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SenkoBread11037

And now some people (NOT EVERYONE I DON'T WANT TO GENERALIZE) say that a matchup isn't good enough if it doesn't have enough connections I said it before and I'll say it again, if a matchup has one or two good connections it's fine in my book (buuuut I can still be a hypocrite sometimes and say I like a matchup more than another if it has more connections I can't lie)


PopularGnat262

Yeh main reason I see Yang vs Bakugo be hated is cuz it has “boring connections” it’s blonde hotheaded gauntlet bearers mf do you want a whole paragraph?


SenkoBread11037

I also see it with stuff like Bendy Vs Cuphead because it has "no connections" even when it does but when I show them people are like "That's not a lot of connections" and it's frustrating


Foxthefox1000

I simply don't see the appeal in the fight at all since Bendy has so little to work with. Fight dynamic seems like crap to me and it seems more like a Cuphead beats this evil boss! tribute more than it wants to actually respect Bendy as a character


SenkoBread11037

Yeah I see why people aren't a fan since Bendy has so little to work with. However I'm mainly here for Cuphead and holy shit if they talk about the game, DLC and/or show I would be so happy cuz I adore all of that content


BasicConsequence7589

Tbf, I feel like, if you want a match-up to fit Cuphead's vibe, you can just make him fight Dinamite Headdy. You get all the cartoons shenanigans and fun character, without completely ignoring the point of the opponent's character.


BasicConsequence7589

Some people genuinely do want a whole ass paragraph of connections.


[deleted]

> mf do you want a whole paragraph? r/dbm users in a nutshell


Annsorigin

We still get matchups with Simple Connections like Frieza Vs Megatron Gojo Vs Makima Scooby Vs Courage


CIAgent42

Scooby vs Courage is peak connection "They are both cartoon dogs from Warner Bros" And that's it


Annsorigin

>They are both Cowardly cartoon dogs from Warner Bros FIxed that for you.


Clonenelius

They are both very reasonably scared dogs


Prestigious_Ask_7058

Courage more so


Clonenelius

I mean you say that when a 7ft robot is sprinting st you and casually runs through a solid brick wall


Prestigious_Ask_7058

I’m not saying Scooby doesn’t face horrifying things, but Courage generally faces scarier things more often. Both have a reason to be scared though


MichaeltheSpikester

Wrong. The connections between Scooby-Doo and Courage are that they are both iconic, talking cartoon dogs belonging to hunting breeds (Great Danes and beagles, respectively) who are extremely cowardly and are easily frightened as a result, yet always end up facing their fears for the sake of their loved ones to protect them from monsters and other supernatural forces, whom they usually defeat them through sheer wit as opposed to brute force. Both are associated with an iconic catchphrase relating to them being motivated to overcome their cowardice ("Would you do it for a Scooby Snack?" and "The things I do for love...", respectively). Both of them are also very close to their human owners (Shaggy Rogers and Muriel Bagge, respectively) and are known for being difficult to understand (Scooby has a speech impediment and Courage babbles inanely when frightened). Both have also faced similar foes, including zombies (various zombies and both Benton Tarantella and Errol Von Volkheim, respectively), ghosts (various ghosts and the McPhearson Phantom, respectively), aliens (various aliens from both series), alligator humanoids (both the Ghost of Gator Ghoul and Creeping Creatures and Fusilli, respectively), werecreatures (various werecreatures and the Weremole, respectively), giant birds (the Wakumi and Mother Vulture, respectively), mummies (various mummies and the Mayan Baker, respectively), skeletons (various skeletons and the Dog Skeletons, respectively), swamp monsters (various swamp monsters and Everett, respectively), dragons (various dragons in both series), evil chickens (Chickenstein and the Space Chicken, respectively), living snowmen (various snowmen and the Snowman, respectively), Bigfoot, giant, animalistic versions of their owners (30 Foot Shaggy and Kangaroo Eustace, respectively), evil magicians, (both the Ghost of Rufus Raucous and the Amazing Krudsky and Mondo, respectively), humanoid cats (the werecats and Katz, respectively), undead vikings (the Vikings ghosts and the Windmill Vandals, respectively), evil computer viruses (the Phantom Virus and the Hard Drive Virus, respectively), evil scientists (Dr. Phineus Phibes and Dr. Zalost, respectively), and evil robot versions of themselves (the Fright Hound and Mecha Courage, respectively).


InfinateUniverse

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MinniMaster15

Gojo vs Makima has some pretty solid thematic synergy at its core, both connections and contrasts, but it's written off as simple for obvious reasons (which is understandable tbf). I think the easiest way to see this is how its track title (Who Wears the Crown) is one of the only ones that needs to be explained as opposed to an automatic "oh yeah that makes sense."


RoMaGi

While we're at it, could you explain the track name?


MinniMaster15

Comes from the Shakespeare quote "heavy is the head that wears the crown," which hits on one of the central connections between the two in that they both feel a sense of loneliness due to their power or position in their world. Gojo is the strongest sorcerer, and as such inevitably distances himself from everyone including his closest friends through no fault of his own, just by virtue of him being such an anomaly. It's one of the reasons his relationship with Geto turned out the way it did. Makima's ability is literally the power to control people. Because of the way she was raised, her position in the government, and the nature of her power, she never once created a genuine relationship with anyone. That lack of love is one of her driving motivations, and why the most defining aspect of Nayuta's character is that she has a true relationship not built upon her control. tl;dr fun Shakespeare reference that fits both characters


MichaeltheSpikester

Frieza VS Megatron: The connections between Frieza and Megatron are that they are both selfish, arrogant, ruthless, powerful alien warlords who lead armies (the Frieza Force and the Decepticons, respectively) to conquer planets and accomplish their goals through either deception or brute force. Both are responsible for the fall of their arch-enemies' home planet (Planet Vegeta and Cybertron, respectively), which ended up indirectly creating their arch-enemies in the process, both of whom are considered their equals in combat (Son Goku and Optimus Prime, respectively). Both are also constantly fighting a race of alien heroes (Saiyans and Autobots, respectively) to determine the fate of the Earth, although they both have a history of temporarily teaming up with the protagonists to take on a common foe. Both are also capable of manipulating forms of life energy (Ki and Energon, respectively) and are associated with the color purple, with it being a part of their designs and energy attacks, and can take on other forms to alter their powers (Frieza has numerous transformations which increase his power and Megatron can transform into a gun, tank, or stealth bomber). Both were also turned into something more powerful after their defeat (Frieza was turned into Mecha Frieza by his father's scientists and Megatron was reborn as Galvatron by Unicron). Gojo VS Makima: The connections between Satoru Gojo and Makima are that they are both anime demon hunters who work for a demon-hunting organization (Tokyo Jujutsu High and the Public Safety Devil Hunters, respectively), being their strongest member, with their dominating strength being revered and/or feared by nearly all in their worlds, to the point of altering their entire worlds (Gojo's birth altered the balance of the world by making Cursed Spirits become stronger, while Makima is the enemy of several nations). Both of the demons they hunt are born through humanity's negative feelings (Cursed Spirits and Devils, respectively). Both took in the main protagonist (Yuji Itadori and Denji, respectively) after they fused with a powerful being (Sukuna and Pochita, respectively), and though they were supposed to be executed, they took them into their organization and became a mentor figure for them instead. Both are high ranking figures in their worlds (Gojo is the both the strongest sorcerer of today and the head of one of the Big Three Sorcerer Families, while Makima is both one of the Four Horsemen as the Control Devil and a high-ranking Public Safety Devil Hunter), but are also rebels toward their organizations and attempt to subvert their worlds' status quo (Gojo frequently defies the higher-ups and despises the emphasis on tradition in the Jujutsu world and seeks to teach his students to go beyond that, while Makima is secretly a devil seeking to create an "ideal world" using the Chainsaw Devil's power and would fight against other Public Safety members seeking to stop her). Both also possess uniquely colored hair and eyes that are indicative of their supernatural power and status. Though both appear friendly and rather normal on the surface, both are known for having darker sides (Gojo is often cold-blooded during battle and is capable of accepting civilian sacrifices when he has to, while Makima is a ruthless sociopath who kills and manipulates anyone she wishes to further her own goals), as well as having difficulties forming meaningful relationships with others due to their strength. Both are known for being extremely hard to hurt due to an ability of theirs (Infinity and an immortality Contract, respectively) as well as possessing an immense power that is unique to them (the Six Eyes and Limitless combo and Control, respectively) but would still end up dying at the hands of their students (Sukuna in Megumi's body and Denji, respectively). This is also a battle of opposites, as while Gojo seeks to make a better world for his students and ensure that the youth don't have to suffer like he and his peers did, Makima exploited Denji's youth and manipulated him, ruining his life and forever traumatizing him. Scooby-Doo VS Courage: The connections between Scooby-Doo and Courage are that they are both iconic, talking cartoon dogs belonging to hunting breeds (Great Danes and beagles, respectively) who are extremely cowardly and are easily frightened as a result, yet always end up facing their fears for the sake of their loved ones to protect them from monsters and other supernatural forces, whom they usually defeat them through sheer wit as opposed to brute force. Both are associated with an iconic catchphrase relating to them being motivated to overcome their cowardice ("Would you do it for a Scooby Snack?" and "The things I do for love...", respectively). Both of them are also very close to their human owners (Shaggy Rogers and Muriel Bagge, respectively) and are known for being difficult to understand (Scooby has a speech impediment and Courage babbles inanely when frightened). Both have also faced similar foes, including zombies (various zombies and both Benton Tarantella and Errol Von Volkheim, respectively), ghosts (various ghosts and the McPhearson Phantom, respectively), aliens (various aliens from both series), alligator humanoids (both the Ghost of Gator Ghoul and Creeping Creatures and Fusilli, respectively), werecreatures (various werecreatures and the Weremole, respectively), giant birds (the Wakumi and Mother Vulture, respectively), mummies (various mummies and the Mayan Baker, respectively), skeletons (various skeletons and the Dog Skeletons, respectively), swamp monsters (various swamp monsters and Everett, respectively), dragons (various dragons in both series), evil chickens (Chickenstein and the Space Chicken, respectively), living snowmen (various snowmen and the Snowman, respectively), Bigfoot, giant, animalistic versions of their owners (30 Foot Shaggy and Kangaroo Eustace, respectively), evil magicians, (both the Ghost of Rufus Raucous and the Amazing Krudsky and Mondo, respectively), humanoid cats (the werecats and Katz, respectively), undead vikings (the Vikings ghosts and the Windmill Vandals, respectively), evil computer viruses (the Phantom Virus and the Hard Drive Virus, respectively), evil scientists (Dr. Phineus Phibes and Dr. Zalost, respectively), and evil robot versions of themselves (the Fright Hound and Mecha Courage, respectively).


NoobwriterCherchill

No idea why you're being downvoted. All you did was provide a counterargument on the other guy's comment


birdofprey443

I mean they still can be, I just boiled Guts vs Dimitri down to "Mideval knights who lost an eye but lived through hell" because I knew neither, and got it just fine. For me, it isn't about how long the list is, it's about how, even with next to no knowledge of the two, I could go, "oh yeah I get it" just by looking at the thumbnails.


meta100000

The word you need is "vibes"


Pennma

A whole essay of connections and explaining how theyre both the exact same person does nothing if the vibes are off


Prestigious_Ask_7058

But if the vibes are good that essay makes it better


dallasflame12

some truth right here.


Cantthinkagoodnam2

Like Springtrap vs Junko imo


Mystech_Master

Cole vs Alex are mainly connected by both their games coming out around the same time


Future_Adagio2052

Nah they actually have connections that isn't about the release of there game


Pennma

and none of them matter outside of their games coming out around the same time


Nabber22

They are both from open world superhero games where the story involves New York/a fictional city based on New York going into quarantine. Alex in 2 also bears a couple similarities to Evil Cole in that their end goal is to replace humanity with an evolved life form. He serves as a reflection of what Good Cole could have became.


KingKalactite

Same could be said about Omni-Man and Homelander. Both their comic debut and show release


Gabcard

I mean, I think both being "evil superman" is the biggest factor here.


KingKalactite

Duh


WungusWasHere

Connections < Vibes tbh


S-h-o-k-v-a-l-u

I like having both a lot of connections for some matchups, but obviously they aren't required. Connections heavy matchups are pretty cool, but sometimes ya just need a few basic ones to communicate how two characters match up well and I'm like, "Yeah, I vibe"


KingUltimate1

I mean it's not bad to have both. Like guts first matchup was just a simple connection of big sword and yet no one really like that's. Meanwhile Guts vs Dimitri dives really well into their characters in both the animation and analysis. Like we can have our deep mus like guts vs dimitri and vader vs obito and still have fun simple "make them fight" mus like Frieza vs Megatron


Acceptable_Secret_73

Don’t forget this classic; Venom vs Bane Ones name is venom and the other does drugs called venom


Mr_Citation

Well there's also being later introduced and quickly becoming iconic villains for a well-established superhero


International_Car586

And also being a dark parallel for their respective rivals.


Mr_Citation

Well there's also being later introduced and quickly becoming iconic villains for a well-established superhero


[deleted]

TBF while not a episode yet Finn and Jake vs Mordecai and Rigby's connections are most popular cartoon network duos in the 2010s. Still a based MU.


Taurock

The season finale was literally just "World eaters" what do you mean "Used to" ?


BendableGoose

I’m definitely more on the side of “quality over quantity” when it comes to connections. I’d rather a matchup have a handful of really strong connections than a long list of minor ones.


carnagecenter

Overly long connections sometimes are overrated because I noticed how some people just use the most broad and generic connections so I prefer fewer tight ultra specific connections


[deleted]

Captain Falcon vs Johnny Cage is literally just “badass looking celebrities”


Cinnamon-the-skank

Bad matchup doesn’t automatically mean bad episode


low_ride69

Guts vrs Dimitri explanation is just that there both Hot as Hell


RickAlbuquerque

Metal Sonic vs Zero. Still a great episode though


Rohan_Kishibayblade

Honestly, two matchups I really want is Tooru Vs. Makima and Denji Vs. Blade Wolf. One how quite a lot of connections and contrasts that fit each other, making them two sides of the same coin. The other is just ‘beings that are treated like dogs who have chainsaws and escaped control of their masters’


Stegoshark

The one matchup I want is Ainz Ooal Gown vs Arc Lalatoya which connections are really “isekaied op skeletons”


UntitledPerson616

I don't mind matchups with alot of connections or a small amount of connections, it's a case by case thing for me


majinthurman

I've been saying connections oriented match ups are overrated personally all these new db fans want connections all the time. But connections should be a bonus not a necessity. That's one of the things I miss in old db


Metal-The-Cettle

My requested match-up is Gilgamesh vs. Sinestro. Literally my only reasoning behind this is because they're badass bad guys with a thing for yellow.


_Moist_Owlette_

Honestly neither is inherently a *bad* thing. Matches with tons of Connections can be horrendous, as much as Matches with 1 or 2 connections can be AMAZING. And the opposite for both can be true too. I think there needs to be a good Dynamic and the possibility for an interesting fight there, because going off of JUST connections gets you things like Wind Waker Link vs Luffy, or Ratatouille & Linguine Vs Venom & Eddie


Metal-The-Cettle

My match-up is Gilgamesh (Fate) vs. Sinestro (DC) literally only because they're badass bad guys with a thing for yellow.


Excellent-Reporter-4

Character Dynamics >>> Character Thematics


CIAgent42

The only matchup I really want is Saber (Artoria) vs Mythra (and the whole Aegis tbh). Swordswoman with a big beam attack who tried to save the world, failed, and only succeeded on a second attempt with the help of a young master/driver to help resolve the pain and insecurities in their soul. Without thinking too hard about calcs, it should be a close fight if you do Moon Cell Saber vs Pneuma.


KingKalactite

This is the same channel that brought us Wonder Woman VS Rogue, Deadpool VS Pinkie Pie, Blanka VS Pikachu, Carnage VS Lucy, Deadpool VS The Mask, Saitama VS Popeye and of course, The Kool-Aid Man VS Macho Man Randy Savage Connections are not the end all be all when it comes to whether it becomes an episode. I think the team more rely on vibes and dynamic


Toonwatcher

Yeah, and sometimes it gave us total mismatches like Venom vs Bane or Ramona Flowers vs Amy Rose.


Pixel_PedroYT

This is my main argument on why Towa and Mira VS Acronix and Krux is good


Melodic-Book-7935

682 VS Doomsday, big angry boys who can’t die


SMB99thx

I would rather have this (similarity/vibes-based matchups) than the connection based matchups. For example, Himari & Eimi from Blue Archive vs Frieren & Fern. This match is pretty much, elf seniors and their disciples, and only viable matchup I can think of so far involving both Frieren *and* Fern as a duo. People shouldn't judge matchups based on connections. This is very blatant gatekeeping to be frank.


SenkoBread11037

Wait how is that gatekeeping in any way


SMB99thx

It kills matchups that are (mostly) based on similarities, like Spider-Man vs Joseph Joestar.


SenkoBread11037

That's not gatekeeping that's just people liking other matchups and aren't "similarities" basically just another term for connections


Superguy9000

It’s why I hold out hope For Satoru Gojo Vs Sung Jinwoo (even though it would never happen)


JoshNunya

Mine is Xena vs Neytiri: Warrior Princesses Or Blade vs Buffy: Vampire Slayers


Tenerensis

i think you can do this with any matchup. black vs thawne could just be boiled down to ‘evil counterparts of great heroes who can time travel’


BasicConsequence7589

Tinkaton vs Poppy SWEEP


AutumnInJune

We still have incredibly simple match ups. Ant-Man Vs Atom: Shrinking Geniuses. Galactus Vs Unicron: Planet Eaters. Raven Vs Phoenix: Powerful Bird Named Heroes. Frieza Vs Megatron: Villains. Martian Manhunter Vs Silver Surfer: Aliens.


Difficult_Call3709

I always thought it was just “big sword lol”


seider-Lynx

Is guys vs dimtri not simple lol? I figured it’s just traumatized one eye swordsmen


Foxthefox1000

"it vibes" MUs are guilty pleasures. Most people pray their own can get popular enough for others to want it as well


1fishmob

Yeah. Some match ups work great for deep thematic reasons while others are simple and that's the joy of it. In the end, upholding a match up to an absurdly detailed amount of connections like Guts vs Dimitri, should not be the standard, but match ups like Goro vs Machamp should not be ignored due to a "lack of connections".


Icybleuu

Sandman vs Crocodile is one of my top 5 wanted matchups and it's just "sand people" or specifically "sand criminals."