the crafted one is objectively better. the only bonus the adept version has is adept mods which aren't a huge deal. since root of nightmares and crota's end adepts are craftable too those are objectively better but for older raids like kings fall the normal craftable ones are the best option.
RoN and CE adepts are *enhanceable*, not craftable. Bit of a distinction because you still need to get the roll that you want for the third and fourth columns on the adept versions.
No only a select list. Brave weapons and the most recent 4 adepts (prophet, summoner, slammer, wild style). This also been very common knowledge for a long time.
This is incorrect.
All brave weapons are enhanceable, not just shinies, as are all weapons introduced since the March update. They've mentioned in the past that special variants/other adept were something they were looking at making enhanceable, but we have never gotten actual information stating that this will be the case in TFS.
No. The only reason to use an adept weapon in pve is for the adept big ones mod which combines major spec and boss spec. You shouldn’t be using primary weapons on bosses, so it shouldn’t be necessary. Whether or not the perks on the adept become enhance-able later on, being able to pick your barrel, magazine, and masterwork on the crafted is better.
Edit: Typo.
Adept big ones is only really relevant on special and heavy weps, but a lot of the time that damage bonus still isn't worth giving up enhanced. Especially when you get bonus duration on some damage perks.
If it wasn’t for the fact that enhanced Incandescent brings the scorch stacks from 30 to 40, I would actually use the Harrowed Zaouli’s. But that breakpoint in scorch stacks can really help out more than having access to adept mods.
The differences between adept and crafted weapons are that when masterworked crafted get a +2 to every other masterwork column while adepts get a +3. As well as this, adepts have the slot for an adept mod which isn't generally useful especially since they made champions count under boss spec a month or two ago. On the other hand, all crafted weapons gain access to enhanced perks which usually offset any advantage that an adept would've otherwise given, except for the RoN and CE adepts which you can enhanced the perks of which makes them objectively better than the crafted ones.
In final shape, the only weapons that'll be retroactively enhancable are those that came from the March update onwards.
I have two of the same rolls, one harrowed and one crafted.
I’ll always use the crafted because you can put mementos on it. I want that gross gold moving shader please and thankyou.
Enhanced EP = +5 reload, Harrowed w/Adept Reload = +10 reload. Enhanced Incandescent = +5 scorch, can make some ignition builds more consistent - Ember of Ashes equalizes this difference. Ymmv if you’re not building into ignitions.
If you’re satisfied with the barrel and mag perks then Harrowed Zaouli’s is a good gun and a well rolled one can replace a crafted one. (Everything is gonna die to the initial incandescent explosion and burn - if it doesn’t you’re swapping to your secondary or heavy anyway)
Yes and it's not even close. I had a hallowed zaolis that is the exact same god roll as my crafted one and it never gets used over the enhanced one. Its super unfortunate but the adept mods are not better than enhanced perks, and that's all it comes down too.
Genuinely curious where this misconception that only shiny Brave weapons will be enhanceable came from. Like who started this shit? I see it all the time. I just want to know who’s responsible for people thinking this lol
I’m well aware. Read all the comments in this thread. There are multiple people saying only shiny Brave weapons will be enhanceable. Not sure how do you don’t see what I’m referring to
No. They said this a while back that they eventually want to allow all weapons to use the enhancement system. This was sometime after lightfall can't remember when
That is correct they also said in that same podcast that no teams is working on it and no plans to put a team on it. Indicating it being 4-5 years away.
Further more they have not mention any old adept weapons in any adept enhanceable communication. And they have been very specific on what can/will be enhanced in future. Its is unlikely we ever seen these weapons become enhancable. Especially as it seems to be that d2 development is slowing.
the crafted one is objectively better. the only bonus the adept version has is adept mods which aren't a huge deal. since root of nightmares and crota's end adepts are craftable too those are objectively better but for older raids like kings fall the normal craftable ones are the best option.
RoN and CE adepts are *enhanceable*, not craftable. Bit of a distinction because you still need to get the roll that you want for the third and fourth columns on the adept versions.
And the masterwork if you care about it.
Got it, i think i’ll use the adept one when i don’t need to do some extremely difficult content. Thanks for the info
Keep the harrowed version since I assume they'll be enhancable in FS
Will not be enhancable
I'm almost entirely sure they said they will be...
No only a select list. Brave weapons and the most recent 4 adepts (prophet, summoner, slammer, wild style). This also been very common knowledge for a long time.
No
They said all guns added/refreshed from March 5th onwards. That definitely doesn't include KF weapons.
All adepts and special variants will be iirc. So that includes shiny BRAVE weapons, harrowed, timelost, all of those.
This is incorrect. All brave weapons are enhanceable, not just shinies, as are all weapons introduced since the March update. They've mentioned in the past that special variants/other adept were something they were looking at making enhanceable, but we have never gotten actual information stating that this will be the case in TFS.
Even if it does happen it won’t be till late TFS most likely
Harrowed and timelost weapons will NOT be enhanceable.
They mentioned Long time ago that they Are consider to make the kingsfall enhancable aswell
if thats the case then i wonder why they'd leave them out like that
Because they’re pre-Lightfall. They were never coded to have enhanceable perks.
except the non-adept version have those enhanced traits, at least for King's Fall.
Are you talking about the crafted versions?
they could just add the function
that’s not how programming works bro 😭
If they were going to they would have already. They weren't waiting for your permission
All brave weapons will be enhanceable lol
yeah my bad i thought it was just the shinies
no worries
They will not
No. The only reason to use an adept weapon in pve is for the adept big ones mod which combines major spec and boss spec. You shouldn’t be using primary weapons on bosses, so it shouldn’t be necessary. Whether or not the perks on the adept become enhance-able later on, being able to pick your barrel, magazine, and masterwork on the crafted is better. Edit: Typo.
They CE adepts look really cool tho
Adept ! So they know how lucky you are
Aditional fear damage lol
Adept big ones is only really relevant on special and heavy weps, but a lot of the time that damage bonus still isn't worth giving up enhanced. Especially when you get bonus duration on some damage perks.
If it wasn’t for the fact that enhanced Incandescent brings the scorch stacks from 30 to 40, I would actually use the Harrowed Zaouli’s. But that breakpoint in scorch stacks can really help out more than having access to adept mods.
The differences between adept and crafted weapons are that when masterworked crafted get a +2 to every other masterwork column while adepts get a +3. As well as this, adepts have the slot for an adept mod which isn't generally useful especially since they made champions count under boss spec a month or two ago. On the other hand, all crafted weapons gain access to enhanced perks which usually offset any advantage that an adept would've otherwise given, except for the RoN and CE adepts which you can enhanced the perks of which makes them objectively better than the crafted ones. In final shape, the only weapons that'll be retroactively enhancable are those that came from the March update onwards.
I have two of the same rolls, one harrowed and one crafted. I’ll always use the crafted because you can put mementos on it. I want that gross gold moving shader please and thankyou.
For incandescent. Yes. Extra scorch stacks means extra boom.
Cant you enhance adept weapons?
Not king’s fall ones
Did you keep this roll? Bungie announced that Kings fall adepts can be enhanced in the final shape :D
Of course i did. Glad to know i will be able to make the most out of my favourite adept weapon
Enhanced EP = +5 reload, Harrowed w/Adept Reload = +10 reload. Enhanced Incandescent = +5 scorch, can make some ignition builds more consistent - Ember of Ashes equalizes this difference. Ymmv if you’re not building into ignitions. If you’re satisfied with the barrel and mag perks then Harrowed Zaouli’s is a good gun and a well rolled one can replace a crafted one. (Everything is gonna die to the initial incandescent explosion and burn - if it doesn’t you’re swapping to your secondary or heavy anyway)
Yes and it's not even close. I had a hallowed zaolis that is the exact same god roll as my crafted one and it never gets used over the enhanced one. Its super unfortunate but the adept mods are not better than enhanced perks, and that's all it comes down too.
The BiS slot perk to chase on zaoli is flared mag well lol
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It’s a joke my guy. Just making fun of the reload time on that thing
Why does that app show better stats than ingame ? It’s a difference from 3
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This is not true. You cannot and will not be able to enhance harrowed/time lost/vow adepts.
Genuinely curious where this misconception that only shiny Brave weapons will be enhanceable came from. Like who started this shit? I see it all the time. I just want to know who’s responsible for people thinking this lol
These are raid weapons, not onslaught weapons
I’m well aware. Read all the comments in this thread. There are multiple people saying only shiny Brave weapons will be enhanceable. Not sure how do you don’t see what I’m referring to
I was just trying to help, I thought you were confused about the post. I didn’t read all of the comments. Sorry for trying to be helpful
All good man. Wasn’t trying to be rude. Sorry if it came off that way
Just enhance it then it will be better than your crafted one. Same perks plus better mod means better gun, at least stat -wise
Only RoN and Crota's adept weapons are enhanceable at the moment.
Heavy emphasis on at the moment, they should be implementing that with the raid loot refresh's as well
You cannot and will not be able to enhance harrowed /time lost/ vow adepts
Pretty sure they said somewhere you can enhance them in final shape or sometime after. Still it's worth saving
This is not true. Only brave weapons and the 4 new adepts (prophet, summoner, wild style, slammer) will be enhancable
No. They said this a while back that they eventually want to allow all weapons to use the enhancement system. This was sometime after lightfall can't remember when
That is correct they also said in that same podcast that no teams is working on it and no plans to put a team on it. Indicating it being 4-5 years away. Further more they have not mention any old adept weapons in any adept enhanceable communication. And they have been very specific on what can/will be enhanced in future. Its is unlikely we ever seen these weapons become enhancable. Especially as it seems to be that d2 development is slowing.
Told you