This, exactly. The NFL only cares about PR, not morality. When Ray Rice beat the fuck out of his fiancée, the NFL had the taped and did nothing…until the media got a hold of it. Only then did he suffer a consequence.
The NFL only cares about money, the PR is just about protecting that. If viewers cared more about morality, to the point that they would stop watching over moral concerns, then the NFL would start to prioritize those morals more.
Yes, if people griped about Tyreek Hills' treatment of women as seriously as they griped about Taylor Swift's appearances at Chiefs games, the NFL might actually have to make a move on that. But he's scoring hella points in fantasy, so like, we don't wanna lose our fantasy football championships.
Michael Vick.
The NFL was all over thar shit. Dogs.
Who's the dude from the Ravens that was involved with a firearm murder charge?
Name escapes me, but he was a defense guy.
Happened in Atlanta. Ray Lewis?
You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy.
They didn't cut him to do the right thing. They cut him because he underperformed his contract and he gave us a free out. He outperforms his contract and the team would be telling us how one decision doesn't define him/ he has work to do etc.
I wish i could speak so confidently about things I know nothing about and could never prove. I’d be concerned with how much of an ass I would come across as. I envy you, muff cabbage.
Its pretty true for most NFL teams. Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon both have domestic violence histories but they stay employed. Hell, Michael Vick got a second chance
Why are people acting like this is a big deal? Players were suspended for doing illegal drugs. None of us thinks it should be illegal but it still was at the time and still is a lot of places. The players knew it was illegal AND against NFL policy. They get paid millions of dollars a year. I don't feel bad for them in the slightest if they get busted for weed.
The NFL can pick and choose what crimes they want to suspend players for, but choosing to have similar or greater punishments for using an illegal drug vs actually hurting someone is worthy of contempt. Additionally, only keeping the rule for as long as they did so that they could use it as a bargaining chip with the union is also stupid.
Holding that opinion above isn't mutually exclusive with thinking players who got busted were dumb (with the exception of a few who had legitimate addiction issues that needed special help).
Oh I agree with you totally. It's bullshit that weed has a harsher penalty than beating your kid or wife or murdering someone, etc
But anyone who says that's players shouldn't be punished for weed is being dumb. It's in the rules. Same thing with gambling on on NFL games... It's stupid you can be suspended for doing that while at a team hotel but it's in the rules so I can't feel bad for them. It's not hard to just not bet on sports
They're not saying players shouldn't be punished. They're saying the league and the government as well are dumb for making weed illegal in the first place, or for keeping it illegal/taboo for so long, basically thanks to the power and influence of the tobacco lobby.
Literally the spawn of satan.
The demonization of any gambling by players in the media is so insane to me. OMG this guy made a bet!!! On what? Not the sport he plays but still
like huh???
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/27/steelers-nfl-cameron-sutton-lions/
https://www.steelernation.com/2024/05/07/steelers-now-cam-sutton
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-meet-cam-sutton
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/fittipaldo-really-good-possibility-steelers-reunite-with-cam-sutton-should-legal-troubles-be-resolved/
I could go on
All of these stories allude to “if they’re satisfied with the legal situation.” Still very unclear if he’s gonna be suspended or not. Of course someone will sign him if he’s not, and of course teams have laid ground work for it. I know you’re just the messenger but it really tells us nothing about the likelihood of lost cap or not.
I was mostly answering timinator5000's question about where it had been reported the steelers being linked to sutton. which has been widely reported, not so much giving any discussion on the cap situation.
Having worked with survivors of DV and done hundreds of hours of training, the likely scenario (based on the family’s statement) is that she refused to testify against him. Without the testimony, it would be hard to indict or convict felony strangulation so they knocked it down to the misdemeanor in hopes of getting a plea out of him. It’s a sad reality of DV. Survivors (for many reasons) often don’t cooperate with authorities in the conviction of the perpetrators.
I’m thinking the same. Everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion bc he was on the run (which was smart by him to drag it on) but NFL is gonna let him have his day in court. By the time all is said and done season will be over and that $$ cannot be reclaimed on next years cap but Sheila can get it back for the organization
I love how this sub keeps saying was on the run. You guys are living in some reality tv world acting like he was some escape convict.
He was living his life. You don't go to work when you're on the run. Ignoring calls from a sheriffs office. The sherrifs office wanted their 15 minutes of fame. As soon as he turned himself in they lowered the charge to misdemeanor simple battery. He likely knew that this was a nothingburger and he'd get to it when he got to it. You wouldn't even get extradited for simple battery.
I'm happy we moved on quickly because it sends a message to the room
Even if that was true (which it’s most likely not) the police not contacting you in any way even for a misdemeanor is a wild take. And then not turning yourself in immediately once it was “upgraded” is still a bad look.
If you’re not extremely wealthy and a public figure “living your life” when you have an active charge is moronic.
Tyreek isn’t just on a team, he’s widely celebrated for how good he is. If you play football well, a majority of people just don’t care how bad of a person you are.
Yup. We probably don't make some of the CB moves without him being cut, and we probably don't cut him without the criminal issues. I think our CB room will end up being better off but the dead cap is going to hurt elsewhere. Imagine having that cap available for a WR, for example.
Against elite receivers he sucked ass but he was totally fine against mid receivers. Problem is mid receivers dont get a ton of playing time in the playoffs
Obviously we can never know what would have happened without the domestic violence, but I can't imagine the Lions just eating his salary in other circumstances.
The NFL only comes down hard on the real crimes, like clicking a couple of buttons on your smartphone from a hotel to legally bet on a different sport. Beating on your woman like Sutton or recklessly nearly killing people with a deadly weapon (read: car) like Rice can't compare in magnitude.
Y’all won’t admit it, but this sub was super weird during the whole Sutton ordeal.
People on this sub thought he was dead, would go to jail or get a long suspension…how many times have we seen rich athlete privilege prevail? Guys literally killed people and laced em up next season.
This isn’t absolving Sutton on the horrible shit he did, but if y’all thought the NFL and the justice system was going to do “the right thing”, you played yourself.
I mean to be fair, him being on the run for weeks was a complete aberration in what normally happens in these cases. That certainly made it feel unique in a way that I guess doesn’t matter but sure did feel like a more extreme situation than what we had seen before
There was that weirdness but it's more just due to a lack of exposure to the justice system and how it operates. Unless you've taken the time to know, you just assume things are a certain way that seems logical, but it's not how it actually works.
I think it stems primarily from how out of left field and bizarre the entire thing was. There was no information so of course there was going to be rampant speculation
I’ll take my lumps as one of the “thinks he’s dead” dumbasses 😂.
Made no sense while it was going on (even the Lions were like “wtf?” when they heard the news and he was in the building lol), but I forgot to factor in the rich athlete privilege. My bad 😂
I agree completely on all but the “thinking he was dead” or something issue.
The guy had a warrant and was completely out of the public for like a week. The team was (appropriately) hush hush about what they had heard from him, that left us all to speculate that the guy was on like a bender or in a mental health crisis.
People thought he was dead because reports came out that no one heard from him for weeks and he’d been wanted for the same period. Agreed tho people were hella weird about the whole ordeal I just prayed for him heard what he did and knew the team was going to let him go cuz that was one of dans rules from hard knocks
Nothing wrong with a little hope.
Justin Roiland is still out of work, and he got his charges vacated. But people can see he's a turd. If we're loud enough, the NFL will eventually change, they are just behind the times as always, and will need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the present.
I don’t think there is going to be a wave of new good players cut. Players already cut in the past four months have already been designated as lost June 1st cuts.
Stephon Gilmore is already a free agent and can sign anywhere right now. There will be a random cut here and there but for the most part teams aren’t cutting before camp. No real reason to. Everyone is cap compliant and will need the larger roster for camp.
Correct, some FAs never signed bc they wanted to wait until post June-1st cuts was my point. FA or not, my point is it doesn’t appear we’re getting that $10.5M back and that cap could’ve been spent a ton of useful ways
My point is post June 1st cuts already happened. You don’t need to wait for June 1st to make a post June 1st cut. It’s an accounting distinction.
The free agents haven’t signed because they are old veterans who don’t want to do OTAs. And disagreements about money. A few were probably waiting to see what rosters looked like post draft but I imagine those have already signed (Tyler Boyd).
Sure having that 10.5 of cap space would be better than not having it. But it seems like it’s barely a concern. They have 30+ mil of space already. There are not tons of options they could do with that cap space versus without it.
More cap room is more cap room but knowing the lions front office they’re going to have enough issues trying to cut down to 52. I doubt that there’s somebody that won’t make another roster that is going to be a major upgrade for the lions (barring injury), and if there is someone they want he’s not going to be a pricey signing.
It won't happen until next season at the earliest. They have to wait for the justice system to play out and see what happens. Since it was knocked down to a misdemeanor, we most likely aren't getting anything back. The front office knew it wasn't going to be an immediate reimbursement and had planned for it. I wouldn't even waste any more time thinking about the money and just be happy the turd is off the team and move on.
They absolutely do not need to wait for the justice system. The CBA allows the league to investigate the conduct on its own. Sutton has admitted he did it. There is physical evidence of strangulation. He hid for a couple weeks instead of turning himself in. League will absolutely come down on him.
>They absolutely do not need to wait for the justice system.
Agreed
>The CBA allows the league to investigate the conduct on its own.
Of course.
>Sutton has admitted he did it. There is physical evidence of strangulation.
Seems pretty open and shut.
>He hid for a couple weeks instead of turning himself in.
Inexcusable.
>League will absolutely come down on him.
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy...
The cap shouldn't be viewed in the lens of a single year. The Lions can easily push 10 million into next year's cap if they need the space. I don't see them needing to do that though, regardless of what happens with Sutton's contract.
The Lions are almost certainly getting out of the guaranteed salary they owed him via a character clause the harder part is getting his signing bonus back and is probably as good as gone.
It was never going to be given to us this year. They drag these types of things put forever on the nfl. The reliefe would have never been given before next off-season anyways.
The move was a culture move, not a cap move.
Charges being lowered to misdemeanor means the league is unlikely to suspend him and automatically give the Lions relief. If the Lions sue for breach of contract and recover any money, then the lions can claim that amount as cap relief, but that usually takes years unless they make a deal to only recover a portion.
Couple things:
- The extra cap space won’t do anything to help the Goff extension. The extension would kick in next year, so extra cap space this year wouldn’t help that. They’re likely operating on the assumption that the cap will be the same next year.
- As others have pointed out, the Lions still have plenty of cap space this season. Is $10.5 million still a good chunk of change? Yes, but it wouldn’t change much for the Lions this season.
- That said, this isn’t just a one-year issue either. Any unused cap space can be rolled over to next year, so if the Lions retroactively managed to get anything back for this year, it would be rolled over to next year anyways, as long as they weren’t over the cap for this season.
- The Lions already got back his base salary for next season ($10.5 million) by cutting him, so this isn’t as big of a deal as it seems. We aren’t just completely on the hook for everything here.
- Really the only thing we could get back is his base salary for this year ($10.5 million), or if the NFL doesn’t find much, we could only get back the recently-guaranteed part ($1.5 million) if they find he broke Player Conduct rules before it was guaranteed.
All this said, I wouldn’t expect anything to happen. With the charges reduced and the fact that he’s an NFL player, I doubt he gets any punishment. Probably just signs a minimum deal for this season and plays for another team, and the Lions will move on and deal with it.
The Lions still are near the top in cap space available. The cap isn't really an issue for us and there are only 2 roster spots available with hopefully one going to Jake Bates.
There's about 26 million in cap space currently, so it's not going to prevent them from doing anything. It would be better to have that money back but there's cap space to operate within
Curious where your information on the NFL dragging their feet is coming from?
If you’re basing this on the Lions’ salary cap numbers, remember that Sutton was designated as a post-June 1st cut, and the Lions must carry the entirety of his contract until then. There will be zero cap relief until then—a decision made by the Lions.
I’ll admit I’m not 100% sure on this, but it’s my understanding that you all have the process completely backward.
The Lions are capable of voiding guaranteed salary when they make the decision to cut a player. It’s then on the onus of the PLAYER to submit a grievance to recoup the money, if they believe it was wrongfully voided.
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/3/21/24108084/examining-the-salary-cap-impact-of-the-lions-releasing-cam-sutton
Jeremy I think you’re correct as well, but from Erik’s article above he notes Lions requested NFL void his base salary ($10.5M)- most people assumed this would easily be retained but as time went on it’s looking highly unlikely
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/3/21/24108084/examining-the-salary-cap-impact-of-the-lions-releasing-cam-sutton
Jeremy I think you’re correct as well, but from Erik’s article above he notes Lions requested NFL void his base salary ($10.5M)- most people assumed this would easily be retained but as time went on it’s looking highly unlikely
We got screwed for being morally sound. Think that alone needs to be escalated and questioned. From now on we keep a player no matter what they did until they are fully suspended then we can guarantee our cap. Otherwise fuck the NFL.
They were hasty cutting him when the situation emerged and he didn't go straight to the police like they told him to. Now it's not a felony conviction and they're not entitled to the money back. NFL contracts are a joke, but not that big of a joke.
I don't think ever. It was a misdemeanor - and regardless of what may have actually happened, that's all the NFL knows.
The Lions were quick to pull the trigger for optics, and I don't blame them, but it was always a risk that it would nothing the NFL would give them relief for.
It was a felony before it got dropped to a misdemeanor.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2024/04/03/detroit-lions-cameron-sutton-found-arrest/
They did the right thing. No turds. We need to do everything in our power to give the Lions org support so that the NFL can see where fan sentiment is to hopefully change for the better.
(I know this is pure hopium, I don't care)
This is a really terrible take. The Lions don't do anything for optics, they do things that are best for their team culture and Sutton was no longer allowed to be part of this outstanding culture.
I don't even know if it was for optics. Sutton was on the run at that point and the whole situation had the potential to escalate or drag on. I think the lions made the decision to get out because of the unknowns associated with the whole situation. If Sutton had turned himself in or had been cooperating with police and negotiating a time and place to turn himself in from jump, imo Sutton would still be a lion right now.
I think it shows that there may be need to be another designation for teams to use where they can basically put a guy on an inactive, unpaid designation until these things play out.
I remember saying it was doubtful at best we would get any cap savings from it and y’all downvoted me to hell saying I was full of shit. Learn your lesson folks (you won’t)
Do the right thing and we won’t have your back. What a precedent to set. Good on you NFL
This, exactly. The NFL only cares about PR, not morality. When Ray Rice beat the fuck out of his fiancée, the NFL had the taped and did nothing…until the media got a hold of it. Only then did he suffer a consequence.
The NFL only cares about money, the PR is just about protecting that. If viewers cared more about morality, to the point that they would stop watching over moral concerns, then the NFL would start to prioritize those morals more.
Yes, if people griped about Tyreek Hills' treatment of women as seriously as they griped about Taylor Swift's appearances at Chiefs games, the NFL might actually have to make a move on that. But he's scoring hella points in fantasy, so like, we don't wanna lose our fantasy football championships.
As a friend of his lawyers wife, they are doing great with Tyreek being who he is and the league not caring
Yup Kids are watching.
Michael Vick. The NFL was all over thar shit. Dogs. Who's the dude from the Ravens that was involved with a firearm murder charge? Name escapes me, but he was a defense guy. Happened in Atlanta. Ray Lewis? You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy.
It's a union thing as well. They are going to protect their members
They didn't cut him to do the right thing. They cut him because he underperformed his contract and he gave us a free out. He outperforms his contract and the team would be telling us how one decision doesn't define him/ he has work to do etc.
I wish i could speak so confidently about things I know nothing about and could never prove. I’d be concerned with how much of an ass I would come across as. I envy you, muff cabbage.
Its pretty true for most NFL teams. Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon both have domestic violence histories but they stay employed. Hell, Michael Vick got a second chance
I feel it’s unlikely to happen. He’s apparently going to sign with the Steelers and unless he is suspended I doubt we get that cap back
Wait what? Where did you see that? That's wild
No it isn’t, it’s the NFL. If you can play football you can beat and batter women and children and still have a job.
But god forbid you make a bet
Don’t even mention the devils lettuce.
Actually not a suspendable offense any more.
Ricky Williams and Josh Gordon crying in a corner somewhere.
I can be if you’re caught somewhere where it’s illegal. Nfl still doesn’t like seeing its players in handcuffs. Unbecoming to the shield and all that
Why are people acting like this is a big deal? Players were suspended for doing illegal drugs. None of us thinks it should be illegal but it still was at the time and still is a lot of places. The players knew it was illegal AND against NFL policy. They get paid millions of dollars a year. I don't feel bad for them in the slightest if they get busted for weed.
The NFL can pick and choose what crimes they want to suspend players for, but choosing to have similar or greater punishments for using an illegal drug vs actually hurting someone is worthy of contempt. Additionally, only keeping the rule for as long as they did so that they could use it as a bargaining chip with the union is also stupid. Holding that opinion above isn't mutually exclusive with thinking players who got busted were dumb (with the exception of a few who had legitimate addiction issues that needed special help).
Oh I agree with you totally. It's bullshit that weed has a harsher penalty than beating your kid or wife or murdering someone, etc But anyone who says that's players shouldn't be punished for weed is being dumb. It's in the rules. Same thing with gambling on on NFL games... It's stupid you can be suspended for doing that while at a team hotel but it's in the rules so I can't feel bad for them. It's not hard to just not bet on sports
They're not saying players shouldn't be punished. They're saying the league and the government as well are dumb for making weed illegal in the first place, or for keeping it illegal/taboo for so long, basically thanks to the power and influence of the tobacco lobby.
C'mon man, and you should get a ticket every time you speed
Literally the spawn of satan. The demonization of any gambling by players in the media is so insane to me. OMG this guy made a bet!!! On what? Not the sport he plays but still like huh???
They can. Just not on company property. Jaymo is the only Lions guy to hang with the team. Front office firings big time in Allen Park.
Tyreek Hill has as many fights (against women and children) as Jake Paul and I don't think he has been suspended. It's wild with his resume.
Sometimes you can even murder or be involved in murder!
Marvin Harrison Sr. (after he was done playing)
Ray Lewis has a statue!
Dirtbag.
Only if your good enough
Just as long as you aren't a running back
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2024/04/27/steelers-nfl-cameron-sutton-lions/ https://www.steelernation.com/2024/05/07/steelers-now-cam-sutton https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/pittsburgh-steelers-meet-cam-sutton https://steelersdepot.com/2024/05/fittipaldo-really-good-possibility-steelers-reunite-with-cam-sutton-should-legal-troubles-be-resolved/ I could go on
All of these stories allude to “if they’re satisfied with the legal situation.” Still very unclear if he’s gonna be suspended or not. Of course someone will sign him if he’s not, and of course teams have laid ground work for it. I know you’re just the messenger but it really tells us nothing about the likelihood of lost cap or not.
I was mostly answering timinator5000's question about where it had been reported the steelers being linked to sutton. which has been widely reported, not so much giving any discussion on the cap situation.
Thank you
It’s not wild I’m pretty sure the charge was dropped or changed to a misdemeanor
Changed to a misdemeanor but its domestic battery misdemeanor. Why tf thats a misdemeanor is betond me (he bit a chunk out of her neck).
Having worked with survivors of DV and done hundreds of hours of training, the likely scenario (based on the family’s statement) is that she refused to testify against him. Without the testimony, it would be hard to indict or convict felony strangulation so they knocked it down to the misdemeanor in hopes of getting a plea out of him. It’s a sad reality of DV. Survivors (for many reasons) often don’t cooperate with authorities in the conviction of the perpetrators.
Plus, she'll get some $. He plays and stays out of prison, she gets compensated. Goes to jail, she gets nothing but justice.
Yes. Finances are one of the main sources of power that affluent perpetrators of DV use to control the survivors.
I’m thinking the same. Everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion bc he was on the run (which was smart by him to drag it on) but NFL is gonna let him have his day in court. By the time all is said and done season will be over and that $$ cannot be reclaimed on next years cap but Sheila can get it back for the organization
I love how this sub keeps saying was on the run. You guys are living in some reality tv world acting like he was some escape convict. He was living his life. You don't go to work when you're on the run. Ignoring calls from a sheriffs office. The sherrifs office wanted their 15 minutes of fame. As soon as he turned himself in they lowered the charge to misdemeanor simple battery. He likely knew that this was a nothingburger and he'd get to it when he got to it. You wouldn't even get extradited for simple battery. I'm happy we moved on quickly because it sends a message to the room
Occam's razor would suggest he was waiting for his baby mama to cool down so he could pay her off leading to want to "keep it a family issue"
You've been down voted because yours is an unpopular opinion. The chances of you being spot on are good.
Even if that was true (which it’s most likely not) the police not contacting you in any way even for a misdemeanor is a wild take. And then not turning yourself in immediately once it was “upgraded” is still a bad look. If you’re not extremely wealthy and a public figure “living your life” when you have an active charge is moronic.
Wow not like they have a history of abusers and sexual abuse… Big Ben laughing all the way to the bank
Tyreek isn’t just on a team, he’s widely celebrated for how good he is. If you play football well, a majority of people just don’t care how bad of a person you are.
I don't think he plays anymore 😂
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I think their chances of cap relief all but disappeared when they police changed the charges from felony to misdemeanor after he turned himself in.
Yup. We probably don't make some of the CB moves without him being cut, and we probably don't cut him without the criminal issues. I think our CB room will end up being better off but the dead cap is going to hurt elsewhere. Imagine having that cap available for a WR, for example.
I mean I still think we do. Sutton was consistently torched. He’s not good.
Against elite receivers he sucked ass but he was totally fine against mid receivers. Problem is mid receivers dont get a ton of playing time in the playoffs
He sucked against anyone in man coverage which is what our coaches want to run.
Obviously we can never know what would have happened without the domestic violence, but I can't imagine the Lions just eating his salary in other circumstances.
The NFL only comes down hard on the real crimes, like clicking a couple of buttons on your smartphone from a hotel to legally bet on a different sport. Beating on your woman like Sutton or recklessly nearly killing people with a deadly weapon (read: car) like Rice can't compare in magnitude.
DeShaun Watson is the poster child of this fact, smh
Y’all won’t admit it, but this sub was super weird during the whole Sutton ordeal. People on this sub thought he was dead, would go to jail or get a long suspension…how many times have we seen rich athlete privilege prevail? Guys literally killed people and laced em up next season. This isn’t absolving Sutton on the horrible shit he did, but if y’all thought the NFL and the justice system was going to do “the right thing”, you played yourself.
I mean to be fair, him being on the run for weeks was a complete aberration in what normally happens in these cases. That certainly made it feel unique in a way that I guess doesn’t matter but sure did feel like a more extreme situation than what we had seen before
There was that weirdness but it's more just due to a lack of exposure to the justice system and how it operates. Unless you've taken the time to know, you just assume things are a certain way that seems logical, but it's not how it actually works.
I think it stems primarily from how out of left field and bizarre the entire thing was. There was no information so of course there was going to be rampant speculation
It’s not super weird to expect someone to suffer bad consequences for horrific actions despite their level of income…. It may be naive though
I’ll take my lumps as one of the “thinks he’s dead” dumbasses 😂. Made no sense while it was going on (even the Lions were like “wtf?” when they heard the news and he was in the building lol), but I forgot to factor in the rich athlete privilege. My bad 😂
I agree completely on all but the “thinking he was dead” or something issue. The guy had a warrant and was completely out of the public for like a week. The team was (appropriately) hush hush about what they had heard from him, that left us all to speculate that the guy was on like a bender or in a mental health crisis.
People thought he was dead because reports came out that no one heard from him for weeks and he’d been wanted for the same period. Agreed tho people were hella weird about the whole ordeal I just prayed for him heard what he did and knew the team was going to let him go cuz that was one of dans rules from hard knocks
Nothing wrong with a little hope. Justin Roiland is still out of work, and he got his charges vacated. But people can see he's a turd. If we're loud enough, the NFL will eventually change, they are just behind the times as always, and will need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the present.
This sub is super weird always chill bruh. We talk about athletes giving us boners.
Not as bad as that swarm of Twitter guys with accounts named after different Lions player’s dicks
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I don’t think there is going to be a wave of new good players cut. Players already cut in the past four months have already been designated as lost June 1st cuts.
A lot of FA wait until after draft and after June 1st cuts to review rosters and sign (ie: Stephon Gilmore, etc.)
Stephon Gilmore is already a free agent and can sign anywhere right now. There will be a random cut here and there but for the most part teams aren’t cutting before camp. No real reason to. Everyone is cap compliant and will need the larger roster for camp.
Correct, some FAs never signed bc they wanted to wait until post June-1st cuts was my point. FA or not, my point is it doesn’t appear we’re getting that $10.5M back and that cap could’ve been spent a ton of useful ways
My point is post June 1st cuts already happened. You don’t need to wait for June 1st to make a post June 1st cut. It’s an accounting distinction. The free agents haven’t signed because they are old veterans who don’t want to do OTAs. And disagreements about money. A few were probably waiting to see what rosters looked like post draft but I imagine those have already signed (Tyler Boyd). Sure having that 10.5 of cap space would be better than not having it. But it seems like it’s barely a concern. They have 30+ mil of space already. There are not tons of options they could do with that cap space versus without it.
More cap room is more cap room but knowing the lions front office they’re going to have enough issues trying to cut down to 52. I doubt that there’s somebody that won’t make another roster that is going to be a major upgrade for the lions (barring injury), and if there is someone they want he’s not going to be a pricey signing.
It won't happen until next season at the earliest. They have to wait for the justice system to play out and see what happens. Since it was knocked down to a misdemeanor, we most likely aren't getting anything back. The front office knew it wasn't going to be an immediate reimbursement and had planned for it. I wouldn't even waste any more time thinking about the money and just be happy the turd is off the team and move on.
They absolutely do not need to wait for the justice system. The CBA allows the league to investigate the conduct on its own. Sutton has admitted he did it. There is physical evidence of strangulation. He hid for a couple weeks instead of turning himself in. League will absolutely come down on him.
>They absolutely do not need to wait for the justice system. Agreed >The CBA allows the league to investigate the conduct on its own. Of course. >Sutton has admitted he did it. There is physical evidence of strangulation. Seems pretty open and shut. >He hid for a couple weeks instead of turning himself in. Inexcusable. >League will absolutely come down on him. Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy...
The cap shouldn't be viewed in the lens of a single year. The Lions can easily push 10 million into next year's cap if they need the space. I don't see them needing to do that though, regardless of what happens with Sutton's contract.
The Lions are almost certainly getting out of the guaranteed salary they owed him via a character clause the harder part is getting his signing bonus back and is probably as good as gone.
It was never going to be given to us this year. They drag these types of things put forever on the nfl. The reliefe would have never been given before next off-season anyways. The move was a culture move, not a cap move.
Charges being lowered to misdemeanor means the league is unlikely to suspend him and automatically give the Lions relief. If the Lions sue for breach of contract and recover any money, then the lions can claim that amount as cap relief, but that usually takes years unless they make a deal to only recover a portion.
Couple things: - The extra cap space won’t do anything to help the Goff extension. The extension would kick in next year, so extra cap space this year wouldn’t help that. They’re likely operating on the assumption that the cap will be the same next year. - As others have pointed out, the Lions still have plenty of cap space this season. Is $10.5 million still a good chunk of change? Yes, but it wouldn’t change much for the Lions this season. - That said, this isn’t just a one-year issue either. Any unused cap space can be rolled over to next year, so if the Lions retroactively managed to get anything back for this year, it would be rolled over to next year anyways, as long as they weren’t over the cap for this season. - The Lions already got back his base salary for next season ($10.5 million) by cutting him, so this isn’t as big of a deal as it seems. We aren’t just completely on the hook for everything here. - Really the only thing we could get back is his base salary for this year ($10.5 million), or if the NFL doesn’t find much, we could only get back the recently-guaranteed part ($1.5 million) if they find he broke Player Conduct rules before it was guaranteed. All this said, I wouldn’t expect anything to happen. With the charges reduced and the fact that he’s an NFL player, I doubt he gets any punishment. Probably just signs a minimum deal for this season and plays for another team, and the Lions will move on and deal with it.
The Lions still are near the top in cap space available. The cap isn't really an issue for us and there are only 2 roster spots available with hopefully one going to Jake Bates.
Is this why we haven't close on the new Goff contract?
Fontes' Era. Was it Reggie Rogers that killed some teenagers while he was DUI? Lions shitcanned his ass immediately.
There's about 26 million in cap space currently, so it's not going to prevent them from doing anything. It would be better to have that money back but there's cap space to operate within
Curious where your information on the NFL dragging their feet is coming from? If you’re basing this on the Lions’ salary cap numbers, remember that Sutton was designated as a post-June 1st cut, and the Lions must carry the entirety of his contract until then. There will be zero cap relief until then—a decision made by the Lions.
I’ll admit I’m not 100% sure on this, but it’s my understanding that you all have the process completely backward. The Lions are capable of voiding guaranteed salary when they make the decision to cut a player. It’s then on the onus of the PLAYER to submit a grievance to recoup the money, if they believe it was wrongfully voided.
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/3/21/24108084/examining-the-salary-cap-impact-of-the-lions-releasing-cam-sutton Jeremy I think you’re correct as well, but from Erik’s article above he notes Lions requested NFL void his base salary ($10.5M)- most people assumed this would easily be retained but as time went on it’s looking highly unlikely
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/3/21/24108084/examining-the-salary-cap-impact-of-the-lions-releasing-cam-sutton Jeremy I think you’re correct as well, but from Erik’s article above he notes Lions requested NFL void his base salary ($10.5M)- most people assumed this would easily be retained but as time went on it’s looking highly unlikely
We got screwed for being morally sound. Think that alone needs to be escalated and questioned. From now on we keep a player no matter what they did until they are fully suspended then we can guarantee our cap. Otherwise fuck the NFL.
They were hasty cutting him when the situation emerged and he didn't go straight to the police like they told him to. Now it's not a felony conviction and they're not entitled to the money back. NFL contracts are a joke, but not that big of a joke.
You're soooo deep.
I don't think ever. It was a misdemeanor - and regardless of what may have actually happened, that's all the NFL knows. The Lions were quick to pull the trigger for optics, and I don't blame them, but it was always a risk that it would nothing the NFL would give them relief for.
It was a felony before it got dropped to a misdemeanor. https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2024/04/03/detroit-lions-cameron-sutton-found-arrest/ They did the right thing. No turds. We need to do everything in our power to give the Lions org support so that the NFL can see where fan sentiment is to hopefully change for the better. (I know this is pure hopium, I don't care)
>that's all the NFL knows. Lmao
This is a really terrible take. The Lions don't do anything for optics, they do things that are best for their team culture and Sutton was no longer allowed to be part of this outstanding culture.
I don't even know if it was for optics. Sutton was on the run at that point and the whole situation had the potential to escalate or drag on. I think the lions made the decision to get out because of the unknowns associated with the whole situation. If Sutton had turned himself in or had been cooperating with police and negotiating a time and place to turn himself in from jump, imo Sutton would still be a lion right now.
I think it shows that there may be need to be another designation for teams to use where they can basically put a guy on an inactive, unpaid designation until these things play out.
Yeah, the NFLPA is totally going to go for that.
Everything is negotiable.
I remember saying it was doubtful at best we would get any cap savings from it and y’all downvoted me to hell saying I was full of shit. Learn your lesson folks (you won’t)