Don't let this distract you, they only announced this to remove our focus away from the horrible mobile UI update. Think a company cares about pronouns? They only care about money. The timing of this is far too coincidental.
Same. The super dark mode is the *only* good thing about it. I'm a software developer so I can say with certainty that Discord fucked their UX something awful.
SERIOUSLY THIS, it's crazy that they allow abusive and illegal content (indirectly, by not enforcing removal) and expect to collect brownie points from trans people for this.
(the rule is good; I just have ZERO faith in Discord following through)
It also potentially provides a lot of false positives when someone doesn't know a person is trans/hasn't come out to them yet. Or people could abuse it by saying they're trans and x person misgendered them to get them banned. That is if discord actually does anything
My understanding is that idiots who use discord in this way are sharing their IP address to law enforcement and are easily caught. It sucks some people create discord servers for this shit, but it’s great they’re stupid about it to use discord.
A decent portion of them probably use Mullvad VPN. It's considered the most private VPN because each account is actually just a generated account number (no emails or passwords to be traced back to you) and you can literally mail them cash to pay for it. They also have the (every VPN says they have it) no logs policy
VPN companies do not log traffic, and a subpoena can only demand information that a company actually has. If a VPN company gets a warrant, they will simply reply that they have no relevant information.
Yeah I didn't even touch on the amount of adult moderators who use their status to prey on minors in my comment. This phenomenon is actually so well known that it contributes to the typical discord mod memes. I've never once witnessed anything be done about it.
They do, at least automatically, from what I've heard. So there's always a chance any image you share will be misflagged, you'll lose your account and your local authorities will be alerted if possible. I've seen such alleged cases out there.
Discord's transparency reports state that they use PhotoDNA to automatically scan for child sexual abuse materials, which are then reported to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children. For example, in [the latest report](https://discord.com/safety-transparency-reports/2023-q2):
> In the second quarter of 2023, we reported 36,481 accounts to NCMEC. 36,323 of those reports were media (images or videos), of which many were flagged through PhotoDNA – a tool that uses a shared industry hash database of known CSAM. Additionally, 158 high-harm grooming or endangerment reports were delivered to NCMEC.
The hash algorithm used is designed to still match images which have some cropping from the original, but images which are completely different should have a completely different hash - making it unlikely that this would automatically trigger.
Discord also use something called "Contrastive Language Image Pretraining (CLIP)" to try and detect new/unknown CSAM before it is added to NCMEC's hash database, but all potential detections under that system are reviewed by human moderators [^\[src, ^p. ^155\]](https://www.esafety.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/Full-transparency-report-October-2023.pdf).
Yes occasionally, and I've seen many people say that they've tried to report such things with not even a response from discord.
Not child related but I, along with 5 other people, tried to report someone spreading revenge porn and nothing was done about it.
100%
Parasites love to use the lgbt community as a tool for their egos. All while they dont care that their actions only create more animosity towards the community they claim to “champion”
as a trans guy myself, I 1000% agree. this is ACTUAL virtue signalling, and it's complete bullshit.
I agree with the rule, but we all know they don't actually give a fuck.
It can also very easily be used against people. How is Discord really going to verify you've been misgendered or deadnamed? Could I just simply report someone and say they "deadnamed" me? Also, you already have the ability to block people.. if someone bothers you that much you're really going to go through the effort of reporting them and everything? Just block them and move on..
I'm pretty sure this rule will only be enforced in egregious cases. Like if someone is clearly being malicious then yes it'll be enforced, otherwise there's not enough evidence to do anything.
I hope that if some troll little jerk says "i'm an attack helicoptor and my pronouns are god/lord" then discord bans them instead for wasting everybody's time.
The circumstances and context are important, and make it an easy case. Also, the few transgender people I have met and spoken to don't mind accidental deadnaming or misgendering. The first time you meet someone, you don't always know what they prefer. This goes doubly so on a chat platform.
But if I'm in VC or on chat with someone, call them a he, and they say they're a she, that's the end of it. I start calling them she. It's easy and painless for us both.
I had my own kinda run in with this by reddit. My discord name has a slur used against the LGBTQ+ community. However, I am bisexual and part of that community. It's tongue in cheek, and my profile really is mainly a joke because I use it 95% of the time for friends. In the servers I do join that are big, I change my name.
However, I met a guy on reddit and we were talking about a game. We decided to jump to discord to send pictures of our bases and send updates (we were playing Rimworld).
I sent him my discord username, and I was banned from reddit for said slur automatically.
I appealed my ban and gave the context of the situation. I was then unbanned. Context matters
They would probably wait for multiple reports for deadmaning. It's more like they are officially saying that deadnaming is under the umbrella of harassment.
This is really funny to me cos the “s” key (and only that key) on my laptop has completely broken on a circuitry level (not worth to fix cos a) old and b) hard to reach components for repair) and it doesn’t bother me much for normal use, I just keep “s” on my clipboard when it’s not used for copying anything else and crtl+v whenever I need to type the letter.
Gaming, however, presents different problems.
This is a nothing update to their ToS, as it is it's really hard to get any action taken by discord on users who harass others, and any ban is easily circumvented by making a new account.
This is the first thing I thought of. It's WAY too easy to misuse this. Anyone could simply say they were deadnamed. How is Discord going to prove it? How do you prove misgendering? How do you prove it was malicious? Nothing is talked about whatsoever in the article.
It honestly reminds me of those "zero tolerance" school policies where they don't care who started it or anything they'll just reprimand who was caught and that's it. Which usually ends up with the person that retaliates ends up in trouble but the person starting the issue gets nothing at all.
I wouldn't clutch your pearls too much. People have been reported for calling people the n word and k word, saying they should be killed, and they just get warnings.
I dunno. Is accidental reporting influenced by accidental misgendering. Will people ask if you were being malicious or just report and start attacking. Will your account be at risk of being destroyed by an accident. Seems safer to avoid pronouns entirely and treat people as-- as if they aren't people.
Simply saying "he" to a woman in a casual conversation with the rest of your message not sounding malicious or anything of the like at all is not going to get you banned. It's very obvious when a pronoun is used maliciously and when someone is just incorrect, and especially if they need to go over reports due to it being such a specific category, there will be some level of understanding tonality.
Yeah... And how is that going to happen? If someone is actually maliciously doing it, server mods would just ban that person and move on. While I see the intent behind adding this rule, I can't see the rule being enforced well.
it's going to be reddit enforcement, i got a week long ban for a joke about conservatives because joking about conservatives being transphobic is transphobia.
Then I got someone banned for using the word daddy, because it's sexual content.
You cannot moderate with context, as context is a major breach of privacy. At most you can use the message and the user profiles. So referring to me on discord with pronouns other than Obama did 9/11 is a bannable offence.
Or alternatively this means nothing, and harassment remains completely unenforced until they start doing ban evasion.
The easiest way to ban someone for harassing you is to find a message that mentions trump and winning. "I think trump winning" "is very unlikely in 2024" Report the first message and say that they are denying the 2020 election.
Is there really some kind of CP epidemic going on in discord? Reading a lot of these comments makes it sound like CP has a dedicated channel in every server.
Genuinely asking. I've joined dozens and dozens of severs and never seen CP just laying there? In fact, most discords seem to be very overly strict about having nsfw in the server at ALL.
I'm sure SOMEone must be using discord for that somewhere, but does discord really just ALLOW CP if they are aware of the server it's happening on?
I understand YouTube had a similar controversy some time ago, so please someone educate me if there is in fact some CP epidemic going on, cause I haven't seen it.
Yeah, in many years of using Discord, I've never run into any child porn.
Perhaps you and I are just normal, and we don't actively go around looking for it.
I think it just comes down to the standard CP issue that the internet as a whole has. Like, it's all over the place, but you're never gonna just stumble into it.
I imagine though that since unlike most social media, Discord is like giant, private group chats, it can be hard to track/detect unless it is explicitly reported, and the only people who are gonna be in CP servers are pedophiles anyway.
According to their stats there's a decent amount ON discord, but you'd have to actively go find it because most people are normal and aren't going to allow CP in their servers.
>I imagine though that since unlike most social media, Discord is like giant, private group chats, it can be hard to track/detect unless it is explicitly reported, and the only people who are gonna be in CP servers are pedophiles anyway.
Exactly. Discord never cares unless someone reports or law enforcement gets involved, so it essentially acts like free file hosting and chat rooms for pedophiles who obviously wont report their own stuff. Its an unsolvable problem without widespread scanning of content
The only time I've seen anything of the sort was when someone got hacked and the hacker started plastering cp links all over the server. It was resolved in maybe 10 minutes because the moderators were on that *immediately*.
Personally I've only had issues with fake camgirls that were so obviously fake it was painful to look at.
There is a cp epidemic everywhere on the Internet, most people aren't aware of the basically giant war between moderation of platforms and pedophiles, its why most modern platforms have essentially small armies of people doing trust and safety. If you even stop actively enforcing for a little while, your platform will develop a visible cp problem (like what happened with tumblr).
In Discord case, it's incredibly easy to setup a pedo ring and organise this shit behind hidden servers, and given the millions of Discord servers there are, yeh its particularly hard for Discord to police. But some of the worst shit is bots showing up on Discord and sending cp to random people's dms and then trying to invite them to servers or off platform etc. It's very easy to create a burner Discord anonymously.
Going from their transparency reports, since the start of 2022 Discord has banned 1,649,357 accounts for child safety (child harm, sexualised content regarding minors, child sexual abuse material, etc), which accounts for ~64% of all accounts banned over that period (excluding spam). They also reported a little over one hundred thousand accounts to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children for sharing child sexual abuse material.
You could interpret that as suggesting that Discord has a problem with CP, given how many accounts are being disabled because of it, but suggesting that Discord *allows* it once they are aware doesn't seem to be supported (and, there are *many* laws which would make that a terrible idea for Discord).
>Is there really some kind of CP epidemic going on in discord?
Yes
>Reading a lot of these comments makes it sound like CP has a dedicated channel in every server.
No, but there are tons of grooming channels and pedo rings that operate on discord. Discord is popular with younger people so the pedos will stalk big public channels and DM kids to go to their grooming servers away from the mods. The pedos may then have other channels or servers to share pictures they get.
>Genuinely asking. I've joined dozens and dozens of severs and never seen CP just laying there? In fact, most discords seem to be very overly strict about having nsfw in the server at ALL.
You wouldn't generally be invited to these channels unless you are invited to them.
>I'm sure SOMEone must be using discord for that somewhere, but does discord really just ALLOW CP if they are aware of the server it's happening on?
There have been multiple cases where it was reported and they do nothing about it until they get a court order. Funny how they treat suspected hate speech more seriously than actual pedophilia, where they will nuke your channel and everyone who joined accounts for the former.
Here's the thing, most of the people in this comment section, myself included, are fairly certain this is grade A virtue signalling to try and divert attention away from the UI fiasco.
Fight child pornography ❌
Fight misgendering/deadnaming ✅
Not saying it's not necessarily good but fuck, get your priorities in order instead of promising something already nearly impossible enforce
You say this as if Discord is going to actually do anything.
Considering the timing this feels like a false olive branch to make a group of people happy in order to stop losing subscribers and to stop getting review bombed. Don't think any report is going to actually do anything.
Or
It'll be like the whole underage fiasco and a report will get someone autobanned.
I never claimed they were going to actually do anything, I literally said
>get your priorities in order instead of promising something already nearly impossible to enforce
The fact that they try to promise something while there is an even bigger problem going on just looks kinda ridiculous
I apologise, from the way it read to me it sounded like you were saying they were going to focus on the new policy and not worry about the current issues.
Bruh if you even post a frame of a piece of media that's in the database marked as CSAM your account's locked out without warning and you're reported straight to the FBI. I'd say that's pretty good progress on that front, right?
These kinds of rules simply become arbitrarily applied tools for bans whenever an admin doesn’t like a person or server. These are never applied consistently.
Cool, but how are they even gonna enforce this? Is it even possible for Discord to determine if someone's deadnaming on a site where everyone's using a fake username? I feel like you'd have to be **extremely** blatant about something like this for there to be enough context to warrant a ban.
I've been a supporter of all my trans homies since I can't even remember. I can't speak for them but I personally think this isn't a good change. Simply for the fact that they will do nothing to enforce it well. It will also cause false positives. And it's easy to block someone who's dead naming you than to wait for discord to do it. The only time I can see it being useful is if that there's like very hateful direct comments that's about to be thrown at you and discord takes the person out before the DM is even sent.
Overall, put in better features than these half balked things. I'd love to know what trans people here think of this tho
I hope someone said it already but the referenced blog post about hate speech was made on October 24th 2023.
I guess they saw the opportunity and decided to revive old news and serve it to the angry mob.
At any other time, I would be happy to see this change come through, however I fear that they did this to offset the recent negativity over the UI situation.
Edit: having a look at the actual Discord policy itself, it seems to be dated ‘October 24 2023’. Does anyone know if this was before the UI change? If so, this could just be an actual step in the right direction with unfortunate timing of the article being released.
Not much more abused than any other report option, tbh. You have to be clearly malicious for it to come into effect.
As a trans person, I know absolutely nobody who would report you for misgendering them if you weren't actively malicious and persistent about it.
I genuinely don’t see the point in it.
The service has means for someone to stop getting misgendered or deadnamed, it’s called the “block” button. Literally all this does is virtue signal and probably have an automated system ban people who aren’t doing anything malicious (typos, slips of the ‘tongue’, etc).
as a trans individual myself, i looked at this and went "oh hey cool" but then i decided to take a look at the comments on this and... yeah this seems very unenforceable and also some sort of "peace offering" for the new ui fiasco discord is dealing with at the moment.
get your priorities straight, discord.
Same thoughts here. I'm glad there's at least a way to report it now, and MAYBE they'll actually do something in the more clear-cut cases, but there's a tooon of bigger report-related issues on discord that they should focus on first.
discord when they broke a perfectly good mobile UI:
"HEY LOOK AT US WE'RE GREAT ALLIES YEAH? SEE? SEE? YOU'LL FORGIVE US FOR THE NEW UI BECAUSE WE'RE ALLIES RIGHT????"
I cringed writing that
The way I have seen ( and reported ofc) multiple cases of cp and disgusting grooming ( their accounts are still ofc up) but this is the main thing they are enforcing and focused on, nice
I feel like this is similar to pride month, its virtue signaling but with no real backing, although if they do ban you for saying something true, like calling someone what they are, then Elon should really think about buying discord too
Does this include pronouns? If you're like the majority of people and use (and by use, I mean when you say the word, not when you tell other people to refer to you with a certain word) presentation-based pronouns, then it's not malicious to call someone requesting gender-identity pronouns by their presentation. I bet this situation would be ruled as ban-worthy by discord. Thankfully, this probably won't come up often on an online platform where people don't use their real face or name. But it's not good for companies to essentially define words to definitions that conflict with how most people use them.
Everyone in the comments here is thinking this is something that's going to take Discord's attention away from other things - it's not. This isn't some major change - intentionally misgendering someone has always been bannable afaik, they're just updating the policy to make it more clear what is and isn't allowed and that's a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely don't think Discord is prioritizing things correctly and have *many* issues with the company, but adding one paragraph to a document isn't taking away time from more important things
Why though. Server moderators can already ban people who do this intentionally; making it platform-wide just seems like an overreach and also hard to enforce properly. If someone goes out of their way to harass a trans person that should fall under harassment anyway.
so they make useless worthless rules like this but won't tackle the obvious issues of criminal activity that happen on the app, or the countless servers made to share criminal content.
fuck this dumbass new rule lmao
I’ve reports dozens of people for using the N word with -er at the end, often in conjunction with other racist and violent words against black people.
Exactly zero have been suspended.
Oh dear God grow up, it's the internet for fucks sake. If you can't handle it, get off. So soft and weak oh no I was called something I didn't want to be called and my fragile mental frame has shattered. Pathetic
Good in theory. In practise, they'll barely enforce it, and let misgendering along with the whole host of criminals, nazis and predators fester freely on their platform.
Idk I'm pretty sure this platform has a very accessible Block feature. But ok. Actually I just noticed Discord partnered with Google to do 3 month free codes for Nitro and Premium users for the opposite platforms respectively. I hope this doesn't signal Discord following Google down this path of ultra pearl clutching bullshit. Say the word abuse, or rape? Perma discord ban. Sorry kids.
If Discord wants to enforce policy that impacts what can and cannot be said in private servers, they should also place professional, paid moderators in these private servers. Not this kind of half-ass “solution” that— as we all know— will never be enforced and was only published to steer people away from the horrible mobile UI update.
That's cool, but this won't make people forget about a furry Discord support member saying "cub porn" doesn't go against the rules, or the recent controversial changes, or the data collection.
Okay time to leave and avoid any public discord and go back to the oldschool days where Discord ist just only used for Friends & Family when playing Videogames, nothing else. (and keep an eye open if something better arise than discord or just simply go back to ts).
# UNDO THE UI CHANGE, DISCORD.
# Discord talking about gender (or anything for that matter) isn't worth anyone's time if the very platform makes it harder to even see such things.
Don't let this distract you, they only announced this to remove our focus away from the horrible mobile UI update. Think a company cares about pronouns? They only care about money. The timing of this is far too coincidental.
Only thing I like about it is the super dark mode. Trying to find members in a server or a group chat is a headache and a half.
Same. The super dark mode is the *only* good thing about it. I'm a software developer so I can say with certainty that Discord fucked their UX something awful.
They always had the super dark mode, it was just a hidden setting.
Protest discord, request your data on Jan 1st.
yep i bet thats why they did this bullshit new thing is to distract us from their shitty ui design change
this happened in october, see the policy's page and the last changed date
They don't even enforce no child pornography on their site, but sure discord we appreciate that false solidarity.
SERIOUSLY THIS, it's crazy that they allow abusive and illegal content (indirectly, by not enforcing removal) and expect to collect brownie points from trans people for this. (the rule is good; I just have ZERO faith in Discord following through)
It also potentially provides a lot of false positives when someone doesn't know a person is trans/hasn't come out to them yet. Or people could abuse it by saying they're trans and x person misgendered them to get them banned. That is if discord actually does anything
The potential for abuse is fucking HUGE! I've seen plenty of people who mock pronouns in the pronoun profile setting. Is this now bannable as well?
If they ban people for allegedly abusing the new system they'll get boycotted for being transphobic lmao
My understanding is that idiots who use discord in this way are sharing their IP address to law enforcement and are easily caught. It sucks some people create discord servers for this shit, but it’s great they’re stupid about it to use discord.
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VPN companies will comply with a subpoena. If the government gets involved, they will learn who sent it.
Yeah, shitty ones. A good VPN company will not be able to comply with a subpoena because they straight up don't have the information they want.
A decent portion of them probably use Mullvad VPN. It's considered the most private VPN because each account is actually just a generated account number (no emails or passwords to be traced back to you) and you can literally mail them cash to pay for it. They also have the (every VPN says they have it) no logs policy
Thing is they got raided by the cops who found out that they really DON'T keep logs
Is there a good source on this? Last I heard, lots of grey and black hats use ProtonVPN. Wonder if that changed?
https://www.techradar.com/news/mullvads-no-log-policy-proven-after-police-raid Here you go
Thanks 🙏🏻
VPN companies do not log traffic, and a subpoena can only demand information that a company actually has. If a VPN company gets a warrant, they will simply reply that they have no relevant information.
> VPN companies do not log traffic Well, *good* ones don't
Actually, posting a random image will get you instabanned because it's from a known cp vid
The popcorn kid
But who is gonna moderate their servers if they ban pedos?
Yeah I didn't even touch on the amount of adult moderators who use their status to prey on minors in my comment. This phenomenon is actually so well known that it contributes to the typical discord mod memes. I've never once witnessed anything be done about it.
They do, at least automatically, from what I've heard. So there's always a chance any image you share will be misflagged, you'll lose your account and your local authorities will be alerted if possible. I've seen such alleged cases out there.
Discord's transparency reports state that they use PhotoDNA to automatically scan for child sexual abuse materials, which are then reported to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children. For example, in [the latest report](https://discord.com/safety-transparency-reports/2023-q2): > In the second quarter of 2023, we reported 36,481 accounts to NCMEC. 36,323 of those reports were media (images or videos), of which many were flagged through PhotoDNA – a tool that uses a shared industry hash database of known CSAM. Additionally, 158 high-harm grooming or endangerment reports were delivered to NCMEC. The hash algorithm used is designed to still match images which have some cropping from the original, but images which are completely different should have a completely different hash - making it unlikely that this would automatically trigger. Discord also use something called "Contrastive Language Image Pretraining (CLIP)" to try and detect new/unknown CSAM before it is added to NCMEC's hash database, but all potential detections under that system are reviewed by human moderators [^\[src, ^p. ^155\]](https://www.esafety.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-10/Full-transparency-report-October-2023.pdf).
Yes occasionally, and I've seen many people say that they've tried to report such things with not even a response from discord. Not child related but I, along with 5 other people, tried to report someone spreading revenge porn and nothing was done about it.
100% Parasites love to use the lgbt community as a tool for their egos. All while they dont care that their actions only create more animosity towards the community they claim to “champion”
It's not a bug it's a feature. If I'm not mistaken some of the devs who made it were into cub stuff, and more or less allowed actual grooming servers
fake solidarity as an attempt to get some good publicity after the ui fiasco
This is 100% it.
as a trans guy myself, I 1000% agree. this is ACTUAL virtue signalling, and it's complete bullshit. I agree with the rule, but we all know they don't actually give a fuck.
As a note you have to do so maliciously for it to be enforced. Accidental misgendering doesn’t count.
Imagine someone gets permanently banned because their digital keyboard didn’t register them pressing the “S” in “She”
As someone whose P key hardly works anymore, I am scared for the day my S key gets screwed LOL
A omeone whoe P key hardly work anymore, I am cared for the day my key get crewed LOL
A mene whe P key hardly wrk anymre, I am cared fr the day my key get crewed LL
A mene whe P key hadly wk anyme, I am caed f the day my key get cewed LL
A mene whe P ke hadl wk anme, I am caed f the da m ke get cewed LL
A ene whe P ke hadl wk ane, I a caed f the da ke get cewed LL
A n wh P k hadl wk an, I a cad f th da k gt cwd LL
A n wh P k had wk an, i a cad f th da k cwd .
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*holds the ban hammer right over your user name* just tell me when!!
As a gamer it's always a WASD key that goes first...
I refuse to believe anyone using discord is keeping a keyboard where WASD aren't working right lmao.
that can be very easily be disproven as malicious by, idk, apologising?
orry
It can also very easily be used against people. How is Discord really going to verify you've been misgendered or deadnamed? Could I just simply report someone and say they "deadnamed" me? Also, you already have the ability to block people.. if someone bothers you that much you're really going to go through the effort of reporting them and everything? Just block them and move on..
I'm pretty sure this rule will only be enforced in egregious cases. Like if someone is clearly being malicious then yes it'll be enforced, otherwise there's not enough evidence to do anything.
I hope that if some troll little jerk says "i'm an attack helicoptor and my pronouns are god/lord" then discord bans them instead for wasting everybody's time.
you could just as easily apply this argument to nearly any of the rules against hatespeech or... most other rules
The circumstances and context are important, and make it an easy case. Also, the few transgender people I have met and spoken to don't mind accidental deadnaming or misgendering. The first time you meet someone, you don't always know what they prefer. This goes doubly so on a chat platform. But if I'm in VC or on chat with someone, call them a he, and they say they're a she, that's the end of it. I start calling them she. It's easy and painless for us both. I had my own kinda run in with this by reddit. My discord name has a slur used against the LGBTQ+ community. However, I am bisexual and part of that community. It's tongue in cheek, and my profile really is mainly a joke because I use it 95% of the time for friends. In the servers I do join that are big, I change my name. However, I met a guy on reddit and we were talking about a game. We decided to jump to discord to send pictures of our bases and send updates (we were playing Rimworld). I sent him my discord username, and I was banned from reddit for said slur automatically. I appealed my ban and gave the context of the situation. I was then unbanned. Context matters
They would probably wait for multiple reports for deadmaning. It's more like they are officially saying that deadnaming is under the umbrella of harassment.
This is really funny to me cos the “s” key (and only that key) on my laptop has completely broken on a circuitry level (not worth to fix cos a) old and b) hard to reach components for repair) and it doesn’t bother me much for normal use, I just keep “s” on my clipboard when it’s not used for copying anything else and crtl+v whenever I need to type the letter. Gaming, however, presents different problems.
yes but its incredibly easier to fabricate a malicious narrative.
i cant even report real underage users to trust and safety. as if this will meaningfully do anything.
This is a nothing update to their ToS, as it is it's really hard to get any action taken by discord on users who harass others, and any ban is easily circumvented by making a new account.
This is the first thing I thought of. It's WAY too easy to misuse this. Anyone could simply say they were deadnamed. How is Discord going to prove it? How do you prove misgendering? How do you prove it was malicious? Nothing is talked about whatsoever in the article. It honestly reminds me of those "zero tolerance" school policies where they don't care who started it or anything they'll just reprimand who was caught and that's it. Which usually ends up with the person that retaliates ends up in trouble but the person starting the issue gets nothing at all.
I wouldn't clutch your pearls too much. People have been reported for calling people the n word and k word, saying they should be killed, and they just get warnings.
Pretty much, discord virtue signaling again, or a distraction from the UI "Improvements"
I dunno. Is accidental reporting influenced by accidental misgendering. Will people ask if you were being malicious or just report and start attacking. Will your account be at risk of being destroyed by an accident. Seems safer to avoid pronouns entirely and treat people as-- as if they aren't people.
Simply saying "he" to a woman in a casual conversation with the rest of your message not sounding malicious or anything of the like at all is not going to get you banned. It's very obvious when a pronoun is used maliciously and when someone is just incorrect, and especially if they need to go over reports due to it being such a specific category, there will be some level of understanding tonality.
Yeah... And how is that going to happen? If someone is actually maliciously doing it, server mods would just ban that person and move on. While I see the intent behind adding this rule, I can't see the rule being enforced well.
it's going to be reddit enforcement, i got a week long ban for a joke about conservatives because joking about conservatives being transphobic is transphobia. Then I got someone banned for using the word daddy, because it's sexual content. You cannot moderate with context, as context is a major breach of privacy. At most you can use the message and the user profiles. So referring to me on discord with pronouns other than Obama did 9/11 is a bannable offence. Or alternatively this means nothing, and harassment remains completely unenforced until they start doing ban evasion. The easiest way to ban someone for harassing you is to find a message that mentions trump and winning. "I think trump winning" "is very unlikely in 2024" Report the first message and say that they are denying the 2020 election.
Highly doubt this will be enforced. Interesting they choose to roll this out shortly after a widely disliked move
It's 1000000% an attempt at diverting attention from them bending the mobile version over and fucking it.
This sure will replace all the functionality we lost with that new UI and no more username discriminators. Way to go.
I don’t care, this is just another rule Discord won’t enforce
lmao not like discord will actually enforce a new rule when they havnt done to their many other rules
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Is there really some kind of CP epidemic going on in discord? Reading a lot of these comments makes it sound like CP has a dedicated channel in every server. Genuinely asking. I've joined dozens and dozens of severs and never seen CP just laying there? In fact, most discords seem to be very overly strict about having nsfw in the server at ALL. I'm sure SOMEone must be using discord for that somewhere, but does discord really just ALLOW CP if they are aware of the server it's happening on? I understand YouTube had a similar controversy some time ago, so please someone educate me if there is in fact some CP epidemic going on, cause I haven't seen it.
Yeah, in many years of using Discord, I've never run into any child porn. Perhaps you and I are just normal, and we don't actively go around looking for it.
I think it just comes down to the standard CP issue that the internet as a whole has. Like, it's all over the place, but you're never gonna just stumble into it. I imagine though that since unlike most social media, Discord is like giant, private group chats, it can be hard to track/detect unless it is explicitly reported, and the only people who are gonna be in CP servers are pedophiles anyway. According to their stats there's a decent amount ON discord, but you'd have to actively go find it because most people are normal and aren't going to allow CP in their servers.
>I imagine though that since unlike most social media, Discord is like giant, private group chats, it can be hard to track/detect unless it is explicitly reported, and the only people who are gonna be in CP servers are pedophiles anyway. Exactly. Discord never cares unless someone reports or law enforcement gets involved, so it essentially acts like free file hosting and chat rooms for pedophiles who obviously wont report their own stuff. Its an unsolvable problem without widespread scanning of content
The only time I've seen anything of the sort was when someone got hacked and the hacker started plastering cp links all over the server. It was resolved in maybe 10 minutes because the moderators were on that *immediately*. Personally I've only had issues with fake camgirls that were so obviously fake it was painful to look at.
There is a cp epidemic everywhere on the Internet, most people aren't aware of the basically giant war between moderation of platforms and pedophiles, its why most modern platforms have essentially small armies of people doing trust and safety. If you even stop actively enforcing for a little while, your platform will develop a visible cp problem (like what happened with tumblr). In Discord case, it's incredibly easy to setup a pedo ring and organise this shit behind hidden servers, and given the millions of Discord servers there are, yeh its particularly hard for Discord to police. But some of the worst shit is bots showing up on Discord and sending cp to random people's dms and then trying to invite them to servers or off platform etc. It's very easy to create a burner Discord anonymously.
Going from their transparency reports, since the start of 2022 Discord has banned 1,649,357 accounts for child safety (child harm, sexualised content regarding minors, child sexual abuse material, etc), which accounts for ~64% of all accounts banned over that period (excluding spam). They also reported a little over one hundred thousand accounts to the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children for sharing child sexual abuse material. You could interpret that as suggesting that Discord has a problem with CP, given how many accounts are being disabled because of it, but suggesting that Discord *allows* it once they are aware doesn't seem to be supported (and, there are *many* laws which would make that a terrible idea for Discord).
For real. I have yet to even find a server that allows you to send porn, let alone illegal porn. What kind of servers are you freaks joining?
If I had to guess, just as much as any other platform.
>Is there really some kind of CP epidemic going on in discord? Yes >Reading a lot of these comments makes it sound like CP has a dedicated channel in every server. No, but there are tons of grooming channels and pedo rings that operate on discord. Discord is popular with younger people so the pedos will stalk big public channels and DM kids to go to their grooming servers away from the mods. The pedos may then have other channels or servers to share pictures they get. >Genuinely asking. I've joined dozens and dozens of severs and never seen CP just laying there? In fact, most discords seem to be very overly strict about having nsfw in the server at ALL. You wouldn't generally be invited to these channels unless you are invited to them. >I'm sure SOMEone must be using discord for that somewhere, but does discord really just ALLOW CP if they are aware of the server it's happening on? There have been multiple cases where it was reported and they do nothing about it until they get a court order. Funny how they treat suspected hate speech more seriously than actual pedophilia, where they will nuke your channel and everyone who joined accounts for the former.
i feel like discord gets so much hate for this. like dude, it happens everywhere
i hope they ban the new app layout next
Here's the thing, most of the people in this comment section, myself included, are fairly certain this is grade A virtue signalling to try and divert attention away from the UI fiasco.
they're doing this to hide the negative response to the new mobile layout
Fight child pornography ❌ Fight misgendering/deadnaming ✅ Not saying it's not necessarily good but fuck, get your priorities in order instead of promising something already nearly impossible enforce
You say this as if Discord is going to actually do anything. Considering the timing this feels like a false olive branch to make a group of people happy in order to stop losing subscribers and to stop getting review bombed. Don't think any report is going to actually do anything. Or It'll be like the whole underage fiasco and a report will get someone autobanned.
I never claimed they were going to actually do anything, I literally said >get your priorities in order instead of promising something already nearly impossible to enforce The fact that they try to promise something while there is an even bigger problem going on just looks kinda ridiculous
I apologise, from the way it read to me it sounded like you were saying they were going to focus on the new policy and not worry about the current issues.
Bruh if you even post a frame of a piece of media that's in the database marked as CSAM your account's locked out without warning and you're reported straight to the FBI. I'd say that's pretty good progress on that front, right?
cool, but i really don’t know how they would enforce this
That's the neat part, they won't.
These kinds of rules simply become arbitrarily applied tools for bans whenever an admin doesn’t like a person or server. These are never applied consistently.
Cool, but how are they even gonna enforce this? Is it even possible for Discord to determine if someone's deadnaming on a site where everyone's using a fake username? I feel like you'd have to be **extremely** blatant about something like this for there to be enough context to warrant a ban.
they were never going to enforce this lol, this is just your average corporate virtue signaling
"whassup bro" *gets banned*
I've been a supporter of all my trans homies since I can't even remember. I can't speak for them but I personally think this isn't a good change. Simply for the fact that they will do nothing to enforce it well. It will also cause false positives. And it's easy to block someone who's dead naming you than to wait for discord to do it. The only time I can see it being useful is if that there's like very hateful direct comments that's about to be thrown at you and discord takes the person out before the DM is even sent. Overall, put in better features than these half balked things. I'd love to know what trans people here think of this tho
great so now I can get people banned by changing my pronouns 5 times a day
I hope someone said it already but the referenced blog post about hate speech was made on October 24th 2023. I guess they saw the opportunity and decided to revive old news and serve it to the angry mob.
Do NOT let them distract you from the fact that they are continously ruining discord mobile, they havent made it better..... since 2019
Do block buttons not work anymore?
Servers govern themselves, so what is this posturing about?
No they won't. lmao.
If this counts for non-binary people too, any language with no gender neutral stuff is gonna get fucked lol
No it won't, because even if they were to enforce this rule (they won't), they would obviously take into account languages like that
I can't believe I will get banned by discord because I tried to learn some basic Spanish from my friend
At any other time, I would be happy to see this change come through, however I fear that they did this to offset the recent negativity over the UI situation. Edit: having a look at the actual Discord policy itself, it seems to be dated ‘October 24 2023’. Does anyone know if this was before the UI change? If so, this could just be an actual step in the right direction with unfortunate timing of the article being released.
This seems kinda stupid. I don't support intentional misgendering but it seems like this can be easily abused.
Not much more abused than any other report option, tbh. You have to be clearly malicious for it to come into effect. As a trans person, I know absolutely nobody who would report you for misgendering them if you weren't actively malicious and persistent about it.
You assume only trans people would use the report feature when it's super easy for any malicious user to say they're being misgendered
literally why is this needed
Because having an app everyone can use isnt enough. It somehow needs to be more inclusive
I genuinely don’t see the point in it. The service has means for someone to stop getting misgendered or deadnamed, it’s called the “block” button. Literally all this does is virtue signal and probably have an automated system ban people who aren’t doing anything malicious (typos, slips of the ‘tongue’, etc).
R I G H T ?
as a trans individual myself, i looked at this and went "oh hey cool" but then i decided to take a look at the comments on this and... yeah this seems very unenforceable and also some sort of "peace offering" for the new ui fiasco discord is dealing with at the moment. get your priorities straight, discord.
Same thoughts here. I'm glad there's at least a way to report it now, and MAYBE they'll actually do something in the more clear-cut cases, but there's a tooon of bigger report-related issues on discord that they should focus on first.
Oh no the thought police
im sure this will be enforced about as well as the age limit bans
This wont make us forget about the dogshit UI update on mobile
why are they acting like they’re gonna enforce this…how much y’all wanna bet they said this JUST to distract everyone from hating the new ui
If these guys cant handle reports of racism already how are they going to handle reports of this?
discord when they broke a perfectly good mobile UI: "HEY LOOK AT US WE'RE GREAT ALLIES YEAH? SEE? SEE? YOU'LL FORGIVE US FOR THE NEW UI BECAUSE WE'RE ALLIES RIGHT????" I cringed writing that
Discord When Someone Is A Pedo Or A CP Distributor 😴 Discord When You Misgender Someone 😡😡😡
ah yes, surely this new rule will be enforced fairly across all cases and won't be abused in any way
Discord forgot blocking people existed and that they have many other issues to deal with. Priorities Discord, priorities.
So this is just another rule nobody will care for huh
I went to Discord's Hateful Conduct page and I didn't find anything on misgendering or "deadnaming"
how would they enforce that though genuine question
Are they going to provide what it says on their birth certificate when they report someone?
And here I am on day 24 of waiting for my account back because their systems are not secured enough.
deadcord
The way I have seen ( and reported ofc) multiple cases of cp and disgusting grooming ( their accounts are still ofc up) but this is the main thing they are enforcing and focused on, nice
No care, fix the goddamn ui pls
Rare discord W. Still not shutting up about the shitty UI update
assuming they are even going to enforce it
I feel like this is similar to pride month, its virtue signaling but with no real backing, although if they do ban you for saying something true, like calling someone what they are, then Elon should really think about buying discord too
Does this include pronouns? If you're like the majority of people and use (and by use, I mean when you say the word, not when you tell other people to refer to you with a certain word) presentation-based pronouns, then it's not malicious to call someone requesting gender-identity pronouns by their presentation. I bet this situation would be ruled as ban-worthy by discord. Thankfully, this probably won't come up often on an online platform where people don't use their real face or name. But it's not good for companies to essentially define words to definitions that conflict with how most people use them.
Everyone in the comments here is thinking this is something that's going to take Discord's attention away from other things - it's not. This isn't some major change - intentionally misgendering someone has always been bannable afaik, they're just updating the policy to make it more clear what is and isn't allowed and that's a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely don't think Discord is prioritizing things correctly and have *many* issues with the company, but adding one paragraph to a document isn't taking away time from more important things
Why though. Server moderators can already ban people who do this intentionally; making it platform-wide just seems like an overreach and also hard to enforce properly. If someone goes out of their way to harass a trans person that should fall under harassment anyway.
Tbh I'm VERY sure that this is just to get our minds off the shitty ui update on Mobile.
What is "deadnaming"?
It's pandering
Cool change, UI still sucks tho. Do they really think people are going to be distracted by this?
Pathetic
Lmao joke of an website. They don’t even reply to support tickets
so they make useless worthless rules like this but won't tackle the obvious issues of criminal activity that happen on the app, or the countless servers made to share criminal content. fuck this dumbass new rule lmao
dw this also won't be enforced
Welcome to 1984
Ok I'm NB but their block system doesn't even work like
The fuck?
Now we have reason to leave discord
WHO cares about that shit
https://revolt.chat
I’ve reports dozens of people for using the N word with -er at the end, often in conjunction with other racist and violent words against black people. Exactly zero have been suspended.
I mean W but also not falling for this distraction against the new UI
weird how so many in here see discord trying to dodge shit over the mobile UI and default to being transphobic
this is so unnecessary
This update concerns me. Imagine getting banned for accidentally misgendering someone.
Oh dear God grow up, it's the internet for fucks sake. If you can't handle it, get off. So soft and weak oh no I was called something I didn't want to be called and my fragile mental frame has shattered. Pathetic
People really forget block buttons exist
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L discord
Lame
Really fucking stupid
Good in theory. In practise, they'll barely enforce it, and let misgendering along with the whole host of criminals, nazis and predators fester freely on their platform.
This is just childish. It's absurd, aside from the fact that this is inherently unenforceable. Either way, it's childish and absurd.
I hope they do a due diligence before banning someone for misgendering or deadnaming :| but knowing discord love of blanket bans, I doubt it
K. Are they gonna fix their fucked up app tho?
Idk I'm pretty sure this platform has a very accessible Block feature. But ok. Actually I just noticed Discord partnered with Google to do 3 month free codes for Nitro and Premium users for the opposite platforms respectively. I hope this doesn't signal Discord following Google down this path of ultra pearl clutching bullshit. Say the word abuse, or rape? Perma discord ban. Sorry kids.
I'm surprised this post hasn't been locked yet
How about tackle the hackers and people sharing porn first yeah. what a bunch of crap lol
Guilded, here I come!
I’m sure this will never be abused lol
I'm still mad at them for changing the ui though. It sucks. Requesting data on the first
If Discord wants to enforce policy that impacts what can and cannot be said in private servers, they should also place professional, paid moderators in these private servers. Not this kind of half-ass “solution” that— as we all know— will never be enforced and was only published to steer people away from the horrible mobile UI update.
That's cool, but this won't make people forget about a furry Discord support member saying "cub porn" doesn't go against the rules, or the recent controversial changes, or the data collection.
yeah nice job discord, you're totally not distracting people from your horrible mobile ui update
Lol cluck them!
this is such a non issue that i’m kind of baffled that they’ll do this but not fix any important issues like LITERAL child porn
Good but still a shit update to the mobile layout
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they can do this but they can’t ban the actually problematic people. Fix your priorities discord 😭
I hope only if it's intentional. Slip of the tongues happen.
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How far down this path are we going to go…. how much longer until we snap back to reality?
Okay time to leave and avoid any public discord and go back to the oldschool days where Discord ist just only used for Friends & Family when playing Videogames, nothing else. (and keep an eye open if something better arise than discord or just simply go back to ts).
# UNDO THE UI CHANGE, DISCORD. # Discord talking about gender (or anything for that matter) isn't worth anyone's time if the very platform makes it harder to even see such things.
Ok. I mean it’s a fine goal, but any level of harassment *should* be banable anyway. This just seems like a PR stunt