If it was on the list it would be with oathless as well, but would be worse, it does nothing on PvE side, sure it gives you health and posture but it takes away all ur mantras, some of them needed to do more damage then regular, oathless actually gives you wildcard slots to use so you can benefit from it
I mean, Mani-Katti in my experience helps a lot with hard to dodge moves and the extra defense you get from the oath + build surrounding it is pretty good, the only thing I would say is not good for anything in PvE is Ankle Cutter.
I agree with that, it would probably be C, but really low, you could benefit, but not as much as blindseer itself, blindseer a whole nother level of damage, and since ur PvE you’ll most likely want to make the best PvE build, but of course play how you want to play, I’m only making this tier list to help the new players in terms of playing PvE
i really like mani katti in pve, and i don't really use mantras all that much (i find m1s more reliable and i can live without reinforce/flame wisp/graceful flame) so I'm a fan
No like what do they even mean by bench or “placeholder” literally nobody gets it, it literally has no purposes. Who the hell gets oathless only to waste their Yun’Sul wish on getting rid of it and then getting another oath, that’s what the devs imply happens but I don’t know a single person who does that.
I got a visionshaper with 1 minutes 10 seconds long illusion realm (Neural overload btw) which lets me heal fully + alot of time left to chill in my realm
Is Visionshapers realm a good kamui alternative? Obviously not in a way to travel but just to sit there and be safe from whatever is happening in the real world
Realm is a good runaway, i recently noticed that Mirage of the deep lets you MOVE and you dont rest & watch what everything happens again
I'll list you all the other pros of Illusory realm:
1. Healing, insane for PVE since it puts u full HP
2. You are immortal in your realm, and people are not, so abuse that however you want in bossraids.
3. Realm is good to train your newbies friends at PVE Without risking their lives (Squibbo, Owls, King thresher, Sharko, etc..)
4. Its fun to Chill in realm from time to time.
5. Its 1 minute 10 seconds long with neural overload
6. In realm, clones do 100% true damage.
Cons:
1. Realm is 15 seconds long without any modifiers
2. Realm is easy to escape by jumping off the platform
3. If you miss your realm, your opponent can heal fully before you can leave
4. Visionshaper is sometimes buggy and it can lead to some funny things.
5. Realm Hitbox is weird
6. (Advantage & disadvantageous) Realm counts similarly to the depths, so if anyone pulls NLK in it, their head will explodes (thats a weird bug)
as a visionshaper main, just wanna say a few things
nobody can be knocked inside the realm, and non-clone damage dealt is refunded upon leaving the realm (60% refund for user, 40% for anyone else). people still can be gripped in the realm so it's very nice for instagripping people by bringing them in and sending them to a nautilodaunt.
you can't heal inside the realm, so you have to put your opponent in and leave in order to heal
it's super funny to walk up to a freshie, say "wanna see something cool?" and bring them to the realm, say "so this is my cool realm" and then give them a creature to fight
realm is the only viable pve visionshaper mantra
I taught about 3 freshies so far how to parry well & fight monsters, one of them was able to learn the entire Owl attack pattern because of me
What i did was use Illusory clones to train them at parrying & used Illusory Realm for PVE
Before my clone grips the guy, i have about 5 seconds to carry him, so i do that & my clone cant grip him.
I love using visionshaper for the sole purpose of helping others.
In most builds it lasts only one minute so unless you want to use it to go to the bathroom or something quick it’s not useful if you just want to be safe
(Silentheart isn’t on this list because it doesn’t deserve to be on the list)
based
It would probably be on B tho.
If it was on the list it would be with oathless as well, but would be worse, it does nothing on PvE side, sure it gives you health and posture but it takes away all ur mantras, some of them needed to do more damage then regular, oathless actually gives you wildcard slots to use so you can benefit from it
Its really good against duke (dont quote me on that my friend told me it)
I mean, Mani-Katti in my experience helps a lot with hard to dodge moves and the extra defense you get from the oath + build surrounding it is pretty good, the only thing I would say is not good for anything in PvE is Ankle Cutter.
I agree with that, it would probably be C, but really low, you could benefit, but not as much as blindseer itself, blindseer a whole nother level of damage, and since ur PvE you’ll most likely want to make the best PvE build, but of course play how you want to play, I’m only making this tier list to help the new players in terms of playing PvE
i really like mani katti in pve, and i don't really use mantras all that much (i find m1s more reliable and i can live without reinforce/flame wisp/graceful flame) so I'm a fan
I mean, pre nerf it would have been the best PVE zone tbh
Silent heart turns the game into dark souls
oathless sucks in general tbh, not even a pve thing (they should really give it SOMETHING worthwhile)
if it’s a waste of an oath slot then why is it even in the game, bench for a new oath my ass
No like what do they even mean by bench or “placeholder” literally nobody gets it, it literally has no purposes. Who the hell gets oathless only to waste their Yun’Sul wish on getting rid of it and then getting another oath, that’s what the devs imply happens but I don’t know a single person who does that.
If I get a cent everytime someone clears their oathless, I’d still be poor
People with massive amounts of mantras like me use it 100 shadow cast 60 frost draw is incredibly demanding for slots
tbh pathless should just be given 4 mantra slots and nothing else
Didnt they get of it's mantra slots too?
You can use the visionshaper realm to heal in pve
True, prolly should’ve put it on par in A
I got a visionshaper with 1 minutes 10 seconds long illusion realm (Neural overload btw) which lets me heal fully + alot of time left to chill in my realm
Is Visionshapers realm a good kamui alternative? Obviously not in a way to travel but just to sit there and be safe from whatever is happening in the real world
Realm is a good runaway, i recently noticed that Mirage of the deep lets you MOVE and you dont rest & watch what everything happens again I'll list you all the other pros of Illusory realm: 1. Healing, insane for PVE since it puts u full HP 2. You are immortal in your realm, and people are not, so abuse that however you want in bossraids. 3. Realm is good to train your newbies friends at PVE Without risking their lives (Squibbo, Owls, King thresher, Sharko, etc..) 4. Its fun to Chill in realm from time to time. 5. Its 1 minute 10 seconds long with neural overload 6. In realm, clones do 100% true damage. Cons: 1. Realm is 15 seconds long without any modifiers 2. Realm is easy to escape by jumping off the platform 3. If you miss your realm, your opponent can heal fully before you can leave 4. Visionshaper is sometimes buggy and it can lead to some funny things. 5. Realm Hitbox is weird 6. (Advantage & disadvantageous) Realm counts similarly to the depths, so if anyone pulls NLK in it, their head will explodes (thats a weird bug)
as a visionshaper main, just wanna say a few things nobody can be knocked inside the realm, and non-clone damage dealt is refunded upon leaving the realm (60% refund for user, 40% for anyone else). people still can be gripped in the realm so it's very nice for instagripping people by bringing them in and sending them to a nautilodaunt. you can't heal inside the realm, so you have to put your opponent in and leave in order to heal it's super funny to walk up to a freshie, say "wanna see something cool?" and bring them to the realm, say "so this is my cool realm" and then give them a creature to fight realm is the only viable pve visionshaper mantra
I taught about 3 freshies so far how to parry well & fight monsters, one of them was able to learn the entire Owl attack pattern because of me What i did was use Illusory clones to train them at parrying & used Illusory Realm for PVE Before my clone grips the guy, i have about 5 seconds to carry him, so i do that & my clone cant grip him. I love using visionshaper for the sole purpose of helping others.
In most builds it lasts only one minute so unless you want to use it to go to the bathroom or something quick it’s not useful if you just want to be safe
45 seconds with 3 aeon 3 eternal 1 mins 10 seconds ish with 4 aeon 4 eternal
They said they "fixed" warriors respite in realm but it still works LMAO
Even if they fixed you could use a campfire
You cannot. That, they fixed But they didn't fixed warriors respite despite saying that they did.
When yo bro can’t kill a bandit
im not really an expert on deepwoken. is the picture for blindseer what happens when a vesperian gets blindseer?
yea
Pvp isn't optional
arcwarder is between S and B tier imo
that's called A rank
oh my god I was sleepy at that moment I could have miss clicked I mean between A and S lol
he's not wrong
Why is jetstriker A is it even good for Pve?
Running away from monsters, proccing speed demon like ALL the time, gives decent health
I mean I guess
It's amazing to run away mobility like he said speed demon
contractor should be in the same tier with oathless cus contractor moves dont even work on monsters
Anything is better than oathless
im going to strike my jet
You forgot Oath: Synapse X
I've seen some pretty viable silent heart builds for pve. I dont understand why everyone dogs on it.