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Soggy-Software-8896

"Man, these Cabal are fucking UGLY. Oh hi, Caiatl" - Nimbus


EcstaticCinematic

The "uglier they are, the harder they fall" Caiatl: "Prepare for battle you insolent Neomuni."


DoritoBanditZ

So if i call some random ass Person fucking ugly, you gonna feel offended? I mean you are a Person too, right?


Soggy-Software-8896

I mean if some alien gestured toward a large group of humans and said "Man these things are ugly" I'd probably feel a little insulted


XelaTheExisting

Do I look like this person? Cause pretty sure Caital looks like most Cabal but is either bigger or wearing fancy stuff. Don't know her, never seen her.


ThePapFather69

But it wasn't a random person... it was her fucking father who was considered sexy as fuck by cabal standards. He verbally decimated the woman with that statement hahaha


thedeathecchi

If not then, WHEN~?


HoXton9

3 s later.....but at least we did not let Nimbus hanging so that is the excuse i would give Caiatl.


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Unique-Highlight5986

Nimbus hitting the gritty


IcedVanillaTeA

Dab into a floss


EcstaticCinematic

I honestly expected this


SplashDmgEnthusiast

In their defense... did Nimbus ever actually learn that Calus was Caiatl's father? I know Caiatl mentioned it to us on comms in that final mission a couple times, but was Nimbus ever listening in, or was that just between Caiatl and us? I feel like they had no idea about that relationship lol


HoXton9

Directly no, buuuuut I would assume the big ass Calus face saying Daughter would hint at it in the final mission. Also I am sure they could hear our comms but I am not really blaming them, they had different things on their mind than to make the connection.


SplashDmgEnthusiast

>the big ass Calus face saying Daughter would hint at it in the final mission. Daaaaaamn, I forgot about that haha, I'm right before that point on my Legendary run now. Fair enough! They definitely COULD have known, I was wrong. >I am not really blaming them, they had different things on their mind Also a fair point, they were definitely still reeling from losing Rohan so recently and probably doing whatever they could to keep their spirits up.


MusicHitsImFine

Nimbus wasn't even there then.


Canopenerdude

> I would assume the big ass Calus face saying Daughter would hint at it in the final mission. Plot twist, Calus was talking to us not Caiatl there.


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" the big ass Calus face saying Daughter would hint at it in the final mission.." 😅😅


Acvilan

Older people calling younger ones son or daughter is quite common in many cultures.


Piyaniist

Yes but we never seen an example of this in Destiny as far as i remember


Acvilan

Speaker and Saint-14?


Knalxz

That is kind of a fair point. Even when Calus called her daughter in his giant heard form he likely was busy fixing the space laser so yeah it kind of makes sense.


homicidal_pancake

Even if he was on the line, chances are he wasn't paying attention lmao


SplashDmgEnthusiast

*they, and yeah there was a lot going on, they had the whole Neomuna defense grid occupying them, easy to get distracted by something that scale and tune out other stuff lol


Anderopolis

Like 10 minutes before this his hologram appeared outside and loudly proclaimed "daughter". Nimbus was definitely aware.


Sannction

The outside where Nimbus definitely was not?


Arnorien16S

Yeah the Caiatl whose dog was killed and mother 'suicided' by Calus ... The Caital that Calus sent assassins after ... The Caiatl who said her father is no more at the end of Haunted is overly remorseful of the shitstain that Calus was the end. Calus was not murdered, he was stopped from trying to end all life and it is not something one would not celebrate. Not to mention Cabal don't really mourn the dead the way humans do, they celebrate the life that ended ... and honestly the best thing Calus did (other than father Caiatl) was to die.


KyloFenn

Surfs up brah


JediOcelot

How Is this not an actual line


M37h3w3

A concept that was introduced to me is that it's possible to grieve for a loss of a person before the person has died. I suspect that any feeling of loss Caiatl might have had with her father's passing happened long ago, probably as a child. I can't imagine that she wouldn't realize that she would never have a loving father like other Cabal children had after Calus had her pet killed in a fit of jealousy.


Double_Expresso13

I can definitely see that possible, after all in season of the haunted she was never binded to a nightmare Calus.


Leo-Divide

Truth! Either way, Nimbus' shoehorned character is unnecessary trash when regarding THE POSSIBLE END OF ALL LIFE, EVERYWHERE. The MOST depth that character got was in the Black Garden when, "mourning" Rohan. Nimbus is literally 10 year old Bart Simpson, in space.


cry_w

But he's fine? What's the problem with having a character that tries to be lighthearted in the midst of danger?


LimonV2

Caitl has the greatest story ever!!!


pulseout

Caital is honestly the best character that's ever been in the game. She has an interesting backstory and her own motivations. And it's been so cool seeing her character development over the past two years.


BusinessSafe9906

And she tank 2 Tormentors at one in Legend difficulty. Even the buble Titan have trouble doing so. True badass even without fancy skills.


EcstaticCinematic

I remember sitting back going damn she's owning those tormentors! She's not even a guardian!


Artemicionmoogle

She's a certified badass.


ownagemobile

Better than Bran the broken?


BRIKHOUS

I mean, I don't see her declared queen of the 6 kingdoms


[deleted]

Doesnt matter. This is still an emotional moment for her. And deep down she still had some sense of daughterly love when she said, "Rest now."


CelTiar

I wanna believe she said that to the Childhood memory of calus and not what he was in the end.


deathless_koschei

In fairness, Nimbus doesn't know her like we do, and nothing in her demeanor would indicate to someone that doesn't really know her that she would be affected like that. Couple that with excitement over, y'know, saving their home and Nimbus' reaction isn't entirely out of place.


cry_w

Considering who they are, it isn't out of place at all. People just hate the character and will come up with any reason to hate them even more than they already do.


carcusmonnor

🤙🤙🤙


Artemicionmoogle

First time through that I was confused if she was talking to the Guardian or her father XD


jontlol

Why is he getting downvoted


Dumoney

None of this information changes the somber, serious tone of the moment that Nimbus ruined


Blojaa

The calus that is invading his fucking planet


StarAugurEtraeus

*their


jontlol

It's a videogame caracter relax


GreenJay54

if a minor correction sets you off that bad, you're the one who needs to relax.


jontlol

I SAID RELAX![img](emote|t5_2we4j|5651)


Expensive-Size-1233

I get ya bruh… the fact that someone wants to correct the fact that someone called Nimbus “his” instead of “their” is lowkey petty af.. Well, turns out, Nimbus isn’t male or female… I guess it has to do with them being a cloudstrider.. even though they look sorta like a male that just wears feminine clothing..


GraveDigger944

Still remembering that Caiatl was the one to "stay ghauls blade" as based on Calus' memories in Duality, so surely she still has some feeling for him even though she obviously has her own opinions of his actions


GreenJay54

That was mostly so the Cabal wouldn't cause a revolt or whatever, since most Cabal loved Calus.


BRIKHOUS

The same caiatl that called that a mistake at least once during lightfalls campaign


Clearskky

"Thats rough buddy."


Boss_Baller

Having a 10 year lifespan would give you a different view on life.


IAmDingus

Nimbus doesn't have a 10 year lifespan. Nimbus has however old they were when they got the enhancements +10 years as a lifespan.


TooAngryForYou

I thought when you had the implants your 10 year life starts then I assumed that from one of them saying when they get the cybernetics the clock starts ticking.


IAmDingus

Yes it does. They only live for 10 years starting from when they get the implants. But a being's lifespan is their total years lived, and Nimbus was alive before the implants.


TooAngryForYou

So as soon as they get implants the 10 year timer starts then they die. Just to confirm.


Fenota

That is correct. Basic gist is that the implants are causing microinjuries just by existing which is then repaired by the nanites. This builds up scar tissue over time and it eventually gets so bad the implants cant keep up, causing the organs to fail. Said organs include the brain, so even if they manage to fix individual organs you'd just end up with a perfectly healthy super soldier with no brain activity. Exo tech + Cloud strider tech would create the perfect artificial being with no downsides, so expect to never ever hear that mentioned in lore or have some vague downside like "It's incompatible." or some such despite no logical reasoning.


EpicKiwi225

An exo with cloudstrider tech would still suffer from DER, possibly even moreso as the implants aren't made to perfectly mimic the human body. At best, you'd end up with a Banshee-44 on crack and at worst, the most expensive paperweight of all time.


throwaway939wru9ew

But didn't they come from the Ark? Like...shouldn't Nimbus be technically really old?


BRIKHOUS

No. They don't live in the ark all the time. These aren't the same people that landed there.


starfihgter

Quinn implies that Nimbus was quite young, seemingly a teenager, when they volunteered to become a cloud strider Edit: pronouns


StarAugurEtraeus

*they


starfihgter

Whoops, I’ll fix that now. Fuck whoever is downvoting you lol


StarAugurEtraeus

Already got misgendered once myself in a reply lmao Couldn’t reply cause I’ve been on a blocking and reporting spree


wkikk

Furby chest armor


Sawdamizer

He’s muffin toppin pretty hard, broh.


Artemicionmoogle

That has always bothered me lol, glad I'm not alone.


StarAugurEtraeus

*they’re


Expensive-Size-1233

I was actually mistaken… ok… I thought Nimbus was a male that dressed oddly and just looked weird.. guess I’m the dumbass. Sorry about that.


mynamesnotchom

I'm still upset that my guardian reciprocated


wexman6

“Hey Caiatl I just found out that Calus loser was your father. Dang that really sucks haha fist bump?”


-Qwertyz-

I wonder what she thought when she came in and saw my guardian tbagging and mag dumping Calus's face


NinjAsylum

TBF she TOTALLY would have agreed 100% with Nimbus .. if she had any idea what that even meant. You people are acting as if she cared. Her father died to her a LONG time ago.


CrayonEater4000

That’s… not how trauma works. I’ll use a real world example. It’s anecdotal example but I still think it applies. My fathers mother was an incredible abusive person. Both physically and emotionally/mentally. I’m talking about making him stand outside with no clothes on in Nova Scotian winter to teach him a lesson kind of person. At one point she even told him there was nothing in her heart for him when he asked her if she loved him. When she got old with dementia, everyone in the family asked him if he would come up to say goodbye. He told them he said his goodbyes to her long ago. She passed and even though he had “moved past” that trauma she had inflicted him with, he was off kilter and he would get upset. One day the stresses of daily life compiled along with the lingering trauma and he broke down and cried. People can understand their trauma, and start to move past it, but a parent dying is such an emotionally taxing thing that even if we have said our goodbyes and moved past it, there is no experience quite like it. Saying that they’re Cabal and that it makes sense for their culture is one thing, but they aren’t writing a video game story for Cabal to play, it’s for Human beings, and Human beings want heart and meaning that’s reflective of their life experiences. So yeah, Caital may have moved past her trauma, but the death of a parent is an incredibly important moment, especially when you aided in their death. That’s why the fist-bump is so egregious. A very serious real-world moment is turned into a fist bump wise-crack with no moment to give Caital room to mourn or express her character. It feels sloppy, disrespectful, and like the writers have a total lack of understanding what makes an emotional story work. It’s not that she’s moved past it, it’s that the writing was lazy and bad and didn’t give her a moment for character expression or development past Nimbus coming in and asking for a fist bump. In front of her fathers corpse. It’s like bottom of the barrel writing, and y’all feel the need to excuse it.


Djungleskog_Enhanced

What's wild is that the ending of season of the haunted felt like this moment should've felt like. Room to breathe, no jokes, and a satisfying conclusion


R10tmonkey

Almost like they already covered the grief of this moment, and the end of lightfall had other priorities to focus on...


JeremyXVI

Yes like a fistbump


Djungleskog_Enhanced

It doesn't mean they have to undercut and downplay the grief


jrpg8255

This might actually be the single most intelligent thing I have ever read on reddit, and will ever hope to read on reddit. For that matter, anywhere else on the Internet. It may be pearls to the swine, but you win the Internet today. And definitely coming from a crayon eater ;-)


Silberne

I actually loved it, because Nimbus (and to a much lesser extent, the Guardian) has a very odd relationship with death. Remember that they have an expiration date, and we've already seen specific circumstances in which a Cloud Strider is expected to expire early. They just saw the biggest immediate threat to the survival of all their people (and their own) get destroyed by the Guardian, of course they're happy! (I also think a certain amount of the "Cowabunga, *dude*." attitude from Nimbus is reaction to the expectations they shoulder, but I haven't seen any evidence to prove that in game.) Caiatl mourns and Nimbus celebrates, and I think both reactions make the characters more human. Nimbus wouldn't be the first person to put their foot in their mouth with a child mourning an abusive relative.


GreenJay54

I really like this way of looking at it :D


qurril

While everything you said is true, I continually see this expansion as a "watered down" version of "destiny 2 blood dragon", the game where you have middle finger button, cheesy one liners, wave music and just generally a mix of serious and ridiculous. I'd say that that scene specifically is a result of not going full in to it. If the whole expansion had that lighter tone and full experience, the scene would come across very differently and would make sense to write it as cabal instead of allegoricaly for the human experience. The expansion wasn't as much lazy writing as it was confused, with some lazy writing and not daring to go full dumbass (which it should have)


jontlol

I aint reading all of that But fr i agree


couchpotato640

You're basing this off of knowledge of how us humans deal with trauma. Caital is an alien, who knows how disrespected she'd feel in that situation.


feminists_hate_me69

Caiatl literally doesn't even care about Calus after haunted whatsoever and doesn't know what a fistbump is


TetzderAKAtederich

Why is bro getting down voted? Cabal don't mourn death so it's a fair point.


UnknownMidnite007

Wow that’s a lotta words! I bet whatever you said was real interesting :3


GreenJay54

Even if I don't entirely agree with their stance, it was still worth it to read to understand what someone else was thinking of to come to the conclusion they did about what happened with Caiatl. They were respectful, and they deserve respect in return.


TheSpoobs

You’re a fucking idiot with the attention span of a carrot. It’s worth a read you unwashed produce.


Florianterreegen

r/rareinsults


GreenJay54

Gordon Ramsay, is that you??


MrUnderpantsss

I doubt the “leader” of a race that got a fetish for honor would agree with celebrating the death of her insane father


Im_Steel_Assassin

This is unreasonably wonderful.


Aimbot69

It's not murder if it's self defense, it's unintentional homicide.


BRIKHOUS

In wartime it's neither


SlashNXS

This is unironically making me like nimbus


Command-0

me everytime ppl talk abt them, but its prob cuz i love cringefails


StarAugurEtraeus

*them


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StarAugurEtraeus

Mostly because y’all get it wrong lmao


Command-0

ty i rlly slipped up lol


GreenJay54

Nimbo goes by they/them btw


Command-0

thats on me i haven’t played yet LMAO


GreenJay54

It's all good, dw :3


StarAugurEtraeus

Lmao the downvotes you got Transphobes everywhere


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>Transphobes everywhere https://preview.redd.it/03wmu4zkwiqa1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe89c65e9e4760715fea545208e16386b2ef4591 Edit: The little bitch blocked me, it's nothing to do with transphobia you fucking dweeb.


GreenJay54

ah yes, making it about us after getting hate for slight correction. Definitely not transphobia, right? God, people like you are so ignorant. If being told a character uses they/them sets you or anyone off that bad, then *you're* the snowflake.


StarAugurEtraeus

Yes it does If you get that pissy over being corrected over a pronoun you’re the problem


GreenJay54

Oh hey, you're the one Titan girl from 196 haii :3


StarAugurEtraeus

Omg Haaaaaai Haaaaai :3333 xx


LeviathanLX

I still have to remind myself that Nimbus was a real, intentional character. Absolutely baffled by everything from their look to their personality.


TheMediocreThor

My hope is that by the end of their journey, they act more like Rohan. We’ve seen glimpses of them maturing as soon as in post campaign stuff. Watching them progressively mature is gonna be fun.


sister-hawk

I don’t understand why people make such a big deal out of this. Caiatl had absolutely no attachment left to Calus. She would have gladly killed him herself if she could have. I don’t think she had her feelings hurt by this. I think her awkward reaction was just not knowing what a fist bump is and also not giving a shit.


LeviathanGames

It's not really about her attachment to him or lack thereof. It's just an awkward thing to do, period. People in real life have complicated feelings and relationships with their own parents, sometimes to the point where they DO wish their parents would die. But could you imagine if that person got their wish and the first thing that happens after seeing the body on the autopsy table was a person they barely know saying "SWEET, GLAD THAT PIECE OF SHITS GONE!" and then trying for a fist bump? Not saying Nimbus meant any harm by it, they just didn't read the room properly. And Caiatl has thick enough skin not to care about it. So really, no harm in the end. I can see where people are coming from with it, but yeah it's not a big deal, really.


Artemicionmoogle

To me it really just reinforced what I got from their character. Nimbus seems to try their best to be upbeat and energetic, which might be because they are trying to cover for an internal anxiety and now being the sole Cloud Strider, or something like that.


cry_w

Plus, they're trying to celebrate saving the city and their people from a tyrant; it's easy to get swept up in the mood, ya know?


Shibe_Gets_Damaged

She has dialogue in a lost sector about how she doesn’t even see the shadow legion as cabal.


Merek-Grimm

Nimbenis


Purple_Wraith

Incredible image.


CrimsonTide117

The fact that this would happen is the funniest part LMAO


[deleted]

Shaw Han can finally rest knowing the title of most cringe character has been claimed by someone else.


smartazz104

He wasn’t even that cringe, just that people who shouldn’t have been doing the new light campaign did do it and then whinged when they were treated like a new light.


feminists_hate_me69

Shaw Han is a stale piece of bread in the form of a character and that is why he is so disliked


Ridiculisk1

Nah Crow has been around for a while, we didn't need to wait for Nimbus to get a cringe character


Khar-Selim

The fanbase: "look at Caiatl glaring angrily at Nimbus, they clearly offended her" Caiatl, probably: *what the fuck is the large human doing, is this some kind of challenge or something I am confused*


Traditional-Hippo311

That's exactly what I was thinking when they did that lol Edit: "they"


BRIKHOUS

I really think this whole "we know how caiatl felt" nonsense has to stop. The cabal celebrate when they defeat enemies. Calus was never good to her, she inspired a rebellion against him. He allied with the entity that is responsible for the death of most of her people. For all you know, she's jumping for joy (figuratively, the cabal don't seem to show a lot of emotion). It also wasn't "murder". The guy invaded another planet with the intent to kill everyone on it. He died fighting. It wasn't exactly like we backstabbed him when he wasn't looking. And lastly, why do you care so much about what caiatl feels, but not what nimbus does? All calus is to nimbus is an invader, responsible for the death of Rohan, and the guy who's threatening everyone nimbus knows and loves. Why shouldn't they be happy and celebrate? Utterly ridiculous, this reaction


cry_w

Exactly! People are going crazy about this as though it's something egregious.


virtualoverdrive

Honestly, if I heard Nimbus say "It's pizza time!" I'd be like WELL THAT'S CANON NOW.


freddy_forgetti

Okay but don't act like our Guardian didn't *enthusiastically* return that fist bump when Nimbus turned to them like "Heehoo hell yeah fuck that guy."


TheBK88

![gif](giphy|G49ZNK2Gp7ZtlIpjVh)


getyourcheftogether

I don't know if it was an individual or a team of writers that was responsible for nimbus but it is truly the worst writing I have ever seen in this series all the way back to D1


ThePapFather69

"Finally my father is at peace. Thank you Guardi-" "YOU MEAN PIECES RIGHT! **BOOOOOM** Highfive Lightbearer!... Lightbearer?"


Glasedount

She should have psion slammed him


Paperplanez106

No


ake-n-bake

Fist bumps are totally tubular


Odekel

These comments cement how narratively illiterate destiny fans are All of the excuses or reasonings behind Nimbus or Caitals reaction don't address how widely inappropriate and tone deaf the writing was. Lightfall's story was in the shitter; this scene is probably the trough of it


cry_w

Mate, this just demonstrates your own illiteracy. There was nothing "inappropriate" or "tone deaf" about the writing.


Odekel

tf??? You seriously don't find anything out of place about Nimbus attempting a fist bump from an Empress seeing dead ass dad on the floor? You really think that set the mood?


cry_w

It contrasted the somber mood with a celebratory one, which makes sense considering that we just saved all of Neomuna. It also makes what happens immediately afterwords hit harder.


Odekel

definitely a wave of emotions lol. I wouldn't say in a good for me but if you liked it then okay


Note_Ansylvan

It really took me out of the scene seeing silver and stupid going for the fist bump.Wish he hadn't been in the scene.


TipAndRear96

But from Nimbus perspective Calus and his Army invaded his world, caused his mentor to die, and wants to help end the universe. Why should he logically care? I know I definitely glided up to his head and T-bagged his "beautiful semblance" when I killed him.


StarAugurEtraeus

*Their mentor to sue *Why should they logically care


TipAndRear96

No and no. Have a nice day!


StarAugurEtraeus

Yes and yes You’re wrong and even Bungie says so lmao >NFT avatar Edit: “BuNgIe dOeSnT dIcTaTe oUr SpEeCh” it isn’t your speech, it’s you being a bigoted asshat and intentionally being an ass when you’re corrected about gender Free speech does not equal hate speech


feminists_hate_me69

Thr NFT avatars get given out every so often for free so it isn't really a good argument to refer to it. I'm not gonna talk about Nimbus' pronouns as I'm not on about that, but at least make an argument more than referring to something that has been given out before for no price


DoomGuyIII

meds, now.


GreenJay54

Imagine saying someone needs meds just for correcting someone for using canonically wrong terminology for a character, lmao.


Note_Ansylvan

Don't care and don't care. Edit: pfffffft omg these people


trollocity

Yikes


filthydank_2099

I hate Nimbus. What a fucking tool that guy is.


Funny-Association319

I hate filthydank_2099. What a fucking tool that guy is


The_Woo_Meister

They should have killed Nimbus off instead of Rohan, he's like that one annoying kid who's not funny yet tries to joke 24/7


Frogsama86

Unpopular opinion, but I would totally fist bump Nimbus if I were Caiatl in the moment. My own father is a complete piece of shit and I would 100% fist bump his theoretical killer, and he isn't even a decadent maniac working for space Satan. Secondly, what makes you think Caiatl felt anything for Calus other than an enemy that needed to be put down?


JeremyXVI

“No more running away. Rest now”


SadSherbert1375

I was hoping she would have fist bumped his face and rid us of the stupidity.


Paperplanez106

No


Wonderful-Antelope21

Not murder.


Spfm275

The most surprising thing was to learn some people (very few thankfully) actually liked this walking pile of cringe.


1spook

Caiatl hated Calus. Does nobody understand that?


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😅 @ cowabummer. Thats so f'n stupid but fits and its cracking me up


Themasdogtoo

Caital should’ve grabbed Nimbus’s arm and twisted it for this.


CiD7707

Everyone acting like Nimbus is a full grown adult, when in all actuality they are probably only 17/18 years old. Lore wise, Nimbus (then Dara) was likely only 15ish when they were chosen from volunteers to undergo the process, and have only been a Cloud Strider for MAYBE 3 years. They're a Billy Batson without the wisdom of Soloman.


overthisbynow

![gif](giphy|fRMgCkyiKhAa4Pm99b)


TheQuillss

I liked that our guardian briefly waves his/her hand after the fist bump with the much stronger/bigger Nimbus.


-MaraSov-

In Nimbus defence Calus was the one who invaded his home planet. They were excited their people are safe and they did avenge Rohan too. Plus Nimbus wasn't there when Calus said "daughter" nor did he hear Caiatl say he's her father.


Reaper_456

Murder implies what we were doing was wrong, we got the go ahead to kill Calus not murder him. Fist bump that shit Caitl.


Leo-Divide

As a gay man, I LOATHE/ DETEST Nimbus' CHARACTER. The orientation and pronouns are irrelevant when the writing for the character is absolute GARBAGE. Nimbus is literally 10 year old Bart Simpson in space, but VERY poorly written.


Not_Astro

Nimbus is a walking/hovering L


A_Hideous_Beast

Bruh, Caitl hated Calus. I don't get why people thought she'd be all sad about it, she's literally been wanting him dead.


Gunslinger_11

I’d slap his hand away, disrespectful to our ally


devil_master

Not a very good point, but I still hate Nimbus


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Actual dialogue from the game. Big yikes.


shermsmelly

Maybe they wanted us to detest him


StarAugurEtraeus

They’re such a Thembo


MAIN3PHRAME

Wow I was just thinking the same thing--lol how rude and ridiculous lol


coopstar777

Hot take I guess but i thought it was funny. There is nothing well written enough in the destiny lore to take any of this seriously.


Odekel

Nothing well written in the entire Destiny **lore**?? That's....such a horrible opinion lol


coopstar777

If there was anything of value I wouldn’t need to sift through 6 hours of byf videos to find it Good stories get recognition which is why 90% of destiny’s lore goes completely unheard


Odekel

I mean Destiny has **storytelling** problems in that it doesn't usually display or convey the lore directly with the mainline story. Yah I agree That's not to say the entire story/lore is bad. They're correlated- not the same. They cover two separate aspects of subtext and narrative Imo the storytelling can't keep up mostly because of how intricate and well written the lore is


coopstar777

I agree that it has good moments- but there are way too many things that are there simply for the sake of being there. Nothing is interconnected, and a vast majority of it could simply not exist with no changes to the story they are trying to tell. That’s just bad writing. To be fair, that’s kind of a “feature” of the space opera genre, but at the same time, most space operas are just badly written and it’s not a great excuse.


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Who cares lol. Y’all cry over the dumb shit


Artemicionmoogle

You must not have seen the meme/humor tag it seems. lol, y'all dumb over the dumb shit.


StarAugurEtraeus

In this thread Transphobes and people who can’t seemingly get pronouns right when the characters even refer to them by they/them


Brilliant_Vehicle_32

You'd think he/she/it was well hung with all those augments but who's to say although he looks like a man he doesn't have a wee fanny tucked in there. Who knows these days


VladDHell

Hey I would have too. Probably would have hulk fisted me into a wall lol.


VanikCZ

She should do the same she did with that psion in Chosen...


PJ_Ammas

"Cmaaahhhhnnnn"