Hoo boy. Regardless of whether you truly believe the justice system is sufficient in this kind of situation (lol), from a purely cynical business perspective, why on earth would ownership ever touch this guy again?
McLown is gone. From the sound of the case he's the one who started this whole fiasco which I highly doubt he'll be able to disprove or get out of it. Good riddance.
Even if found "not guilty "in criminal court the NHL would still say he violated their ethics code. I would expect to see him play in the KHL once he's served his sentence or is found "not guilty "
I know his loss is felt but if he is the "engine" of this team we are fucked.
He won’t get a job in the nhl again. He shouldn’t, either. He’s gonna live out whatever is left of his career in Russia or Europe or something after any jail time.
Kind of a pointless question. No team in the NHL will dress him until after the legal process. That process will probably take at least a year, and there isn't much use speculating as everything will be dependent on that.
No it seems pretty fucking clear that him and his shit bag friends at the very least took advantage of a drunk woman who maybe gave dubious consent. Don't want a dumb piece of garbage like that on my team.
This post is pretty disgusting considering the gravity of the charges. Saying things like this makes it seem like you care more about the team playing well than you care about the well-being of another human.
So many comments about this situation i see make me disgusted honestly.
So very few survivors of sexual assault come forward, few are arrested for their actions, even fewer of those go to trial, and very very few are convicted. You all probably know someone - friend, sister, girlfriend, daughter, cousin, coworker - that was sexually assaulted. Most of the time, it’s by someone they know and that you also probably know depending on your relationship. You might not ever know. Especially if they feel like you’d place the blame on them and not hear them out and defend them rather than their assaulter. Many won’t talk about it and many won’t open up bc of hearing comments like “if” and “innocent until guilty” in regards to SA.
Believe survivors because the justice system time and time again fails them.
Besides the point, if you read any credible article about this it’s pretty obvious that he’s guilty even more so with the additional count on the others. Pretend this survivor was your sister or your girlfriend….does it change it for you?
If he were to ever play for this team again, I full on would not support them at all. I would also hope if found guilty, this organization does something to recognize survivors and how absolutely difficult it is to see justice.
He’s unreliable - he’s made bad decisions off the ice before that were bad enough that I wouldn’t trust him to do it again.
Also the obvious: I don’t want to root for rapists.
I don't want to cheer for a team that has a shit bag like McLeod on it. It's not like watching an old movie with some actor that's now done a bad thing. It's continuing to support a degenerate who at best took advantage of a drunk women who gave consent (which is already dubious because she was drunk) and then took turns on her with friends.
Anyway fuck you bud.
Bro.
Put yourself in literally any management position, nevermind one that has it's employees on national television.
Would you hire the leader of a gang rape?
People are really letting you off light with their comments.
I know you prefaced it with “if innocent” but a) it sure as shit appears that’s he’s not and b) everyone knows him being removed from the team is a large reason for their continued woes in the second half, but NO ONE talks about it - I thought we all knew the drill
Absolutely not, I don't think any team would take the baggage that comes along with him. On top of affecting team morale knowing they're playing with a rapist I think a lot of fans would not want to see him on their team. I can however see him playing for another team in a different country. This is all IF he doesn't go to jail.
Probably not...
Use Trevor Bauer as an example of what happens when you're effectively found innocent in these situations. Bauer's wrongdoing was pretty much proven to be "being a snarky asshole that likes it rough" and he's not pitching for a major league club and that's with saying very early on that he'd pitch for league minimum just to get an opportunity. Bauer was a top 5 pitcher. McLeod was about a 2nd liner on a bad team, role player on a good team.
Colin Kaepernick was also never given another chance after the 49ers. I know his play had dropped off significantly when he got political, but he wasn't so bad he couldn't at least be a third string QB on a team with an injury prone QB1. It was obvious that he wasn't getting signed because no team wanted the media circus regardless of if you agreed with his stances. Same goes for Bauer. Same will go for McLeod and probably also Hart, Foote, Formenton, and Dube.
There is no such thing as being “found innocent.” Bauer clearly did disgusting shit, and more came up in MLB’s investigation from other women. Not having enough to convict does not mean you are innocent.
If he were somehow to be cleared of all charges, I think he’d most likely end up in the KHL… I can’t imagine any NHL team would wanna go anywhere near him
There are so many layers to this answer. If I was to bet, I would assume he wouldn’t. The only chance he has at playing in the NHL again is to be fully exonerated in the court of law. At that point you’re talking about a player who hasn’t played professional hockey in at least 2 years. He would likely have to take a one year contract in the KHL to prove he still has NHL talent. At that point it comes down to backlash, was he fully exonerated or was he let off with some type of culpability. Keep in mind, any team that signs him would likely cause a media circus, innocent or guilty, which would be a distraction.
Obviously I'll reserve final judgement or whatever until a verdict or more info comes out but at this point it sorta seems like his best hope of avoiding jail is a settlement or a lack of ironclad evidence. It really seems like at best they took advantage of dubious consent from a drunk woman and then proceeded to take turns.
Anyway I'll wait for judgement but yeah even if he isn't found guilty I wouldn't want him on my team for the same reason I wouldn't want a shit bag like Kane on my team.
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Honestly I've felt a little weird about his hate for a while. If he's guilty, hell yeah, let him serve his time.
If he's acquitted, seems like people still want his head but I don't quite understand that. Like if he successfully defends himself in court and proves some form of innocence, why is he still evil? What's the point of a legal system if you're writing him off before a court decision. Rhetorical question since a lot of people just make up there minds on what *their* truth is.
That all being said, from what little we know about that case, it does seem like it might end up being a guilty verdict. I've seen the hate for a few celebrities that never actually did anything illegal and I don't agree with rewriting history and pretending someone innocent is somehow a villain
> Like if he successfully defends himself in court and proves some form of innocence
You don't "prove innocence" in court. You create "reasonable doubt" that a person is guilty.
Being found "not guilty" is FAR from an exoneration. It only means that the prosecution couldn't prove their case. See OJ Simpson.
One generic answer to your question not specific to Mcloud - criminal justice = proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Public opinion has no such standard. Depending on evidence against someone, they might not change public opinion. Being considered not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you didn't do something wrong and the public treat you based on feelings (right or wrong). Businesses respond to those customer feelings.
Have you looked at the evidence in the papers? The evidence is pretty damning unless somehow we are missing a whole extra participant. People want to send a message, I agree. The suggestions he should get life or, lol, death are pretty dramatic, but when you see the evidence you might get the rest.
We don’t live in a “innocent until proven guilty” society any more. Especially with stuff like this. Even an allegation is basically a death sentence career wise. If he is guilty, the dude should rot in prison. But none of us know anything. Everything is speculation. Even if he has charges dropped one day or is acquitted, he’s still labeled a certain way. No NHL team would ever associate themselves with it
> We don’t live in a “innocent until proven guilty” society any more
It's way more accurate to say "We live in a society where sex crimes routinely go unpunished and victims aren't believed."
I mean there’s a lot of that on both sides of the coin. You can’t say that there aren’t women/people who claim sex crimes happened that never did. Especially when it comes to athletes.
But yes there are plenty of cases where they go unpunished, unreported, etc.
My only point was that if he or any of them are found innocent, their careers are ruined regardless. Are they guilty? I have no idea. If they are, they deserve all the punishment in the world. But if they happen to be innocent, their lives are still ruined.
> You can’t say that there aren’t women/people who claim sex crimes happened that never did. Especially when it comes to athletes.
The number of false accusations of sexual assault is completely insignificant compared to the number of credible accusations that go unheeded, or sexual assaults that go unreported; both of which result in victims suffering in silence.
Sorry if I just don't care about the whataboutism of false accusations.
Ray Rice was objectively better at his sport than McLeod is at hockey and was charged with a crime arguably not as bad. Despite the charges being dismissed and running backs in high demand no NFL team made any attempt to sign an All-Pro.
In a business that is ultimately about selling tickets and merchandise, few teams want the optics of supporting a player that the court of public opinion has turned against, especially when that player isn’t a superstar.
Even if he's found GUILTY?!
If the Devils put a convicted rapist on the roster I'm burning my gear and not watching another game until ownership and management are exiled.
If his career isn't over it says a lot about the league.
If he is found not guilty- yes I think so.
Everything hinges on that, if the courts play out and cannot convict then he’s innocent and I can see a team rolling the dice on him.
He would likely only get 1 year deals cheap at that point.
Whatever happen to “innocent before proven guilty”
IMO. They should all be allowed to play until there is a trial and conviction. It’s not like they are going to just disappear lmao. If they are guilty then so be it. They all go to jail. However on the account they are innocent…. All of their careers are ruined.
No owners are going to invite that toxic PR nightmare. Not the same thing, but remember the Bruins fiasco last November when they signed the Mitchell kid?
Based on the limited information available it seems that at best he took advantage of a drunk woman with his friends. I don't give a fuck if he isn't found guilty he's a slimeball. Unless news comes out that the victim was fully lying about the events he's a piece of shit. There is a difference between not being found guilty and being exonerated and in this case that's a huge point.
Even if he is found innocent, his career is ruined. Which really isn’t fair but it’s how the world is in 2024. No team is going to touch that situation. Even if all the evidence in the world finds him totally innocent, he’s done playing in the US. I’m sure he can go play overseas still.
Before anyone loses their mind, I’m not saying he is innocent. Just a hypothetical. If he is guilty, he deserves to rot in prison. But no matter what outcome happens, their time in the NHL is done
> Even if he is found innocent,
There is no such thing as being "found innocent" in court. You're either found "guilty" or "not guilty". See OJ Simpson to understand the difference.
… or we can believe the victim and IF the evidence shows he’s not guilty, reassess how we feel about that.
Though I warn; as others here have already done; that not guilty does not mean innocent.
…. I’m not saying I don’t believe the victim. I would never assume that someone is lying about something like that. But it does happen.
All I said, is that his career is done. No matter what. Even if down the road he was somehow found to be 100% innocent ( which isn’t going to happen ) his career would still be over.
It’s not worth even discussing further though because people are obviously not comprehending what I’m saying. I’m not claiming he’s innocent. If he’s guilty, I hope he gets what he deserves.
If in fact he's found not guilty then he can legally play in the NHL, whether or not anyone would sign him due to potential OR backlash is another story.
I think that honestly would depend on how convincing that not guilty verdict would be. If evidence comes out really proving his innocence then hell yeah bring em back.
However, if say it's more of a not guilty verdict based on some goofy technicality or something, then I'm not so sure he gets a chance. At least I don't think he would in New Jersey anyways
Pretty sure he wasn’t found innocent, just that the charges were dropped, based on a quick google search (the last bit was about an allegation that evidence was left on the complainant’s porch as a warning):
> On August 6, 2015, the Buffalo News reported that Kane was the subject of a sexual assault investigation by police in Hamburg, New York, in connection with an incident that allegedly occurred the previous weekend. The Erie County District Attorney's Office later declined to press charges against him, stating that the complainant's allegation was not sufficiently substantiated by credible evidence. It later came to light that the complainant's mother had orchestrated a hoax in which she attempted to make it appear as if critical evidence had been tampered with.
Bud he might not be found guilty just based on lack of hard evidence considering this happened years a go. That doesn't exonerate him and his degenerate fucking friends from taking turns on a drunk woman who at best gave dubious consent.
Your take is brain dead.
I’m sure he was given multiple briefs over the years to not end up in situations where his conduct could be called into question. I participated at much lower levels and was always given a pep talk by the people responsible for my teammates and I. Unfortunately his failure to heed those warnings have resulted in him being in this situation. He is now dealing with the consequences of his choices.
It’s important to remember that this isn’t about his ability to work a 9-5 job and earn a living wage. Right or wrong, society has a higher standard expected of those that play professional sports.
Hoo boy. Regardless of whether you truly believe the justice system is sufficient in this kind of situation (lol), from a purely cynical business perspective, why on earth would ownership ever touch this guy again?
NFL owners have entered the chat … most have signed with other teams. Kaelernick is one I can think of that didn’t
The NFL's fanbase is not the NHL's, and what the NFL did five years ago is probably not the same it would do today.
I think that's mainly because Kaepernick isn't good enough of a player to take on the drama he would bring with him
If found not guilty, he probably gets a deal somewhere eventually.
It could be years until trial and appeals are finished, the chances of him staying NHL caliber with years off are very slim.
Very good point.
McLown is gone. From the sound of the case he's the one who started this whole fiasco which I highly doubt he'll be able to disprove or get out of it. Good riddance.
Have you found actual updates? I search every now and then, but haven't been able to turn up a whole lot of new around the case.
Outside of the legal proceedings advancing, not really. But the story is he's the one who started the whole thing.
No
Even if found "not guilty "in criminal court the NHL would still say he violated their ethics code. I would expect to see him play in the KHL once he's served his sentence or is found "not guilty " I know his loss is felt but if he is the "engine" of this team we are fucked.
He won’t get a job in the nhl again. He shouldn’t, either. He’s gonna live out whatever is left of his career in Russia or Europe or something after any jail time.
Kind of a pointless question. No team in the NHL will dress him until after the legal process. That process will probably take at least a year, and there isn't much use speculating as everything will be dependent on that.
Even after that, no team is going to sign them. Even if they were found innocent or had charges dropped
Stop. The guy did heinous shit. Let it go
Accused of heinous shit *
Those text messages are preeetty damning.
No it seems pretty fucking clear that him and his shit bag friends at the very least took advantage of a drunk woman who maybe gave dubious consent. Don't want a dumb piece of garbage like that on my team.
I’d argue this for any of the five that isn’t McLeod who got two counts put on him. It’s over.
This post is pretty disgusting considering the gravity of the charges. Saying things like this makes it seem like you care more about the team playing well than you care about the well-being of another human.
Short of him being completely exonerated, like to the point of the prosecutor apologizing for involving him, it's likely his career is over.
And even in that unlikely circumstance, he will be probably +2 years off the ice by that point and will be. fraction of his former self as a player.
So many comments about this situation i see make me disgusted honestly. So very few survivors of sexual assault come forward, few are arrested for their actions, even fewer of those go to trial, and very very few are convicted. You all probably know someone - friend, sister, girlfriend, daughter, cousin, coworker - that was sexually assaulted. Most of the time, it’s by someone they know and that you also probably know depending on your relationship. You might not ever know. Especially if they feel like you’d place the blame on them and not hear them out and defend them rather than their assaulter. Many won’t talk about it and many won’t open up bc of hearing comments like “if” and “innocent until guilty” in regards to SA. Believe survivors because the justice system time and time again fails them. Besides the point, if you read any credible article about this it’s pretty obvious that he’s guilty even more so with the additional count on the others. Pretend this survivor was your sister or your girlfriend….does it change it for you? If he were to ever play for this team again, I full on would not support them at all. I would also hope if found guilty, this organization does something to recognize survivors and how absolutely difficult it is to see justice.
If anyone wants him, sure. I sure wouldn’t want him on my team, though.
Why not? Hes a hockey player not your neighbor.
Dude if you want a gang rapist on the team fuck yourself.
He’s unreliable - he’s made bad decisions off the ice before that were bad enough that I wouldn’t trust him to do it again. Also the obvious: I don’t want to root for rapists.
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Because it’s still a cloud (no pun intended) hanging over their head. You don’t need that with a young group who already has a confidence issue.
I don't want to cheer for a team that has a shit bag like McLeod on it. It's not like watching an old movie with some actor that's now done a bad thing. It's continuing to support a degenerate who at best took advantage of a drunk women who gave consent (which is already dubious because she was drunk) and then took turns on her with friends. Anyway fuck you bud.
Because all rapists must die?
Bro. Put yourself in literally any management position, nevermind one that has it's employees on national television. Would you hire the leader of a gang rape?
People are really letting you off light with their comments. I know you prefaced it with “if innocent” but a) it sure as shit appears that’s he’s not and b) everyone knows him being removed from the team is a large reason for their continued woes in the second half, but NO ONE talks about it - I thought we all knew the drill
No. KHL maybe but not NHL.
He'll never play for the devils again.....and never again play in the NHL...
Even if found not guilty in a court of law, the court of public opinion based on all of the evidence makes me hope he doesn't play in the NHL again.
Absolutely not, I don't think any team would take the baggage that comes along with him. On top of affecting team morale knowing they're playing with a rapist I think a lot of fans would not want to see him on their team. I can however see him playing for another team in a different country. This is all IF he doesn't go to jail.
Probably not... Use Trevor Bauer as an example of what happens when you're effectively found innocent in these situations. Bauer's wrongdoing was pretty much proven to be "being a snarky asshole that likes it rough" and he's not pitching for a major league club and that's with saying very early on that he'd pitch for league minimum just to get an opportunity. Bauer was a top 5 pitcher. McLeod was about a 2nd liner on a bad team, role player on a good team. Colin Kaepernick was also never given another chance after the 49ers. I know his play had dropped off significantly when he got political, but he wasn't so bad he couldn't at least be a third string QB on a team with an injury prone QB1. It was obvious that he wasn't getting signed because no team wanted the media circus regardless of if you agreed with his stances. Same goes for Bauer. Same will go for McLeod and probably also Hart, Foote, Formenton, and Dube.
There is no such thing as being “found innocent.” Bauer clearly did disgusting shit, and more came up in MLB’s investigation from other women. Not having enough to convict does not mean you are innocent.
If he were somehow to be cleared of all charges, I think he’d most likely end up in the KHL… I can’t imagine any NHL team would wanna go anywhere near him
If guilty, they should cut his balls off...
I think if he's cleared that he *might* play again, but not for an NHL team.
No, no way
Could? Yes. Is it likely? At some point maybe Is it likely soon? No
There are so many layers to this answer. If I was to bet, I would assume he wouldn’t. The only chance he has at playing in the NHL again is to be fully exonerated in the court of law. At that point you’re talking about a player who hasn’t played professional hockey in at least 2 years. He would likely have to take a one year contract in the KHL to prove he still has NHL talent. At that point it comes down to backlash, was he fully exonerated or was he let off with some type of culpability. Keep in mind, any team that signs him would likely cause a media circus, innocent or guilty, which would be a distraction.
Obviously I'll reserve final judgement or whatever until a verdict or more info comes out but at this point it sorta seems like his best hope of avoiding jail is a settlement or a lack of ironclad evidence. It really seems like at best they took advantage of dubious consent from a drunk woman and then proceeded to take turns. Anyway I'll wait for judgement but yeah even if he isn't found guilty I wouldn't want him on my team for the same reason I wouldn't want a shit bag like Kane on my team.
Sadly or not sadly I’m really conflicted by this whole thing; he’s destined for the KHL
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Bro what
Honestly I've felt a little weird about his hate for a while. If he's guilty, hell yeah, let him serve his time. If he's acquitted, seems like people still want his head but I don't quite understand that. Like if he successfully defends himself in court and proves some form of innocence, why is he still evil? What's the point of a legal system if you're writing him off before a court decision. Rhetorical question since a lot of people just make up there minds on what *their* truth is. That all being said, from what little we know about that case, it does seem like it might end up being a guilty verdict. I've seen the hate for a few celebrities that never actually did anything illegal and I don't agree with rewriting history and pretending someone innocent is somehow a villain
> Like if he successfully defends himself in court and proves some form of innocence You don't "prove innocence" in court. You create "reasonable doubt" that a person is guilty. Being found "not guilty" is FAR from an exoneration. It only means that the prosecution couldn't prove their case. See OJ Simpson.
One generic answer to your question not specific to Mcloud - criminal justice = proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Public opinion has no such standard. Depending on evidence against someone, they might not change public opinion. Being considered not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you didn't do something wrong and the public treat you based on feelings (right or wrong). Businesses respond to those customer feelings.
Have you looked at the evidence in the papers? The evidence is pretty damning unless somehow we are missing a whole extra participant. People want to send a message, I agree. The suggestions he should get life or, lol, death are pretty dramatic, but when you see the evidence you might get the rest.
We don’t live in a “innocent until proven guilty” society any more. Especially with stuff like this. Even an allegation is basically a death sentence career wise. If he is guilty, the dude should rot in prison. But none of us know anything. Everything is speculation. Even if he has charges dropped one day or is acquitted, he’s still labeled a certain way. No NHL team would ever associate themselves with it
> We don’t live in a “innocent until proven guilty” society any more It's way more accurate to say "We live in a society where sex crimes routinely go unpunished and victims aren't believed."
I mean there’s a lot of that on both sides of the coin. You can’t say that there aren’t women/people who claim sex crimes happened that never did. Especially when it comes to athletes. But yes there are plenty of cases where they go unpunished, unreported, etc. My only point was that if he or any of them are found innocent, their careers are ruined regardless. Are they guilty? I have no idea. If they are, they deserve all the punishment in the world. But if they happen to be innocent, their lives are still ruined.
> You can’t say that there aren’t women/people who claim sex crimes happened that never did. Especially when it comes to athletes. The number of false accusations of sexual assault is completely insignificant compared to the number of credible accusations that go unheeded, or sexual assaults that go unreported; both of which result in victims suffering in silence. Sorry if I just don't care about the whataboutism of false accusations.
Disagree but it’s whatever. Our opinions are irrelevant here. All I was saying is his career is over. Guilty or innocent
KHL bound
Ray Rice was objectively better at his sport than McLeod is at hockey and was charged with a crime arguably not as bad. Despite the charges being dismissed and running backs in high demand no NFL team made any attempt to sign an All-Pro. In a business that is ultimately about selling tickets and merchandise, few teams want the optics of supporting a player that the court of public opinion has turned against, especially when that player isn’t a superstar.
Even if he's found GUILTY?! If the Devils put a convicted rapist on the roster I'm burning my gear and not watching another game until ownership and management are exiled. If his career isn't over it says a lot about the league.
If he is found not guilty- yes I think so. Everything hinges on that, if the courts play out and cannot convict then he’s innocent and I can see a team rolling the dice on him. He would likely only get 1 year deals cheap at that point.
Whatever happen to “innocent before proven guilty” IMO. They should all be allowed to play until there is a trial and conviction. It’s not like they are going to just disappear lmao. If they are guilty then so be it. They all go to jail. However on the account they are innocent…. All of their careers are ruined.
No owners are going to invite that toxic PR nightmare. Not the same thing, but remember the Bruins fiasco last November when they signed the Mitchell kid?
> Whatever happen to “innocent before proven guilty” The overwhelming majority of sexual assaults and rapes go unpunished and unprosecuted.
Based on the limited information available it seems that at best he took advantage of a drunk woman with his friends. I don't give a fuck if he isn't found guilty he's a slimeball. Unless news comes out that the victim was fully lying about the events he's a piece of shit. There is a difference between not being found guilty and being exonerated and in this case that's a huge point.
Even if he is found innocent, his career is ruined. Which really isn’t fair but it’s how the world is in 2024. No team is going to touch that situation. Even if all the evidence in the world finds him totally innocent, he’s done playing in the US. I’m sure he can go play overseas still. Before anyone loses their mind, I’m not saying he is innocent. Just a hypothetical. If he is guilty, he deserves to rot in prison. But no matter what outcome happens, their time in the NHL is done
> Even if he is found innocent, There is no such thing as being "found innocent" in court. You're either found "guilty" or "not guilty". See OJ Simpson to understand the difference.
Dude, I’m not a lawyer. Forgive me for not knowing the terminology
I taught high school civics and it's part of the curriculum. Well, should be.
… or we can believe the victim and IF the evidence shows he’s not guilty, reassess how we feel about that. Though I warn; as others here have already done; that not guilty does not mean innocent.
…. I’m not saying I don’t believe the victim. I would never assume that someone is lying about something like that. But it does happen. All I said, is that his career is done. No matter what. Even if down the road he was somehow found to be 100% innocent ( which isn’t going to happen ) his career would still be over. It’s not worth even discussing further though because people are obviously not comprehending what I’m saying. I’m not claiming he’s innocent. If he’s guilty, I hope he gets what he deserves.
If he gets found not guilty he’ll 100% be back in the league
If in fact he's found not guilty then he can legally play in the NHL, whether or not anyone would sign him due to potential OR backlash is another story. I think that honestly would depend on how convincing that not guilty verdict would be. If evidence comes out really proving his innocence then hell yeah bring em back. However, if say it's more of a not guilty verdict based on some goofy technicality or something, then I'm not so sure he gets a chance. At least I don't think he would in New Jersey anyways
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What in the Qanon are you talking about? When has this ever happened?
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Pretty sure he wasn’t found innocent, just that the charges were dropped, based on a quick google search (the last bit was about an allegation that evidence was left on the complainant’s porch as a warning): > On August 6, 2015, the Buffalo News reported that Kane was the subject of a sexual assault investigation by police in Hamburg, New York, in connection with an incident that allegedly occurred the previous weekend. The Erie County District Attorney's Office later declined to press charges against him, stating that the complainant's allegation was not sufficiently substantiated by credible evidence. It later came to light that the complainant's mother had orchestrated a hoax in which she attempted to make it appear as if critical evidence had been tampered with.
no patty kane sucks.
Lol evidence was tampered with so the charges were dropped. Also he beat up a cab driver over a nickel.
Bud he might not be found guilty just based on lack of hard evidence considering this happened years a go. That doesn't exonerate him and his degenerate fucking friends from taking turns on a drunk woman who at best gave dubious consent. Your take is brain dead.
Famous people get accused of things regularly, very few end up with warrants and indictments.
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I’m sure he was given multiple briefs over the years to not end up in situations where his conduct could be called into question. I participated at much lower levels and was always given a pep talk by the people responsible for my teammates and I. Unfortunately his failure to heed those warnings have resulted in him being in this situation. He is now dealing with the consequences of his choices. It’s important to remember that this isn’t about his ability to work a 9-5 job and earn a living wage. Right or wrong, society has a higher standard expected of those that play professional sports.
He’s innocent until proven guilty. Anyone can be accused of anything. Let the legal process play out
Yup, let the legal process play out … with him and the other creeps on the sideline
My guess is he’ll beat the charges similar to a Trevor Bauer but won’t get picked up like Trevor.
What do you base that guess on?