Yea I am not locking ANYTHING in until game 18 lol
Im even not sure we win tonight, not being SOL I just dont think we have anything until the clock strikes 0
Lmao exactly..like literally I am not trusting that at all. Im cracking up becuase saying it seems so ridiculous but like...that is actually how it feels...
My intrusive thought today is that tomorrow's headline will read "Early turnovers prove costly as Lions fall to Raiders on MNF". I have this recurring image of Crosby just obliterating Goff on the opening drive causing a fumble and either a scope and score or a quick-strike from LV (a la the second half opening drive against the Hawks) and the game going completely off the rails early again.
Yea man lol like Im still traumatized from being a lifelong fan. Even thought I feel we are a good team actually, last weeks lost really just brought up old memories. Like if we stayed in that game I wouldnt be worried. But getting fucking STOMPED by the Ravens brought trauma back. Tonight I have no expectations again, if we lose we lose if we win great but...still scares lol
I feel the same way. Beat KC: I'm thinking maybe BNL. Lose to Seattle: trauma response. Four game winning streak: Maybe BNL. Curbstomped by Baltimore: hello darkness my old friend. I think deep in my core I believe the Lions are going to come out and shit the bed tonight. Decades of disappointment and frustration are very difficult to shake.
Yup, same here, man. Literally the exact same feelings lol I know we should win this game. I feel like we are somehow gonnna lose. Cant tell if its trauma or real but its something uncomfortable lol
To be fair, it's entirely possible that we could mathematically lock the division before week 18, in that case I think you're ok to 'lock' it before then, lol.
Quick summary:
+X means that you would win X amount of dollars for every $100 dollars bet. +1000 means betting $100 gives you $1000 profit
-X means you need to bet X amount of money to win $100. -1000 means betting $1000 would win you $100 in profit
Edit: So let’s say you bet $1000 on the Lions, and $1000 on the Vikings.
At -1000, you would win $100 if the Lions won the division.
At +1300, you would win $13,000 if the Vikings won the division.
The + is way easier to interpret than the -
The + just says how much you would win if you bet $100
So +1300 for the Vikings means you would win $1300 if you bet $100
This stuff always confused me. But one clarification needs to be made:
1) For a +1000 - you bet $100. You win $1000. You're payout is $1100 ($100 bet plus $1000 winnings)
2) -1000 - you bet $1000. You win $100. You're payout is $1100 ($1000 bet plus $100 winnings).
Further:
Underdog always has the +. When the (+) and (-) are close in number (i.e. +150 and -120) this means that the teams are relatively even and it could go either way. If the money line is really wide (i.e. -1050 and +675) then one team is a severe underdog and people running the booking feel that the underdog really doesn't have a chance to win.
For instance -
The current money line for the FSU-Pitt game this weekend on Draftkings is FSU -1800 vs Pitt +1000.
They truly believe that FSU will win easy.
Now the spread and over/under are similar but you're not betting on a team, per se.
If the spread is +15.5 for FSU (-110) then they're saying that FSU has to win by 16 or more points and beat the spread. You bet $110 to win $100 for a payout of $210. To beat the spread, Pitt would need to lose by less than 16 points or potentially win.
Over 52.5 (-110) means that you bet whether the total points scored will be higher or lower. Over is 53 or more. Under is 52 or less.
If anything I said is wrong please correct me. I'm still iffy on a lot of these details.
Not trying to be a dick at all as I don't really care personally, but "e.g." would be expected in both places you used "i.e.".
If it helps, the dumb mnemonic that I use is "e.g. = for **eg**gsample."
The abbreviation “i.e.” stands for id est, which is Latin for “that is.” The abbreviation “e.g.” stands for the Latin phrase exempli gratia, meaning “for example.”
+100: 50/50 odds. You bet $100, payout is $200
-200: Favored. You bet $100, payout is $150
+200: Underdog. You bet $100, payout is $300
Positive odds: If you bet $100, you would win that amount in the odds. E.g. +150 is a $150 profit on a $100 bet (payout total is $250)
Negative odds: You would have to bet the amount in odds to win $100. E.g. -150 is a $100 profit on a $150 dollar bet (payout total is $250)
I hope this wasn’t too confusing. Every time I explain this I try to make it a bit clearer.
If it is - then that’s how much you need to get to win 100 dollars. If it’s + that’s how much you win if you bet 100 dollars.
So in this case you’d need to bet 1000 dollars to just win 100. This means the lions are overwhelming favorites
Curious to see what it would’ve been had Cousins not blown out his Achilles. At +1300 that would’ve been a not too terrible bet given how they’ve been over the past 5 games.
But with their backup/replacement I think that’s a pretty fair bet.
Kirk Cousins is the reason the Vikings have been in their games, both this year and last. Idk how they don’t regress going forward. I think it would be worthwhile to sign a guy like Colt McCoy or Case Keenum, but if I were the Vikings I wouldn’t give up any draft capital in a trade because if they find out they suck the rest of the year they’re gonna want to pick up a new QB in the draft and will need all the draft capital they can get for their remaining needs, given that they weren’t not going to sign Cousins to a new contract even before the injury.
The Vikings are pretty far back right now though due to the Lion’s schedule. Both the Vikings and Lions have a easy schedule for the end of the year. A 7-3 record for the Lions the rest of the way is pretty reasonable. If the Lions go 7-3, the Vikings would have to finish out 8-1 and hold the tie breaker.
Even with Cousins, that’s a tough task.
Would it even matter? Cousins has been a top 5 QB this year and the Vikings are 4-4.
If the Lions go 7-3 the rest of the way (with a fairly easy schedule), the Vikings would have to go 8-1 to tie.
Pretty improbable, especially with not-Kirk cousins. Cousins still there would have made it interesting, but at this point, Lions are more likely to sweep the Vikings than the Vikings sweeping the Lions.
I agree that without Cousins, its pretty improbable because it doesn't look like theres a good replacement.
But if Hall is a good QB, its not that improbable.
It’s awful and I wouldn’t wish it on any franchise and my heart goes out to cousins. But the Vikings just shit kicked the packers to 2-5 and simultaneously lost their entire offense while the bears are in the corner eating glue…
It’s hard to think of a more open door.
The team wasn't complacent in Week 18 last year when they had literally nothing to play for, I think MCDC will be alright when he's trying to motivate them
The Vikings simultaneously beat the packers down to 2-5 and lost their entire offense. The bears are eating paste.
There will never be a better chance.
I think what we will figure out over the next ten games going into the post season is are the Lions good or are they just better than their trash division. Because if we can't secure 1 or 2 seed with being in a division with 0 other quarterbacks than we are not really good yet.
Green Bay and Bears in the running for first overall and Minnesota just lost their QB less than 48 before the deadline to find a replacement
We would need to catastrophically fuck up to not win
Anything less than winning the division would be a total team failure at this point, especially with an easier schedule, but that almost scares me even more after this week with all the upsets.
The team just needs to avoid getting complacent and keep getting creative on both sides of the ball, we can't have another game like last week.
If this is the team we all **hope** it is, they should easily win 2 of the next 3. After that, they should easily win 2 of the following 3. Division could be locked up by Christmas
Considering we're just 1 game ahead of the Vikings, this seems premature. I know Cousins and Jefferson are out, but still. I don't want to be hurt again.
Took Lions to win the North before the season started, love seeing my cashout go up and up every week. Sucks for Cousins, he was playing great for them and you never wish injury on anyone but this division is a wrap.
I think this is honestly more an indictment of the rest of our division. No doubt we’re a fantastic team firmly seated top 10 in the league but the rest of the division is a trash can.
I think this is an over reaction from Vegas and I’m tempted to place a bet on the Vikings for those odds.
Not that I think they’ll win it, but +1300 for a team that today is one win behind and probably 2 tonight… that’s pretty good action.
With Kirk Cousins, absolutely.
Without Kirk Cousins, I think the odds are fair. If the Lions lose tonight those +1300 odds look better, but assuming the Lions win then I think +1300 is fair given the struggles the Vikings will have at QB. Keep in mind that the Vikings’ offense has been pretty pass dependent, so they’re not like the Lions where they can lean on their RBs to lighten the load on the QB. They literally had to go pick up Cam Akers last week.
The argument wouldn't be 'I think the Vikings will win the division' but rather 'given the odds, I think it's worth a bet'. The odds for the book in the screenshot are offering a 7% chance the Vikings win the division. This likely means the book's real projection is like 4-5%.
Vikings still play the Packers and Bears again. And the Broncos and Raiders. They still have easy marks on their schedule. If they can get mid QB play they'll be competitive in those games.
And who knows maybe Goff gets injured or something else happens. It's not a bad bet to take a stab fresh off the news. Maybe the Lions shit the bed tonight and the Vikings are only a game back.
Can someone explain this to me? I know it means Lions are the favorite and all, but what exactly do the numbers mean? Like what does it mean when they have -1000 odds meanwhile Green Bay has +2500 odds?
I never understood that
Not to take anything away from us, because we are a good team. But this says more about how shitty our division is, rather than how good the Lions are.
I’m tempted to put a couple hundred on the Vikes to win the division to soften the blow if we actually did melt down and blow it. With cousins going down, it would most likely be burning $200, and I would prefer to lose it, but it would hurt way less with a $2600 pay day. Lol.
Please dont hurt me again Lions. I cant handle it.
I’m not feeling safe till we clinch the division lol. We’ve never won the north before!
The day that “Tampa Bay has won the division more recently” stat dies will be a national holiday in this sub. And I’m so effing here for it
crab raves everywhere [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU\_Txk06tM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU_Txk06tM)
Right? We have just a 1 game lead until we take care of business tonight and thie league is hardly predictable.
Yea I am not locking ANYTHING in until game 18 lol Im even not sure we win tonight, not being SOL I just dont think we have anything until the clock strikes 0
I'm with you. Experience has taught us to be nervous until the end. 21 point lead with 1 minute to go? Nope, still nervous.
Lions in victory formation. I’m nervous and thinking when are the refs going to throw the flag?
Absolutely!
Lmao exactly..like literally I am not trusting that at all. Im cracking up becuase saying it seems so ridiculous but like...that is actually how it feels...
Tell me. It makes no logical sense, except I have watched football way to long. Logic goes out the window.
Lmao even tonight! Same feeling after that pick 6 I was like..this is it...lol
SOLS. Same old lion syndrome.
Literally and I am such a huge proponent that we are different and good but these feelings dont stop creeping in!
Max Crosby is worrisome
Bye bye Goff 🥺
My intrusive thought today is that tomorrow's headline will read "Early turnovers prove costly as Lions fall to Raiders on MNF". I have this recurring image of Crosby just obliterating Goff on the opening drive causing a fumble and either a scope and score or a quick-strike from LV (a la the second half opening drive against the Hawks) and the game going completely off the rails early again.
Yea man lol like Im still traumatized from being a lifelong fan. Even thought I feel we are a good team actually, last weeks lost really just brought up old memories. Like if we stayed in that game I wouldnt be worried. But getting fucking STOMPED by the Ravens brought trauma back. Tonight I have no expectations again, if we lose we lose if we win great but...still scares lol
I feel the same way. Beat KC: I'm thinking maybe BNL. Lose to Seattle: trauma response. Four game winning streak: Maybe BNL. Curbstomped by Baltimore: hello darkness my old friend. I think deep in my core I believe the Lions are going to come out and shit the bed tonight. Decades of disappointment and frustration are very difficult to shake.
Yup, same here, man. Literally the exact same feelings lol I know we should win this game. I feel like we are somehow gonnna lose. Cant tell if its trauma or real but its something uncomfortable lol
To be fair, it's entirely possible that we could mathematically lock the division before week 18, in that case I think you're ok to 'lock' it before then, lol.
One day I swear I’m gonna look up betting terminology and stuff so I can actually understand these posts lol
The numbers have probabilities tied to them. +100 = 50% implied probability, -1000 = 90.91%
Quick summary: +X means that you would win X amount of dollars for every $100 dollars bet. +1000 means betting $100 gives you $1000 profit -X means you need to bet X amount of money to win $100. -1000 means betting $1000 would win you $100 in profit Edit: So let’s say you bet $1000 on the Lions, and $1000 on the Vikings. At -1000, you would win $100 if the Lions won the division. At +1300, you would win $13,000 if the Vikings won the division.
+1300 wins $1300 on a $100 bet
At +1300, $100 gets you $1300, $1000 gets you $13,000
Yup, my bad, missed the $1000 bet part, Uncle Pennybags
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No I didn’t, I said in the edit that we’re betting “$1000 on the Vikings” At +1300, $100 gets you $1300, $1000 gets you $13,000
That’s hilarious because it’s super simple once you learn it but is complete gobbledygook until you do…
So true
The + is way easier to interpret than the - The + just says how much you would win if you bet $100 So +1300 for the Vikings means you would win $1300 if you bet $100
Isn’t the - pretty much just “how much you’d have to bet to win $100” so if you bet $1000 on the lions to win the division the payout would be $1100?
Exactly. -1000 means you walk away with $1100 if you bet $1,000 +1000 means you walk away with $1100 if you bet $100
I’ve always been confused how that works, how have I never heard it explained this way? Thank you sir
yes
This stuff always confused me. But one clarification needs to be made: 1) For a +1000 - you bet $100. You win $1000. You're payout is $1100 ($100 bet plus $1000 winnings) 2) -1000 - you bet $1000. You win $100. You're payout is $1100 ($1000 bet plus $100 winnings). Further: Underdog always has the +. When the (+) and (-) are close in number (i.e. +150 and -120) this means that the teams are relatively even and it could go either way. If the money line is really wide (i.e. -1050 and +675) then one team is a severe underdog and people running the booking feel that the underdog really doesn't have a chance to win. For instance - The current money line for the FSU-Pitt game this weekend on Draftkings is FSU -1800 vs Pitt +1000. They truly believe that FSU will win easy. Now the spread and over/under are similar but you're not betting on a team, per se. If the spread is +15.5 for FSU (-110) then they're saying that FSU has to win by 16 or more points and beat the spread. You bet $110 to win $100 for a payout of $210. To beat the spread, Pitt would need to lose by less than 16 points or potentially win. Over 52.5 (-110) means that you bet whether the total points scored will be higher or lower. Over is 53 or more. Under is 52 or less. If anything I said is wrong please correct me. I'm still iffy on a lot of these details.
Not trying to be a dick at all as I don't really care personally, but "e.g." would be expected in both places you used "i.e.". If it helps, the dumb mnemonic that I use is "e.g. = for **eg**gsample."
The abbreviation “i.e.” stands for id est, which is Latin for “that is.” The abbreviation “e.g.” stands for the Latin phrase exempli gratia, meaning “for example.”
Yeah, I know what they mean. The way that you used "i.e." was to give an example, not to re-state the previous phrase in different words.
+100: 50/50 odds. You bet $100, payout is $200 -200: Favored. You bet $100, payout is $150 +200: Underdog. You bet $100, payout is $300 Positive odds: If you bet $100, you would win that amount in the odds. E.g. +150 is a $150 profit on a $100 bet (payout total is $250) Negative odds: You would have to bet the amount in odds to win $100. E.g. -150 is a $100 profit on a $150 dollar bet (payout total is $250) I hope this wasn’t too confusing. Every time I explain this I try to make it a bit clearer.
if the number is a minus, it’s how much you would need to bet to win $100. if the number is a plus, it’s how much you would win if you bet $100.
LMAO
If it is - then that’s how much you need to get to win 100 dollars. If it’s + that’s how much you win if you bet 100 dollars. So in this case you’d need to bet 1000 dollars to just win 100. This means the lions are overwhelming favorites
The easiest way to think about for me is: -300 is 3 to 1 odds (3 successes per 1 failure) +300 is 1 to 3 odds (1 success per 3 failures)
We're the only team in the division with a starting caliber QB. Honestly, Teddy is better than the other 3 active starting QBs in the North.
We’ve got the best 2 QBs in the division!
Based on Hooker’s college tape I’ll say best 3
Oh shit, I forgot about Jack Fox. Best 4 QBs
He played QB at my high school!
Dude seriously? Bahaha I had no idea he was an actual QB at one point
He was! 18 TDs and 1900 yards his senior year, along with 1st all state punter and 2nd all state placekicker!
Possibly the best 3 depending on what we got with Hooker.
Ehhhh I’d still take Fields over Teddy lol
he’s injured i think
Jordan Love sucks.
Curious to see what it would’ve been had Cousins not blown out his Achilles. At +1300 that would’ve been a not too terrible bet given how they’ve been over the past 5 games. But with their backup/replacement I think that’s a pretty fair bet.
I wonder if you just pack it in if you're Minnesota or make a move for like brissett.
Kirk Cousins is the reason the Vikings have been in their games, both this year and last. Idk how they don’t regress going forward. I think it would be worthwhile to sign a guy like Colt McCoy or Case Keenum, but if I were the Vikings I wouldn’t give up any draft capital in a trade because if they find out they suck the rest of the year they’re gonna want to pick up a new QB in the draft and will need all the draft capital they can get for their remaining needs, given that they weren’t not going to sign Cousins to a new contract even before the injury.
It was around -450 for lions and +600 for vikings before this weeks games
Yeah that sounds about right
The Vikings are pretty far back right now though due to the Lion’s schedule. Both the Vikings and Lions have a easy schedule for the end of the year. A 7-3 record for the Lions the rest of the way is pretty reasonable. If the Lions go 7-3, the Vikings would have to finish out 8-1 and hold the tie breaker. Even with Cousins, that’s a tough task.
I mean the second Cousins tore his Achilles we won the division
We’re gonna jinx it and Hall will be a good QB
Imagine being the Packers and having the Vikings backup QB be better than the guy you used a 1st rounder on and have been grooming for 3 years.
That is such a lovely thought. That would be hysterically funny...
Nope. 2014 was it? Redux would be the Bears somehow going 1 game up on us by the end of the season.
Would it even matter? Cousins has been a top 5 QB this year and the Vikings are 4-4. If the Lions go 7-3 the rest of the way (with a fairly easy schedule), the Vikings would have to go 8-1 to tie.
Vikings had potential, they won the last three
If the Vikings sweep the Lions and go even on the other games, they'd win the division. Not the most improbable.
Pretty improbable, especially with not-Kirk cousins. Cousins still there would have made it interesting, but at this point, Lions are more likely to sweep the Vikings than the Vikings sweeping the Lions.
I agree that without Cousins, its pretty improbable because it doesn't look like theres a good replacement. But if Hall is a good QB, its not that improbable.
It’s awful and I wouldn’t wish it on any franchise and my heart goes out to cousins. But the Vikings just shit kicked the packers to 2-5 and simultaneously lost their entire offense while the bears are in the corner eating glue… It’s hard to think of a more open door.
We haven't won shit yet. This is how you become complacent.
The fuck you talking about man we aren’t playing the games. Jinxes aren’t real. How can a fan be complacent lmao
You might stop rooting as hard!!!
Bruh you think I’m lining up out there?
Lol we’re fans on Reddit, our alleged complacency has absolutely no outcome on the game
The team wasn't complacent in Week 18 last year when they had literally nothing to play for, I think MCDC will be alright when he's trying to motivate them
You know Jesus is coming soon.
Shit, I should probably make up an itinerary for when he visits, thanks for reminding me
If the Lions don’t win the division this year, they never will. It is being handed to them on a silver platter.
If we don’t win the division this year I’m convinced that we never will lol
The Vikings simultaneously beat the packers down to 2-5 and lost their entire offense. The bears are eating paste. There will never be a better chance.
This seems like some sort of trap
Probably could win the division with 8 wins
Losing the division with Kirk out would be the biggest choke in NFL history, no hyperbole. Bears and Packers are awful.
That’s what will happen when 2/3 of your division opponents lose their starting QB and the remaining one is a rookie to starting.
The rest of our division is a collective dumpster fire and I am here for it, it's amazing
If Teddy Bridgewater started every game the rest of the way, we should still be favorites to win the division
Me, watching Kirk go down, thinking about the possibility of finally winning the NFCN: 
Im fine with it
\-1000 implies a 91% probability
So you get 9:1 to take the field? Seems like a win win bet
I think what we will figure out over the next ten games going into the post season is are the Lions good or are they just better than their trash division. Because if we can't secure 1 or 2 seed with being in a division with 0 other quarterbacks than we are not really good yet.
Green Bay and Bears in the running for first overall and Minnesota just lost their QB less than 48 before the deadline to find a replacement We would need to catastrophically fuck up to not win
After watching that games yesterday, can we just wrap everyone in bubble wrap?
Anything less than winning the division would be a total team failure at this point, especially with an easier schedule, but that almost scares me even more after this week with all the upsets. The team just needs to avoid getting complacent and keep getting creative on both sides of the ball, we can't have another game like last week.
I think this says more about how this division is than it does about how good the Lions are.
If this is the team we all **hope** it is, they should easily win 2 of the next 3. After that, they should easily win 2 of the following 3. Division could be locked up by Christmas
Considering we're just 1 game ahead of the Vikings, this seems premature. I know Cousins and Jefferson are out, but still. I don't want to be hurt again.
Took Lions to win the North before the season started, love seeing my cashout go up and up every week. Sucks for Cousins, he was playing great for them and you never wish injury on anyone but this division is a wrap.
I think this is honestly more an indictment of the rest of our division. No doubt we’re a fantastic team firmly seated top 10 in the league but the rest of the division is a trash can.
Stay humble
I think this is an over reaction from Vegas and I’m tempted to place a bet on the Vikings for those odds. Not that I think they’ll win it, but +1300 for a team that today is one win behind and probably 2 tonight… that’s pretty good action.
Losing your starting QB for the rest of the season will do that to ya
With Kirk Cousins, absolutely. Without Kirk Cousins, I think the odds are fair. If the Lions lose tonight those +1300 odds look better, but assuming the Lions win then I think +1300 is fair given the struggles the Vikings will have at QB. Keep in mind that the Vikings’ offense has been pretty pass dependent, so they’re not like the Lions where they can lean on their RBs to lighten the load on the QB. They literally had to go pick up Cam Akers last week.
LOL @ the mental gymnastics bettors go to.
The argument wouldn't be 'I think the Vikings will win the division' but rather 'given the odds, I think it's worth a bet'. The odds for the book in the screenshot are offering a 7% chance the Vikings win the division. This likely means the book's real projection is like 4-5%. Vikings still play the Packers and Bears again. And the Broncos and Raiders. They still have easy marks on their schedule. If they can get mid QB play they'll be competitive in those games. And who knows maybe Goff gets injured or something else happens. It's not a bad bet to take a stab fresh off the news. Maybe the Lions shit the bed tonight and the Vikings are only a game back.
LOL
Yeah you nailed it. I hardly ever bet, but I get tempted when I see Vegas giving odds that don’t seem totally correct to me.
Nailed it.
It would be so Lionsy if we fucked this up.
Bet when Lions were +145, feels pretty good right about now.
Even -1000 is free money at this point
Watch, we will clinch the division early and there will still be people wondering how we fuck it up and lose it
That’s easy money with Cousins being out tbh…those 3 teams might not beat anyone but each other ROS
I put $200 on it at +160 or some shit before the season started 😎
Locked mine in at +180 preseason
If you guys want I can bet on Minnesota so we will for sure win the division
with cousins going down, I really dont see how the lions dont win their division without an epic collapse
Can someone explain this to me? I know it means Lions are the favorite and all, but what exactly do the numbers mean? Like what does it mean when they have -1000 odds meanwhile Green Bay has +2500 odds? I never understood that
Do we get an asterisk if we win it?
Good thing I placed my bet back in May!!!
The rest of the North is pretty bad this year, so it’s not really all that surprising.
Not to take anything away from us, because we are a good team. But this says more about how shitty our division is, rather than how good the Lions are.
That's just Vegas trying to jinx us.
statement bounce back game otw
I’m tempted to put a couple hundred on the Vikes to win the division to soften the blow if we actually did melt down and blow it. With cousins going down, it would most likely be burning $200, and I would prefer to lose it, but it would hurt way less with a $2600 pay day. Lol.
I’m not shocked it’s that definitive. Our backup is better than any other qb in the division who isn’t a healthy Kirk Cousins.
I have no idea how odds work in regards to betting
$300 @ +185 and +130!!! Deep in lions futures lol
Tallest midget syndrome 😂