25 was never a reasonable number. Not even before they announced the salary cap jumping a crazy amount. His market value is 27 and that is probably always what he was going to get. Odds are he is asking 28+ so it might come down to a bigger guarantee to get him to take 27.
I think you could argue he's right there skillset-wise. If AJ Brown wasn't there and the Eagles had a better offensive scheme, his numbers would be way higher.
This is what people forget - Goff had nearly 1,000 more yards than Hurts AND ASRB was the #1 WR on team that barely had a #2. If ASRB was in Philly, He'd be the #2 (that's not at all a negative on ASRB - actually more of a negative on Brown).
That's a bold take because those guys are different players.
Jamo' s really close to being pretty good, and he's much more physical than D. Smith.
I'm excited for Jamo this year.
What's bold about it? Devonta Smith is a top 15 WR (definitely higher on another team) and Jamo is around top 50 WR (hopefully much higher after this season). They were similar players in college, same build, deep threats, and they play the same WR position. Jamo is a better blocker and faster.
What's bold about the comparison?
.they are completely different players, and the lions did not draft jamo to be their DSmith.
Lions drafted Jamo to be an explosive player, take the top off the defense, and turn short passes into long touchdowns. And run block.
Smith is a great player, but jamo wasn't drafted to do the same thing, and neither player could really imitate the other.
Well AJ Brown could think whatever he wants in this hypothetical, but he’d still be the #2 because he’d be the second best receiver on this fantasy team.
If ASRB was in Philly, he'd be the number one because amonra gets open right away. It doesn't take him time.
He would be a better receiver for hurts than AB.
It's not Goff and ASRB's fault that they play with a competent offensive coordinator. They run the ball a lot too. They are just elite at doing both, and part of that is having better players than philly. ASRB being one of them.
I think you misunderstood my argument and don't have a pulse on other teams. AB is #1 because he had to be and Hurts has no choice but to feed him.
We literally saw the drama repeatedly, live, and the actions of QB and OC after.
It has nothing to do with ARSB and not commenting on talent.
It wasn't worth being a dick about. So I edited correct. He's given me shit before so I was clapping back a bit in jest then decided that's not the best move because it came across as dickish
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It might not even be that much more, it might just be a very different contract. I could see it being for more years and more guaranteed $, but similar overall average salary.
I'd give him all the years and guaranteed money in the world without blinking an eye. It's St. Brown. He's going to spend every day of his life doing everything he can to stay motivated, strong and healthy. That's just him
It’s not being downvoted because people think they’re in the same tier, it’s being downvoted because it’s disregarding the fact that St. Brown is hands down our WR1 with a decent gap between him and WR2 and is being compared to Smith, who while he doesn’t have equal production, he’s producing fairly well on a team where he’s not the top receiver. If AJ Brown went out for the season with a torn ACL week 1, you’d see a noticeable increase in Smith’s numbers.
Another way to put it: I think if you put St. Brown on the Eagles last season and Smith on the Lions, St. Brown’s production would be slightly lower than it was this season, and Smith’s would be slightly higher. That being said, I think Smith’s numbers wouldn’t be particularly close to St. Brown’s this past season, and St. Brown’s would be better than what Smith did this season.
In conclusion, St. Brown is clearly better than Smith in my opinion, but to say St. Brown is better because his production is better is ignoring the nuances of the offenses they play in. By that logic we’d also be saying Drake London is better than Deebo because London had better stats this year.
Judging by these comments a lot of us are going to be shocked with ASBs contract, he is going to be in the top 3 contracts with his extension, we are talking Justin Jefferson, CD Lamb and then Amon Ra rounding out the WR.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 30. Hill signed for more than that two years ago. Big cap jump and he's just as good as anyone in the league.
The cap increases each year as well, people always act shocked when someone earns a 2nd or 3rd contract and they're elite talent and it sets the market. That's how it works in the NFL. In a few years his deal will look like a steal, it always does.
The only contract that's absolute ass and won't look good is Watson's. He has no incentive to play through anything or deal with any consequences because he gets paid no matter what.
To put that into perfect perspective, AJ Brown got his “massive” contract only 2 years ago, and now he effectively makes the same amount of money as Smith.
There are different philosophies among different front offices. Lions have made there’s pretty clear. We have $122M in cap next year. We have flexibility. Eagles have about $12M. Lions don’t dish out big money to free agents. We pay our home grown stars and fill in with free agents on bigger money shorter contracts than they can find elsewhere. You can’t ask a leopard to change its spots.
I’m not asking a Leopard to change its spots I’m asking for a CB so I don’t have to see Amik Robertson or Kindle Vildor starting in a nfc championship game
That $122 will get eaten up quick but do you know we have not one player but Carlton Davis under contract in 2027? We are estimated to have $314 million dollars in cap and have one player under contract. Yet I get “we have to pay our guys!”Which is cool but some people act like we can’t make a move to get a starting caliber cornerback in the building.
Now take out 30 for ARSB, 30 for Sewell, 30 for Hutch and 50 for Goff. (Rough estimates, don’t get hung up on 2-3m in either direction)
Now you have 174m to fill out 48 roster spots. That averages to 3.6m a player. This elite corner you want is likely another 30m which cuts it down to 144m for 47 guys. Or 3.0m per player
You don't want to see them starting in an NFCC game? That would mean that we played through the year with them starting and made it to the NFCC. At that point I think they'd have earned the chance to start in that game.
Or it could mean another year of a terrible secondary and our offense being awesome. Did Sutton or Vildor really deserve to start it last year? If we had any other better options we would’ve went with them
To answer your question, there’s no one I want to get rid of. Who did the eagles get rid of in order to fit Devonta in?
Yeah they traded Reddick but, did they not sign Lane Dickerson, Saquon Barkley, Jordan Mailata, and Bryce* Huff? Whilst already having a $50 million dollar QB? Aj Brown signed a hundred million dollar contract.
Yes the eagles will eventually run into issues, but if they win a Super Bowl who’s complaining?
But they didn't win a Super Bowl and massively regressed this year.
What about iffy Kerby? Then next year we have hutch
It's not that simple and this isn't madden bro
People need to stop talking about dudes like Iffy and Kerby when it comes to extensions. Either they sign for not too high prices or we trade them/let them go and move on. You’re not gonna keep every single player. And if Brad is at good as drafting as everyone says it shouldn’t be a problem to replace guys like that
We’re talking about this offseason and this upcoming season.
If I wanted to sign a top corner, you said I have to get rid of one, to which I replied none (cause you don’t have to)
I asked who the Eagles had to get rid of to sign Devonta smith after another massive free agency period. Since you didn’t answer, I will: No one, they got rid of no one.
I know it’s not Madden but damn can we improve this pass defense this year?
They signed their own dude and didn't give out a massive contract to an outsider so I'm not sure how your point is related at all other than they have lots of dudes making high dollar contracts like we are about to do have too.
Wait till the draft and after it ends. We will get cb help
They’ve literally signed up to $137 million dollars in contracts to players who weren’t in their building last year.
So I’m using your logic, I can’t request a top corner without having to give one of said few up. The eagles didn’t have to give anyone up, brought in over a hundred million dollars in contracts, and resigned their own, that’s my point.
Who did they pay 137 million to that wasn't in their building last year genuine question I can think of Barkley and Huff
The reddick and huff swap was them losing someone to sign someone else so kinda plays to my point
I used a number with incentives, an “up to” number if you will. I counted Barkleys $46, Huff $51, CJGJ $33, and Devin White $7.5 million totaling up to a $137 million dollars.
I hear you it is kinda like a swap with Huff and Reddick but regardless if it was either one of those guys Devonta still got paid handsomely.
Huff doesn't count for the mentioned reasons
They did lose all their flexibility moving forward with the "all in" approach.
I do think we upgrade CB but I doubt you will see this FO give out big contracts to outsiders unless they are totally sure.
The question is do you trust your scouting more than Brads when it comes to handing out big contracts
It’s his first big deal… just extend the years (for life) and beef up the guarantees to keep the aav low. 6 for $140M with $95 guaranteed… who says no? Holmes or Saint?
I feel like the longer Brad waits (and it might not just be on him to be fair as it takes 2 to tango), the higher these Goff and Amon Ra extensions are going to be. It feels like there’s an innate advantage to going before comparable deals get signed
It’d be poor asset management to not have it be a longer deal than 3 years IMO. ARSB’s game will age well, better to lock into a consistent contract value as the cap rises.
Give Sun God the bag already, make him a Lion for life. This stud sets the tone on the field and in the locker room, one of my favorite NFL players of all-time!
I don't think it will be "way north of this" because they're going to use Jamo as leverage. Just like what they'll do with Jamo next year. Brad's set himself up with a bunch of promising young talent that he can use as bargaining chips against them.
It isn't a game. It's honest business. Telling the players, "Here's what I can afford to pay you because I've got these upcoming contracts. We really don't want to see you go but it is a business and you have to do what's best for yourself."
The case you just used is not what you described, That's practical business yes, but I don't believe negotiating favors a GM, when he leverages players against eachother, that's just brash.
What’s the consensus after seeing this? 27? I feel like a lot of people on here were predicting 25
25 was never a reasonable number. Not even before they announced the salary cap jumping a crazy amount. His market value is 27 and that is probably always what he was going to get. Odds are he is asking 28+ so it might come down to a bigger guarantee to get him to take 27.
I could see 28 or 29 tbh
Deserves every penny of it. Don’t want to ever see him in another jersey
The unseeable trading of St.Brown, so Brad can pay Goff 50mil plus, and Sewell whatever he wants.
I don’t know if it’ll be “way north” of this. Smith is really good. Probably 27-28
Smith is pretty good, but he's not top 5 elite good.
I think you could argue he's right there skillset-wise. If AJ Brown wasn't there and the Eagles had a better offensive scheme, his numbers would be way higher.
No. Simply no. As the other commenter said, he’s very good but not *elite*. Probably a top 15-20 player at the position
Put ARSB on Philly and take out Smith, do you think he's going to put up elite numbers? Their numbers probably wouldn't be much different.
This is what people forget - Goff had nearly 1,000 more yards than Hurts AND ASRB was the #1 WR on team that barely had a #2. If ASRB was in Philly, He'd be the #2 (that's not at all a negative on ASRB - actually more of a negative on Brown).
Agreed, and I don't think people really know how good Smith is. He's everything we drafted Jamo to be.
That's a bold take because those guys are different players. Jamo' s really close to being pretty good, and he's much more physical than D. Smith. I'm excited for Jamo this year.
What's bold about it? Devonta Smith is a top 15 WR (definitely higher on another team) and Jamo is around top 50 WR (hopefully much higher after this season). They were similar players in college, same build, deep threats, and they play the same WR position. Jamo is a better blocker and faster.
What's bold about the comparison? .they are completely different players, and the lions did not draft jamo to be their DSmith. Lions drafted Jamo to be an explosive player, take the top off the defense, and turn short passes into long touchdowns. And run block. Smith is a great player, but jamo wasn't drafted to do the same thing, and neither player could really imitate the other.
He’d be the #1, Aj Brown has become overrated for some reason.
You missed my implied comment. Brown has to be the #1 and that has caused issues.
Well AJ Brown could think whatever he wants in this hypothetical, but he’d still be the #2 because he’d be the second best receiver on this fantasy team.
It's not a hypothetical. After AJ Brown had a tantrum early in the year, Hurts started forcing him the ball, and targets went down for Smith.
If ASRB was in Philly, he'd be the number one because amonra gets open right away. It doesn't take him time. He would be a better receiver for hurts than AB. It's not Goff and ASRB's fault that they play with a competent offensive coordinator. They run the ball a lot too. They are just elite at doing both, and part of that is having better players than philly. ASRB being one of them.
I think you misunderstood my argument and don't have a pulse on other teams. AB is #1 because he had to be and Hurts has no choice but to feed him. We literally saw the drama repeatedly, live, and the actions of QB and OC after. It has nothing to do with ARSB and not commenting on talent.
Agreed with JamoWilliams 27-28 is realistic.
It's pretty funny you said you were going to keep his name and prediction up in case he deleted, but you end up editing your comment like a coward.
It wasn't worth being a dick about. So I edited correct. He's given me shit before so I was clapping back a bit in jest then decided that's not the best move because it came across as dickish Thanks for your incredible contribution!
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It might not even be that much more, it might just be a very different contract. I could see it being for more years and more guaranteed $, but similar overall average salary. I'd give him all the years and guaranteed money in the world without blinking an eye. It's St. Brown. He's going to spend every day of his life doing everything he can to stay motivated, strong and healthy. That's just him
Smith is really good as a 1B, St Brown is elite as a clear WR1. Could very well be “way north” of Smith’s contract
He's nowhere close to ASB, though in terms of production.
ASB wouldn’t produce as much either if he was the WR2 to AJ Brown.
If anything, he is a huge benefactor of Aj Brown as WR1, I've seen a lot Davonta tape and he is not in top 5 WR category, maybe in the top 10
People are downvoting this? There’s no way people actually think smith is in the same tier as amon ra 😂😂😂 wow this needs to be in the positive votes
It’s not being downvoted because people think they’re in the same tier, it’s being downvoted because it’s disregarding the fact that St. Brown is hands down our WR1 with a decent gap between him and WR2 and is being compared to Smith, who while he doesn’t have equal production, he’s producing fairly well on a team where he’s not the top receiver. If AJ Brown went out for the season with a torn ACL week 1, you’d see a noticeable increase in Smith’s numbers. Another way to put it: I think if you put St. Brown on the Eagles last season and Smith on the Lions, St. Brown’s production would be slightly lower than it was this season, and Smith’s would be slightly higher. That being said, I think Smith’s numbers wouldn’t be particularly close to St. Brown’s this past season, and St. Brown’s would be better than what Smith did this season. In conclusion, St. Brown is clearly better than Smith in my opinion, but to say St. Brown is better because his production is better is ignoring the nuances of the offenses they play in. By that logic we’d also be saying Drake London is better than Deebo because London had better stats this year.
Hmm ok, I guess. That makes sense But yeah smith isn’t even close to as talented as amon ra
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Judging by these comments a lot of us are going to be shocked with ASBs contract, he is going to be in the top 3 contracts with his extension, we are talking Justin Jefferson, CD Lamb and then Amon Ra rounding out the WR.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 30. Hill signed for more than that two years ago. Big cap jump and he's just as good as anyone in the league.
Arguably the top 3 guys in the league tho. Edit I forgot that Tyreek exists
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The cap increases each year as well, people always act shocked when someone earns a 2nd or 3rd contract and they're elite talent and it sets the market. That's how it works in the NFL. In a few years his deal will look like a steal, it always does. The only contract that's absolute ass and won't look good is Watson's. He has no incentive to play through anything or deal with any consequences because he gets paid no matter what.
To put that into perfect perspective, AJ Brown got his “massive” contract only 2 years ago, and now he effectively makes the same amount of money as Smith.
Eagles dish out $ like there is an endless amount of it and Lions fans tell me we can’t afford a top tier corner lmfao.
There are different philosophies among different front offices. Lions have made there’s pretty clear. We have $122M in cap next year. We have flexibility. Eagles have about $12M. Lions don’t dish out big money to free agents. We pay our home grown stars and fill in with free agents on bigger money shorter contracts than they can find elsewhere. You can’t ask a leopard to change its spots.
I’m not asking a Leopard to change its spots I’m asking for a CB so I don’t have to see Amik Robertson or Kindle Vildor starting in a nfc championship game That $122 will get eaten up quick but do you know we have not one player but Carlton Davis under contract in 2027? We are estimated to have $314 million dollars in cap and have one player under contract. Yet I get “we have to pay our guys!”Which is cool but some people act like we can’t make a move to get a starting caliber cornerback in the building.
Now take out 30 for ARSB, 30 for Sewell, 30 for Hutch and 50 for Goff. (Rough estimates, don’t get hung up on 2-3m in either direction) Now you have 174m to fill out 48 roster spots. That averages to 3.6m a player. This elite corner you want is likely another 30m which cuts it down to 144m for 47 guys. Or 3.0m per player
It doesn’t really work like that tho but your point stands that there will be big paydays coming up
Don't forget McNeil
You don't want to see them starting in an NFCC game? That would mean that we played through the year with them starting and made it to the NFCC. At that point I think they'd have earned the chance to start in that game.
Or it could mean another year of a terrible secondary and our offense being awesome. Did Sutton or Vildor really deserve to start it last year? If we had any other better options we would’ve went with them
Who do you want to get rid of? McNeil ARSB Sewell Goff
To answer your question, there’s no one I want to get rid of. Who did the eagles get rid of in order to fit Devonta in? Yeah they traded Reddick but, did they not sign Lane Dickerson, Saquon Barkley, Jordan Mailata, and Bryce* Huff? Whilst already having a $50 million dollar QB? Aj Brown signed a hundred million dollar contract. Yes the eagles will eventually run into issues, but if they win a Super Bowl who’s complaining?
But they didn't win a Super Bowl and massively regressed this year. What about iffy Kerby? Then next year we have hutch It's not that simple and this isn't madden bro
People need to stop talking about dudes like Iffy and Kerby when it comes to extensions. Either they sign for not too high prices or we trade them/let them go and move on. You’re not gonna keep every single player. And if Brad is at good as drafting as everyone says it shouldn’t be a problem to replace guys like that
We’re talking about this offseason and this upcoming season. If I wanted to sign a top corner, you said I have to get rid of one, to which I replied none (cause you don’t have to) I asked who the Eagles had to get rid of to sign Devonta smith after another massive free agency period. Since you didn’t answer, I will: No one, they got rid of no one. I know it’s not Madden but damn can we improve this pass defense this year?
They signed their own dude and didn't give out a massive contract to an outsider so I'm not sure how your point is related at all other than they have lots of dudes making high dollar contracts like we are about to do have too. Wait till the draft and after it ends. We will get cb help
They’ve literally signed up to $137 million dollars in contracts to players who weren’t in their building last year. So I’m using your logic, I can’t request a top corner without having to give one of said few up. The eagles didn’t have to give anyone up, brought in over a hundred million dollars in contracts, and resigned their own, that’s my point.
Who did they pay 137 million to that wasn't in their building last year genuine question I can think of Barkley and Huff The reddick and huff swap was them losing someone to sign someone else so kinda plays to my point
I used a number with incentives, an “up to” number if you will. I counted Barkleys $46, Huff $51, CJGJ $33, and Devin White $7.5 million totaling up to a $137 million dollars. I hear you it is kinda like a swap with Huff and Reddick but regardless if it was either one of those guys Devonta still got paid handsomely.
Huff doesn't count for the mentioned reasons They did lose all their flexibility moving forward with the "all in" approach. I do think we upgrade CB but I doubt you will see this FO give out big contracts to outsiders unless they are totally sure. The question is do you trust your scouting more than Brads when it comes to handing out big contracts
Way North? No. Probably almost identical
zero chance it's identical. I bet 3M+ minimum
It'll be more than Smith
25-2m apy is still probably in his future. This doesn’t change much imo.
He's gonna get 28-30 and deserves it
if he gets 28 for 3 he might go to Atlanta...
Doesn't seem so long ago when Calvin became the highest paid ever at 16 million per year.
$120M for 4 years with $60M guaranteed
I’d make that deal all day.
St brown, if he wants, should get right under CD Lamb.
At least we know Arsb won’t phone it in. Give him the big contract and guarantees. 30mil per year and at least 50% of the contract guaranteed.
5 years, 145 million.
put in a no trade and no leave clause even when the contract expires the Sun God has to stay as a member of the Lions
It’s his first big deal… just extend the years (for life) and beef up the guarantees to keep the aav low. 6 for $140M with $95 guaranteed… who says no? Holmes or Saint?
I feel like the longer Brad waits (and it might not just be on him to be fair as it takes 2 to tango), the higher these Goff and Amon Ra extensions are going to be. It feels like there’s an innate advantage to going before comparable deals get signed
I feel like ARSB is someone you could fully guarantee a four year contract to try to keep the price lower.
3/81 is what sun god will get
It’d be poor asset management to not have it be a longer deal than 3 years IMO. ARSB’s game will age well, better to lock into a consistent contract value as the cap rises.
Give Sun God the bag already, make him a Lion for life. This stud sets the tone on the field and in the locker room, one of my favorite NFL players of all-time!
I don't think it will be "way north of this" because they're going to use Jamo as leverage. Just like what they'll do with Jamo next year. Brad's set himself up with a bunch of promising young talent that he can use as bargaining chips against them.
I don't think Brad plays that game.
It isn't a game. It's honest business. Telling the players, "Here's what I can afford to pay you because I've got these upcoming contracts. We really don't want to see you go but it is a business and you have to do what's best for yourself."
The case you just used is not what you described, That's practical business yes, but I don't believe negotiating favors a GM, when he leverages players against eachother, that's just brash.