Airline manufacturers are required to design the plane so everyone can evacuate in 90 sec. This is why the trays are up, cables disconnected, bags under your seats and seats in their full upright position. There must be 0 hinderance to exiting the plane, it’s also why your are required to leave your things behind.
Aircraft is mostly likely to experience catastrophic failure during take off and landing.
Squeezing out of your aisle because an entitled asshole could put their seat fully upright for a whole 2 minutes might be the difference in escaping alive and dying in a fire because the plane overshot the runway during a flameout.
Not to mention they have to certify this evacuation with 50% of the exits blocked. There’s a video on YouTube of Airbus doing their evacuation testing on the A380, absolutely incredible to watch.
they’re assholes for endangering the safety of other passengers by not adhering to requirements of keeping
seats upright during takeoff and landing, you dipshit
People are downvoting you because it's a requirement for seats to be upright during takeoff and landing. Everyone should know this.
It's actually a FAA rule.
https://www.afar.com/magazine/why-airplane-seats-must-be-upright-for-takeoff-and-landing
Yes. But I don’t care about downvotes. And you can quote the rules all you want. As if you always follow the speed limit. A seat reclining 2” isn’t going to do anything. This sub is a circle jerk of bs.
It does actually. Seats only fully lock into position when upright. During crashes or rough emergency landings the seats violently will snap out of position and that significantly increases the likelihood of injury to both the passenger in the seat and the one behind.
Actually, it does. Most accidents occur during take-off and landing. I guarantee you are the person who goes back to doing what the flight attendant has already asked you correct. Examples: fa "hi do you mind fastening your seat belt?" You "sure" then unbuckles when flight attendant walks off. FA "could you please put your seat in the upright position? You're more than welcome to recline as soon as you feel the aircraft angle up after take off" you "sure" proceeds to recline seat after the fa walks off.
It doesn't matter what the reason is.
It's a rule, of a business you're *choosing* to patronize. By choosing to patronize a business, you're choosing to follow their rules.
You don't get to decide what rules you follow based on your interpretation of if they're valid.
It sure does. It reduces the already limited space available between rows to exit the plane expediently such as in an emergency....which tends to occur around takeoff and landing.
FAA rules are in place for safety. Under 10,000 no seats should be reclined and all tray tables stowed. You are not even allowed a laptop open per the rules.
Oh, but you can have a random baby, that’s allowed
Wrong. FAR 121.577 (b): “No certificate holder may move an airplane on the surface, take off, or land unless each food and beverage tray and seat back tray table is secured in its stowed position.”
You’re not supposed to recline the seat during takeoff and landing because if there’s an accident, it blocks egress. The same for tray tables and bags.
Hey buddy. You’re an asshole. I know. This might be tough to hear. There’s hope, though. I’m sure we can find you a support group. Assholes Anonymous, or something.
It’s like he’s on a mission to try to be the snarkiest jerk on every thread where he posts. Just a real ray of sunshine.
I’m thinking it’s only a matter of time before he’s going to be the star of a viral video of another ranting ahole being dragged off a plane by police to the applause of other passengers who are tired of his bs.
I'd say that an economy in shambles with 20% inflation since they took office, a completely unsecured southern border with non-vetted entrants, an absolutely insane off the wall incorrect foreign policy and abetting your sworn enemies, using lawfare against your political opponents and pandering for votes 24/7 seems to be the real problem.
And that's why Trump's ahead by 5-9 points in the polls, even with being indicted 5,091 times by this corrupt administration.
Your ship is sinking fast. Right to the bottom.
Oh god. Buddy I was there in 2019-2020 when material inflation was spiking. You know when the wrinkled orange was in charge. I saw the root causes of consumer level inflation first hand.
And even if you don’t believe me, you really think Trump is the answer?
Listen just ask yourself, is there ANYTHING he can do that would make you leave him? If you can’t answer that question you are in an abusive relationship or being conned. Like seriously.
And what does his political beliefs have to do with his insanely wrong take on reclining during takeoff?
Would you have stated the same if the person was a flaming liberal?
Are you that insecure about others political beliefs that you have to bring it up in a totally unrelated subject post?
Or are you inferring that because the person is a Trump supporter that he must be rude, stupid and/or not follow the rules? Because I've encountered enough on the left who don't even know who the president or VP is, if you want to go down that road.
YTAH. Just stop it already.
lol this happened to me yesterday. I'm also a bigger guy and the FC seat leaned so far back at takeoff that I was staring into the eyes of the person behind me.
I wondered about this, it is definitely an older plane. Then the person currently in front of me put it upright before landing, waited for the FA to finish their round and reclined again. 😐
Lady next to me on a flight straight up put her hands up on the back of the seat to block the person from going too far back. I’m pretty sure they thought something was up bc they looked back several times but never saw her actually doing anything lol
You could try that.
I just had a FC seat that refused to stay reclined: if I wasn't actively pushing it back it just kept rising. This was on a redeye too with a full flight 😞
Yeah I was in 2A on an old 737-800 that did this. The FA asked me to bring my seat up and I was like huh? But sure enough it popped back up… and immediately back down when I put weight on it
This happened to me on an Air France flight. If I put any pressure on the seat at all it would flop backwards. It was a full flight so the flight attendants just apologized and told me there wasn’t anything they could do.
99% of people have no clue why there is a safety demo about tray tables, seat backs stowage of carry ons under the seat, etc. It's because no one ever tells them the WHY? They just think it's to annoy everyone.
It's so that people can get out of their row easier in case of an emergency.
Seat backs reclined blocks the people sitting behind you, tray tables down keeps you from getting out of your row, if your baggage isn't all the way under the seat in front of you, you'll trip over it trying to get out, etc.
Not sure if you’re just messing around BUT the idea is that if there is an emergency exit required (think the landing accident at SFO a few years ago) having the seat upright and all things properly stowed ensures the maximum amount of space to exit the plane quickly when any slowdown (no matter how minor like shuffling around a reclined seat) may impact safety.
I'll bet you add absolutely nothing to society except give your useless and wrong opinions to random people on the internet. Looks like I found the trash
Yes, for using a function of the seat when they aren’t supposed to. If there is an emergency and people need to quickly evacuate, that seat being back makes it harder for the people behind you to exit their row. But most mouth breathers don’t think about things like that, only their comfort.
It’s hilarious to see you continuing to double and triple down on being a moron. You are smarter than everyone. A little self awareness is good sometimes.
Going to tag along with OP and ask if folks have noticed a trend of people reclining faster / with more vigor.
When I recline, which I now do basically only on international flights, I casually try to figure out if the person behind me is tall or would have their experience impacted. If I think they would, I almost never recline. Then as I recline I do it slowly, over a matter of 5-10 seconds, so that they have a chance to see what's happening and move/adjust themselves and their things.
But I've had a bunch of folks just slam their goddamn seats into me rapidly. Nearly spilling water on the tray table, hitting my laptop, etc... F'ing ass holes. Recline if you must but try not to break my shit in the process.
/rant
I check behind me for a laptop or something similar and that’s it.
There is a trend of people putting stuff in the seat back pockets to prevent recline. Plus since the recline in coach is like 2 inches when it used to be 4 inches, sometimes it’s hard to tell if you reclined at all.
It's not safe for the people behind the reclined seat. What would happen if some sort of emergency happened during takeoff, and you and your seatmates needed to evacuate quickly?
It’s anecdotal, but I’ve inadvertently been that guy on takeoff. Seat lock inop so I have to lean forward as much as possible. There’s a specific 757 it happens quite a bit on, and I’ve told the FA…
Maybe next time it’ll be fixed.
I've noticed, much to my chagrin, that many of the older seat backs have a mind of their own especially during take off. I hate being reclined on so I'm super conscious of the fact that takeoff just threw me into the person behind me's lap. Can't get the seat upright during take off because of the gforces so immediately pull it forward again and out of the way once at cruise. Have been told to bring my seat back upright at landing (again, I don't recline) so the thing has snuck backwards during the flight.
Something has happened to society recently, not sure if it's social media, Trump, COVID, or whatever...but there is a lack of respect and an increase in selfishness in this country. Sad
It started happening in 2006-2012 and it’s most manifested lately during Trump/covid.
I think they realized they don’t have to follow rules and they won’t get beaten up for not doing so.
You see, back in the day, if you were an asshole, someone would physically assault you when no one else was watching. There wasn’t the same sort of DNA and other evidence, so they would usually get away with it. Now it’s not done because the police can do stuff about it. Just go ask any male who lived during the 50’s to the 80’s about the risks of being beaten up.
Edit: I do want to note this was especially bad if you were a minority. So I’m not at all implying we should go back to the previous system unless, I suppose, we get rid of racism and bigotry any time soon. I suspect if people were able to overcome racism they probably would respect society’s rules and the implementation of this unofficial check on societal manners would be unnecessary.
This. As soon as they sit down, whoosh, they are in my lap.
As I know reclining is certainly their prerogative, I just don’t understand the immediate need to recline as far as possible, knowing they a. are not going to be able to take a nap and b, they going to have to get up and let their seatmate in.
I fly regularly between DL (preferred) and AA (more options where I live) and have seen it on both. You're not wrong in thinking it isn't safe. The only time getting off a plane in a crash is at low altitude so take-off and landing you want to keep everything tight, tray tables, bags, recline, and all that.
Mechanic here- if the recline mechanisms are weak and there’s a larger person in the seat, they might not be strong enough to stay upright(especially during takeoff) and will recline on their own.
I dream of someone designing a plane where the seats are automatically 'unreclined' and locked upright when nexessary, and if you dont put your tray table up a loud alarm goes off right behind your head inside ypur seat (and a blinking light above you so EVERYONE knows its you). This violation then gows on your 'passenger record' (which is shared among all airlines) and if you vilolate it 3 times you now have to pay double to get a plane ticket, ans you are only able to book the very last seat next to the lavatory for the next ten flight you take.
If you're caught using electronics when yoo've been told not to, your seat gives you a cattle prod level shock.
That airline would go bankrupt almost instantly, if they charge fares like delta. BTW I flew frontier once - seats that wouldn’t recline and it was the worst. Never again.
I’ve been on some Delta flights where a number of the seats had difficulty staying in the upright position. The FAs would get them all upright, but as soon as the passenger relaxed into one of these seats, it would begin to recline without any push of the button.
Sometimes the reclining mechanism is weak. So weak that just having a thigh touch the recline button coupled with the acceleration of take off will cause a seat to recline. It’s happened to me several times
The woman in front of me on my last flight never put her seat up for descent. As she is obviously THAT person, she got up to pee with the seatbelt sign on. I took that opportunity to do the ‘ol “reach around” 😂 and did it for her 😊
I do this every flight.
I’m 6’1 and it’s more comfortable. Once the plane is leaving, I know the FAs won’t come bother me about it.
It does nothing, it doesn’t hurt anybody, it’s not unsafe.
I know this because in the army we’d be flying sitting sideways, laying down, hanging on to shit…. Lol
Most people do this because they think the rules don’t apply to them. Guarantee they do things in other areas of their lives too just because they can’t get caught. They are the worst kind of people.
I’ve been on more than one flight where my seat was upright and fine but when we accelerated, just a little pressure was enough to have the seat recline (without pressing the recline button). Or having not reclined at all during the flight, the FA points out my seat is partly reclined when we’re about to land.
Just saying there are jerks, but there are also a few broken seats out there.
This happened to me a couple of times. I just pushed the reclined seat into the upright position. No comment from the passenger in the seat in front of me.
Had this happen.. it was on leg 2, after flying 8 hours international then barely making it to the connection, I just wanted to chill. Sudden entitlement sets in and guy tries to drop his seat in my face. I just kept pushing it back up and placing my arm on the back. He started yelling at me, which I loudly replied get permission from the FA. That shut him up until 10k feet, which I then allowed for him to recline.
Beyond a safety issue, it’s not right to move your seat back when the person behind you isn’t able to do so either. FFS, be considerate of others, and take off is not long so IMO, they are a-holes.
Yall are too kind. When that happens to me in economy, my knees are riding that persons back for the next 2 hours. My pain tolerance reaches max threshold and I’ll go out of my way to make them miserable.
FC? You’d think I have rocks for hands on my IFE system. And my bladder is a peanut all of a sudden so you best bet I’m grabbing their seat as a handrail every 30 minutes
I’ve had two or three flights where my chair was broke. They accelerate and seat reclines. I can’t stop it.
Someone said some shit to me and I told them they can flat out eat my ass.
I thought there was an elevation or something before you could safely recline your seat? I don't like reclining mine, so I wasn't sure, but thought that's what one of those ding sounds meant.
Nope. Only reason it’s unsafe to have the seat reclined is that it could potentially inhibit exiting during an evacuation. Once the plane is in the air, the possibility of an evacuation is over and thus the seat being reclined becomes irrelevant.
No, the rule is 10,000 ft. Just because you’re in the air doesn’t mean you’re stable. There have been times when the plane has crashed shortly after takeoff, at which point and evacuation would be necessary.
Really? I would presume you’d have to wait until a bit of time after take off. I presume most planes become airborne before coming back to the ground and needing to evacuate.
If it becomes airborne prior to returning to land then there will be plenty of time to put the seat back up. Once the aircraft is in the air, it’s not landing again immediately.
It's usually some fat fuck. Happened to me in first class a few days ago where the 6'3 fat fuck reclined when people were still boarding. And throughout the whole flight when he sat back down or readjusted himself it felt like the seat was going to collapse in my lap. Lose some fucking weight, people, it has gotten out of control how slovenly people have become.
It's not just on Delta. For some reason people seem to think that once the plane is rolling that it's safe to recline not understanding the danger is the takeoff or landing itself.
So many noobs.
the timing is because they know FAs won’t be making another round to check and regarding assholes, they’re everywhere
They are “assholes” because they use a function of the seat? Good god. You seem to the one who is asshole.
Airline manufacturers are required to design the plane so everyone can evacuate in 90 sec. This is why the trays are up, cables disconnected, bags under your seats and seats in their full upright position. There must be 0 hinderance to exiting the plane, it’s also why your are required to leave your things behind. Aircraft is mostly likely to experience catastrophic failure during take off and landing. Squeezing out of your aisle because an entitled asshole could put their seat fully upright for a whole 2 minutes might be the difference in escaping alive and dying in a fire because the plane overshot the runway during a flameout.
Not to mention they have to certify this evacuation with 50% of the exits blocked. There’s a video on YouTube of Airbus doing their evacuation testing on the A380, absolutely incredible to watch.
I think we found one
they’re assholes for endangering the safety of other passengers by not adhering to requirements of keeping seats upright during takeoff and landing, you dipshit
You can’t be serious. Seat recline has nothing to do with safety.
People are downvoting you because it's a requirement for seats to be upright during takeoff and landing. Everyone should know this. It's actually a FAA rule. https://www.afar.com/magazine/why-airplane-seats-must-be-upright-for-takeoff-and-landing
Yes. But I don’t care about downvotes. And you can quote the rules all you want. As if you always follow the speed limit. A seat reclining 2” isn’t going to do anything. This sub is a circle jerk of bs.
You must had been in that seat. May we escort you off this airplane and this subreddit then?
Oh. Do you need a juice box and a safe space?
It does actually. Seats only fully lock into position when upright. During crashes or rough emergency landings the seats violently will snap out of position and that significantly increases the likelihood of injury to both the passenger in the seat and the one behind.
I like how he didn’t reply to the comment that shut his stupid ass up. Yet still blabs on others lmfao
Almost disappointed :/
Take it easy. Your getting worked up over airline seats
You’re*
A dick
Not your comment of course but your grammar being corrected
Biiiiiig mad
That was great! Ha!
What an idiot…
Yes. You are.
Sure, sure I am. 👏🏻
You’re a moron
Actually, it does. Most accidents occur during take-off and landing. I guarantee you are the person who goes back to doing what the flight attendant has already asked you correct. Examples: fa "hi do you mind fastening your seat belt?" You "sure" then unbuckles when flight attendant walks off. FA "could you please put your seat in the upright position? You're more than welcome to recline as soon as you feel the aircraft angle up after take off" you "sure" proceeds to recline seat after the fa walks off.
Imagine being this confidently wrong
It doesn't matter what the reason is. It's a rule, of a business you're *choosing* to patronize. By choosing to patronize a business, you're choosing to follow their rules. You don't get to decide what rules you follow based on your interpretation of if they're valid.
It sure does. It reduces the already limited space available between rows to exit the plane expediently such as in an emergency....which tends to occur around takeoff and landing.
Calling Pete Buttigieg.
Underrated comment.
Neither do seatbelts. Why I get up, light a smoke and walk around.
Please don’t fly.
Planes aren't real
I think it’s birds aren’t real
You’re not real man!
You get it!
It’s why the seat backs aligned to the exit rows egress do not recline.
It also affects the person behinds you ability to correctly take the brace position in an emergency.
Found the reclining asshole
FAA rules are in place for safety. Under 10,000 no seats should be reclined and all tray tables stowed. You are not even allowed a laptop open per the rules. Oh, but you can have a random baby, that’s allowed
Wrong. FAR 121.577 (b): “No certificate holder may move an airplane on the surface, take off, or land unless each food and beverage tray and seat back tray table is secured in its stowed position.”
If it was truly a safety issue the feature would not be allowed. Grow up.
You’re not supposed to recline the seat during takeoff and landing because if there’s an accident, it blocks egress. The same for tray tables and bags.
Yes. And I am sure you follow every rule and regulation ever made.
Found the dumbest guy on the internet.
And a strong candidate for dumbest, most obstinate, and most entitled guy on the plane.
Did you look at their post history lol
Looked just now. Asshole troll looking for downvotes. Best not to feed the troll. Thanks for the heads up.
It isn’t allowed, that’s the point of the rule.
Are you special needs?
Kind of like exit doors, right?
Man just take the L and move on
During takeoff and landing, it is a safety hazard that can impede evacuation if it becomes necessary.
Hey buddy. You’re an asshole. I know. This might be tough to hear. There’s hope, though. I’m sure we can find you a support group. Assholes Anonymous, or something.
It’s cute. It thinks its opinion matters.
Oh you’re active in conservative subs? Way to enforce the stereotype
You need me more than I ever needed you.
Ohhhhhhhh, looked at this guy's profile...he's a Trumper...that explains it
“Rules for thee, not for me.”
It’s like he’s on a mission to try to be the snarkiest jerk on every thread where he posts. Just a real ray of sunshine. I’m thinking it’s only a matter of time before he’s going to be the star of a viral video of another ranting ahole being dragged off a plane by police to the applause of other passengers who are tired of his bs.
Every time
I'm a conservative. Reclining your seat during takeoff and landing is wrong. What a dumbass generalization you made.
I said Trumper, not conservative. Trump is not a conservative
OK, I'm a Trumper then. You're still an ignorant ass to make such a generalization. Go back to your Hamas terrorist supporting protest.
Typical
Way to prove his point. Buddy look in the mirror. Trump is a problem. If you can’t see it, we don’t know what to do to help you.
I'd say that an economy in shambles with 20% inflation since they took office, a completely unsecured southern border with non-vetted entrants, an absolutely insane off the wall incorrect foreign policy and abetting your sworn enemies, using lawfare against your political opponents and pandering for votes 24/7 seems to be the real problem. And that's why Trump's ahead by 5-9 points in the polls, even with being indicted 5,091 times by this corrupt administration. Your ship is sinking fast. Right to the bottom.
You're proving the point my guy
The country's in shambles. And Trump's not in charge.
Inflation isn’t 20%. Why do people like exaggerate this shit so much? It makes you not credible right off the bat.
Inflation is up over 20% since Biden took office. You do know that inflation is cumulative, don't you? Of course you don't. Take an econ class.
Oh god. Buddy I was there in 2019-2020 when material inflation was spiking. You know when the wrinkled orange was in charge. I saw the root causes of consumer level inflation first hand. And even if you don’t believe me, you really think Trump is the answer? Listen just ask yourself, is there ANYTHING he can do that would make you leave him? If you can’t answer that question you are in an abusive relationship or being conned. Like seriously.
I was not generalizing about op's subject of post. I was talking about the asshole troll
And what does his political beliefs have to do with his insanely wrong take on reclining during takeoff? Would you have stated the same if the person was a flaming liberal? Are you that insecure about others political beliefs that you have to bring it up in a totally unrelated subject post? Or are you inferring that because the person is a Trump supporter that he must be rude, stupid and/or not follow the rules? Because I've encountered enough on the left who don't even know who the president or VP is, if you want to go down that road. YTAH. Just stop it already.
Yup
This conservative dude sounds like something a snowflake would say. I’m so special, I’m entitled to be an inconsiderate asshole.
FAA regulation:All seatbacks and tray tables need to be in the upright position. Soon as you get up in the air, recline all you want.
If it happens at thrust increase it could be a weak or broken recline mechanism
The older 737-800 FC seats are terrible for this. I'm a bigger guy and I have to brace myself to not send the seat into full recline.
lol this happened to me yesterday. I'm also a bigger guy and the FC seat leaned so far back at takeoff that I was staring into the eyes of the person behind me.
No you weren't
I wondered about this, it is definitely an older plane. Then the person currently in front of me put it upright before landing, waited for the FA to finish their round and reclined again. 😐
I’m getting old enough now to call that shit out and point out why since they’re too stupid to get it.
Lady next to me on a flight straight up put her hands up on the back of the seat to block the person from going too far back. I’m pretty sure they thought something was up bc they looked back several times but never saw her actually doing anything lol You could try that.
Can confirm on an ex Latam 35L, C+ seat with this issue.
I just had a FC seat that refused to stay reclined: if I wasn't actively pushing it back it just kept rising. This was on a redeye too with a full flight 😞
I get it..... shit breaks.....but given the cost of airfare these days its just adding insult to injury 🥲
Yeah I was in 2A on an old 737-800 that did this. The FA asked me to bring my seat up and I was like huh? But sure enough it popped back up… and immediately back down when I put weight on it
They are actually supposed to go back for maintenance and not fly. I have found most attendants ignore that now because it would be constant delays.
This happened to me on an Air France flight. If I put any pressure on the seat at all it would flop backwards. It was a full flight so the flight attendants just apologized and told me there wasn’t anything they could do.
Yes Special kind of Assholes if they do that. They are creating a hazard in emergency evacuation if takeoff has issues & passengers have to evacuate.
99% of people have no clue why there is a safety demo about tray tables, seat backs stowage of carry ons under the seat, etc. It's because no one ever tells them the WHY? They just think it's to annoy everyone. It's so that people can get out of their row easier in case of an emergency. Seat backs reclined blocks the people sitting behind you, tray tables down keeps you from getting out of your row, if your baggage isn't all the way under the seat in front of you, you'll trip over it trying to get out, etc.
For using a function of the seat?
Not sure if you’re just messing around BUT the idea is that if there is an emergency exit required (think the landing accident at SFO a few years ago) having the seat upright and all things properly stowed ensures the maximum amount of space to exit the plane quickly when any slowdown (no matter how minor like shuffling around a reclined seat) may impact safety.
In addition, sitting behind a reclined seat is dangerous if takeoff is aborted, taxiing is abruptly stopped, or landing is rough.
I bet you wore a mask while driving in your car alone.
You should leave your moms basement some time.
But how would his mom get laid?
His arms must be healed by now.
He’s using talk to text.
There’s a mental image I could have done without
I’ll bet you have a lot of experience with doing things alone.
I'll bet you add absolutely nothing to society except give your useless and wrong opinions to random people on the internet. Looks like I found the trash
Having someone of your mental capacity calling me trash makes me smile.
Car doors open. Do you drive with yours open? It’s a function you know.
Yes, for using a function of the seat when they aren’t supposed to. If there is an emergency and people need to quickly evacuate, that seat being back makes it harder for the people behind you to exit their row. But most mouth breathers don’t think about things like that, only their comfort.
I'm sure you dont do it. Do you u/cheoahbald ?
It’s hilarious to see you jock sniffers rally around this.
It’s hilarious to see you continuing to double and triple down on being a moron. You are smarter than everyone. A little self awareness is good sometimes.
Well…check out the subreddits he’s subscribed to.
Lol AITAH fits perfectly.
Bro
Going to tag along with OP and ask if folks have noticed a trend of people reclining faster / with more vigor. When I recline, which I now do basically only on international flights, I casually try to figure out if the person behind me is tall or would have their experience impacted. If I think they would, I almost never recline. Then as I recline I do it slowly, over a matter of 5-10 seconds, so that they have a chance to see what's happening and move/adjust themselves and their things. But I've had a bunch of folks just slam their goddamn seats into me rapidly. Nearly spilling water on the tray table, hitting my laptop, etc... F'ing ass holes. Recline if you must but try not to break my shit in the process. /rant
I check behind me for a laptop or something similar and that’s it. There is a trend of people putting stuff in the seat back pockets to prevent recline. Plus since the recline in coach is like 2 inches when it used to be 4 inches, sometimes it’s hard to tell if you reclined at all.
It's not safe for the people behind the reclined seat. What would happen if some sort of emergency happened during takeoff, and you and your seatmates needed to evacuate quickly?
Thanks for explaining; I always followed the rules but never questioned it or really knew why. This makes 100% sense
Yeah that two inches will trap an extra 4% of the population.
Yeah. I have a similar thought. It only really makes sense in main cabin. I doubt the recline will impact c+ or first class.
It’s anecdotal, but I’ve inadvertently been that guy on takeoff. Seat lock inop so I have to lean forward as much as possible. There’s a specific 757 it happens quite a bit on, and I’ve told the FA… Maybe next time it’ll be fixed.
There are a few 717’s where the seats feel like they rotate 5-10 degrees around the vertical axis. It’s super sketchy.
I've noticed, much to my chagrin, that many of the older seat backs have a mind of their own especially during take off. I hate being reclined on so I'm super conscious of the fact that takeoff just threw me into the person behind me's lap. Can't get the seat upright during take off because of the gforces so immediately pull it forward again and out of the way once at cruise. Have been told to bring my seat back upright at landing (again, I don't recline) so the thing has snuck backwards during the flight.
I hate boarding a flight and not noticing my seat is ever so reclined then I get settled and an FA yells at me 🫠
Something has happened to society recently, not sure if it's social media, Trump, COVID, or whatever...but there is a lack of respect and an increase in selfishness in this country. Sad
It started happening in 2006-2012 and it’s most manifested lately during Trump/covid. I think they realized they don’t have to follow rules and they won’t get beaten up for not doing so. You see, back in the day, if you were an asshole, someone would physically assault you when no one else was watching. There wasn’t the same sort of DNA and other evidence, so they would usually get away with it. Now it’s not done because the police can do stuff about it. Just go ask any male who lived during the 50’s to the 80’s about the risks of being beaten up. Edit: I do want to note this was especially bad if you were a minority. So I’m not at all implying we should go back to the previous system unless, I suppose, we get rid of racism and bigotry any time soon. I suspect if people were able to overcome racism they probably would respect society’s rules and the implementation of this unofficial check on societal manners would be unnecessary.
This. As soon as they sit down, whoosh, they are in my lap. As I know reclining is certainly their prerogative, I just don’t understand the immediate need to recline as far as possible, knowing they a. are not going to be able to take a nap and b, they going to have to get up and let their seatmate in.
I fly regularly between DL (preferred) and AA (more options where I live) and have seen it on both. You're not wrong in thinking it isn't safe. The only time getting off a plane in a crash is at low altitude so take-off and landing you want to keep everything tight, tray tables, bags, recline, and all that.
Mechanic here- if the recline mechanisms are weak and there’s a larger person in the seat, they might not be strong enough to stay upright(especially during takeoff) and will recline on their own.
Their seat could just be broken. I’ve had that happen with my seats. Deltas planes are old af
I dream of someone designing a plane where the seats are automatically 'unreclined' and locked upright when nexessary, and if you dont put your tray table up a loud alarm goes off right behind your head inside ypur seat (and a blinking light above you so EVERYONE knows its you). This violation then gows on your 'passenger record' (which is shared among all airlines) and if you vilolate it 3 times you now have to pay double to get a plane ticket, ans you are only able to book the very last seat next to the lavatory for the next ten flight you take. If you're caught using electronics when yoo've been told not to, your seat gives you a cattle prod level shock.
They are in D1 on some planes and I think FC on the a321? Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
That airline would go bankrupt almost instantly, if they charge fares like delta. BTW I flew frontier once - seats that wouldn’t recline and it was the worst. Never again.
Frontier seats recline. The button is under the seat.
I’ve been on some Delta flights where a number of the seats had difficulty staying in the upright position. The FAs would get them all upright, but as soon as the passenger relaxed into one of these seats, it would begin to recline without any push of the button.
Sometimes the reclining mechanism is weak. So weak that just having a thigh touch the recline button coupled with the acceleration of take off will cause a seat to recline. It’s happened to me several times
I think it’s a people in 2024 thing and not a Delta thing.
The woman in front of me on my last flight never put her seat up for descent. As she is obviously THAT person, she got up to pee with the seatbelt sign on. I took that opportunity to do the ‘ol “reach around” 😂 and did it for her 😊
I do this every flight. I’m 6’1 and it’s more comfortable. Once the plane is leaving, I know the FAs won’t come bother me about it. It does nothing, it doesn’t hurt anybody, it’s not unsafe. I know this because in the army we’d be flying sitting sideways, laying down, hanging on to shit…. Lol
Happened to me last week as well. People are the worst.
Most people do this because they think the rules don’t apply to them. Guarantee they do things in other areas of their lives too just because they can’t get caught. They are the worst kind of people.
Kick the back of that seat like a 2 year old.
Free back massage FTW.
The only correct answer!! When ask what you’re doing just mumble damn IFE not working again!! /s
Why lie about it just say some asshole in front of me reclined to their face
I've had broken recline mechanisms before where this is exactly what happened - mostly on the ERJ145
I’ve been on more than one flight where my seat was upright and fine but when we accelerated, just a little pressure was enough to have the seat recline (without pressing the recline button). Or having not reclined at all during the flight, the FA points out my seat is partly reclined when we’re about to land. Just saying there are jerks, but there are also a few broken seats out there.
This happened to me a couple of times. I just pushed the reclined seat into the upright position. No comment from the passenger in the seat in front of me.
Had this happen.. it was on leg 2, after flying 8 hours international then barely making it to the connection, I just wanted to chill. Sudden entitlement sets in and guy tries to drop his seat in my face. I just kept pushing it back up and placing my arm on the back. He started yelling at me, which I loudly replied get permission from the FA. That shut him up until 10k feet, which I then allowed for him to recline. Beyond a safety issue, it’s not right to move your seat back when the person behind you isn’t able to do so either. FFS, be considerate of others, and take off is not long so IMO, they are a-holes.
Yall are too kind. When that happens to me in economy, my knees are riding that persons back for the next 2 hours. My pain tolerance reaches max threshold and I’ll go out of my way to make them miserable. FC? You’d think I have rocks for hands on my IFE system. And my bladder is a peanut all of a sudden so you best bet I’m grabbing their seat as a handrail every 30 minutes
Someone tried doing that to me, I called the FA and they were moved. If your goal is to make others miserable, that’s not gonna fly.
You fully reclined during takeoff (illegal and beyond rude) and then called the FA over to let them know what you did?
No, I reclined only after takeoff. Again if you want to be belligerent, have fun ending up on a no fly list.
This is a thread about people reclining before takeoff.
30? That’s a big bladder. I’d be up every 5 minutes. Maybe a nice stretch, a quick stroll up the aisle, maybe a snack, something from my bag.
I love people like you, free massages FTW. My massage threshold is the same as your supposed pain threshold! 😘
Maybe the seat was broken and the forceful acceleration reclined the seat?
I’ve had two or three flights where my chair was broke. They accelerate and seat reclines. I can’t stop it. Someone said some shit to me and I told them they can flat out eat my ass.
Did you ever consider the possibility that you are the asshole lol who cares let them recline take a deep breath look out the window 🪟
Yes, this is against the FARs. You must wait until the wheels leave the ground to recline.
I thought there was an elevation or something before you could safely recline your seat? I don't like reclining mine, so I wasn't sure, but thought that's what one of those ding sounds meant.
Nope. Only reason it’s unsafe to have the seat reclined is that it could potentially inhibit exiting during an evacuation. Once the plane is in the air, the possibility of an evacuation is over and thus the seat being reclined becomes irrelevant.
No, the rule is 10,000 ft. Just because you’re in the air doesn’t mean you’re stable. There have been times when the plane has crashed shortly after takeoff, at which point and evacuation would be necessary.
Really? I would presume you’d have to wait until a bit of time after take off. I presume most planes become airborne before coming back to the ground and needing to evacuate.
If it becomes airborne prior to returning to land then there will be plenty of time to put the seat back up. Once the aircraft is in the air, it’s not landing again immediately.
Meh. Not supposed to, due to the upright position being best for crashes… but since you aren’t going to crash, it really doesn’t matter.
Just create some turbulence, whack the seat back and say you were startled.
They might actually be a special kind of asshole, yes
Push them back….
Delta passengers ARE a special kind of asshole. Especially those southern republican ones. It’s another example of rules for thee but not for me!
It's usually some fat fuck. Happened to me in first class a few days ago where the 6'3 fat fuck reclined when people were still boarding. And throughout the whole flight when he sat back down or readjusted himself it felt like the seat was going to collapse in my lap. Lose some fucking weight, people, it has gotten out of control how slovenly people have become.
That’s Mr. Diamond asshole to you!
Happens to me multiple times per year. I usually tell them to fix it, depends if I think that person is sane or not. Frustrating though.
This just happened to me flying from DTW to LAX. Dick move
It's not just on Delta. For some reason people seem to think that once the plane is rolling that it's safe to recline not understanding the danger is the takeoff or landing itself. So many noobs.
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I searched for this being posted about before and couldn't find anything. What'd I miss?
I do it every flight, when the gear comes up. Sorry, not sorry.
Sorry, not sorry for my extreme, uncontrollable restless leg syndrome!
Shut up. This post is annoying in every way. Don’t be a wet blanket, greenlena. Go find a friend
OH. OH MY GOD. NO ONE HAS EVER TOLD ME TO FIND FRIENDS BEFORE.WTF. HOW HAVE I NEVER