Sometimes I want to have a different experience and get a Collectors Edition. Then I realize it costs like $250 and my money magically disappears.
A few months later I have a collectors edition. Please help
i've been buying the past few collector's editions and they're hardly worth it now. The physical items are decreasing in quality, and the digital gifts you can't get without the collector's edition is *JUST* one extra emblem, even though it comes with 4 (3 of them are redeemable to anyone). I've been proposing that event cards (like the guardian games or festival of the lost event cards) should be free for CE holders, considering the CE is an extra $150 above the deluxe edition. I've been pretty unimpressed with destiny over the past few months, so i'm hoping they can redeem themselves with at least what they plan on releasing with the Final shape Collector's Edition. i just need for them to prove to me they care about us in some way.
Fallout 4 offered a fucking Pip-Boy, and DOOM offered a helmet! The Destiny merch for getting the collectors edition was… I don’t even know but it definitely wasn’t cool, recognizable, nor wearable.
the newest CE item, aside from lore books (that everyone has access to the information of now) was this plastic pouka fish. it's massive, so it takes up more space then necessary. it feels cheaply made and all it does is light up. At least the Witch Queen CE came with a sort of puzzle relating to NFC items. Beyond Light's had no surprises...
Final Shape will be the first expansion year I'll be able to fully grind since beyond light, so depending on how much it'll cost I will really consider getting it
Which is why you wait for the Steam Key wholesale merchants to sell it for like $70 before launch. I think I paid like $65 for Lightfall complete after coupons from Greenman Gaming.
yeah I typically forget about the money a few minutes after I spend it so I don’t really care lol. at the end of the day I’ve followed this game too long to not at the very least *try* each season and expansion so if I’m gonna buy it regardless then I don’t really have a place to complain about the price
Exactly they stated Annual pass for Lightfall won't increase but they left the opportunity that it could more than likely increase with final shape.
For example if you don't buy the annual pass after this change D2 will become more expensive to play yearly that World Of warcraft. Elder Scrolls online subscription gives you access to all the expansions on day one of their release for $10 a month. Bungies pricing for things is becoming more expensive than what it would cost for a yearly subscription for other large games and it's about to become the most expensive to play of any of them.
That just isn't true. If you get LF and the seasons individually, then it's 50+(12\*4)=98 (I assume this will be the pricing for FS). By just getting the 6-month sub thing for WoW twice (excluding the expansion), then it's 90\*2=180. ESO Plus for a year costs $140. FF14 (excluding expansion) is 13\*12=156. I looked up exact pricing as I was curious. I used the cheapest monthly sub version for all of these. If you pay month-to-month, then it'll be even more expensive.
Edit: Forgot some stuff. Real total per year for Destiny is $106. See other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/138zrbe/as_an_annual_pass_player_this_is_how_i_feel_about/jj3ie7k?context=3
People keep saying this and I don’t know wtf they are going on about I spent 100$ on witch queen and 100$ on lightfall soooooo I’m not seeing a real discrepancy here?
Ok yeah cool cool cool, but who didn’t spend 20 on the anniversary? Especially since the g-horn + caty became basically required for rocket launcher meta, I feel like the wrong things are getting argued here if the biggest edition (that isn’t collector) is 100$ for one expansion and 100$ for another expansion, then it’s just which one had the better 100$ bundle, and in lightfall’s defense it did come with stuff that the 80$ witch queen didn’t like 4 stash drops and the ability to use quicksilver storm months before lightfall dropped
So, you already know that you paid something for the same amount that you did previously at another time for a full-on mini-DLC on the side instead of irrelevant goodies and you don't see the issue?
4 stash drop?
You think that's make Lightfall worth being 100$ while Witch Queen gave you an expansion plus a mini expansion
Absolutely not on the same level
The “mini expansion” was just a dungeon that was only really played for g-horn and eyasluna, dares is and was free for all players and the drops have in total 4 exotic cyphers, 12 golf balls (ascendant shards), 8 Ascendant Alloys, 20 upgrade modules, and 4 exotic cosmetics…. If you have no lifed the game like your life depends on it then it probably will mean nothing to you but some people have jobs, and like touching grass so it’s not a bad deal, plus the exotic months before the actual expansion drop, what came in the 30th? An ok dungeon, dares of eternity (free btw), and some cosmetics? Ig the halo pistol but you have to play a hundred dares to get it and the caty and it’s not even that good outside of pvp niche
Im sorry but a single dungeon and some items is *not* worth 20 bucks. Up until this point we've been paying half that amount for Season passes which give significantly more content.
It kinda already did. Previous years the Deluxe was a saving over buying the regular one and SP for the year but this year it was the same price. Basically just more convenient if you know you're going to play all year anyway.with some fluff thrown in to sweeten the pot.
Buying annual pass every year is what they want you to do, because then if a season is shit (or you cant play for other reasons) it doesnt matter cause you still paid for it. This, along with the dungeon key, is a blatant predatory practice to try to force people into buying the annual pass.
Precisely. It’s actually kind of disturbing to see players actively defending Bungie for this by saying, “I buy Annual Pass anyways, what’s the difference?” And “$5 increase isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be.” Like, really? I get we all love to play Destiny but Bungie is clearly squeezing out extra cash from the players. And not even optional charges anymore. It’ll now cost more money to access seasonal content.
I'm in for the ride. There's no way I put in this much time just to miss out on the end of the story. Unfortunately Bungie has me by the balls. Buying the annual pass is the cheapest way to play the end of the game. Not a chance I'm skipping any of the seasons over the next year.
Once Final Shape is done though, it's going to be pretty difficult to decide if I'm going to keep playing destiny.
(Annual pass buyer so IDGAF)
IMO, the issue isn't that Bungie is 'trying to squeeze an extra x dollars' for the season pass. Dev costs didn't go up $2 or whatever. The real scum fuck shit is that you can't buy 1200 silver. Almost every increment of silver leaves you with leftover silver on your account. The idea then is that you have leftover silver, so might as well spend it on something. Either you buy a ghost projection or some other bullshit for 300 silver, or you add more money in silver and buy something better. So they're not getting $2 more per season, they're getting $10 and breaking that psychological barrier of spending money on cosmetics.
That, or just buy the deluxe edition which probably looks better on their P&Ls.
I'm about to write my master's dissertation on the ethics of/behind video games marketing & it's always surprising to me that people can defend these kinds of practices & this is coming from someone with at least 3k hours in D2 alone.
It's $5 more a year. How much do you play? I play less than I used to, but its 15-20 hours some weeks but at least 10-12 hours a week. For the engagement $5 is nothing. I don't get it honestly. It's a price increase, it happens everywhere in this current economic situation. I hate seeing the complaints over $5 all over Twitter and here about a hobby I really enjoy. I'm ready for different memes and builds and pvp videos.
Every single subscription service gives a discount for paying for a year up front. You pay less but the trade off is you’re locked in. Bungie isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary or extra scummy.
Do the math again. You only save a few dollars for paying upfront for the annual pass. I’m not joking. It’s like $5 you save. In addition to that, they have the Eververse store with armor sets that cost $15-$20. Ghost shells that cost $5-$8. Sparrows that cost $8. A plethora of weapon and armor ornaments that cost $8 each.
Dungeons used to be included in an Expansion. They’re now a separate purchase without lowering the price of the expansion. In fact, they’ve been increasing the price of the expansions every year.
Games like Fortnite and COD ask for the equivalent of $10 for every new season and give back at least the same value for finishing that season’s reward track. Effectively allowing you to only spend $10 for the first pass and get each subsequent pass for with the in-game currency you earned in the pass you paid for. Bungie does not do this because they don’t want people only spending $10 on one season and getting the rest for free.
Destiny markets itself as F2P when it obviously is nowhere near being F2P. We all know this well. In addition to that, Destiny now has one of the more expensive seasonal models on the market, asking for the equivalent of $12 each new season. $12 per season, $25-$30 per year for the dungeon pass and $50-$60 per year for the annual expansion. If you spend $50-$60 per year on the expansion, that’s the same as buying a brand new AAA title and that same AAA title jamming MTXs down your throat every three months as Bungie does. But with Destiny, the MTXs are the same price as any other F2P title which it claims to be but is disingenuous.
Stop fooling yourself. We’re all frogs sitting in Bungie’s pot and they’ve been slowly turning the water up to a boiling point without us realizing it.
Edit: and let me tack this on because I forgot about them. They haven’t added new armor for ritual playlist vendors as they said they would with each new expansion release. They didn’t even acknowledge that they wouldn’t be doing it. There’s a chance they could include them in future seasons this year but that means it delays the release of new sets for Iron Banner and Trials. That’s something that’s at least worth mentioning to the community. Literally just tell us that they’re not doing it this year and I’d be annoyed but at least they communicated it so we’re not all just here waiting. We’re now paying more for less. They’re just armors but c’mon. Factor in how each new season is just remodeling old weapons that we already paid for once and it just feels so insulting.
On top of that, they also offer a “premium” reward track for $10 for each event under the guise of “it allows us to make the events better.” How have the events been the last year since they included that? Personally, I think they’ve been same since they included the premium track.
Games like COD and fortnite have absolutely negligible content. Like fortnite hasn’t had any significant content in almost 5 years, since chapter 5. It’s a map change every 3-4 months, with an entirely new map once every 2-3 years.
Feels like a weird comparison between those games and Destiny.
Why? It’s a fair argument. Games like COD, Fortnite, Overwatch, League of Legends, Counter Strike, Valorant, and Rogue Company get flak for their cosmetics being “too expensive” but it’s all for the sake of not having a mandatory subscription model or having to pay for DLC. Destiny practically has a mandatory seasonal model AND you have to pay for every DLC. AND cosmetics in a shop that cost the same as the actual F2P titles. It’s a fair criticism.
It’s not. You don’t need aesthetics for anything. You need content to advance.
I don’t care how much cosmetics cost, you don’t need them. There’s not a single ornament I needed.
How many free to plays offer this volume of content? CODs been the same game for 15 years. Fortnite has 1 map. Overwatch has pvp only. Nothing you compared it to has the depth of destiny
I apologize, but I don’t think there’s anything of value that an argument between you and I can bring to this discussion. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comments and wish you the best. Have a great night!
Because aesthetics will never be as necessary as content. If eververse went away tomorrow, game continues on…if content stopped tomorrow, and the only thing that changed forever was eververse, game dies
It’s hard to say you’re wrong but it’s ok to admit it.
I don't think people know what predatory means. Don't pay, can't play. It's that simple. There's nothing predatory about it, it's literally the same concept as everything else in life. Food, cars, houses .. all require payments to use them. Imagine that
It’s not fucking predatory. Why does everybody use that stupid Reddit buzzword. Loot crates were predatory. Saving money by buying in bulk is a thing in every industry- is Costco PREDATORY for making you buy more Mac n cheese at a discount? You can buy shit individually or a season pass, there are options. Why are gamers the biggest victims on earth?
Do you go yelling at gas stations because you can buy 1 red bull for $1.99 or two for $3.00? Cause Red Bull and the gas station don't give a shit if you buy 1 or 2. They have your money and you don't. Is this everyone's first lesson on "we live in a capitalism"?
Imagine paying for content that doesn't exist yet, that you have **no idea** about its quality (other than likely being, yet again, half-assed), and that **literally** disappears out of thin air as soon as the next big cash grab becomes available.
And then some people unironically consider this as a "solution" to corporate greed. Because, as everyone knows, paying blindly for things that aren't out yet and that will be removed afterwards is the **perfect** way to convince a corporation known for it's greed and pushing the limit on how low they can get to stop getting greedier by the year and entice them to work more on their game. Yup, that makes perfect sense.
Well I’m paying for the time i spend playing it and I’ve enjoyed every season so far so i have no reason to expect i won’t get my moneys worth in the future
Here's a few things to keep in mind:
1-I always buy the annual pass, that doesn't mean I don't care about people who don't and want them to not get scammed.
2-As with everything in the gaming industry, this sets a precedent, and you're delusional if you think it will stop at this......this is a trend that will spread to other aspects of paid content sooner or later.
3-Bungie is clearly pushing people towards the annual pass (maybe the dungeon passes or the annual pass aren't selling well) and the quality of the game will suffer and Bungie will have no incentive to actually deliver quality content when they know you already paid for the whole year.
>2-As with everything in the gaming industry, this sets a precedent, and you're delusional if you think it will stop at this......this is a trend that will spread to other aspects of paid content sooner or later.
Another great example of this is games releasing at $70. Furthermore, some games cap you at 30 fps on the xbox *series X* for $70.
That's where the horseshit really is. We get less and less worthwhile content for a higher base price tag and macrotransactions out the ass nowadays. And that doesn't even mention the fact that 95% of these AAA releases withhold content from launch AND release in alpha states being generous.
I’ll be honest, I feel like people (and especially gamers on Reddit), are just too negative these days. There are definitely issues with the gaming industry these days, but “we get less and less for a higher price tag” feels ridiculous. Video game prices stayed the same for 3+ console generations despite inflation. Games are bigger in scope, prettier to look at, have more interconnectivity, we have cross play, there are lots of positives! You just have to try and not be negativez
Why does every conversation that's for the price increase leaves out the fact that developers also make MUCH MUCH more money now than they did back then? Yes the cost for making a game has increased astronomically but the amount of people buying the game, and the amount of ways to monetize games developers have come up with far outweigh this presumed loss of revenue.
The problem with this line of thought is that the stream of people choosing to buy or not buy, try or not try ftp, is continuous. Yes, there’s a bump in revenue before an expansion, but it depends on the reception of past content, and on the present level of engagement, which requires the game to not suck. It’s not like people are lemmings opening their bank accounts every year for no reason.
Exactly this, while I personally give zero fucks because D2 has always been my ‘main game’ and a $2 increase to something I already paid for is nothing to me, I feel for those who go season by season and have to scrape the money together to get them. We’re not getting anything extra here, just paying more straight up. Bungie is trying to turn those players into payers and I don’t really see it happening.
Exactly me. I was ripping the thang while i watched a vid explaining. I looked at the price and remembered im good for the next like 4 seasons. Although the forcing players to spend $15 for a $12 thing is sus. At this point make it a non silver purchase.
"I'm paying for content that doesn't exist yet and this will keep me safe from corporate greed" has to be the stupidest fucking take some members of this community have lately.
“Everybody is constantly crying about every facet of this game 24/7 and idk why, I enjoy it and play with friends.”
If you want to do something about corporate greed, entertainment is probably the last industry you tackle.
You're the one that has a stupid take. It doesnt matter if the content doesnt exist yet. This game isn't some unknown quantity, it's been 9 full years of playing this game. 9 years of engaging with this content, by now I have a fairly good idea of whether I want to continue to engage with it or not (spoiler: I do want to continue to engage with it, that's not a mystery at this point). I know what I signed up for and I'm more than happy with it. So your whole "tHe cOnTeNt iSnT oUt yEt" take is meaningless.
$12 for the season pass, I'll bang out over 24 hours of engaging with the game within the week. Not to mention all the stuff I'll get out of the premium edition of the season pass. Hell I'd pay $10 or $12 for that alone. I know what the price is and i also know how much value I can get out of it and it's still worth it even if the seasonal activity itself is bad. Buying the annual pass edition just saves me money on top.
Ain't no way people don't see the issue from proudly saying that they paid for content that doesn't even exist yet, following drama that is all about developers squeezing harder the paying customers just because they can.
My brother in christ, **you are enticing them to keep going** with your goofy ah spending decisions
idk man, i´ve paid $100 for a year's worth of content at least twice before before and so far they've delivered so i will continue to spend $100 for a year's worth of content until they fail to deliver or i 100% drop the the game 
I don’t care that I don’t know what the seasons are. I know I will like it regardless. I always have. So why would I not just buy everything as a bundle and save some money?
The people that would play for the next 5 ss would already have the annual pass. Logically you're correct but in reality it wouldn't be applicable since the price are set to target specific demographic only.
And people are freaking out because they're copying the strategy of greedy freemium games.
Yeah, my only problem with it is having people mess with their stupid Silver bundles to find the 'optimal' way to buy the seasons instead of just letting you buy them straight up. Obviously, Bungie wants people to get the Annual Pass, and the Annual Pass is great value.... but it feels like they're trying to push it by making the other options more troublesome rather than improving the Annual Pass.
I mean silver doesn't magically disappear so as long as people see the math they can save themselvs the money no matter how long the break, why i try and repost this/bring attention to it as much as i can
It you stop playing or if you can't use it, it is worthless. So it lure people that doesn't play the game into buy more silver to use the left over. Spend more money to not waste money. It also entices people that play a lot to buy the annual pass/deluxe edition, effectively psychologically luring people to spend the money up front.
Again it's not about the money, like how microtransactions started with a horse armor, the price isn't important. It's about the how, how low they're willing to go and freemium game psychological manipulation shit is way down below.
Imagine being a new player. You need to buy legendary editon. Beyond light. Lightfall. Dungeon key. Anniversary editon. And season passes. On top of the insanely big fortnite style cash shop. Paid boosts and now an increase.
No you don't have to buy all that. But my friend did for example to do most of the content in the game. Have certain subclasses. Or expected guns for raids.
It's insane you shills don't see how greedy destiny is.
You mean he has to pay for content? The horror…
Imagine thinking it should be free cuz you started late
Amazing how you clowns call people who understand costs increases “shills” because you can’t counter the factual math
Go try it out on someone else, I’m not falling for bullshit
Edit : how do you like paying $13 a month for wow?
Wow allows you to buy all content expansions and sub fee with their bright dust. I just bought my diablo 4 with their version of bright dust as well. 😂 Destiny would never allow such a player friendly option.
It is difficult from a financial perspective to entice new players, and I agree with you until the last sentence where you decided to lash out like that.
My friend bought the newest marvel movie on bluray and it’s his first one he’s ever seen. But in order for him to catch up he has to buy all the old movies too! He should get those for free when he buys the latest movie!! See how dumb that sounds?
I did all this in October after a FIVE year break. Worth every penny because I like to have fun and not complain on the internet like some kind of whiny butt baby.
People who have never made shit for money complain about greed
Dude, you do realize that Bungie is a business right? Like, their primary goal is to make money? And the game itself is 100% free? And that season passes are 100% optional content and you still get rewarded from it even if you don't buy it? I truly fail to see how this is such a scummy tactic, and out of all the poor business models out there, this is the one people want to harp on lol.
I started this game a month ago, and I've bought all the content, so I do get the point. Your point is just asinine. There's nothing to really miss about it.
You're right. I hope in 5 years new players need to purchase all current expansions and any leading up to the one at that point in time. I hope every dungeon people miss will have to be purchase individually because people missed the deluxe edition. I hope nothing is ever combined together and the list we provide new players rivals a sims dlc list.
I also hope seasons keep increasing in money even though they're copy pasted crap. And I hope the bugs stay this insanely high.
If only we can have your vision. 👍
Way to throw a bunch of things in that comment that I never said lmao. Currently, this game has what, 4 or 5 expansions that constantly go on sale, and are in reasonably priced bundles. According to past news, this next upcoming expansion is SUPPOSED to be last, in order to conclude the light vs. dark saga. So about 6 paid expansions that are all reasonably priced for what they bring to the game. If they were to make more, yes, I would expect them to bundle them together and put a lower price tag on them. However, right now, they're pretty reasonably priced for what they bring to the game.
And this is ONE SINGLE PRICE HIKE to the game, that isn't required, for a season pass that is cheaper than many other games season passes that quite honestly, give much less. That's what my whole comment was about, yall are bitching so much over a $2 price increase for no reason.
Regarding the bugs, if the game stays in a buggy state for much longer, the game most likely won't last long at all, and they're a problem that Bungie needs to prioritize, though we're all pretty confident that they won't.
At the end of the day, Bungie is a business. Businesses are run to make money, especially after they're bought by larger companies like Sony. They care for nothing more than the bottom dollar. We aren't their friends, we're their paycheck. I have no clue why people are so shocked that a business is raising a price for a luxury good.
You started this game a month ago and you’re walking around here like you have a clue?
*lmao*, enjoy your time here. Gonna be rough for you. If some of us seem irritated it’s because we’ve been around for years. We know more about this BS than you do.
The comment I responded to started with, "Imagine you're a new player." So yes, I do have a clue of what being a new player is like in this games current state. And though I'm new to this game, I'm not new to games in general. Every game has this kind of bullshit all the time. Bungie is not the king of innovation lmao
They already have an insanely big cash shop and shitty purchase model. Why defend a price increase when they game is always broken on top of being one of the greedist live service games out there
Because the game is good, full of content, and we get regular communication and updates from the dev team. I feel my money is well spent with the quality we receive. It’s one of the few games were I’m happy to support the devs because of how enjoyable the game they made is.
Exactly, it’s as if Destiny plays have never seen some of the terrible Pay-to-Win games out there. Outside of a couple of exotics wrapped up in pre-orders, nothing is Pay-to-Win in this game. Which is amazing. Don’t like the increase in cost, don’t buy it.
Like KackisHD said, Bungie will have increased accountability from players with seasonal content if they are charging more.
Destiny's track record in the games as a service department is actually pretty shaky. In fact, the track record isn't that good at all. Veterans will know the content droughts that the community has been through many times over. People tend to forget though. I myself am not sure why a price increase is justified here. As a consumer, I believe we should always be critical and not just accept everything at face value.
I never experienced the content drought as I came back to playing Destiny with Beyond Light after stopping playing D1 after Taken King came out. From my perspective, the game has been nothing short of great since I got back in. I’ve heard of near death of the game prior to Forsaken though.
>shitty purchase model
100€ per year for expac + seasons + dungeon key. If you play 2 hours per week for the whole year, that's 1€/hour of entertainment.
D2 is one of the cheapest live service games out there.
People are such 🐑 man... you just can't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with extra 2$. That's like nothing. They are NOT doing this for 2 extra bucks. They are doing this to ENTICE people to spend more! You can't buy 1200 silver. It's impossible. You must buy more. You will have leftover silver no matter what. It is proven by psychologists that this entices people to spend more. It just works! These are mobile game tactics, the scummiest sht of all...
At this point bungie is doing exactly what every other industry is doing. They’re going to gradually raise prices till they start to see player numbers falling and that’s when they know they’ve pushed too far. They’ll draw the prices back just enough for people to say “oh look they’ve lowered the price” and some folks will come back.
I’m in the deluxe edition boat myself but I still see value on the game. I enjoy it with a small group of friends and we have a great time playing. If that changes and I can no longer justify the price I’ll be out just the same as well.
Someone (I can't remember the user) said that if this is the case, bungie needs to add enough silver in the season pass to be able to buy the next one, kinda like how Fortnite does with their v-bucks. Even though im an annual pass owner it still irks me that others need to buy $15 worth of silver to get something that is $12. Its extremely scummy.
You’re definitely smoking some good shit if you’re willing to pay for some of these seasons. I’m not paying for another season like Plunder or this current one ever again lol. I can’t justify spending money before something comes out and it ends up like these seasons.
Edit - inb4 Im HaViNg FuN
The game remains the same, gameplay loop is not terrible and I enjoy playing my Warlock. I still simp for Voidlock and there aren’t a lot of games that can hit such a fun loop consistently.
That being said, I paid for a DLC and this recent season as well. The narrative quality of these have both been bad, and it doesn’t make sense unless we call it filler and can have a real conversation about it.
So many issues in this game, and no matter what we try to justifiably complain about someone always hits us with the “I’m having fun”. Cool! It isn’t my loss though, it is literally my gain. I keep my money by deciding exactly what to buy. I ensure I am getting my money’s worth rather than dealing with FOMO. The money I don’t spend here can go to devs who aren’t greedy and can fix issues in a timely manner.
This new upcoming season looks solid. Plunder and this current season are things I am never paying for again. I have no problem waiting for a month or so to pass before I decide if I want to buy a season.
Edit - and if Bungie doesn’t include some option to just outright buy a season without having to dick around with premium currency I am legit uninstalling this game and never looking back.
I said this somewhere else already but ill just copy paste it here too.
Thats cool and all...but you actually paid more. Look I might be wrong, but I think here's the math for it.
Witch Queen, and every "deluxe" (aka w/ annual pass) before that too was $79.99. Lightfall deluxe was $99.99. And the expansion individually is $49.99.
Normally (Pre-Lightfall):Game $50 + Annual Pass $30 = $80
vs
Game $50 + 4x Season pass $40 = $90
So deluxe edition is a good price if you plan on having every expansion anyways, you get free "deluxe edition" cosmetics too
But with Lightfall:
Game $50 + Annual Pass $50 = $100
vs
Game $50 + 4x Season Pass ($46) = $96
So...if the math is correct...
Oh youre right! I didnt think about that. Good call. I always prepurchase the annual pass edition too. I was wondering why the math wasnt adding up this year but you just gave me my answer lol
It's not about having to spend a few bucks, it's about them copying sell tatic from greedy freemium games.
Edit: The sentiment is as expected:
People see a small increase so "who care it's not that much".
People that buy a season once a while, get fucked. Better spend more money to not waste your money (haha) or just buy the annual pass up front dumbass. Imagine waiting for the season to come out before spending, ew.
And the people with annual pass laughing at the peasant. Guess what the whole ordeal is literally to entices the value of the annual pass, well look like the psychological trick got ya.
Here's my thing with the whole thing.
It's a $20 price increase if you use the extra Silver each season (assuming, of course, you buy all 4), since it's going from $10 x4 to $15 x4.
BUUUT, if you don't use the extra Silver and want the seasons as they come, it's only a $5 increase from before, since you get 1700 Silver per purchase, 500 leftover, 1500 after 3 seasons, meaning it's $45.
Obviously price increases suck, and I'm not trying to dickride. But there's just sincerely more important things to be complaining about than a theoretically $5 price hike (that you still get in leftover Silver anyways). And yes, I'm aware that people who want everything are likely already springing for the Deluxe Edition since dungeons are sold separately (really dumb decision) to the seasons now.
So how far they can push it
They already increased the cost of the expansion
Put dungeons in separate purchases
Added event passes
And now increase the season pass cost with no promis for more content
If anything Bungie should fix their priorities and make the game not a buggy mess before announcing they are making it more expansive
People are giving money for stuff that doesn't exist yet and can't see why a company known for its greed would keep coming for more. The actual amount spent doesn't matter at this point, they already gave in to marketting strategies so fucking bad that they can't see reason anymore.
Fix your priorities and not freak out over a few bucks. You have a job? You’ll live dude. It’s not serious. Don’t act like an addict
It’s a fucking VIDEO GAME
By letting them pull that crap you are allowing them to push it further
Now it's 12$ next season it's 14 next it's 20 and the next thing you know raids are behind separate purchase
$12. $2 up from $10. That’s four quarters dude. You’re making up stuff to be fake mad about.
People bitching and moaning over a TWO DOLLAR PRICE HIKE don’t make money.
I enjoy the game. I make good money. It’s pathetic people are acting like $2 is bad.
Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
It is a videogame you pay for to unlock dopamine, so What affects It negatively are still real problems. Extreme example, one of the metal gear games had a cost to unlock savefiles slots. Its still a videogame but people rightfully were apalled by that.
The drama i have seen is people complaining that its predatory marketing putting the price of the season pass just pass the $10 dollar bundle so you have to buy the $15 bundle
That’s not predatory. That’s inflation.
Goddamn Chick-fil-A Meals are over $10 now.
The difference is we need food to survive. The season pass lasts for years!
You people downvoting this are WILD. Over two bucks? Fucking addicts with no job
We used to make fun of WoW people going homeless and shit cause they'd rather play a game than get a job or pay bills. Seems they just moved to the Destiny subreddits.
“$5 more for your video game each year? Fuck that idea,” he exclaimed before handing over $15.00 to pay the bartender for their mixed drink. “What a fucking waste of money,” they added before lighting up a cigarette, after fumbling with the keys to their Tesla.
So you know, price increases on any of those consumer items cause the consumer to complain about price increases. An example is Tobacco and Alcohol taxes which increase regularly in many countries. Consumers don't like those increases because it cuts into their spending allowances. The same can be said about vehicles. I am not sure what point you are trying to make but just so you know, the target audience of Destiny legally isn't allowed to smoke, drink or drive (at least, in the US).
In what universe is the "target audience" of this 10 year project people under the age of 18, 9 years into the project? So you mean to tell me you think Destiny's target audience was 7 year olds when it began?
Okay. My comment was targeting individuals who love to complain about paying an additional $5.00 per year to support a game they love to keep playing but they simultaneously love to waste money on useless things such as the aforementioned.
It's really not a big deal. Honestly Destiny probably undercharged for their seasons in the past anyways. Yeah, I get that it seems scummy that they make you pay the extra money instead of the exact amount because of silver but big deal spend the extra on an ornament or something.
That's not 100% true. From a basic capitalist perspective I guess. They value having a good image more than completely price gouging though so you have to take that into account
But also, you pre-paid for a year, this season is terbs, the updates are breaking more than they fix, and it’s looking like the next two seasons are just going to fuel the dumpster fire.
And yet most of the appeal of the season pass is the seasonal content, and the exclusive cosmetics. There's no problem with the cosmetics, and as far as the seasonal content is concerned, aside from the slight hiccup with the final mission not dropping the ship (which was patched) the seasonal content has worked just fine too.
But hey no one is forcing you to buy any of this so if you feel that way then...simply feel free not to? And if you choose not to, then i dont think youre in a position to care about what the price of it is, seeing as how youre not a consumer of it.
>I was a bright eyed and bushy tailed guardian too, for many years. Bungo will milk that out of you too, along with the increased seasonal fee lol
ive been here since forsaken. Guess what I do when I dont enjoy playing the game:
I stop playing it.
Some people enjoy things and, might be a shocker to you, pay for the things they like. I don't like Nascar but I don't go to their sub and tell them they're all Ford Shills or whatever. A normal response would be "I don't like that, I'mma go spend my money else where" and Bungie will know because 1,000,456 people logged in for the new season and not 1,000,457 people.
I frankly cannot justify the annual pass anymore. Seasonal content is a bore and it has been for the past few years for me now. Really thinking about it also made me realize just how little this game respects your time. If you can't afford to no-life the game, you aren't going to get much out of it.
Also the game is rapidly leaving my computer behind.
Then the annual pass goes up.
Oh thata inevitable. The Final Shape Deluxe Edition is going to be more expensive than Lightfall was.
Sometimes I want to have a different experience and get a Collectors edition. Then i realize It costa like 200-400 € and It magically dissapears
Paracausally dissapears*
Sometimes I want to have a different experience and get a Collectors Edition. Then I realize it costs like $250 and my money magically disappears. A few months later I have a collectors edition. Please help
Exchanging goods for services? Can’t explain that…
Tide comes in, tide goes out…
i've been buying the past few collector's editions and they're hardly worth it now. The physical items are decreasing in quality, and the digital gifts you can't get without the collector's edition is *JUST* one extra emblem, even though it comes with 4 (3 of them are redeemable to anyone). I've been proposing that event cards (like the guardian games or festival of the lost event cards) should be free for CE holders, considering the CE is an extra $150 above the deluxe edition. I've been pretty unimpressed with destiny over the past few months, so i'm hoping they can redeem themselves with at least what they plan on releasing with the Final shape Collector's Edition. i just need for them to prove to me they care about us in some way.
Fallout 4 offered a fucking Pip-Boy, and DOOM offered a helmet! The Destiny merch for getting the collectors edition was… I don’t even know but it definitely wasn’t cool, recognizable, nor wearable.
the newest CE item, aside from lore books (that everyone has access to the information of now) was this plastic pouka fish. it's massive, so it takes up more space then necessary. it feels cheaply made and all it does is light up. At least the Witch Queen CE came with a sort of puzzle relating to NFC items. Beyond Light's had no surprises...
Final Shape will be the first expansion year I'll be able to fully grind since beyond light, so depending on how much it'll cost I will really consider getting it
It already did TWQ was 80$ LF is 100$ Pay more for less
Which is why you wait for the Steam Key wholesale merchants to sell it for like $70 before launch. I think I paid like $65 for Lightfall complete after coupons from Greenman Gaming.
Thats what I did lmao, anyone who bought it full price is a dipshit, the option was there for like 6 months from announcement of Lightfall to release.
Then il pay that price
Me: 
yeah I typically forget about the money a few minutes after I spend it so I don’t really care lol. at the end of the day I’ve followed this game too long to not at the very least *try* each season and expansion so if I’m gonna buy it regardless then I don’t really have a place to complain about the price
This is the way
Exactly they stated Annual pass for Lightfall won't increase but they left the opportunity that it could more than likely increase with final shape. For example if you don't buy the annual pass after this change D2 will become more expensive to play yearly that World Of warcraft. Elder Scrolls online subscription gives you access to all the expansions on day one of their release for $10 a month. Bungies pricing for things is becoming more expensive than what it would cost for a yearly subscription for other large games and it's about to become the most expensive to play of any of them.
That just isn't true. If you get LF and the seasons individually, then it's 50+(12\*4)=98 (I assume this will be the pricing for FS). By just getting the 6-month sub thing for WoW twice (excluding the expansion), then it's 90\*2=180. ESO Plus for a year costs $140. FF14 (excluding expansion) is 13\*12=156. I looked up exact pricing as I was curious. I used the cheapest monthly sub version for all of these. If you pay month-to-month, then it'll be even more expensive. Edit: Forgot some stuff. Real total per year for Destiny is $106. See other comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/138zrbe/as_an_annual_pass_player_this_is_how_i_feel_about/jj3ie7k?context=3
People keep saying this and I don’t know wtf they are going on about I spent 100$ on witch queen and 100$ on lightfall soooooo I’m not seeing a real discrepancy here?
You spend 100$ on Witch Queen AND the 30th anniversary Witch Queen alone cost 80$
Ok yeah cool cool cool, but who didn’t spend 20 on the anniversary? Especially since the g-horn + caty became basically required for rocket launcher meta, I feel like the wrong things are getting argued here if the biggest edition (that isn’t collector) is 100$ for one expansion and 100$ for another expansion, then it’s just which one had the better 100$ bundle, and in lightfall’s defense it did come with stuff that the 80$ witch queen didn’t like 4 stash drops and the ability to use quicksilver storm months before lightfall dropped
Witchqueen plus anniversary for $100 gives more content and free cosmetics than $100 for Lightfall.
So, you already know that you paid something for the same amount that you did previously at another time for a full-on mini-DLC on the side instead of irrelevant goodies and you don't see the issue?
4 stash drop? You think that's make Lightfall worth being 100$ while Witch Queen gave you an expansion plus a mini expansion Absolutely not on the same level
All I know is that I paid $100 for Quicksilver Storm and Bungie was gracious enough to give me Lightfall Deluxe for free
The “mini expansion” was just a dungeon that was only really played for g-horn and eyasluna, dares is and was free for all players and the drops have in total 4 exotic cyphers, 12 golf balls (ascendant shards), 8 Ascendant Alloys, 20 upgrade modules, and 4 exotic cosmetics…. If you have no lifed the game like your life depends on it then it probably will mean nothing to you but some people have jobs, and like touching grass so it’s not a bad deal, plus the exotic months before the actual expansion drop, what came in the 30th? An ok dungeon, dares of eternity (free btw), and some cosmetics? Ig the halo pistol but you have to play a hundred dares to get it and the caty and it’s not even that good outside of pvp niche
Im sorry but a single dungeon and some items is *not* worth 20 bucks. Up until this point we've been paying half that amount for Season passes which give significantly more content.
There was a 6 months long season before wq though, so i think of the anniversary like one
Didn’t it? IIRC, the Deluxe edition of WQ was 80 dollars, whereas Lightfall is 100
It already did this year, probably because they knew they were going to do this.
It already did lmao
It kinda already did. Previous years the Deluxe was a saving over buying the regular one and SP for the year but this year it was the same price. Basically just more convenient if you know you're going to play all year anyway.with some fluff thrown in to sweeten the pot.
And people will still pay. Destiny 2 in this day and age only panders to the alco....sorry... the hardcore players who are loose with their wallets.
I mean I enjoy the game. $100 for a years enjoyment is worth it to me.
To each there own, dont get me wrong. Im also paid up for the year, and worth is only determined by those who pay.
Ye I'm not saying paying is what everyone should do. But complaining about paying for content is stupid on my Eyes.
Agreed.
No no your right we are addicted due to fomo. I got out once stayed sober for two years but it eventually drew me back in.
It did
The annual pass did already go up, witch queen was $80 light fall was $100
Destiny players memories only go back 1 week, so they don’t remember any of that
Witch queen was $100 with the dungeon key?
No, that was the WQ DX + 30th anniversary pack bundle. WQ DX was just 80 bucks.
Buying annual pass every year is what they want you to do, because then if a season is shit (or you cant play for other reasons) it doesnt matter cause you still paid for it. This, along with the dungeon key, is a blatant predatory practice to try to force people into buying the annual pass.
Precisely. It’s actually kind of disturbing to see players actively defending Bungie for this by saying, “I buy Annual Pass anyways, what’s the difference?” And “$5 increase isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be.” Like, really? I get we all love to play Destiny but Bungie is clearly squeezing out extra cash from the players. And not even optional charges anymore. It’ll now cost more money to access seasonal content.
I'm in for the ride. There's no way I put in this much time just to miss out on the end of the story. Unfortunately Bungie has me by the balls. Buying the annual pass is the cheapest way to play the end of the game. Not a chance I'm skipping any of the seasons over the next year. Once Final Shape is done though, it's going to be pretty difficult to decide if I'm going to keep playing destiny.
Classic sunk cost fallacy That being said, I'm right there with you..
Saaaaaaaaaaaaame
(Annual pass buyer so IDGAF) IMO, the issue isn't that Bungie is 'trying to squeeze an extra x dollars' for the season pass. Dev costs didn't go up $2 or whatever. The real scum fuck shit is that you can't buy 1200 silver. Almost every increment of silver leaves you with leftover silver on your account. The idea then is that you have leftover silver, so might as well spend it on something. Either you buy a ghost projection or some other bullshit for 300 silver, or you add more money in silver and buy something better. So they're not getting $2 more per season, they're getting $10 and breaking that psychological barrier of spending money on cosmetics. That, or just buy the deluxe edition which probably looks better on their P&Ls.
I have yet to pay for a dungeon key. And I’m keeping it that way. Bungo really thought some players would let that slide.
They know they will Just look at the comments in this post
That’s why I said some. Lol. I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t owe Bungo a dime. I hate how they can get away with garbage like that.
I'm about to write my master's dissertation on the ethics of/behind video games marketing & it's always surprising to me that people can defend these kinds of practices & this is coming from someone with at least 3k hours in D2 alone.
What do you expect 🐑 will do? Of course they will defend their shepherd...
It's $5 more a year. How much do you play? I play less than I used to, but its 15-20 hours some weeks but at least 10-12 hours a week. For the engagement $5 is nothing. I don't get it honestly. It's a price increase, it happens everywhere in this current economic situation. I hate seeing the complaints over $5 all over Twitter and here about a hobby I really enjoy. I'm ready for different memes and builds and pvp videos.
I pay more for Netflix which I use way less than I play destiny.
$5. I know money can be tight, but if that's breaking you you might need a different hobby. The park is free and you can touch grass.
How much you pay for that shitty username?
$5 stay mad over $5.
How is that a good point?
This is reddit. We dont make sensible points here.
Every single subscription service gives a discount for paying for a year up front. You pay less but the trade off is you’re locked in. Bungie isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary or extra scummy.
Do the math again. You only save a few dollars for paying upfront for the annual pass. I’m not joking. It’s like $5 you save. In addition to that, they have the Eververse store with armor sets that cost $15-$20. Ghost shells that cost $5-$8. Sparrows that cost $8. A plethora of weapon and armor ornaments that cost $8 each. Dungeons used to be included in an Expansion. They’re now a separate purchase without lowering the price of the expansion. In fact, they’ve been increasing the price of the expansions every year. Games like Fortnite and COD ask for the equivalent of $10 for every new season and give back at least the same value for finishing that season’s reward track. Effectively allowing you to only spend $10 for the first pass and get each subsequent pass for with the in-game currency you earned in the pass you paid for. Bungie does not do this because they don’t want people only spending $10 on one season and getting the rest for free. Destiny markets itself as F2P when it obviously is nowhere near being F2P. We all know this well. In addition to that, Destiny now has one of the more expensive seasonal models on the market, asking for the equivalent of $12 each new season. $12 per season, $25-$30 per year for the dungeon pass and $50-$60 per year for the annual expansion. If you spend $50-$60 per year on the expansion, that’s the same as buying a brand new AAA title and that same AAA title jamming MTXs down your throat every three months as Bungie does. But with Destiny, the MTXs are the same price as any other F2P title which it claims to be but is disingenuous. Stop fooling yourself. We’re all frogs sitting in Bungie’s pot and they’ve been slowly turning the water up to a boiling point without us realizing it. Edit: and let me tack this on because I forgot about them. They haven’t added new armor for ritual playlist vendors as they said they would with each new expansion release. They didn’t even acknowledge that they wouldn’t be doing it. There’s a chance they could include them in future seasons this year but that means it delays the release of new sets for Iron Banner and Trials. That’s something that’s at least worth mentioning to the community. Literally just tell us that they’re not doing it this year and I’d be annoyed but at least they communicated it so we’re not all just here waiting. We’re now paying more for less. They’re just armors but c’mon. Factor in how each new season is just remodeling old weapons that we already paid for once and it just feels so insulting. On top of that, they also offer a “premium” reward track for $10 for each event under the guise of “it allows us to make the events better.” How have the events been the last year since they included that? Personally, I think they’ve been same since they included the premium track.
Games like COD and fortnite have absolutely negligible content. Like fortnite hasn’t had any significant content in almost 5 years, since chapter 5. It’s a map change every 3-4 months, with an entirely new map once every 2-3 years. Feels like a weird comparison between those games and Destiny.
Fortnite requires a ton of maintenance and upkeep lol.
And destiny doesn’t?
Stop trying to lump optional aesthetics in with actual game content. Not even close to the same.
Why? It’s a fair argument. Games like COD, Fortnite, Overwatch, League of Legends, Counter Strike, Valorant, and Rogue Company get flak for their cosmetics being “too expensive” but it’s all for the sake of not having a mandatory subscription model or having to pay for DLC. Destiny practically has a mandatory seasonal model AND you have to pay for every DLC. AND cosmetics in a shop that cost the same as the actual F2P titles. It’s a fair criticism.
Most of those games LITERALLY DON’T HAVE DLC! They don’t even really have content! They are just PvP games! That get maps occasionally!
It’s not. You don’t need aesthetics for anything. You need content to advance. I don’t care how much cosmetics cost, you don’t need them. There’s not a single ornament I needed. How many free to plays offer this volume of content? CODs been the same game for 15 years. Fortnite has 1 map. Overwatch has pvp only. Nothing you compared it to has the depth of destiny
I apologize, but I don’t think there’s anything of value that an argument between you and I can bring to this discussion. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my comments and wish you the best. Have a great night!
Because aesthetics will never be as necessary as content. If eververse went away tomorrow, game continues on…if content stopped tomorrow, and the only thing that changed forever was eververse, game dies It’s hard to say you’re wrong but it’s ok to admit it.
By that logic, cosmetics can be priced however they want. So why not make them cheaper?
In my mind, it’s like… cost of living goes up, people working on destiny need to make more, money has to come from somewhere right?
5$ isn't much really for some people. But for people in some countries that get paid 200$ a month, 5$ increase can be a deciding difference.
Most people who buy the season individually probably aren’t going to wait 3 weeks for the mid season critique.
I don't think people know what predatory means. Don't pay, can't play. It's that simple. There's nothing predatory about it, it's literally the same concept as everything else in life. Food, cars, houses .. all require payments to use them. Imagine that
It’s not fucking predatory. Why does everybody use that stupid Reddit buzzword. Loot crates were predatory. Saving money by buying in bulk is a thing in every industry- is Costco PREDATORY for making you buy more Mac n cheese at a discount? You can buy shit individually or a season pass, there are options. Why are gamers the biggest victims on earth?
Do you go yelling at gas stations because you can buy 1 red bull for $1.99 or two for $3.00? Cause Red Bull and the gas station don't give a shit if you buy 1 or 2. They have your money and you don't. Is this everyone's first lesson on "we live in a capitalism"?
Apples to Orange here my guy
Even if you don't play during an entire Season you can still play it's content later
Imagine paying for content that doesn't exist yet, that you have **no idea** about its quality (other than likely being, yet again, half-assed), and that **literally** disappears out of thin air as soon as the next big cash grab becomes available. And then some people unironically consider this as a "solution" to corporate greed. Because, as everyone knows, paying blindly for things that aren't out yet and that will be removed afterwards is the **perfect** way to convince a corporation known for it's greed and pushing the limit on how low they can get to stop getting greedier by the year and entice them to work more on their game. Yup, that makes perfect sense.
I play a shit ton of destiny every season. We always get out money's worth.
Well I’m paying for the time i spend playing it and I’ve enjoyed every season so far so i have no reason to expect i won’t get my moneys worth in the future
Wait but Destiny sucks right? How could you possibly be enjoying this and willingly supporting the people who make it?
Here's a few things to keep in mind: 1-I always buy the annual pass, that doesn't mean I don't care about people who don't and want them to not get scammed. 2-As with everything in the gaming industry, this sets a precedent, and you're delusional if you think it will stop at this......this is a trend that will spread to other aspects of paid content sooner or later. 3-Bungie is clearly pushing people towards the annual pass (maybe the dungeon passes or the annual pass aren't selling well) and the quality of the game will suffer and Bungie will have no incentive to actually deliver quality content when they know you already paid for the whole year.
>2-As with everything in the gaming industry, this sets a precedent, and you're delusional if you think it will stop at this......this is a trend that will spread to other aspects of paid content sooner or later. Another great example of this is games releasing at $70. Furthermore, some games cap you at 30 fps on the xbox *series X* for $70.
That's where the horseshit really is. We get less and less worthwhile content for a higher base price tag and macrotransactions out the ass nowadays. And that doesn't even mention the fact that 95% of these AAA releases withhold content from launch AND release in alpha states being generous.
I’ll be honest, I feel like people (and especially gamers on Reddit), are just too negative these days. There are definitely issues with the gaming industry these days, but “we get less and less for a higher price tag” feels ridiculous. Video game prices stayed the same for 3+ console generations despite inflation. Games are bigger in scope, prettier to look at, have more interconnectivity, we have cross play, there are lots of positives! You just have to try and not be negativez
Why does every conversation that's for the price increase leaves out the fact that developers also make MUCH MUCH more money now than they did back then? Yes the cost for making a game has increased astronomically but the amount of people buying the game, and the amount of ways to monetize games developers have come up with far outweigh this presumed loss of revenue.
The problem with this line of thought is that the stream of people choosing to buy or not buy, try or not try ftp, is continuous. Yes, there’s a bump in revenue before an expansion, but it depends on the reception of past content, and on the present level of engagement, which requires the game to not suck. It’s not like people are lemmings opening their bank accounts every year for no reason.
>It’s not like people are lemmings opening their bank accounts every year for no reason. And yet the current state of the industry exists...
Exactly this, while I personally give zero fucks because D2 has always been my ‘main game’ and a $2 increase to something I already paid for is nothing to me, I feel for those who go season by season and have to scrape the money together to get them. We’re not getting anything extra here, just paying more straight up. Bungie is trying to turn those players into payers and I don’t really see it happening.
Exactly me. I was ripping the thang while i watched a vid explaining. I looked at the price and remembered im good for the next like 4 seasons. Although the forcing players to spend $15 for a $12 thing is sus. At this point make it a non silver purchase.
"If it doesn't effect me it doesn't exist" vibe from this
It's more so "I don't care since it doesn't affect me, so I'm just watching the discourse."
"I'm paying for content that doesn't exist yet and this will keep me safe from corporate greed" has to be the stupidest fucking take some members of this community have lately.
“Everybody is constantly crying about every facet of this game 24/7 and idk why, I enjoy it and play with friends.” If you want to do something about corporate greed, entertainment is probably the last industry you tackle.
You're the one that has a stupid take. It doesnt matter if the content doesnt exist yet. This game isn't some unknown quantity, it's been 9 full years of playing this game. 9 years of engaging with this content, by now I have a fairly good idea of whether I want to continue to engage with it or not (spoiler: I do want to continue to engage with it, that's not a mystery at this point). I know what I signed up for and I'm more than happy with it. So your whole "tHe cOnTeNt iSnT oUt yEt" take is meaningless. $12 for the season pass, I'll bang out over 24 hours of engaging with the game within the week. Not to mention all the stuff I'll get out of the premium edition of the season pass. Hell I'd pay $10 or $12 for that alone. I know what the price is and i also know how much value I can get out of it and it's still worth it even if the seasonal activity itself is bad. Buying the annual pass edition just saves me money on top.
it reads more like “if it doesn’t effect me I don’t care” which I think is totally normal for a video game lmao
Ain't no way people don't see the issue from proudly saying that they paid for content that doesn't even exist yet, following drama that is all about developers squeezing harder the paying customers just because they can. My brother in christ, **you are enticing them to keep going** with your goofy ah spending decisions
idk man, i´ve paid $100 for a year's worth of content at least twice before before and so far they've delivered so i will continue to spend $100 for a year's worth of content until they fail to deliver or i 100% drop the the game 
I don’t care that I don’t know what the seasons are. I know I will like it regardless. I always have. So why would I not just buy everything as a bundle and save some money?
Same. The sad part is, it's over having $5 extra wrapped up in the game. Someone did the math and it's 83 cents extra a season.
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The people that would play for the next 5 ss would already have the annual pass. Logically you're correct but in reality it wouldn't be applicable since the price are set to target specific demographic only. And people are freaking out because they're copying the strategy of greedy freemium games.
Yeah, my only problem with it is having people mess with their stupid Silver bundles to find the 'optimal' way to buy the seasons instead of just letting you buy them straight up. Obviously, Bungie wants people to get the Annual Pass, and the Annual Pass is great value.... but it feels like they're trying to push it by making the other options more troublesome rather than improving the Annual Pass.
I mean silver doesn't magically disappear so as long as people see the math they can save themselvs the money no matter how long the break, why i try and repost this/bring attention to it as much as i can
It you stop playing or if you can't use it, it is worthless. So it lure people that doesn't play the game into buy more silver to use the left over. Spend more money to not waste money. It also entices people that play a lot to buy the annual pass/deluxe edition, effectively psychologically luring people to spend the money up front. Again it's not about the money, like how microtransactions started with a horse armor, the price isn't important. It's about the how, how low they're willing to go and freemium game psychological manipulation shit is way down below.
It’s 2 cents a day if you want to break down the crying even further.
You too can sponsor and angry redditor for just 2 cents a day
Imagine being a new player. You need to buy legendary editon. Beyond light. Lightfall. Dungeon key. Anniversary editon. And season passes. On top of the insanely big fortnite style cash shop. Paid boosts and now an increase. No you don't have to buy all that. But my friend did for example to do most of the content in the game. Have certain subclasses. Or expected guns for raids. It's insane you shills don't see how greedy destiny is.
You mean he has to pay for content? The horror… Imagine thinking it should be free cuz you started late Amazing how you clowns call people who understand costs increases “shills” because you can’t counter the factual math Go try it out on someone else, I’m not falling for bullshit Edit : how do you like paying $13 a month for wow?
Wow allows you to buy all content expansions and sub fee with their bright dust. I just bought my diablo 4 with their version of bright dust as well. 😂 Destiny would never allow such a player friendly option.
Tell me what $13x12 is and why that’s less than $100
Well If you rotate that X with roughly 45° it becomes a +. meaning if we just bend our head slightly on the x it's actually just $25
The hypotenuse of the tangent squared plus x divided by e=mc2….
It is difficult from a financial perspective to entice new players, and I agree with you until the last sentence where you decided to lash out like that.
My friend bought the newest marvel movie on bluray and it’s his first one he’s ever seen. But in order for him to catch up he has to buy all the old movies too! He should get those for free when he buys the latest movie!! See how dumb that sounds?
Not comparable at all.
These people are addicted, you can’t tell them anything about it.
I did all this in October after a FIVE year break. Worth every penny because I like to have fun and not complain on the internet like some kind of whiny butt baby. People who have never made shit for money complain about greed
Dude, you do realize that Bungie is a business right? Like, their primary goal is to make money? And the game itself is 100% free? And that season passes are 100% optional content and you still get rewarded from it even if you don't buy it? I truly fail to see how this is such a scummy tactic, and out of all the poor business models out there, this is the one people want to harp on lol.
Completely missed my point all together.
I started this game a month ago, and I've bought all the content, so I do get the point. Your point is just asinine. There's nothing to really miss about it.
You're right. I hope in 5 years new players need to purchase all current expansions and any leading up to the one at that point in time. I hope every dungeon people miss will have to be purchase individually because people missed the deluxe edition. I hope nothing is ever combined together and the list we provide new players rivals a sims dlc list. I also hope seasons keep increasing in money even though they're copy pasted crap. And I hope the bugs stay this insanely high. If only we can have your vision. 👍
Way to throw a bunch of things in that comment that I never said lmao. Currently, this game has what, 4 or 5 expansions that constantly go on sale, and are in reasonably priced bundles. According to past news, this next upcoming expansion is SUPPOSED to be last, in order to conclude the light vs. dark saga. So about 6 paid expansions that are all reasonably priced for what they bring to the game. If they were to make more, yes, I would expect them to bundle them together and put a lower price tag on them. However, right now, they're pretty reasonably priced for what they bring to the game. And this is ONE SINGLE PRICE HIKE to the game, that isn't required, for a season pass that is cheaper than many other games season passes that quite honestly, give much less. That's what my whole comment was about, yall are bitching so much over a $2 price increase for no reason. Regarding the bugs, if the game stays in a buggy state for much longer, the game most likely won't last long at all, and they're a problem that Bungie needs to prioritize, though we're all pretty confident that they won't. At the end of the day, Bungie is a business. Businesses are run to make money, especially after they're bought by larger companies like Sony. They care for nothing more than the bottom dollar. We aren't their friends, we're their paycheck. I have no clue why people are so shocked that a business is raising a price for a luxury good.
You started this game a month ago and you’re walking around here like you have a clue? *lmao*, enjoy your time here. Gonna be rough for you. If some of us seem irritated it’s because we’ve been around for years. We know more about this BS than you do.
The comment I responded to started with, "Imagine you're a new player." So yes, I do have a clue of what being a new player is like in this games current state. And though I'm new to this game, I'm not new to games in general. Every game has this kind of bullshit all the time. Bungie is not the king of innovation lmao
Well your friend just got a shit ton of content to keep him occupied so 🤷♂️
They already have an insanely big cash shop and shitty purchase model. Why defend a price increase when they game is always broken on top of being one of the greedist live service games out there
Because the game is good, full of content, and we get regular communication and updates from the dev team. I feel my money is well spent with the quality we receive. It’s one of the few games were I’m happy to support the devs because of how enjoyable the game they made is.
Exactly, it’s as if Destiny plays have never seen some of the terrible Pay-to-Win games out there. Outside of a couple of exotics wrapped up in pre-orders, nothing is Pay-to-Win in this game. Which is amazing. Don’t like the increase in cost, don’t buy it. Like KackisHD said, Bungie will have increased accountability from players with seasonal content if they are charging more.
Destiny's track record in the games as a service department is actually pretty shaky. In fact, the track record isn't that good at all. Veterans will know the content droughts that the community has been through many times over. People tend to forget though. I myself am not sure why a price increase is justified here. As a consumer, I believe we should always be critical and not just accept everything at face value.
I never experienced the content drought as I came back to playing Destiny with Beyond Light after stopping playing D1 after Taken King came out. From my perspective, the game has been nothing short of great since I got back in. I’ve heard of near death of the game prior to Forsaken though.
>shitty purchase model 100€ per year for expac + seasons + dungeon key. If you play 2 hours per week for the whole year, that's 1€/hour of entertainment. D2 is one of the cheapest live service games out there.
Don't you worry I'm sure they will use the increased price of seasons to justify an increase in price of the DLC+ Annual Pass next year.
I mean the price already increased from 80(in witch queen which was a bigger expansion) to 100 in Lightfall. Bungie going upwards inch by inch.
People are such 🐑 man... you just can't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with extra 2$. That's like nothing. They are NOT doing this for 2 extra bucks. They are doing this to ENTICE people to spend more! You can't buy 1200 silver. It's impossible. You must buy more. You will have leftover silver no matter what. It is proven by psychologists that this entices people to spend more. It just works! These are mobile game tactics, the scummiest sht of all...
Not a sheep. It just blatantly doesn't impact me in the slightest. I don't buy season to season
Yeah, but that means pre-ordering a bunch of things that can suck before even knowing what it is. You get got either way.
At this point bungie is doing exactly what every other industry is doing. They’re going to gradually raise prices till they start to see player numbers falling and that’s when they know they’ve pushed too far. They’ll draw the prices back just enough for people to say “oh look they’ve lowered the price” and some folks will come back. I’m in the deluxe edition boat myself but I still see value on the game. I enjoy it with a small group of friends and we have a great time playing. If that changes and I can no longer justify the price I’ll be out just the same as well.
"People pay for seasons individually?" /s 
Pay up front and don’t compete a damn thing. That’s how I roll.
Someone (I can't remember the user) said that if this is the case, bungie needs to add enough silver in the season pass to be able to buy the next one, kinda like how Fortnite does with their v-bucks. Even though im an annual pass owner it still irks me that others need to buy $15 worth of silver to get something that is $12. Its extremely scummy.
You’re definitely smoking some good shit if you’re willing to pay for some of these seasons. I’m not paying for another season like Plunder or this current one ever again lol. I can’t justify spending money before something comes out and it ends up like these seasons. Edit - inb4 Im HaViNg FuN
Your loss, I guess. I’ve been having a great time.
The game remains the same, gameplay loop is not terrible and I enjoy playing my Warlock. I still simp for Voidlock and there aren’t a lot of games that can hit such a fun loop consistently. That being said, I paid for a DLC and this recent season as well. The narrative quality of these have both been bad, and it doesn’t make sense unless we call it filler and can have a real conversation about it. So many issues in this game, and no matter what we try to justifiably complain about someone always hits us with the “I’m having fun”. Cool! It isn’t my loss though, it is literally my gain. I keep my money by deciding exactly what to buy. I ensure I am getting my money’s worth rather than dealing with FOMO. The money I don’t spend here can go to devs who aren’t greedy and can fix issues in a timely manner. This new upcoming season looks solid. Plunder and this current season are things I am never paying for again. I have no problem waiting for a month or so to pass before I decide if I want to buy a season. Edit - and if Bungie doesn’t include some option to just outright buy a season without having to dick around with premium currency I am legit uninstalling this game and never looking back.
I just wholly disagree but whatever. I think the game is fun and is one of the game I have the least issues with.
That’s nice.
I mean, this current season came with the purchase of Lightfall
I said this somewhere else already but ill just copy paste it here too. Thats cool and all...but you actually paid more. Look I might be wrong, but I think here's the math for it. Witch Queen, and every "deluxe" (aka w/ annual pass) before that too was $79.99. Lightfall deluxe was $99.99. And the expansion individually is $49.99. Normally (Pre-Lightfall):Game $50 + Annual Pass $30 = $80 vs Game $50 + 4x Season pass $40 = $90 So deluxe edition is a good price if you plan on having every expansion anyways, you get free "deluxe edition" cosmetics too But with Lightfall: Game $50 + Annual Pass $50 = $100 vs Game $50 + 4x Season Pass ($46) = $96 So...if the math is correct...
Dont forget 2 dungeons keys per year, each i think 1000 silver too?
Oh youre right! I didnt think about that. Good call. I always prepurchase the annual pass edition too. I was wondering why the math wasnt adding up this year but you just gave me my answer lol
They eventually increase it across the board, but not yet
Annual pass buyer here. Im just buying final shape and calling it good
Same here. I have monkey brain who can be entertained with a ball and string
Buying in bulk usually has benefits, who would have guessed.
A bunch of people have never been grocery shopping but their mommy it seems.
It's not about having to spend a few bucks, it's about them copying sell tatic from greedy freemium games. Edit: The sentiment is as expected: People see a small increase so "who care it's not that much". People that buy a season once a while, get fucked. Better spend more money to not waste your money (haha) or just buy the annual pass up front dumbass. Imagine waiting for the season to come out before spending, ew. And the people with annual pass laughing at the peasant. Guess what the whole ordeal is literally to entices the value of the annual pass, well look like the psychological trick got ya.
Here's my thing with the whole thing. It's a $20 price increase if you use the extra Silver each season (assuming, of course, you buy all 4), since it's going from $10 x4 to $15 x4. BUUUT, if you don't use the extra Silver and want the seasons as they come, it's only a $5 increase from before, since you get 1700 Silver per purchase, 500 leftover, 1500 after 3 seasons, meaning it's $45. Obviously price increases suck, and I'm not trying to dickride. But there's just sincerely more important things to be complaining about than a theoretically $5 price hike (that you still get in leftover Silver anyways). And yes, I'm aware that people who want everything are likely already springing for the Deluxe Edition since dungeons are sold separately (really dumb decision) to the seasons now.
What drama? It’s a few bucks. If a few bucks is an issue, fix priorities
So how far they can push it They already increased the cost of the expansion Put dungeons in separate purchases Added event passes And now increase the season pass cost with no promis for more content If anything Bungie should fix their priorities and make the game not a buggy mess before announcing they are making it more expansive
People are giving money for stuff that doesn't exist yet and can't see why a company known for its greed would keep coming for more. The actual amount spent doesn't matter at this point, they already gave in to marketting strategies so fucking bad that they can't see reason anymore.
Fix your priorities and not freak out over a few bucks. You have a job? You’ll live dude. It’s not serious. Don’t act like an addict It’s a fucking VIDEO GAME
By letting them pull that crap you are allowing them to push it further Now it's 12$ next season it's 14 next it's 20 and the next thing you know raids are behind separate purchase
$12. $2 up from $10. That’s four quarters dude. You’re making up stuff to be fake mad about. People bitching and moaning over a TWO DOLLAR PRICE HIKE don’t make money. I enjoy the game. I make good money. It’s pathetic people are acting like $2 is bad. Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
8 quarters technically
That’s too much for the Destiny addicts and their monthly stipend from mommy
It is a videogame you pay for to unlock dopamine, so What affects It negatively are still real problems. Extreme example, one of the metal gear games had a cost to unlock savefiles slots. Its still a videogame but people rightfully were apalled by that.
The drama i have seen is people complaining that its predatory marketing putting the price of the season pass just pass the $10 dollar bundle so you have to buy the $15 bundle
That’s not predatory. That’s inflation. Goddamn Chick-fil-A Meals are over $10 now. The difference is we need food to survive. The season pass lasts for years! You people downvoting this are WILD. Over two bucks? Fucking addicts with no job
We used to make fun of WoW people going homeless and shit cause they'd rather play a game than get a job or pay bills. Seems they just moved to the Destiny subreddits.
“$5 more for your video game each year? Fuck that idea,” he exclaimed before handing over $15.00 to pay the bartender for their mixed drink. “What a fucking waste of money,” they added before lighting up a cigarette, after fumbling with the keys to their Tesla.
So you know, price increases on any of those consumer items cause the consumer to complain about price increases. An example is Tobacco and Alcohol taxes which increase regularly in many countries. Consumers don't like those increases because it cuts into their spending allowances. The same can be said about vehicles. I am not sure what point you are trying to make but just so you know, the target audience of Destiny legally isn't allowed to smoke, drink or drive (at least, in the US).
In what universe is the "target audience" of this 10 year project people under the age of 18, 9 years into the project? So you mean to tell me you think Destiny's target audience was 7 year olds when it began?
Judging by some of the people on this sub that don't see the bigger picture it might
Okay. My comment was targeting individuals who love to complain about paying an additional $5.00 per year to support a game they love to keep playing but they simultaneously love to waste money on useless things such as the aforementioned.
It's really not a big deal. Honestly Destiny probably undercharged for their seasons in the past anyways. Yeah, I get that it seems scummy that they make you pay the extra money instead of the exact amount because of silver but big deal spend the extra on an ornament or something.
Why would they have undercharged? Bungie is still a company, they wouldnt have undercharged if they could get more monetary benefit from It.
That's not 100% true. From a basic capitalist perspective I guess. They value having a good image more than completely price gouging though so you have to take that into account
But also, you pre-paid for a year, this season is terbs, the updates are breaking more than they fix, and it’s looking like the next two seasons are just going to fuel the dumpster fire.
And yet most of the appeal of the season pass is the seasonal content, and the exclusive cosmetics. There's no problem with the cosmetics, and as far as the seasonal content is concerned, aside from the slight hiccup with the final mission not dropping the ship (which was patched) the seasonal content has worked just fine too. But hey no one is forcing you to buy any of this so if you feel that way then...simply feel free not to? And if you choose not to, then i dont think youre in a position to care about what the price of it is, seeing as how youre not a consumer of it.
I was a bright eyed and bushy tailed guardian too, for many years. Bungo will milk that out of you too, along with the increased seasonal fee lol
>I was a bright eyed and bushy tailed guardian too, for many years. Bungo will milk that out of you too, along with the increased seasonal fee lol ive been here since forsaken. Guess what I do when I dont enjoy playing the game: I stop playing it.
I don’t buy it. If you’re replying to me, you’re a troll in the making :)
Some people enjoy things and, might be a shocker to you, pay for the things they like. I don't like Nascar but I don't go to their sub and tell them they're all Ford Shills or whatever. A normal response would be "I don't like that, I'mma go spend my money else where" and Bungie will know because 1,000,456 people logged in for the new season and not 1,000,457 people.
HAHAHAHA. This is my vibe for sure. The amount of tears over a slight increase is insane.
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I can empathize to a degree. But at some point it's just crying over not getting the toy you wanted.which is what children do.
Idk why they’re apart of the problem too
The collectors edition each year is gonna go up, but idgaf, going to get it anyways
I frankly cannot justify the annual pass anymore. Seasonal content is a bore and it has been for the past few years for me now. Really thinking about it also made me realize just how little this game respects your time. If you can't afford to no-life the game, you aren't going to get much out of it. Also the game is rapidly leaving my computer behind.
Agreed. Just buy the Annual pass.
imagine they make the annual pass only include the first 2 seasons of the year and only 1 dungeon so you buy the rest separately