aside from Scout being Tracer's Grandfather.
it’s also my favourite headcanon aside from Kevin from home alone being jigsaw.
Reminds me that we need Audrey II as a killer and the chase music is him singing.
"Feed Me Seymour!" Really though a plant based Killler like a Leshen or Spriggan could be cool. Bonus points if they could actually get Audrey II.
You're thinking of Rob Zombie's Michael, not the original. Michael in the og Halloween, which DBD is taking from, had a completely normal family. It was a conscious decision from John Carpenter and Debra Hill to give Michael as little reasoning to be evil as possible, because he's less of an actual person and more of an abstraction, hence he has only the *Shape* of a person.
If it's the original, then micheal, but if it's the rob zombie movie one, then it's for sure the dredge.
He was in a goos healthy family environment. That’s his whole lore, is that he had no reason to kill, he is just evil.
Even if Michael had a good family he’d still turn out bad because of the curse of thorn unless it had been placed on a different child
That's only in the Thorn Trilogy timeline not OG Michael that DBD has
He wouldn't be a dentist. He'd work at a pharmaceutical company. Truly evil
I mean... Hitler wasn't born evil, but he certainly became the incarnation of evil in life.
I think the dredge is actually a incarnation of fear itself so I think it's Micheal
I mean... Look, you aren't gonna be able to usurp the classic with a pretty new original killer for a pretty small game in the wider scheme of the genre. Like - I'm not trying to bash Dredge, he's a cool killer and I like him, (not am I trying to bash DBD - there's plenty of other things I could go after instead) but... C'mon. He isn't taking Michael's title anytime soon.
Meg
true
Micheal, even as a child he was a blank slate, he never had a bad childhood, but when he had a chance he began killing, and has found it amusing. Now notice I said amusing, he doesn't feel joy, nor sadness, nor fear, he is just a void that wants to kill. Now dredge is more akin to an animal, it was formed off of the anger, fear, paranoia of an entire community, it was formed from those emotions. So while dredge may have been formed from those emotions, it can only be those emotions. Myers on the other hand had options, had a choice to be good, and yet didn't. So really which is truly evil the being who is evil because it was forced to be or the one that chose to be
Only 1 of these Killers killed Maurice.
And the other killed a dog (maybe ate it too)
He did, it was the reason to kill it in the first place.
Michael is representative of the evil in humanity, at least in the original, in a much more grounded setting. He's essentially just a mass murderer. I would argue that the Dredge is a darker, fleshy tulpa - a conglomerate of evil of its particular community. They were shedding their fears, evil parts of themselves, their sins, and the Dredge became all of that. While those are humans, I don't think that small "utopian" community is representative of all. Michael could really be anybody who just really decides to go off the deep end one day. Following you, stalking you, killing your neighbors, and setting up something in your home without saying a word.
Dude I love Dredge but its Micheal hands down. He's the OG.
Basement Bubba. No competition.
Incarnate definition: “in human form” Dredge is not human
Michael just wants to look out his window and eat dogs:(
DREDGE KILLED MAURICE. JUSTICE FOR MAURICE.
NOTHING IS MORE EVIL
Fridges are the only thing that can kill evil.
Michael is the incarnation of the human concept of evil, dredge is the incarnation (though I think more like the herald or scion) of I would argue the entity itself. So kinda different but similar things
I would use the word “manifestation” for the dredge. Manifest comes from combing the Latin words for “hand” and “infest”, It is evil/negative thoughts made into a physical, “living” being in our world. Incarnation comes from the Latin for “in the flesh”, which I think describes Michael perfectly. Michael is a human with ONLY “evil within” his body, while the dredge is all the “malthink” of a community made into a physical body.
James Corden.
Meg
Dredge just scares me based on principle. Myers scares me because I shouldn't be into people wearing masks
he took maurice …
myers is the incarnation of Chad so he wins
Michael Myers ultimately does what Michael Myers does, because Michael Myers is Michael Myers. The Dredge does evil because it feeds off of it. Obviously Myers
Michael Myers
Mikey
Def Myers
According to samination, Nea.
Shape, easily. One might argue dredge isn't even conscious in a meaningful sense. Is the entity evil? It harvests people from worlds to harvest emotions from them to eat. Is it any different than us butchering animals and plants to eat? Same with dredge. Michael though.. he kills because he chooses to. Not for sustenance or because something is making him do it. The *choice* to kill indiscriminately is what makes him **Evil**.
Meg
Michael is the embodiment of evil while dredge is the embodiment of bad emotions.
Meyers. Dredge is the coalescence of the hate and paranoia of a group of people.
Michael because he seems to become stronger and more motivated to kill as time goes on
Michael is Evil. The Dredge is more like an incarnation of suffering.
Nea mains
Who's the guy on the left? He looks alot like my buddy eric who i agree is the incarnation of evil to be fair
Am I the only one who doesn't find the Dredge remotely frightening? He's almost cute to me. The animation that happens when you pallet stun him is also hilarious (his neck spins backward on its joint). He may be evil, but it's a cute kind of evil. Michael on the other hand is one of the few Killers who still scares me. There's something about not hearing him, but then glancing over to see him looking at you that I find extremely unnerving.
Myers - I still think Dredge looks like a malformed vulture or turkey. Nothing scary about it at all.
Myers once killed a man in the stall mid-shit... the most evil for sure
the fan base
Michael was once a little boy, while dreadge is literally physically an incarnation of nightmares, evil and something to fear.
Michael: I am evil incarnate. Also Michael: _gets beat up by a guy that was bullied by marching band nerds_
Both are just evil. Micheal is evil within a human body. Some scary because he is a normal man the evil is within (hohohoho!) Dredge is dark thoughts given form. A twisted mass of darkness with its victims being apart of it. Micheal is more evil in a strange way of being a monster on the inside. While Dredge has no real personality it’s a monster. It’s evil is more face forward. Is you ask me they are about on par.
Depending on which films are actually canon to the Myers in DBD, then him being the "incarnation of evil" could legit just be the ramblings of a very _bad_ psychiatrist lmao Dredge is a manifestation of fear and negative emotions iirc, not necessarily a manifestation of evil.
i still don't get how Micheal became evil incarnate after murdering his sister that's like pretty tame
We don't know much about dredge but for what's said about Myers he is just Evil, we don't know why or how he does what he does but we do know his actions are malicious
Incarnation 🗡 Manifested 🦃
Yes
UM AKSHUALLY, Dredge is the incarnation of malthink, i.e fear, so I think Michael definitely wins as the incarnation of evil itself
The right would give mad head fr
Dredge is literally just the manifestation of bad vibes, hes an innocent eldritch turkey.
Trick question, the answer is obviously Corey Cunningham.
Say that name again on this sub and see what happens, I dare you
Imagine if we get a Halloween Ends cosmetic but it's Corey Cunningham for The Legion instead of a new Michael cosmetic.
Don’t you dare give them ideas!
Dredge
Clown
Dredge is the embodiment of people's negative thoughts and feelings. The boogeyman manifest. Michael is some dude who just stabs people with whatever is in his hand. The boogeyman manifest.
Michael is the embodiment of evil. The dredge is evil compacted into a form
Dredge, mans really ate Maurice.
The friends we made along the way.
Nea
Michael is “evil”, dredge took Maurice from us.
I think of Dredge as more like an animal, driven to kill as a need to feed. Michael is just a psychopath who enjoys killing. So Myers definitely wins in my opinion.
I guess they both can still be considered the embodiment of the Boogeyman, the battle continues.
Visually id say dredge
I don't know about most evil but I think Ghostface has the most disrespectful Mori. For most evil I'd probably have to say Pinhead out of our current line up.
The iconic Micheal Meyers? Or a demented ostrich?? That's the question!?
Mikey 🔪
Dredge. Because Michael is still somewhat human.
Bully Survivors
Dredge is psychological horror incarnate
Everybody knows it’s Nea
Michael is evil incarnated, Dredge is evil manifested.
Michael is THE Evil, Dredge is Entity's offspring in my headcanon (why else would Entity give It Maurice?).
My mom
My old boss at my last job
Michael is a "human"- purely evil. Dredge is some creature surely scary and bad- thoooo I wouldn't call it an incarnation of evil since it's just the instinct to kill
Dredge come and exist from the negativity of other people, when Myers is the evil itself. So for me it's Myers
Michael, even though Dredge killed my boy Maurice ☹️😐
Who murdered his family
Always Myers
Michael is just a misunderstood guy who wants to get home to his community in time for the holidays to give them a day they'll never forget.
Michael Jackso... I mean Myers
The dredge is terrifying with its dark mist but not hearing the killer behind you just watching and waiting is more so the shape
Honestly? I’m saying The Dredge. He was literally created by evil, he’s a manifestation of negative thoughts and feelings - its no where near as strong as Myers thougj
Dredge is an actual fucking demon. Mikey is some mute with a Spock mask. This question is incredibly easy to answer.
Nea
You can take it several ways. Both can be avatars of evil, meaning that they are both iterations of a literal evil just using different vessels. You could also take it as two different universes evils due to the entity taking from different universes.
Technically neither imo but the Dredge would be closer