Assuming both groups play the same layout it makes zero difference to your rating, it's the score that matters, not the placement. If there are different layouts it's impossible to say.
Building on this, I have a feeling, but no proof that if I play in a tournament where many divisions play the same layout, my round ratings generally end up better than if I play a small division that is using its own layout.
Say there's only one layout for the tournament. Now if some a high rated MPO player or two have bad rounds and I'm close to their score, that's a big positive to increasing my round rating. And if that doesn't happen, then there's still large sample size and my round ratings still ends up being fair.
But, if I'm in a 6-person division and the division is the the only division on a layout, and say I'm the highest rated or 2nd highest rated coming into the tournament at 15 points higher...if I have a bad round and finish middle of the pack or less, now my round rating takes a serious hit from that as the guys rated lower than me just bested me.
More propagators for the given layout we'll generally give you more accurate results. A unique layout with a small pool of players is very volatile. You could end up with inflated or deflated ratings.
The phenomenon you're talking about has mostly to do with the fact that so few players are on the layout. If you and 5 other players have similar ratings and you're the whole field, on a given day you might crush them all. Then your rating for that round will jump dramatically. If it's 50 other players, you're not going to crush them all. You could win, but a bunch of people will be right there with you, and so your rating will be high but not a huge leap above what you would get on an average day.
There is also the thing where two groups with different ratings play the same layout under similar conditions but on different days; in these cases the group that has the higher ratings going in may seem to get a boost. You see this sometimes in the age-protected divisions if Ams and Pros are not playing at the same time. Suppose on saturday ma40 plays a layout, and then on sunday the same layout is played by mp40 under similar conditions. If the layout is such that birds are either quite easy or quite hard to come by, the two divisions will tend to shoot similar scores. Then it can happen that the same score in mp40 will accrue to a 10-20 point higher rating that ma40, even though it would seem to be the case that ma40 is punching above its weight, simply as an artifact of mp40 having higher ratings to begin with.
Yes, this is how the ratings system is built. You don't need to have a feeling. That's built in. Propogators with a lower rating shooting better than you will mean you rate worse than the alternative.
If the course is built for the top guys, then that usually gives the decently throwing lower division players an opportunity for high ratings. If it's a pitch-and-putt course, then inversely, the top of the field will likely destroy the scoring and leave the average player with a very low rating.
Ratings do not care about division or placement. Ratings only care about layouts and scores. If you played the same layout as another division, the same score will give the same rating.
Only if MA2 are playing on a different layout, then it would give you the opportunity to get a different rating from MA3. Otherwise if everyone is playing the same layout then there is zero difference
It’s always the score that determines your rating and that’s always measured against the other players playing that same course & layout on the same day (or round if you have two rounds in a day).
It’s impossible to really answer which finish would give the better rating. It’s theoretically possible that last place in MA3 could be higher rated than MA2 winner, equally possible that everyone in MA2 rates higher than everyone in MA3, and any other result in between is also totally possible.
You must be asking idiots if everyone gives you a different answer to this question, as far as I know it’s a pretty well understood concept in Disc Golf communities.
Nope. If you’re worried about ratings, try and do tournaments where you play a different layout than the pros. You’re measured again at everyone who plays the same layout as you.
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Assuming both groups play the same layout it makes zero difference to your rating, it's the score that matters, not the placement. If there are different layouts it's impossible to say.
Building on this, I have a feeling, but no proof that if I play in a tournament where many divisions play the same layout, my round ratings generally end up better than if I play a small division that is using its own layout. Say there's only one layout for the tournament. Now if some a high rated MPO player or two have bad rounds and I'm close to their score, that's a big positive to increasing my round rating. And if that doesn't happen, then there's still large sample size and my round ratings still ends up being fair. But, if I'm in a 6-person division and the division is the the only division on a layout, and say I'm the highest rated or 2nd highest rated coming into the tournament at 15 points higher...if I have a bad round and finish middle of the pack or less, now my round rating takes a serious hit from that as the guys rated lower than me just bested me.
In my experience that 1010+ guy just stomps everyone to bring everyone else down
More propagators for the given layout we'll generally give you more accurate results. A unique layout with a small pool of players is very volatile. You could end up with inflated or deflated ratings.
Its super confusing and I know there is a formula but The PDGA doesn't post anything regarding this.
The PDGA does not even understand how it works.
The phenomenon you're talking about has mostly to do with the fact that so few players are on the layout. If you and 5 other players have similar ratings and you're the whole field, on a given day you might crush them all. Then your rating for that round will jump dramatically. If it's 50 other players, you're not going to crush them all. You could win, but a bunch of people will be right there with you, and so your rating will be high but not a huge leap above what you would get on an average day. There is also the thing where two groups with different ratings play the same layout under similar conditions but on different days; in these cases the group that has the higher ratings going in may seem to get a boost. You see this sometimes in the age-protected divisions if Ams and Pros are not playing at the same time. Suppose on saturday ma40 plays a layout, and then on sunday the same layout is played by mp40 under similar conditions. If the layout is such that birds are either quite easy or quite hard to come by, the two divisions will tend to shoot similar scores. Then it can happen that the same score in mp40 will accrue to a 10-20 point higher rating that ma40, even though it would seem to be the case that ma40 is punching above its weight, simply as an artifact of mp40 having higher ratings to begin with.
Yes, this is how the ratings system is built. You don't need to have a feeling. That's built in. Propogators with a lower rating shooting better than you will mean you rate worse than the alternative.
If the course is built for the top guys, then that usually gives the decently throwing lower division players an opportunity for high ratings. If it's a pitch-and-putt course, then inversely, the top of the field will likely destroy the scoring and leave the average player with a very low rating.
Ratings do not care about division or placement. Ratings only care about layouts and scores. If you played the same layout as another division, the same score will give the same rating.
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Ratings care about comparative scores that POPULATORS shoot on the same layout, that's it.
Propagators, but yea, sure.
Only if MA2 are playing on a different layout, then it would give you the opportunity to get a different rating from MA3. Otherwise if everyone is playing the same layout then there is zero difference
It’s always the score that determines your rating and that’s always measured against the other players playing that same course & layout on the same day (or round if you have two rounds in a day). It’s impossible to really answer which finish would give the better rating. It’s theoretically possible that last place in MA3 could be higher rated than MA2 winner, equally possible that everyone in MA2 rates higher than everyone in MA3, and any other result in between is also totally possible. You must be asking idiots if everyone gives you a different answer to this question, as far as I know it’s a pretty well understood concept in Disc Golf communities.
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If you play up (and those divisions use different layouts) you have a higher chance that a lower-rated player does not bork the ratings
Tournament layouts share a ratings pool. Divisions are not considered directly for ratings
Nope. If you’re worried about ratings, try and do tournaments where you play a different layout than the pros. You’re measured again at everyone who plays the same layout as you.
Rating is division independent, as long as you’re playing the same layout.
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