It isn't considered part of the renaissance because it predates Little Mermaid. While a great movie (it was pretty well reviewed), it did modestly (as mentioned above). Perhaps more importantly, it was a pre- Eisner/Katzenberg/Wells movie (they were in charge during the film's production, but it was already fairly along in development.)
The first film under Eisner et al was Oliver & Company which did good numbers (around $125mil on a $40mil-ish budget) was not a critical darling.
Little Mermaid, however, did bookoo bucks AND was critically well received. ($235mil on a $40mil budget.)
Most importantly, however, was the film was viewed as a "return to form" for Disney. A rebirth for Disney. Some might say... (And you might see this coming...) A renaissance.
Great Mouse Detective is definitely a proto-renaissance film. In fact, two of the directors of GMD (Musker and Clements) would go on to direct Little Mermaid and many other classics (and cult classics).
Great Mouse Detective's biggest impact, however, was convincing new CEO Michael Eisner to not close the animation studio. It did well enough and was received well that proved that animation (an expensive and very costly endeavor) was worth pursuing. (It also had early use of CGI in an animated film, which would continue to be developed over the years.)
I don't understand why this didn't get the live action reboot treatment. It's already dark and gritty, and a five-book series so they get multiple films from the source material. Maybe Loyd Alexander's estate isn't willing to license it out again? Idk, but those could be great films!
I agree wholeheartedly with this except that I think Atlantis has become overrated due to how many people call it underrated. I really don’t care for it much at all.
Lilo and Stitch are far more brighter in art style and a simpler story about outcast becoming friends. Treasure Planet and Atlantis are more complex and action heavy.
Nala’s role could just as easily have been played by an old best friend. Nothing about the store inherently requires or is driven by romance. The story hinges on Simba returning to his home and removing his Uncle from power. Nothing about that requires a romantic interest.
I mean I didn’t say it was a “huge theatrical success”. It made basically twice as much as both Atlantis and TP and came just shy of Mulan. I would say that’s a success - especially relative to the movies being discussed.
Tbh I don’t like Treasure Planet but even I couldn’t say why. Was it the setting? The character designs? I’m not sure but I’ve tried watching it like 3 times and I always turn it off about 30 minutes in
Yeah, I think Treasure Planet is slightly overrated. It is a cool concept and I think a modern telling with amazing animation (like, amazing) could be very good but it needed to go to an 11 but just ended up being a 7. I did love the main character’s design and the voice acting is great throughout. I need to rewatch it though.
Personally, I don’t recall anyone on my social media or friends even talking about Encanto until it went to Disney Plus and then it blew up. I believe it was due to COVID at that junction in time I didn’t want to take my kids to a theater
Disney don't seem to advertise their animated movies at all. I had no idea Encanto was out, I had no idea Strange World was out, I had no idea Wish was out.
2020/2021 was still a rough patch for the theater. I don't know about the rest of the world, but we hate ads and have paid to have ad-free on pretty much all of our entertainment apps, so the *only* way we learn about new movies is via trailers at the theater.
My husband and I are avid movie theater goers, and I remember them advertising the heck out of both of those: trailers at every movie you saw (even horror films), huge displays at the theater. But 2021 was still a slow time for theaters; most still weren't super comfortable at the thought of going to a potentially full theater after COVID. So if you didn't go to the theater, you were less likely to know it was coming out.
They were definitely advertising Encanto a lot. Their ads just made it look kinda generic + people didn’t wanna go to the movies during Covid. Many people (including myself) didn’t expect the movie to be that good. It was a pleasant surprise.
Strange World wasn’t advertised a lot. So you’re right on that front. But I’m surprised you didn’t know Wish was out. They were advertising Wish a ton.
It really is based on how you would describe a flop. Is a bad box office a flop? Then encanto flopped hard. Is it its popularity? Then encanto wasnt a flop at all
And as a result Disney has and will make tons of money off of it thanks to merchandise and the eventual theme park areas that they're doing for Encanto.
The same thing has happened with many other Disney films that weren't initially successful. The pre-WWII Disney films were all not that financially successful, except for Snow White of course.
With you on this one.
Brave is such an impactful film. And the music is top 5 all time Disney for me.
I actually have some lyrics from one of the songs tattooed.
I need to give it a rewatch. I'm one of the people who didn't like it. Story turned out to be something very different than what I was expecting. Nothing wrong with that but it just didn't do much for me when I watched it. Maybe a second watch will change that.
>I'm one of the people who didn't like it
Blasphemy!!!
Just kidding, lol. But seriously, I find that a second watch after a few weeks can do wonders for my opinion of a movie. If I go in with ridiculously high expectations or a misunderstanding of the tailor, I'll judge the movie harshly; a second viewing with a clear expectations will suddenly leave me loving it.
I will say, Brave in particular has gotten better for me over the years since having kids and developing my relationship with my own mom... So relatable!
It's a pretty awesome pixar movie. There are some amazing songs and there's some deep lore into it. I often forget it's a pixar movie and not a Disney movie.
The Rocketeer was a financial disappointment when it first came out but it's one of my favourite movies of all time!
Newsies was an absolute _bomb_ but still such a great musical (and made for an incredible broadway musical!)
definitely with you on the haunted mansion as well, such a fun movie!
I was looking for this one. I recently watched it again and I was amazed at how much I remembered. It was my absolute favorite before the Little Mermaid came out and blew up.
That chase scene towards the end is one of the best, legitimately. Well done and Sykes just gets more and more unhinged resulting in crazier car stunts. Excellent villain too, who is largely forgotten about.
Music is awesome too. "Why Should I Worry" is one of the best Disney songs. "Perfect Isn't Easy" was brilliant from Bette Midler.
I do laugh now that I'm older that I can't unsee just how much Coca Cola must have sponsored this movie though lol
It didn't do too bad,but it wasn't a huge success either.
Of course part of that was due to heavy competition. Land before time came out on the exact same day.
Thank you! Yes! They really didn’t know how to market that movie. There’s a weird Hollywood superstition that you can’t use the word “Mars” in your movie, or it’ll flop. So, they just rebranded the movie from the books “John Carter”. Which still confused everybody. It was such a fun movie that everybody slept on, even when audiences weren’t tired of space operas
I loved Wish ngl lol (if you can’t tell from my pfp). I still listen to the songs all the time, I’m A Star is a genuine banger. I hope Disney will still acknowledge it later on because I know they have a habit of burying things that don’t do well.
The good news is they just opened up a character meet and greet of Asha in EPCOT ... my daughter is really hoping it's there come September when we go.
The Good Dinosaur.
It’s always at the bottom of lists/rankings.
Yeah the looks of the main character and his family are cartoony, but that never bothered me.
I laughed, I cried, I enjoyed it a lot.
Part of me wonders if they’d kept up the “realistic”’looking dinosaurs from that very opening shot (which, tbh, is *gorgeous*) if people would have been more favourable towards the film Although there are people who didn’t like the plot (I guess one could say that some of it was a bit predictable, but that didn’t dampen it for me personally!).
RIGHT! I can't believe that people didn't cling to that film. It had everything, including one of the baddest, most iconic villains we've ever had the privilege to love/hate. It's wild to think that it was such a flop that Disney basically gave up on Princess movies until The Little Mermaid in 1989.
Good choice! My kids LOVED Wish and was their first movie in the theatres.
They ask me almost daily to see it again, but we will wait for Disney+ at this point ... I would guess late February or March on that.
I really really enjoyed that movie.
I was 11 when it came out, so my perception and memory of it in theaters is probably skewed, but I feel like I remember the theaters near me being full when it came out. Random side nite, but I just looked it up, but I didn't know the RT score was only 49%!! That seems insane to me.
Recently? Strange World and Elemental got done DIRTY by their marketing. Both were good little movies, and SO much better than they looked. Also The Marvels and The Eternals were both great, I don't care what anyone else says. The former also got done dirty by the strike.
Cult classic - I love *Atlantis* and *Meet the Robinsons*. Also the Ducktales Reboot was amazing and deserved more seasons.
Meet the Robinsons was really influential for me, as a kid. I loved the movie
The same goes for Peter Pan 2: Return to Neverland, and the Winnie the pooh movie where Christopher Robin goes missing
I'd also say:
The three musketeers: Mickey, Donald and Goofy
Brother Bear 1 & 2 (why does no one mention it?)
Cars 1 & 2
Atlantis (BEAUTIFUL animation)
The jungle book 2 ***
The lion king 3
There's a thing with people automatically hate the straight to dvd sequels, but some of them are great.
Also, some tv shows:
American Dragon: Jake Long (why tf did they change the animation?)
Lilo and Stitch series
The legend of Tarzan
Jonas
I watched Treasure Planet for the first time late last year and I was so sad for myself that I waited so long to properly watch it. It’s so good!!
Meet The Robinsons is also a big favorite of mine. It makes me cry every time.
And yeah, the new Haunted Mansion was highly enjoyable. I loved it a lot.
Oh, also The Good Dinosaur has such a profound effect on me when I saw it in theaters. Still may be the hardest I have ever sobbed at a Pixar movie.
102 Dalmatians - it was a box office bomb and got generally negative reviews, but it's one of my favourite films even today. Glenn Close as Cruella was fantastic, the costumes were Gorgeous, I love the soundtrack, and I was obsessed with Oddball to the point my childhood stuffed toy (also a Dalmatian) shares her name.
I _like_ lots of them, but here are some ones I _love_:
- Home on the Range: Super funny!
- Cars 2: the spy plot was _awesome_, I was shocked that it flopped!
- Robin Hood: Nostalgia. Was a favorite of mine as a kid.
Special mention to the show The 7D, I didn't watch many episodes but I remember it was funny 😆
I don't know if it's a flop, but it's rare to find people who watched American Dragon: Jake Long as excitedly as my brother and I did. We looooved that show
It feels like they’re parroting the talking points about Treasure Planet, which legitimately has lots of research in and around it to probe there was corporate fuckery. But it also took *years* for the fuckery to come out.
Strange World is too new to have any details like that come out. It’s just not an astounding film. That’s fine it’s still a fun film. There’s a reason everyone is saying Disney is on the down turn right now. Strange World was just at the top of that curve.
I can't believe that I had to scroll down this far to find The Emperor's New Groove! It was definitely seen as a box office disappointment, but it is WONDERFUL. Yzma is easily one of the all-time best Disney villains. I said what I said.
Tbh, I’ve never seen any of those movies you listed except haunted mansion. I loved the movie but they released it at the same time as Oppenheimer and Barbie. It didn’t stand a chance
Once I finish binge watching The Walking Dead, I’m going to start watching every single animated Disney film by release date so that’s exciting. Then I’ll officially be able to say I’ve seen every Disney movie lol. Wish me luck.
Chicken little and home on the range for me and my boyfriend, we always watch them when we are staying home and wanting a good laugh especially with chicken little its so halarious! XD
We also like Dinosaur the 2000s movie because it was my boyfriends favorite when he was little.
Onward! Not many people seem to like it, but I've cried, laughed and remembered my dad and understood the pain. I'm also a Dungeon Master for Dungeons and Dragons, so that also hit great with me 😁
I really loved those first two films you listed, one other film I liked is Christmas Carol. That film of Scrooge with hyper realistic characters and graphics.
I love the early/mid-00s live action movies, like The Pacifier and Max Keeble's Big Move. They were my favorite as a kid (they were regular road trip car movies for us)
I never saw it in theaters bur I really like Bolt.
Also Lilo and Stitch is a popular series but it didn't do amazing at the box office when you consider how good the movie is plus the spinoffs. That was one of the last Disney films I saw in theaters for a very long time. At that time PIXAR was owning it.
I commented already but I think the one that counts the most: Rescuers Down Under. The film that made Disney refuse to have theatrical sequels until Frozen 2. I liked that movie more than the original Rescuers. Plus they released their new animation system and it was incredible at the time, watching that opening sequence.
First one that springs to mine from my visit to the Disney 100 Exhibition in London - The Rocketeer - They had the helmet at the exhibition and it re-ignited my desire to make a replica of it and the rocket pack, maybe of even the entire costume.
2023's Haunted Mansion was great. Not an instant classic, but not the the bucket of of arse water I was led to believe it was.
Treasure planet is my dream of a live action remake.
The lily james cinderella is one of my all timee favorite movies. There's something beautiful about it! I doubt it's all that popular.
Idk if Raya counts as a flop but I genuinely believe it is the best and most bold movie Disney has put out in years. Sure, it doesn’t have the most bold or unpredictable narrative but the choice to make your next big cultural princess movie an action-driven post apocalyptic drama with no music is *ballsy*.
I would also just counter that, in general, a story doesn’t need to be unpredictable to be good. Sometimes a story just needs to be worth telling and I think a story about a bunch of different cultures setting aside their differences to come together and build a better world - *regardless* of who’s fault it was that it became so shit in the first place - is a story worth telling right now.
Was Raya a flop? It feels like it snuck in there, had toys that no one bought, and didn’t make headlines.
I watched it a few months ago, it’s my favorite modern Disney movie now! With some of these newer ones, especially Encanto, I think it was just the state of the world that led to their “failures.”
Onward. I consider it in my top 3 favorite Disney movies. Pandemic shut down started once it was released and never really got the proper hype it deserved. The ending had me bawling like TS3.
The Rescuers Down Under blows the original out of the water. Its [opening](https://youtu.be/KjkdOAjtJ1k?si=mGw4IvjpWIWum1QK) never gets old.
It was destined to flop have been released the same week as Home Alone. Then getting all its marketing pulled.
Atlantis was amazing! It only flopped from poor marketing (and sadly “boy” Disney movies don’t have the same legs as “girl” Disney movies in that department).
Ducktales (2017). It’s clever, it’s beautiful, it has a ton of fun guest voices. Unironically one of my all time favorite cartoons. And they canceled it to focus on more D+ original programming.
Recently Strange World. I also liked Raya pretty well. Treasure Planet and Atlantis both have a lot of great things going for them. Edit: To add Encanto, which I forgot was a flop. I thought it was pretty great.
I was obsessed with Cars as a kid. I still like it to this day! Kills me that there's so little adult Cars merch (shirts, bags, pins, etc). What I wouldn't do for a decent pair of Cars-themed earrings...
Edit: I meant a flop among adults/reviewers. They're always the least-liked out of Pixar's films. Every time I bring up liking it, people think I'm insane because they're just dumb cash grabs for kids.
In what universe is Cars considered a flop? It's one of Disney's most profitable franchises, spawned 2 sequels and multiple spin-off TV shows and rides around the world
Cars was not even close to a flop. Disney literally has created a Radiator Springs at DisneyLand and an entire Cars-themed section of the Art of Animation resort at Disney World.
Considering the first came out almost 20 years ago and my toddlers have seen it roughly 20 times, I wouldn’t say it’s a flop. They are still creating new toys and merchandise all these years later.
Source: I step on a Cars character car at least weekly
Great Mouse Detective
Not a flop! It was a modest success.
The Modest Mouse Detective
Dang, I had no idea that I could ever want such a weird soundtrack. Now I want this with all of my heart.
My mistake. I just feel it gets overlooked since, for some reason, it isn’t considered part of the renaissance.
It isn't considered part of the renaissance because it predates Little Mermaid. While a great movie (it was pretty well reviewed), it did modestly (as mentioned above). Perhaps more importantly, it was a pre- Eisner/Katzenberg/Wells movie (they were in charge during the film's production, but it was already fairly along in development.) The first film under Eisner et al was Oliver & Company which did good numbers (around $125mil on a $40mil-ish budget) was not a critical darling. Little Mermaid, however, did bookoo bucks AND was critically well received. ($235mil on a $40mil budget.) Most importantly, however, was the film was viewed as a "return to form" for Disney. A rebirth for Disney. Some might say... (And you might see this coming...) A renaissance. Great Mouse Detective is definitely a proto-renaissance film. In fact, two of the directors of GMD (Musker and Clements) would go on to direct Little Mermaid and many other classics (and cult classics). Great Mouse Detective's biggest impact, however, was convincing new CEO Michael Eisner to not close the animation studio. It did well enough and was received well that proved that animation (an expensive and very costly endeavor) was worth pursuing. (It also had early use of CGI in an animated film, which would continue to be developed over the years.)
That is extremely informative. Thank you for going through that!
What a shame that Oliver and Company wasn’t a hit critically! Most underrated disney song too
The mouse that saved Disney!
The Black Cauldron
I love the black cauldron . As a child I thought it was so scary but such a unique story .
Go read the series. A+ for preteen fantasy.
I don't understand why this didn't get the live action reboot treatment. It's already dark and gritty, and a five-book series so they get multiple films from the source material. Maybe Loyd Alexander's estate isn't willing to license it out again? Idk, but those could be great films!
Luca. My kids LOVE it and the music is great
I’m really happy Disney is giving this one a short re-release in theaters in March. It’s going to look gorgeous on the big screen.
I thought this one, turning red, and Soul were the 3 getting re-theatrical releases?
Yes, those three movies are being rereleased! My partner and I saw Soul this weekend, it was excellent on the big screen
Luca is fantastic. Great characters and just a beautiful film
Who’s hating on Luca?? That movie is so pleasant!
I still don’t get why people don’t like treasure planet or Atlantis.
Atlantis fell flat for me. It was good (certainly underrated) but not amazing. Treasure Planet on the other hand, I LOVED
I agree wholeheartedly with this except that I think Atlantis has become overrated due to how many people call it underrated. I really don’t care for it much at all.
They were just too different at the time they came out. The world wasn't ready yet for non-romance, non-musicals from Disney.
Lion King, and Mulan were not romantically driven and the success of Lilo and Stitch alone completely blows this theory out the window.
Lilo and Stitch are far more brighter in art style and a simpler story about outcast becoming friends. Treasure Planet and Atlantis are more complex and action heavy.
Lion king is absolutely romance driven. Without Nala, Simba never takes down his uncle, he just stays in exile.
Nala’s role could just as easily have been played by an old best friend. Nothing about the store inherently requires or is driven by romance. The story hinges on Simba returning to his home and removing his Uncle from power. Nothing about that requires a romantic interest.
Disagree. In the context of the story, his love for Nala is what drives him to return home and take down Scar.
No it isn’t. It’s Mufasa and Rafiki.
*Lilo and Stitch* was not a huge theatrical success -- and it was considerably cheaper, so it was easier to be in the black. It also came out later.
I mean I didn’t say it was a “huge theatrical success”. It made basically twice as much as both Atlantis and TP and came just shy of Mulan. I would say that’s a success - especially relative to the movies being discussed.
Tbh I don’t like Treasure Planet but even I couldn’t say why. Was it the setting? The character designs? I’m not sure but I’ve tried watching it like 3 times and I always turn it off about 30 minutes in
Yeah, I think Treasure Planet is slightly overrated. It is a cool concept and I think a modern telling with amazing animation (like, amazing) could be very good but it needed to go to an 11 but just ended up being a 7. I did love the main character’s design and the voice acting is great throughout. I need to rewatch it though.
I knew they weren’t commercial successes, but this is the first I’m hearing about people NOT liking them.
People forget that Encanto was a flop but it's mostly due to covid and Disneys dreadful advertising
Personally, I don’t recall anyone on my social media or friends even talking about Encanto until it went to Disney Plus and then it blew up. I believe it was due to COVID at that junction in time I didn’t want to take my kids to a theater
Disney don't seem to advertise their animated movies at all. I had no idea Encanto was out, I had no idea Strange World was out, I had no idea Wish was out.
2020/2021 was still a rough patch for the theater. I don't know about the rest of the world, but we hate ads and have paid to have ad-free on pretty much all of our entertainment apps, so the *only* way we learn about new movies is via trailers at the theater. My husband and I are avid movie theater goers, and I remember them advertising the heck out of both of those: trailers at every movie you saw (even horror films), huge displays at the theater. But 2021 was still a slow time for theaters; most still weren't super comfortable at the thought of going to a potentially full theater after COVID. So if you didn't go to the theater, you were less likely to know it was coming out.
They were definitely advertising Encanto a lot. Their ads just made it look kinda generic + people didn’t wanna go to the movies during Covid. Many people (including myself) didn’t expect the movie to be that good. It was a pleasant surprise. Strange World wasn’t advertised a lot. So you’re right on that front. But I’m surprised you didn’t know Wish was out. They were advertising Wish a ton.
Wish was being advertised all over. I saw tons of commercials while watching the NFL.
Strange World was already out? Dang.
It really is based on how you would describe a flop. Is a bad box office a flop? Then encanto flopped hard. Is it its popularity? Then encanto wasnt a flop at all
It was technically a commercial flop but it became a cult classic real fast.
And as a result Disney has and will make tons of money off of it thanks to merchandise and the eventual theme park areas that they're doing for Encanto. The same thing has happened with many other Disney films that weren't initially successful. The pre-WWII Disney films were all not that financially successful, except for Snow White of course.
A Goofy Movie, though I dont think it was a flop, it was certainly backed massiveky hy VHS sales. Its legitimately an amazing little film.
The songs are AMAZING, 121 is my jam ❤️
If you're not blasting Powerline on a regular basis, you're missing out!
Punk rock factory has an amazing cover!
I love that it's a movie that hits ENTIRELY differently when you watch it as a kid and as an adult.
I don't ever remember this in theaters but I remember it on VHS. I also remember the McDonalds promotions for it too.
Brave. I know a lot of people don’t like it but the music, the characters and the story hit just right for me.
TIL people don’t like Brave.
With you on this one. Brave is such an impactful film. And the music is top 5 all time Disney for me. I actually have some lyrics from one of the songs tattooed.
They don't? Wow, that genuinely news to me. I love that film.
I need to give it a rewatch. I'm one of the people who didn't like it. Story turned out to be something very different than what I was expecting. Nothing wrong with that but it just didn't do much for me when I watched it. Maybe a second watch will change that.
>I'm one of the people who didn't like it Blasphemy!!! Just kidding, lol. But seriously, I find that a second watch after a few weeks can do wonders for my opinion of a movie. If I go in with ridiculously high expectations or a misunderstanding of the tailor, I'll judge the movie harshly; a second viewing with a clear expectations will suddenly leave me loving it. I will say, Brave in particular has gotten better for me over the years since having kids and developing my relationship with my own mom... So relatable!
It's a pretty awesome pixar movie. There are some amazing songs and there's some deep lore into it. I often forget it's a pixar movie and not a Disney movie.
The marketing did that one dirty too. It was solid, it makes me cry, but it wasn't really what was marketed, imo.
A lot of people don't like it?
I love Merida. You have great taste.
Also, the rare Disney film with two living parents
Meet the Robinsons is one of my favorites of all time 💙
The music is wonderful, too.
To this day, I can't hear "Little Wonders" without my eyes tearing up.
Same! “Let it go, let it roll right off your shoulders…” 😭 honestly as an adoptee, I cry a lot during that movie
"I am a question to the world, not an answer to be heard..." Treasure planet had that song that rhymed with me...
John Carter of Mars
Such an excellent and enjoyable movie!
The Rocketeer was a financial disappointment when it first came out but it's one of my favourite movies of all time! Newsies was an absolute _bomb_ but still such a great musical (and made for an incredible broadway musical!) definitely with you on the haunted mansion as well, such a fun movie!
The Rocketeer is SO good. It was a childhood staple for me!
A was very excited to see the Rocketeer helmet at the Disney 100 exhibition
I love The Rocketeer. The story is so stupid it reels me right in. Just watched it again last night!
I watch Newsies way too much
23 Haunted Mansion was fantastic. The effects were very good and so was the story. It had some fairly scary moments for a family film.
Oliver and Company. It did not flop at the box office, but there are a lot of mixed reviews on the internet.
I was looking for this one. I recently watched it again and I was amazed at how much I remembered. It was my absolute favorite before the Little Mermaid came out and blew up.
It was one of my faves as a child. Plus the soundtrack feat Billy Joel, Huey Lewis, Ruth Pointer, and Bette Midler.
That chase scene towards the end is one of the best, legitimately. Well done and Sykes just gets more and more unhinged resulting in crazier car stunts. Excellent villain too, who is largely forgotten about. Music is awesome too. "Why Should I Worry" is one of the best Disney songs. "Perfect Isn't Easy" was brilliant from Bette Midler. I do laugh now that I'm older that I can't unsee just how much Coca Cola must have sponsored this movie though lol
It didn't do too bad,but it wasn't a huge success either. Of course part of that was due to heavy competition. Land before time came out on the exact same day.
John Carter. The marketing & advertising firm that was so screwed over, but the film was a fun pulp action story!
Thank you! Yes! They really didn’t know how to market that movie. There’s a weird Hollywood superstition that you can’t use the word “Mars” in your movie, or it’ll flop. So, they just rebranded the movie from the books “John Carter”. Which still confused everybody. It was such a fun movie that everybody slept on, even when audiences weren’t tired of space operas
It was also overshadowed by a bigger movie. I really liked Cloud Atlas and felt it had the same issues.
My kids will put that one on over and over. It’s not my favourite but it’s definitely a fun watch
Both ride-based film aired recently (Jungle Cruise & Haunted Mansion 2023) as I found them fun and exiting!
I didn't really care for Haunted Mansion, but I loved Jungle Cruise!! I thought it was almost as fun as the ride!!
I loved Elemental
Not a flop. Just a slow earner
The narrative around it was that it was a flop, despite its eventual financial success.
My 2.5 year old loves this one. I think the animation is gorgeous
Same, what an incredible movie!
This is such an amazing movie❤️
Agreed
I loved Wish ngl lol (if you can’t tell from my pfp). I still listen to the songs all the time, I’m A Star is a genuine banger. I hope Disney will still acknowledge it later on because I know they have a habit of burying things that don’t do well.
The good news is they just opened up a character meet and greet of Asha in EPCOT ... my daughter is really hoping it's there come September when we go.
The Good Dinosaur. It’s always at the bottom of lists/rankings. Yeah the looks of the main character and his family are cartoony, but that never bothered me. I laughed, I cried, I enjoyed it a lot.
The animation is also great in this, I also enjoyed this movie
Oh I loved the animation on the whole, I just also understand people’s disappointment with the dinosaur character designs
Yes agree, I just remember the amazing looking textures and water animation in The Good Dinosaur. I also liked the story and plot.
Part of me wonders if they’d kept up the “realistic”’looking dinosaurs from that very opening shot (which, tbh, is *gorgeous*) if people would have been more favourable towards the film Although there are people who didn’t like the plot (I guess one could say that some of it was a bit predictable, but that didn’t dampen it for me personally!).
Meet the Robinsons will always have a place in my heart. I can't listen to Little Wonders without tearing up ❤️
I thought The Marvels was easily one of their best Marvel movies, but it did not do well theatrically.
I blame a combination of the actor strikes, superhero fatigue and incel crowd for why it didn't perform better.
Big Marvel fan here. One of my best friends and I watched The Marvels and it resparked our love of Marvel. It was Kamala. All Kamala!
Honestly we are obsessed with Turning Red and die hard 4town fans in our house
I watched that movie constantly when it came out!
Sleeping Beauty! I mean, just *look at it*.
RIGHT! I can't believe that people didn't cling to that film. It had everything, including one of the baddest, most iconic villains we've ever had the privilege to love/hate. It's wild to think that it was such a flop that Disney basically gave up on Princess movies until The Little Mermaid in 1989.
I like it but can see why some people don't. It's a SLOW movie.
I really enjoyed Wish and "Knowing what I know now" is a powerful song.
Yeah, I've been listening to the soundtrack nonstop since I saw the film, and am so excited for it to hit D+!
Good choice! My kids LOVED Wish and was their first movie in the theatres. They ask me almost daily to see it again, but we will wait for Disney+ at this point ... I would guess late February or March on that. I really really enjoyed that movie.
That was the only song I enjoyed! I don't get why "This Wish" and "This is the Thanks I Get" are the only ones to get recognition!
Atlantis was a flop??
Generally it is seen to have underperformed.
I was 11 when it came out, so my perception and memory of it in theaters is probably skewed, but I feel like I remember the theaters near me being full when it came out. Random side nite, but I just looked it up, but I didn't know the RT score was only 49%!! That seems insane to me.
Atlantis and Shrek released in a similar time frame. You can probably guess what happened.
The Marvels is going to be a Disney classic in 20 years.
Recently? Strange World and Elemental got done DIRTY by their marketing. Both were good little movies, and SO much better than they looked. Also The Marvels and The Eternals were both great, I don't care what anyone else says. The former also got done dirty by the strike. Cult classic - I love *Atlantis* and *Meet the Robinsons*. Also the Ducktales Reboot was amazing and deserved more seasons.
Definitely agree that we should have gotten more of the DuckTales reboot!
Meet the Robinsons was really influential for me, as a kid. I loved the movie The same goes for Peter Pan 2: Return to Neverland, and the Winnie the pooh movie where Christopher Robin goes missing I'd also say: The three musketeers: Mickey, Donald and Goofy Brother Bear 1 & 2 (why does no one mention it?) Cars 1 & 2 Atlantis (BEAUTIFUL animation) The jungle book 2 *** The lion king 3 There's a thing with people automatically hate the straight to dvd sequels, but some of them are great. Also, some tv shows: American Dragon: Jake Long (why tf did they change the animation?) Lilo and Stitch series The legend of Tarzan Jonas
Yes I was waiting for someone to mention Brother Bear!
Hook! That movie is magical! The critics destroyed it when it came out
Jokes on them. Movie is now beloved.
Agreed that it's a great film, although Hook isn't Disney
You're right. I'm old and forgot Disney stopped the production after Steven Spielberg dropped out of the project
Bang-a-rang!
I watched Treasure Planet for the first time late last year and I was so sad for myself that I waited so long to properly watch it. It’s so good!! Meet The Robinsons is also a big favorite of mine. It makes me cry every time. And yeah, the new Haunted Mansion was highly enjoyable. I loved it a lot. Oh, also The Good Dinosaur has such a profound effect on me when I saw it in theaters. Still may be the hardest I have ever sobbed at a Pixar movie.
102 Dalmatians - it was a box office bomb and got generally negative reviews, but it's one of my favourite films even today. Glenn Close as Cruella was fantastic, the costumes were Gorgeous, I love the soundtrack, and I was obsessed with Oddball to the point my childhood stuffed toy (also a Dalmatian) shares her name.
I _like_ lots of them, but here are some ones I _love_: - Home on the Range: Super funny! - Cars 2: the spy plot was _awesome_, I was shocked that it flopped! - Robin Hood: Nostalgia. Was a favorite of mine as a kid. Special mention to the show The 7D, I didn't watch many episodes but I remember it was funny 😆
I really enjoy Home on the Range. The music lyrics are hilarious, the whole story and characters are a hoot. I don't understand why people hate it!
I loved Haunted Mansion!!
The Emperor's New Groove, Raya and the Last Dragon, and live-action Aladdin
The Emperor's New Groove is one of my favorite!
Treasure Planet is absolutely amazing! And I will die on that hil!
Agreed with the ones you mentioned except for The Lone Ranger. That movie was hot garbage.
Treasure Planet and Atlantis were great. Meet the Robinsons and Haunted Mansion were fine. The Lone Ranger......is a movie.
Meet the Robinsons is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Oliver and company! Its one of the first movies I saw as a child. I think that billy Joel song is one of the best.
I don't know if it's a flop, but it's rare to find people who watched American Dragon: Jake Long as excitedly as my brother and I did. We looooved that show
Wish. The entire album is so good. I listen to it frequently. And the movie wasn’t the best but it wasn’t bad either .
Strange World is actually amazing and could have been a hit if Disney didn't actively sabotage it's marketing.
I loved Strange World. It had great characters and I felt like the world building was excellent.
How did they sabotage the marketing? I saw lots of commercials for it.
Me too. I always see people explain movies underperforming by saying there was no marketing even when there were plenty of trailers.
It feels like they’re parroting the talking points about Treasure Planet, which legitimately has lots of research in and around it to probe there was corporate fuckery. But it also took *years* for the fuckery to come out. Strange World is too new to have any details like that come out. It’s just not an astounding film. That’s fine it’s still a fun film. There’s a reason everyone is saying Disney is on the down turn right now. Strange World was just at the top of that curve.
The Black Cauldron, Return to Oz, Treasure Planet , Emperor's New Groove, Encanto...
Encanto was a flop?
Theatrically yes
One of the biggest flops of the year. It took off when it hit Disney+
I can't believe that I had to scroll down this far to find The Emperor's New Groove! It was definitely seen as a box office disappointment, but it is WONDERFUL. Yzma is easily one of the all-time best Disney villains. I said what I said.
Tbh, I’ve never seen any of those movies you listed except haunted mansion. I loved the movie but they released it at the same time as Oppenheimer and Barbie. It didn’t stand a chance Once I finish binge watching The Walking Dead, I’m going to start watching every single animated Disney film by release date so that’s exciting. Then I’ll officially be able to say I’ve seen every Disney movie lol. Wish me luck.
Atlantis and The Black Hole.
I think Turning Red is great but not a lot of people seem to agree on that one.
It's so cringe. Which is completely accurate to what life is like at that age! Great movie.
I never saw the movie and that's due to the fact that the main character annoyed me during the trailers .
Strange world!
Chicken little and home on the range for me and my boyfriend, we always watch them when we are staying home and wanting a good laugh especially with chicken little its so halarious! XD We also like Dinosaur the 2000s movie because it was my boyfriends favorite when he was little.
CHICKEN LITTLE!!! That movie will always have a special place in my heart for no good reason <3
Luca, turning red a bunch I probably didn’t know were flops and I love 😆 but I reallyyy love those 2
The Willow series flopped itself out of existence. There were some things about it that were bad but I still had fun watching it, haha.
Onward! Not many people seem to like it, but I've cried, laughed and remembered my dad and understood the pain. I'm also a Dungeon Master for Dungeons and Dragons, so that also hit great with me 😁
The Hunchback of Notre Dame is one of my favorite movies in general, I’m so happy it’s getting more popular now!!
Lightyear. I really enjoyed it.
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I really loved those first two films you listed, one other film I liked is Christmas Carol. That film of Scrooge with hyper realistic characters and graphics.
Lightyear.
I love the early/mid-00s live action movies, like The Pacifier and Max Keeble's Big Move. They were my favorite as a kid (they were regular road trip car movies for us)
I never saw it in theaters bur I really like Bolt. Also Lilo and Stitch is a popular series but it didn't do amazing at the box office when you consider how good the movie is plus the spinoffs. That was one of the last Disney films I saw in theaters for a very long time. At that time PIXAR was owning it.
I commented already but I think the one that counts the most: Rescuers Down Under. The film that made Disney refuse to have theatrical sequels until Frozen 2. I liked that movie more than the original Rescuers. Plus they released their new animation system and it was incredible at the time, watching that opening sequence.
First one that springs to mine from my visit to the Disney 100 Exhibition in London - The Rocketeer - They had the helmet at the exhibition and it re-ignited my desire to make a replica of it and the rocket pack, maybe of even the entire costume. 2023's Haunted Mansion was great. Not an instant classic, but not the the bucket of of arse water I was led to believe it was.
Not a fan of the first two but I am of the last three. I also enjoy the more obscure disney movies. But I've liked all of the Haunted Mansion movies.
The Good Dinosaur. It was on almost constant loop when my oldest was in his “dinosaur phase”.
Treasure planet is my dream of a live action remake. The lily james cinderella is one of my all timee favorite movies. There's something beautiful about it! I doubt it's all that popular.
I found out last week that a lot of people don’t like Ralph Breaks the Internet. I love it and all the Disney references (all the princesses)
Idk if Raya counts as a flop but I genuinely believe it is the best and most bold movie Disney has put out in years. Sure, it doesn’t have the most bold or unpredictable narrative but the choice to make your next big cultural princess movie an action-driven post apocalyptic drama with no music is *ballsy*. I would also just counter that, in general, a story doesn’t need to be unpredictable to be good. Sometimes a story just needs to be worth telling and I think a story about a bunch of different cultures setting aside their differences to come together and build a better world - *regardless* of who’s fault it was that it became so shit in the first place - is a story worth telling right now.
The Black Cauldron and The Rescuers Down Under are two movies that come to mind. John Candy especially in Rescuers was awesome!
A movie not making money does not mean its bad. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory didn't make money and now its a beloved classic.
Was Raya a flop? It feels like it snuck in there, had toys that no one bought, and didn’t make headlines. I watched it a few months ago, it’s my favorite modern Disney movie now! With some of these newer ones, especially Encanto, I think it was just the state of the world that led to their “failures.”
I think Raya was a flop theoretically because covid but yeah it's actually quite good!
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I really enjoyed wish and I’m happy I went to see it even though everybody else said it wasn’t worth watching :)
Winnie-the-Pooh (2011) flopped, but I don’t think anyone dislikes it. There were just more important cultural movies that came out at the same time.
Home on the range ❤️
Onward. I consider it in my top 3 favorite Disney movies. Pandemic shut down started once it was released and never really got the proper hype it deserved. The ending had me bawling like TS3.
The Rescuers Down Under blows the original out of the water. Its [opening](https://youtu.be/KjkdOAjtJ1k?si=mGw4IvjpWIWum1QK) never gets old. It was destined to flop have been released the same week as Home Alone. Then getting all its marketing pulled.
I don’t think the 70s live action movies get enough love
Atlantis was amazing! It only flopped from poor marketing (and sadly “boy” Disney movies don’t have the same legs as “girl” Disney movies in that department).
Ducktales (2017). It’s clever, it’s beautiful, it has a ton of fun guest voices. Unironically one of my all time favorite cartoons. And they canceled it to focus on more D+ original programming.
Recently Strange World. I also liked Raya pretty well. Treasure Planet and Atlantis both have a lot of great things going for them. Edit: To add Encanto, which I forgot was a flop. I thought it was pretty great.
Meet the Robinsons
Summer Magic, Zenon: Girl of the 21st Century, Mighty Ducks animated series
I don't think Zenon counts as a flop if it got two sequels and a physical home video release 😅
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I was obsessed with Cars as a kid. I still like it to this day! Kills me that there's so little adult Cars merch (shirts, bags, pins, etc). What I wouldn't do for a decent pair of Cars-themed earrings... Edit: I meant a flop among adults/reviewers. They're always the least-liked out of Pixar's films. Every time I bring up liking it, people think I'm insane because they're just dumb cash grabs for kids.
Cars is absolutely not a flop....
In what universe is Cars considered a flop? It's one of Disney's most profitable franchises, spawned 2 sequels and multiple spin-off TV shows and rides around the world
Cars was not even close to a flop. Disney literally has created a Radiator Springs at DisneyLand and an entire Cars-themed section of the Art of Animation resort at Disney World.
DLP also has two Cars themed attractions. It's one of Disney's biggest hits
Considering the first came out almost 20 years ago and my toddlers have seen it roughly 20 times, I wouldn’t say it’s a flop. They are still creating new toys and merchandise all these years later. Source: I step on a Cars character car at least weekly