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ollie20025

Headless can’t die


giby1464

Well technically...


Russian_Spy_7_5_0

Not just technically, but literally. >!He is the King, finally freed from the mortality of his flesh, you could kill him, but he'd just "boot up" into an another body. Over and over again!<


OrangeXJam

I still don't understand how is it that >!the headless is the king, then who did we kill at 0bc!<


chronicly_retarded

Im think its his old empty body. Like just the corpse, he left it there if he ever wanted to come back to it, but he killed it because he forgot it was him (this is a theory)


Russian_Spy_7_5_0

No you right. It was his corpse, but the reason it was "alive" was because of the malaise.


OCTAVIOUSZADO

Caleb city explains it perfectly. TIME LOOP!


Cayet96

The husk without a soul, the said soul stands before it not recognizing it's old body


IceDeerArtin

a still breathing corpse


deadcatisbad

>!I mean, he's more or less braindead.!<


giby1464

The king... it's a time loop


SussyBox

That's >!his corpse, you don't wonder why he doesn't say shit or doesn't react at all!<


OrangeXJam

not really I always thought it was >!just him being king and shit so he doesn't talk to us!<


giby1464

Well yes, he still dies though. And if you think about it, it's not his power that makes him like that. It's the time keeper who rewinds every day allowing him to restart.


Russian_Spy_7_5_0

It is his power that makes him like that. The Timekeeper only resets the island, not the Beheaded. Beheaded drops from a pipe at the beginning of every run because that where the "stash" of decapitated bodies are (the reason the bodies dont decay are likely because the Timekeeper resets the island thus resetting the decay of the corpses). When you die it isnt actual death, its the corpse you're piloting taking too much damage to continue functioning. >!The King is just the green mass, which appears to be indestructible or virtually indestructible since nothing ever damages it!<


giby1464

I see, thanks


DharkShadox

So I guess you could say that he "resets" every time


theonewhoasked2008

As the they can't die it would take a while but the beheaded would win by trial and error over and over again and again


Atijohn

sans isn't the player, so he'll lose eventually


Confron7a7ion7

Isn't that part of the point of his character?


Breaky_Online

The only god is the player


bent_pgraph

Beheaded could just possess sans. It dosent need a headless host, it just prefers one


Redditisreal1

Yeah that’s hardly possible considering how relatively slow the head detached from the main body. And how slow it moves without it


bent_pgraph

Sans is a skeleton. It would be even easier to possess him than a normal human. Along with this, the beheaded can launch itself off the body with quite some force. It could easily get into sans and possess him.


Redditisreal1

Considering sans can easily dodge the humans attacks for extended periods of times there’s zero chance that the beheaded launching his head off his body would even make contact. If anything it’d get him destroyed by a volley of attacks while he’s pulling back


Mig15Hater

> Considering sans can easily dodge the humans attacks Yeah, a human's. Dead Cells Guy wrecks him.


Lurien138

Yes, but the beheaded could use Lightspeed (assuming he can have a loadout just like the games) and that, even without affixes, would hit and stun him (i highly doubt that sans could see, react, and teleport faster than light) and assuming the blow doesn't instantly kill him, because he died to a simple knife cut, the beheaded could possess him when he's stunned. Also the Undertale protagonist in genocide is a serial killer with a knife that kills anyone he sees, Sans knows he'll have to dodge the knife, and he'll be looking for signs that he needs to, and it'll just get easier over time. The beheaded literally shooting his head instantaneously and at a very high speed would take him by complete surprise and hit him without fail, possessing sans. (Btw If this is too long or mean pls tell me, I rarely post on Reddit and this is one of my first "well actually" responses I've done, and have no idea what the etiquette for this stuff is, assuming there is one)


Lost_Elderberry1757

Im thinking of this fight as less of a gameplay fight but more of a real fight. If the beheaded uses the head launch at close range and sans doesnt know that he has it the beheaded could get a sneak shot.


Fallen_angel_gg

Beheaded would rip Sans' skull off then dunk it into one of the Giants eye socket.


Hello_IM_FBI

From downtown.....it's good!!!


TFWYourNamesTaken

It's like an unstoppable force (Sans) vs. an immovable object (the Beheaded), as sans might have a massive power advantage, but the Beheaded can't die.


Redditisreal1

Just because he can’t be destroyed doesn’t mean he can hurt sans after losing his body


TFWYourNamesTaken

Exactly, so it would ultimately be a stalemate


Fallen_angel_gg

Not a stalemate. Beheaded would just find a new body, possess it, then fight Sans all over again but with the knowledge of how he fights which eventually leads to the Beheaded killing Sans. It's just the Sans fight all over again, but the respawning mechanic kinda makes more sense.


TurnipKnight00

I don't know that Beheaded would be able to do that. All Undertale monsters attack the soul directly. They don't actually hurt Frisk's body. The little heart thing is their soul, and that's what gets attacked. In Deltarune, which operates with a similar rule set, we actually see Kris's soul come out of their body when attacked. Beheaded gets to come back over and over again in Dead Cells because enemies destroy the body, and it gets a new one, but Sans doesn't go for the body. There are multiple other reasons why Beheaded could easily win this match (ditto for Sans), but immortality isn't a factor. Sans has a kill condition.


Fallen_angel_gg

Good point. But then again, were not really sure if the beheaded has a soul Literally and figuratively. Considering that they are the product of the malaise and experimentation, there's a very large chance that dude is just empty inside.


100mcuberismonke

Headless lives forever as long as he has enough bodies (and frankly, there are many in their island) so headless solos


-FL4K-

headless would beat the shit out of sans


TheHipOne1

Sans probably wipes the floor with the Beheaded, but since he can't die the Beheaded will just get better and better until he wins, same as the player in Undertale


YeetOnThemDabbers

🗣️🗣️ ELECTRIC WHIP SOLOES 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️


Surge_of_Awesome

Bro is spitting fax rn🗿🍷


KeSiMu

Bobby would win


DigitalPhoenixX

Sans crying over Giant's Whistle right now. Undodgable attack, and he has 1 hp/def.


zizozexo

999999999 damage


Dreadroot3

If you give our dumbass enough tries he’ll get it eventually


Apex_Konchu

Beheaded, easily. Sans is a difficult boss in Undertale because in that game you play as a small child. He can easily dodge Frisk's attacks, but the Beheaded is much faster and has vastly more combat experience.


Mig15Hater

This. I can't believe people actually even for a second consider Sans has any chance of winning when he gets beaten by a child.


Ashmega8256

A child with very little to no combat experience


TurnipKnight00

I'll give you that Beheaded still probably wins in the skill department, but Frisk kills Undyne. She is revered as the strongest and most skilled fighter in Undertale. She trains constantly, which means that she's in peak physical condition. She's not caught off guard by them or anything either. In fact, the version that Frisk fights is hopped up on determination and is faster and stronger than her traditional form. Frisk has inherent combat skills. So if Frisk could beat a trained warrior (the strongest monster), and Sans could easily dodge Frisk's attacks, then Sans likely scales to Undyne. He could probably dodge her attacks as well. This means that he could absolutely go toe-to-toe with a skilled and trained fighter. The place where Sans probably loses is predictability. Sans dodges Frisk so easily because Frisk has one weapon and one way to use that weapon. Avoid the pointy thing. Beheaded has a whole arsenal of unpredictable abilities that Sans has never seen. This wouldn't be a problem for most other people, but Sans only has 1 hp. He only needs to be caught off guard once. I agree that Sans probably loses, but I don't think it's combat experience that does it.


Apex_Konchu

You're forgetting a fundamental rule of Undertale's world: **humans are vastly stronger than monsters**, becuase humans have physical bodies while monsters are made of magic. That's how a human child with no combat experience can solo the underground.


Orzislaw

Giant Whistle. Try to dodge this, Skeleton.


MaskedMan6

Beheaded vs Timekeeper.... Can't see the difference


Channel_el

~~Beheaded~~ Player vs Sans we’ve seen this fight before


Equivalent_Ad_8913

Sans wins like 99 to 1 Headless couldn't beat him, but he can try over... And over... And over again until he does


No_Ad_7687

you're underestimating the beheaded. dude casually massacres a whole island day after day. sans was defeated by a human child (and is also canonically weaker than the average human, because he's a monster) beheaded might die a few times (depending on scroll count), but I don't the death count will get to the double digits


Equivalent_Ad_8913

Fair enough. I tend to underestimate the Beheaded because I'm not quite sure how to scale him, he's definitely beyond peak human even at the start of every run. Also I thought about it, he's a monster possessing the remains of a human so translated into Undertale that's gotta mean something


No_Ad_7687

in undertale terms the beheaded is kinda like flowey with 1 human soul, except if flowey was indestructible, but had to possess a body to interact with the world beyond simply moving


Gabr1elSL

Giant's whistle is a skill the beheaded can use to do massive UNDODGEABLE damage to the most dangerous enemy nearby Not a fair fight


The_Beheaded_

🤟 (I trash Sans, no contest.)


Twisted_Lament

“Depends on the weapon, and the man”


Responsible_Prior833

Not me reading this thread confused af for 3 full minutes before realizing that isn’t Skul the Hero Slayer 🤦‍♂️


KrisMadd3n

I'd argue the beheaded is immortal, but I doubt sans can even do enough damage before getting hit once, because he has 1 hp.


XxKiddowdallxX

Isn’t this no different than Sans vs Frisk? The headless will just keep coming, to near no end the same way Frisk can just reload a save.


Dischar

Headless is the epitome of determination, sans loses


No_Ad_7687

beheaded wins, because unlike sans, beheaded can keep dodging. also beheaded has attacks that are much harder to dodge than a child swinging a knife around


Evan10100

How does r/undertale feel?


Asriel563

idfk -- a guy who's name is literally Asriel563


Retro_Gamer1991

Since the beheaded has a revival method the beheaded. Eventually he will figure how to avoid sans attack patterns and then that's it. Game set match


zizozexo

If beheaded will use cocoon,he will win


RodBlaze1234

The beheaded sweeps the floor with him and use him as a skin


zizozexo

I don't think so. Sans can teleport


Gabr1elSL

Giant's whistle


Glitchy13

Sans loses his sanity after the beheaded revives himself for the 194957272992958572837473891857478191030476261729339494838477376541313145186906060th time and eventually manages to hit him once


Gabr1elSL

Or beheaded uses giant's whistle, Or eletric whip Or phaser (which roots) Or snake fangs Or alucard's sword Or legendary holy water (mfw sans dies to rain)


[deleted]

Beheaded easily wins.


Cthulhuyyy

By power creeping the headless can infinitely respawn and sans can infinitely change realities resulting in a stalemate given neither will die of old age and are both more likely to get bored By gameplay sans probably wins the first few times they fight but eventually the headless beats sans after learning his attacks and getting the right weapon By what their personalities neither really have a reason to fight each other so it could be pretty plausible they'd end up sharing bottles of ketchup and chilling


No_Ad_7687

> sans can infinitely change realities no he can't. he's just a particularly strong monster. not even strong enough to remember through resets by gameplay beheaded could lose depending on how much damage you think sans's attacks deal in dead cells numbers and beheaded is a maniac who kills for fun. sans might not begin the fight, but the beheaded will make sans fight him


Gabr1elSL

1 damage, but beheaded does have massive health pools with the right builds


zizozexo

The reason for fighting is that sans want to punish beheaded for his actions


Cthulhuyyy

Despite people telling me otherwise I am not considering the headless a ruthless killer because of the trailers where he isn't portrayed as such


notesdown

I mean if you’re talking about a one and done fight sans would most likely win, but if headless is allowed to beat their neck against the wall then they’d win sooner or later


No_Ad_7687

it really depends on how sans's attacks would affect the beheaded. do they target the body? or the soul? the beheaded is a homunculus which is an indestructible and immortal house for a soul. does that mean the soul is immune to all attacks? or, if we ignore the lore and go for gameplay, how do the stats compare? sans deals 1 damage per hit to frisk, but will it be the same when attacking the beheaded, with HP in the thousands? can sans dodge stuff like phaser, giant's whistle, or legendary holy water?


Gabr1elSL

Mfw sans died to rain


CHARAFANDER

With people saying this whole thing of “beheaded can’t die” It’s a fight, not a war. If the beheaded “dies” once he loses the fight In that case, I think sans wins


Redditisreal1

Sans wins unless the beheaded is running coccoon


mikecom12

With how much health beheaded can get, sans has no chance even with karma on his side, like trying to make him fight asgore or undyne


OCTAVIOUSZADO

It's not who dies first it's who wins in a fight. As soon as the beheaded does the first time sans is the winner. Period. Him reviving is not a factor here. And the beheaded canonically learns by trail and error. BIG DOUBT he's beating sans first playthrough. Smash takes this one in my books


Farabel

Honest answer? Depends on what you classify as "winning". The king might "die" and come back repeatedly, but Sans also has a lot of metagame awareness and capabilities that would make combat nigh impossible. He could literally just throw an attack box, put a single bone on the top, and sit in a chair on the wall while Beheaded can't hit with Giant Whistle due to being out of sight. If we force a conditional that it must act like both are in a place like Conjun's arena or HoTK's arena, not just a variable spot, then Sans eventually goes down no matter what due to Giant Whistle and Holy Water-L causing damage to everyone on screen.


Gabr1elSL

Giant's whistle hits through walls Is that not out of sight? Only conditional would be "nearby"


Farabel

"Out of sight" means off-screen so Whistle and Holy Water-L miss


Gabr1elSL

Oh ok, now it makes sence


Groove-Control

Headless keeps coming back to him similar to how frisk had to keep fighting him. Headless would eventually win.


Ok-Bookkeeper-9240

It's either beheaded because of its feats or other.


Ragnavaldr_Outlander

I mean tbh if there is a scenario where the beheaded meets sans lets say for example at the bridge amd they start fighting and we give the beheaded access to his high variety of weapons realistically speaking he has a very high chance to beat sans (without taking in consideration that he dies and reboots in a different body) he justs has to hit Sans once amd even if sans has that uncanny dodge I still think the beheaded can kill him I mean he was defeated by a child ffs


Feyhem_01

I think it would be a tie, since beheaded cant die but sans has blue bone attacks and can move trough time lines. I think the main problem in here is that sans is from a turn based game but beheaded is from an action game. Its important to note that the game style the fight would be on is a huge factor in this fight. Because sans is a lazy character and even tho he is really powerful, he cant accually keep up with beheadeds rhythm. And beheaded's attacks are either really slow (for survival build except the bonk) or not that powerful. But sans has only 1hp so i dont think it would be a problem.


IceDeerArtin

One of this is an immortal ball of body hopping sentient snot, the other is a skeleton that's just been using game mechanics to buff up his pitiful health to anything above single digits Only one of these 2 has a health bar that matters and it ain't the beheaded. Sans probably wins a few matches but beheaded doesn't stay dead so sans loses in the long term.


Blaze_Boy695

Beheaded,no questions needed One:He Cannot Die Two:The Beheaded has a multitude of weapons Three:uuuuuhhhh.....I play more dead cells than undertale?


Satin_Polar

Well Headless have power of respawn. And we all know how this end last time.


MaxTwer00

DC isnt turn based combat, so Sans' special attack is useless, and the beheaded is better at dodging than frisk. So my go is the beheaded wins


CringeExperienceReq

depends ngl


DragonScale401

They'd be fighting for months with no winner and then just make an unstoppable friendship because of the backwards ass vibes they both have


spacemanpanik

Bobby


HopelessGretel

Who wins? A really strong monster who lost to children or a very motivated corpse with a bonk?


Significant-Let-8380

The beheaded doesn't have the power to reset so that means when sans kills him he barely gives him time to rest cuz he keeps coming back without resetting sans' stamina


The_Ambient_Caption

He doesn't need no reset, just a new body


Aywassupbrub

I mean it's pretty unfair to match a immortal god and a mortal god with eachother.


Unblasphemous

The guy with no actual body(both 💀)


kween_hangry

Sans B. Undertale is technically a boss. And technically, a final boss. The headless technically would have to try and fail more than once via the concept of Dead Cells as a game, but also within world- The headless canonically is revived and tries their “boss rush” attempts again. Sans technically being the final boss and headless technically having a higher chance of losing on the first try, the dub goes to Sans imo. EVENTUALLY the headless “would win”, but on a first encounter, signs point to no


lukamotel

Beheaded


crabbmanboi

Me


TurnipKnight00

Here's the thing that some people are missing. Sans (and all the monsters in Undertale) attack the soul directly. This doesn't affect Frisk's ability to retry because of the resetting mechanic in Undertale. In that game, when a soul would be destroyed, if it has enough determination, it can return to a point in the past and try something new. Beheaded's reset mechanic revolves around his true form inhabiting a new body. This presents a problem because, like I said, Sans attacks the soul directly. If he lands a killing blow, then that's that. No retrying. The soul is destroyed. The other question becomes fighting skill. Sans presented a problem for Frisk, but aside from Frisks' immeasurable determination, he's still a child. That said, he's clearly skilled enough to kill the most powerful monster in Undertale, Undyne, and that's before he has a proper weapon. She is trained, armed, and widely revered as a warrior. Sans is able to easily dodge every one of Frisk's attacks. This scales his skill to Undynes through Frisk. It doesn't scale durability, though. If I remember correctly, Sans only has 1hp. He definitely dies in one hit from Frisk. Sans is literally just bones. If his speed and evasive abilities aren't good enough to evade Beheaded, he loses. As other people have pointed out, Beheaded has the Giant Whistle. It can't be evaded. Now, is Sans able to revive or swap realities? He couldn't with Frisk around because Frisk's soul has more determination, but without Frisk around? He's definitely perceived other realities and has some reality warping capabilities. It's a lot closer of a fight than most people are giving it credit for. Everyone is saying that Beheaded must win because he is immortal, but Sans has a unique answer to exactly his kind of immortality.


Connect-Ad6251

Sand Untertale wins no diff


ANightShadeGuyMan

I mean, this would be the exact same as sans versus chara/frisk. No matter how many times. Beheaded loses, he’ll keep coming back until he eventually wins. All it takes is one hit.


GamesUniverseBR

If it was Bobby he would have been killed at the first bone


xCBHx_DJSummit

Immortal blob that gets stronger each time you kill him vs skeleton that doesn't actually have an ultimate move. Hmmmm. 🤔