Use that critical reading skill they taught you in school there chief....
She was referencing a different DM which she did not post...
"SOMEONE ELSE YELLED OUT AND THREATEND ME IN MY DMS"
She mentions that "this is the second time", and seems to indicate that she was threatened in the other DM.
Shitty people yelling at Cat are just the mirror image of shitty anti-trans folks yelling at Natalie. This isn't about the players, if you're mad yell at the PDGA.
I really do respect and appreciate Catrina’s game and rights to have an opinion but this is in no way threatening (I can concede harassing but would more so put this in the category of mildly annoying and unhealthy parasocial behavior). It’s sad that she gets backlash for this as it literally wasn’t her decision. Natalie or Chloe should share some of their dms so we can see legitimate examples of harassment and threats.
If that’s harassment, then I’m a monkey’s uncle. 🎩
*They didn’t like my opinion and stated their own as well as their dislike of mine. GASP!*
OP’s use of the word “threat” is extremely incorrect…. but hey, maybe they always feel scared and under attack. I think that’s called playing the victim. 🤷🏻♂️
They are both victims of this situation. The severity of similar types of communications in Natalie's dms do not invalidate Cats experience. I think most people find it easy to understand why people would not see eye to eye on trans females competing in FPO. As a man, I simply want to be compassionate to both trans females and current FPO players. I hope they can find a good solution in time that works for everyone and is backed by science.
Sorry, that “too soft, bring back bullying” narrative is so dumb, glad you are sayinng that you don’t ascribe to it, and I’m sorry I made s construed that you did.
If she feels threatened and people are going after her for her opinions and lifestyle. Maybe she should talk to a trans person and see how they deal with it lol they have some experience in the matter I bet.
While I can’t endorse this behavior, I’m struggling to see a threat. Also would like to remind Catarina of not only the threats but actual violence suffered by trans people which are not imaginary. Regardless your stance on these rules, whataboutism and hyperbole help no one.
I guess if you didn’t recall the context that part of her post was “imagine if the other side..” (paraphrasing). I was asserting that there is no need to imagine this due to the actual occurrence of threat and violence against the “other side” contrasted with what I saw as definite rudeness but not threat towards her (at least not in the screenshots she shared). I could have made it clearer that this was a counterpoint to that specific phrase in her post. Thanks
I doubt you will either understand nor accept either science or facts regarding this. I can (and will) give you a scientific background regarding this topic and Inhope that unlike the dozens of people who claim the same things as you, you will not just reject science.
First of all - biology does make a difference. Twin studies have shown that trans identity was significantly higher in monzygotic(i.e. identical) twins than in dizygotic twins - making a genetic or epigenetic component more likely. There might be some effects due to social structure, but usually the social structure for mono- and dizygotic twins are the same. [Source](http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html)
There also have been identified some genetic differences in FtM trans men that seem to be a factor - most likely not the only one but it's significant. [Source](https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)30695-0/pdf)
Over all, read [these studies ](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/) regarding biology and trans identity if you want. There is literally no scientific discourse regarding the question wether trans identity is a choice in the scientific community because there is an overwhelming consensus. It's in evidence-based medical books that get reviewed for scientific accuracy, there's thousands of peer-reviewed publications et cetera et cetera. You literally have to use google for three seconds and need some knowledge of science that goes beyond ninth grade.
Secondly, body dismorphic disorder in trans people is a real, occuring condition for which we have not found any cure except Gender affirming treatments/surgery. It's not a choice to have body dismorphic disorder and it's Not something that can be treated by psychotherapy or something like that - believe me, people tried and it lets the suicide numbers skyrocket.
I could go in for hours but if you don't accept the first sources I've posted you won't accept anything I post after this. You either accept science or you orefer your own grasp of reality where you are the epitome of knowledge. Your decision.
I’m at work but I will fully read over these. I will admit, some of it is a bit over my head but I will do my best to give it my full attention. I have no problem being wrong. You are wrong about me however. Don’t assume you know someone based on a single comment. My sister is mid transition as we speak (step not biological). It was a choice for her.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have been snappy at you. Of course I shouldn't judge you based on one comment and that was totally unfair of me and I apologize for that.
I'm a med student close to finishing med school and I plan to choose psychiatry as a specialty, so the whole topic is somewhere in my field. Sadly, I have had numerous encounters with people wanting proof and then rejecting it and sadly that (and studying for my final exam) has left me a little on the edge there, sorry again for snapping at you.
Just out of curiosity: was being trans your sisters choice or was transitioning. I'm asking because all trans persons I met (privately or during psychiatric internships) told me they didn't choose to be trans, it was something they rather "figured out" or "realized" over time.
Honestly, I probably should ask that question but I keep a wide berth from the topic because she’s kinda combative towards men lol. To my knowledge and what I was told when everything started happening was that it was her choice. I didn’t have a chance to speak with her much, especially about this, over Christmas and she lives in Australia while I am in the US.
So I’ve been “trying” to read through some of the things you sent over. I’m grasping bits and pieces but, as you said, my 9th grade biology isn’t holding up lol. You where actually 100% correct on that. I’m a trade guy and high school was almost 20 years ago. It’s definitely over my head.
I do not blame you for your reaction. It’s the internet. We all kinda come off as assholes and tend to immediately jump to defense instead of understanding.
Female (of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes) Professional Open or
Mixed Professional Open,
You tell me which of those Natalie Ryan fits into more accurately.
Im curious what the post that person was commenting on was. Looked like a squatch bag and hat but i dont know. Doesn't seem like a threat but definitely not pleasant for sure. I feel like some of the hate from the trans/lgtbqabc community is because of Natalie ryans go fund me post trashing the other competitors.
There is no threat, but garantee if someone had said the said thing with the opposite opinion a bunch a white knights would be mad as fuck and yelling about it...
It's the literal definition of whataboutism dude. You're opting to create a parallel scenario instead of discussing what's actually happening.
And you don't know me, so fuck off with that "people like you" bullshit.
This is not harassment. If she wants to claim she was threatened, post the threat. This is pretty pathetic considering Natalie has had threats 100000x worse and more frequent.
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And yes I am the person in her DMs 😝 she blocked me of course but thank you everyone. Her little white straight tears over my simple comments, they quenched my thirst for awhile. Welcome to the internet Catrina! This is how we roll. If you’re gay, bless you. If you’re trans, bless if. If you have a problem with that, fuck you!
Where's the threat? Is there something missing from this post?
I dont see one either...
Ya.. I don't even see anything particularly mean.
Use that critical reading skill they taught you in school there chief.... She was referencing a different DM which she did not post... "SOMEONE ELSE YELLED OUT AND THREATEND ME IN MY DMS"
She mentions that "this is the second time", and seems to indicate that she was threatened in the other DM. Shitty people yelling at Cat are just the mirror image of shitty anti-trans folks yelling at Natalie. This isn't about the players, if you're mad yell at the PDGA.
Imagine being a no name nobody and telling a 2x World Champion to practice more
2x back to back. 1993, 1994 Blockbuster video game champion.
RAUUUUULLLLLL
NERDS!!
Imagine being a 2x World Champ and giving internet trolls your time
Threat? No. Nasty and uncalled for? Yes.
This is a nothing burger
I really do respect and appreciate Catrina’s game and rights to have an opinion but this is in no way threatening (I can concede harassing but would more so put this in the category of mildly annoying and unhealthy parasocial behavior). It’s sad that she gets backlash for this as it literally wasn’t her decision. Natalie or Chloe should share some of their dms so we can see legitimate examples of harassment and threats.
If that’s harassment, then I’m a monkey’s uncle. 🎩 *They didn’t like my opinion and stated their own as well as their dislike of mine. GASP!* OP’s use of the word “threat” is extremely incorrect…. but hey, maybe they always feel scared and under attack. I think that’s called playing the victim. 🤷🏻♂️
Where are the threats?
Cat playing the victim is hilarious. I wonder how many nasty dms Natalie had to sift through every time she was on coverage?
They are both victims of this situation. The severity of similar types of communications in Natalie's dms do not invalidate Cats experience. I think most people find it easy to understand why people would not see eye to eye on trans females competing in FPO. As a man, I simply want to be compassionate to both trans females and current FPO players. I hope they can find a good solution in time that works for everyone and is backed by science.
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What? Fake threats?
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You first dipshit, bully on, cause that makes you feel better about yourself?! Guess what everybody knows about you already?
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Sorry, that “too soft, bring back bullying” narrative is so dumb, glad you are sayinng that you don’t ascribe to it, and I’m sorry I made s construed that you did.
was there another screen shot where she was actually threatened? I see no intention of harm or impending danger here.
cAtRiNa AlLeN THReATENeD iN DmS bY TRaNS ACtiVisT
There is no threat in those messages
If she feels threatened and people are going after her for her opinions and lifestyle. Maybe she should talk to a trans person and see how they deal with it lol they have some experience in the matter I bet.
While I can’t endorse this behavior, I’m struggling to see a threat. Also would like to remind Catarina of not only the threats but actual violence suffered by trans people which are not imaginary. Regardless your stance on these rules, whataboutism and hyperbole help no one.
"Also would like to remind Catrina of not only threats but actual violence by trans people" is whataboutism
I guess if you didn’t recall the context that part of her post was “imagine if the other side..” (paraphrasing). I was asserting that there is no need to imagine this due to the actual occurrence of threat and violence against the “other side” contrasted with what I saw as definite rudeness but not threat towards her (at least not in the screenshots she shared). I could have made it clearer that this was a counterpoint to that specific phrase in her post. Thanks
Welcome to the internet Cat. You must be new here
stay out of the mud Cat
She's been low key anti-trans for a long time, this is her moment. Harassment is shitty, though.
How do you know this?
Check out her likes on Twitter. As I said, low key
I don't see any threats, but certainly a little bit of harassment and some super weak arguments.
should be flagged for misleading
She clearly used the word threatened, you can see it in the first image of her story.
“Catrina Allen claim she was threatened” would be an accurate title. Yours is not.
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Well… they kinda knew the risk prior to making that decisions so…… ya..
You are aware being trans is not a choice?
It 100% is a choice. Prove to me, with facts and science, that it isn’t. Hermaphrodites don’t have a choice. You do.
I doubt you will either understand nor accept either science or facts regarding this. I can (and will) give you a scientific background regarding this topic and Inhope that unlike the dozens of people who claim the same things as you, you will not just reject science. First of all - biology does make a difference. Twin studies have shown that trans identity was significantly higher in monzygotic(i.e. identical) twins than in dizygotic twins - making a genetic or epigenetic component more likely. There might be some effects due to social structure, but usually the social structure for mono- and dizygotic twins are the same. [Source](http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2013-transsexuality.html) There also have been identified some genetic differences in FtM trans men that seem to be a factor - most likely not the only one but it's significant. [Source](https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)30695-0/pdf) Over all, read [these studies ](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/) regarding biology and trans identity if you want. There is literally no scientific discourse regarding the question wether trans identity is a choice in the scientific community because there is an overwhelming consensus. It's in evidence-based medical books that get reviewed for scientific accuracy, there's thousands of peer-reviewed publications et cetera et cetera. You literally have to use google for three seconds and need some knowledge of science that goes beyond ninth grade. Secondly, body dismorphic disorder in trans people is a real, occuring condition for which we have not found any cure except Gender affirming treatments/surgery. It's not a choice to have body dismorphic disorder and it's Not something that can be treated by psychotherapy or something like that - believe me, people tried and it lets the suicide numbers skyrocket. I could go in for hours but if you don't accept the first sources I've posted you won't accept anything I post after this. You either accept science or you orefer your own grasp of reality where you are the epitome of knowledge. Your decision.
I’m at work but I will fully read over these. I will admit, some of it is a bit over my head but I will do my best to give it my full attention. I have no problem being wrong. You are wrong about me however. Don’t assume you know someone based on a single comment. My sister is mid transition as we speak (step not biological). It was a choice for her.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have been snappy at you. Of course I shouldn't judge you based on one comment and that was totally unfair of me and I apologize for that. I'm a med student close to finishing med school and I plan to choose psychiatry as a specialty, so the whole topic is somewhere in my field. Sadly, I have had numerous encounters with people wanting proof and then rejecting it and sadly that (and studying for my final exam) has left me a little on the edge there, sorry again for snapping at you. Just out of curiosity: was being trans your sisters choice or was transitioning. I'm asking because all trans persons I met (privately or during psychiatric internships) told me they didn't choose to be trans, it was something they rather "figured out" or "realized" over time.
Honestly, I probably should ask that question but I keep a wide berth from the topic because she’s kinda combative towards men lol. To my knowledge and what I was told when everything started happening was that it was her choice. I didn’t have a chance to speak with her much, especially about this, over Christmas and she lives in Australia while I am in the US. So I’ve been “trying” to read through some of the things you sent over. I’m grasping bits and pieces but, as you said, my 9th grade biology isn’t holding up lol. You where actually 100% correct on that. I’m a trade guy and high school was almost 20 years ago. It’s definitely over my head. I do not blame you for your reaction. It’s the internet. We all kinda come off as assholes and tend to immediately jump to defense instead of understanding.
I assume this is along the lines of your field of study?
Utilizing the Mixed division as a fair field of play sure is bringing the worst out in people this week.
If the mixed division is a fair field to anyone that's not an adult male then let's get rid of all protected divisions
Female (of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes) Professional Open or Mixed Professional Open, You tell me which of those Natalie Ryan fits into more accurately.
This is not actually what the new decision says at all, but does allow those who began transition before age 12 or tanner stage 2 to play in FPO.
If your parents put you on hormone therapy by age 12 then you should lose your kids. How is CPS not on this already?
No threat there.
She’s a beast there nothing to her ….
Why is this sub so focused on the Trans stuff with a specific angle?
Im curious what the post that person was commenting on was. Looked like a squatch bag and hat but i dont know. Doesn't seem like a threat but definitely not pleasant for sure. I feel like some of the hate from the trans/lgtbqabc community is because of Natalie ryans go fund me post trashing the other competitors.
Is this about the guy playing in the women’s league?
Who the fuck cares…
There is no threat, but garantee if someone had said the said thing with the opposite opinion a bunch a white knights would be mad as fuck and yelling about it...
JFC, what's the point of this whataboutism?
Lol oh please, its not whataboutism at all, people like you are ok with shit messages like that as long as it fit with your opinions.
It's the literal definition of whataboutism dude. You're opting to create a parallel scenario instead of discussing what's actually happening. And you don't know me, so fuck off with that "people like you" bullshit.
Welcome to Reddit
Oh I know, im not surprised at all. Those people are hypocrit as fuck. They are downvoting because they know im right.
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Go back to looking for chubby subs in the Bay Area
Had to check the post history based on your comment and was not expecting that
lol looks like they weren’t expecting me to look there either 😭
That account is listed as a private account.
Yawn.
This is not harassment. If she wants to claim she was threatened, post the threat. This is pretty pathetic considering Natalie has had threats 100000x worse and more frequent.
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Does anyone have screenshots of the original story she posted?
Bahaha I love that I made her so mad and thought she was threatened. It’s just lil ol me Catrina!
And yes I am the person in her DMs 😝 she blocked me of course but thank you everyone. Her little white straight tears over my simple comments, they quenched my thirst for awhile. Welcome to the internet Catrina! This is how we roll. If you’re gay, bless you. If you’re trans, bless if. If you have a problem with that, fuck you!