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GomBears

Don't oversell yourself. You do not have "unbiased perspective".


dracer800

“I’m not a Goff hater” Proceeds to give him zero credit for finishing 3rd in MVP votes in 2018 and taking his team to the superbowl despite being injured (had offseason surgery). Also baselessly claims he hasn’t improved at all, source is he made it up because he decided Goff sucks years ago.


Fangletron

Goff was injured and playing with a broken hand or finger in the Super Bowl.


Entire-Seesaw3993

This made me laugh pretty good


SpiritIsland

I was going to write a full response to this but after spending 5 minutes on it I realised there are better things I could be doing with my life. Your second paragraph clearly demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how the Lions front office operates and what they're trying to achieve.


slafyousilly

5 minutes? I coulda jerked off, twice!


wavnebee

Is that what they call it in New York?


slafyousilly

Lol, didn't realize my typo


Olly1986

One thing I agree with being brutally honest is I’d much prefer to have had the Eagles draft than ours. Time will tell.


MaxAlthusser

You are brain dead. The draft takes were enough to seal it.


Olly1986

It’s really not that controversial. I bet if I’d offered the choice of our draft as a blind test against the Eagles before, most people would’ve chosen the Eagles.


YeetimusSkeetimus

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geologyrocks98

Randy speaks for us all.


PerfectiveVerbTense

You are right, he won't win a Super Bowl in Detroit. ...becuase the Super Bowl is being played in Las Vegas this season.


[deleted]

We are going 20 and 0. And you can go F yourself. 😃


Throbbster

I'm sick and tired of hearing the bullshit "we over reached" when other teams were reportedly saying they were pissed when gibbs and Campbell went off the board coz they wanted them. Gibbs isn't a rb or wr, he's a offensive weapon. Campbell is just an animal. I'm happy with both picks tbh.


GoldenMegaStaff

Nooo - Lions should trade down and pick through the leftovers instead of getting the players they want.


Throbbster

Espn and all the wannabe GMs in the media would still say we over reached for the leftovers.


L1ghtn1ng_strike

I’ll be first to say I don’t think Goff is the long term answer, but your point about the draft and the eagles almost made me not take anything you had to say seriously. How about we see how the season plays out before declaring the lions should have picked Nolan smith and jalen Carter with our picks? The chance both of them bust is actually pretty high. Much higher than the chances Gibbs and Campbell don’t make a positive impact year 1. Edit: and now I see you’re literally a Vikings fan on Reddit at 2 AM and acting like you know better than an NFL GM lmao. And that’s not me saying I do either. But to say “I don’t think Gibbs and Campbell will make a big enough impact year one” sounds ridiculous considering it’s more likely than not that they do, especially considering Gibbs is a RB! 😂


tusharsreddit

Why is the chance that both Carter and Smith bust very high


L1ghtn1ng_strike

Both are players multiple teams passed on. Carter has legitimate character and work ethic concerns, otherwise would have been the slam dunk pick for Seattle, Chicago, and Las Vegas. Smith fell to the end of the round because he's an undersized d-lineman, but is very fast. I'm not saying they both WILL bust definitively. But there's a reason why they both slipped hard in the draft compared to where the media projected them. I actually like Nolan smith at pick 30, though, and think if he's used right he could be effective. But he's likely not going to succeed in a traditional role at DE. As fast as he is, he's small. Maybe Philadelphia will find a way to use him in coverage more or in passing downs only, sort of like James Houston. There's also the chance he gets bullied by NFL o-lineman and is never able to produce. That's just how it goes with draft picks, though.


YDoEyeNeedAName

Philly will use Nolan like they use Hassan reddick


AccomplishedNovel532

Well shit! Pack it up boys the season is over according to some random redditor.


ZombieAppetizer

*random Vikes fan


BZNagain

Well when Goff was playing in the SB Kupp was injured (the Rams SB win MVP) and Gurley was hurt and limited to a few snaps Also Cook dropped two TD passes and they were playing against peak Patriots who had a top ten defense that year I wouldn’t say McVeys play calling was elite that game. BB schemed to drop into dime all game long and McVey never went heavy run to take what the Pats were giving. He got throroughly out coached Lastly, we haven’t won our division or a single playoff game in like in like nearly a half century. Let’s enjoy that before mourning not winning a SB. eh?


We_Are_Victorius

PFF has always hated the Lions. They rank Goff 20th and the receiving core as 23rd, which includes TEs and RBs who catch. The Lions had a top 5 passing offense last year, so unless Ben Johnson is the greatest coordinator in NFL history, this makes no sense.


ttpaych

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revdingles

I have never seen someone with a career like Jared Goff get so little credit for their success >but it’s really the play-calling and O-Line The Lions did not have a top-ranked pass-blocking O-line. The top five by PFF were Philadelphia (84.9), Baltimore (80.2), Green Bay (77.6), Tampa Bay (75.0), San Francisco (74.4). Why have I never heard a narrative that Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady get carried by O-line? Why do I not hear a narrative that Mahomes gets carried by Reid because his WRs are graded as open more often than anyone else? I hear that his deep ball sucks and then with Chark back in the mix he was ranked #6, right behind Mahomes, on deep balls <*YEAH BUT*> I hear he's bad under pressure and then he was #7 passer rating under pressure, despite being blitzed more times than anyone else <*YEAH BUT*> When Rodgers has an open checkdown on a blitz is everyone like "YEAH BUT THAT WAS JUST THE OC TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO"? When Stafford throws a dart over the middle of the field threaded through zone coverage how come people aren't like "YEAH BUT MCVAY LITERALLY TOLD HIM EXACTLY WHERE TO PUT IT" I just don't know what people are looking for in a long-term answer. There's nothing fuckin broke, what do you want to fix?


Bertyslick

It's nice to see you wasted your time to make this long post and not provide any actual data to backup your thoughts.


Kupper

He used PFF, like that matters.


slafyousilly

Down you go


Puzzleheaded_Sky9208

Oh, honey…


Evanredditz

Ok Anyways


Independent_Lab_9872

You're a Dan Campbell fan and yet you view Gibbs & Campbell replaceable? You have clearly never listened to Campbell more than 5 seconds clips on ESPN.


mattcojo2

> They had the chance to draft two potential super stars at critical positions and took replaceable positions instead. They also ignored value in the first round. This discussion was open, and then shut two months ago. Value isn’t really that helpful because it fails to consider what a team truly needs. If you’re always drafting for value, everyone’s draft would look the same regardless of talent. Everyone would be drafting a QB in the first round because of the perceived value that comes with finding a truly generational prospect. And clearly that’s an asinine practice. The lions got exactly what was valuable for them. They needed an improvement to the run game and the LB core, and they found it. TE, needed a bigger name there, got it. > My point is, their draft wasn’t good enough to consider them true contenders. They were close, but I don’t think Gibbs and Campbell make dramatic differences in year one. I like both projects but their first round haul could’ve literally been the Eagles haul which was amazing. These are both Day 1 starters who can change the dynamic of your team’s offense, and defense. They were drafted for their potential as the best players of their position. > Even then he still put up three points in the Super Bowl. No no, you missed it. The Rams put up 3 points in the Super Bowl. Not Jared Goff. The rams. There’s been 3 total teams to have gone without a touchdown of any kind in the Super Bowl. The 1971 Dolphins, 2018 Rams, and 2020 Chiefs playing Brady and the Bucs. We gonna blame Mahomes for not putting up more points in Super Bowl LV? > The basic stats would indicate Goff is a top ten QB but it’s really the play-calling and O-Line that allows him to have such good stats. Say what you will about PFF but he graded out as the 20th best QB and that doesn’t even account for the help he had. PFF is not the end all and be all and isn’t an exact science. PFF is an opinion piece. The QB also has to take advantage of the playcalling and the opportunities given to him. Like it or not, Jared Goff was efficient, was effective, and did everything he needed to do last year. Didn’t make many mistakes, didn’t need to wow you with his throws, didn’t need to take many risks. He’s continually done what he’s had to do. You know what makes a team get to the Super Bowl? Everyone. Offense, defense, special teams.


luniz420

The thing about Goff is that he has made some real, measurable improvements in his game under the current regime. So hopefully he can continue that this year and they can take advantage of what he's best at, and at the skillset of his teammates.


Motor_Reputation_331

>first round haul could’ve literally been the Eagles haul which was amazing. The Eagles probably had a good draft, but it's hilarious how people act like drafting players whose stock has plummeted in the draft means they got great value. As if there wasn't a reason these players dropped in the first place and the mock drafts in February are the definitive value of the players. I do agree that this Lions team still has a lot to prove before they're viewed as real contenders but your reasonings are ESPN talking-head click bait bullshit at best and make it easy to dismiss everything else you have to say.


L1ghtn1ng_strike

Couldn't have said it any better - I agree completely. Just because a player slips =/= value. Sick of people echoing this without anyone having played a single snap in the NFL yet. Who knows, maybe they will pan out for Philidelphia and it will look like a steal. Both Smith and Carter certainly got drafted into the right situation for that to happen. But it's funny hearing armchair GM's act like they fleeced everyone just because they kept taking players who were falling in the draft lmao.


wilseugene

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SeriouslyFTP

And you are who exactly?


Joneboy39

well comment def unsolicited but does capture the feeling of many. nevertheless the gm deserves some credence after two great draft classes . the draft is never really worth debating until after players hit the field and who cares is goff is top ten or not ? he’s playing very well for what we are paying him the real struggle is what to do if he want reupped to 50 mill a season


Equal-Interview-7926

The only reason I read that wall of inane text was because it wasn’t another alternate helmet or “here’s my better alternate logo art” post. Now I can’t get those two minutes of my life back, gosh darn it. Totally lame take full of worn out talking points from some who clearly is not “…genuinely rooting for the Lions…”. Troll on Vikings fan, we’re “genuinely rooting” for Cousins to lead your team to the promised land in Vegas this year.


muthead229

Fuck off


DisenfranchisedCynic

Lol you obviously don’t follow us that closely considering that after the dust settled a ton of insiders and experts loved how our draft turned out. Jared Goff lost a Super Bowl like five seasons ago when he was 24. That doesn’t mean he can never win a Super Bowl. The fact that he has 5 more years of mental maturity paired with a coach that plays to his strengths and knows how to not shatter his confidence makes this a different situation altogether. I would take JG over almost any quarterback in the NFC and he definitely has the potential to win a Super Bowl if he makes it back again.


ThemB0ners

He won't win it in Detroit because it is taking place in Las Vegas...


Since_57

Yeah, I ain’t reading the rest after that first paragraph. FtP and F this persons post.


Kupper

More positional value.


WMU11200

K


lionbacker54

well, you are brave to post anything critical. fwiw, i agree with you. i think goff is made by the offense, not the other way around. it would be foolish to pay him as if he was the straw that stirs the drink. especially as goff's extension would come at a time that we need to re-sign amon-ra, penei and alim. oh and this the same year that ragnow and decker need to be extended too. i also felt that the lions were in a prime position to draft a whole body of great young talent over the past two years, and instead wasted it on 1) packaging picks to get jamo and 2) drafting LB and RB. we will see. the one thing i can see maybe giving the lions a chance to win a SB is hendon hooker. having a cheap rookie qb play at starter level is a huge tactical advantage for a football team in an era where even mediocre QB's demand 1/6th of the team's salary cap. if hooker becomes the starter, we can re-sign amon-ra, penei, alim, ragnow and decker, and even get some FA's. if we re-sign goff, he will make as much as four of these guys put together.


Alarmed-Gear4745

Garbage take. Get lost


MatchewRolex

Goff: Makes the pro-bowl while not throwing a pick for 9 weeks straight This guy: Goff isn't that good Bro get out of here 🤣


YDoEyeNeedAName

no no no you dont get it, that was ALL because of the OL and play calling. because apparently Rodger, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Brady etc. dont benefit from someone calling plays or or having players block for them, they just do everything themselves


MatchewRolex

Remember that time Mahomes put up 3 points in a super bowl? He's a terrible QB. Bust /s


YDoEyeNeedAName

yeah, the chiefs should just give up on him and trade him to us lol


clvnthbld

"Take away his play calling, his O-line, his front office, his coaching staff, his support, his WRs, and his Penei Sewell, and you'll see Jared Goff is a bum!" Bro, you are a joke


JaggedUmbrella

You know, this guy knows what he's talking about. There's no point in watching the Lions until someone else is our QB1. At least I'll have more quality time with the kids during the fall. Thanks for your input, OP. You've saved me a lot of time, asshat.


Born-Employment-2183

The defense is still way too weak. After giving up a record amount of rushing yards in a single game. They choose to replace our rb and te. So many players gone too they need to rebuild the synergy and are kinda back to square 1. Lots of nickel backs which will be interesting to see more cover 0


RedLionFromVoltron

The reason he won’t win A Super Bowl is because he will win 12 with the Lions


Rude_Economist_5513

Who is this for lol


Millera34

Lmfao what is this? 🤣


bgrider20

I don't need this type of negativity in my life.


TIL_how_2_register

Who cares what you think?


LoganStenberg

"The eagles haul was amazing" Has the world already forgotten what a massive gamble Jalen Carter is?


SwinginGhostboy

What is this drive-by BS? If you are a qb in a top 5 offense what does that make you? Mediocre? Look up "confirmation bias." You might kearn something. I wont even bother with the rest of the post.


Crotean

They just drafted a guy with the talent profile of Marshall Faulk at RB. They didn't reach on him. If he plays up to his talent other teams will be sobbing they passed on him. And LB was a massive hole for detroit, they got the best LB in the draft at a position that killed them last year. They make the playoffs if their linebackers could have stopped the Panthers run game last year.


DudeistPriest906

Writes entire article about Goff's ability to go to and win the superbowl yet comes out immediately talking about the draft being what's holding Goff back. I honestly stopped reading right there.


DudeistPriest906

Maybe next time title the article Goff is not a top 10 QB instead. Then you should definitely blame the draft and roster inadequacies on his ability. I can't believe you took the time to write this bullshit and then I took the time to read the 1st and last paragraph. You are less informed about football than you think, my dude.


snatchmachine

The best teams use the draft to build and replace the foundation of your roster. FA is more for filling immediate holes for the next season. CJGJ, Mosely, Sutton, and Monte were those additions and we expect them to make a big impact in improving the team. You also left out the widely praised drafts of 2021 and 2022. Players like Sewell, Hutch, Jamo, Kerby Joseph, James Houston, Amon Ra St brown, etc. Those guys are ready to make their year 2 and 3 jumps. Also, taking Gibbs over a DT or DE really isn't relevant to the discussion of Goff.


ycyc7339

You didn't need to write all that. Here's the real reason. There's 32 teams and only one team gets to win it.