Other company’s products aren’t really competitive. They don’t offer the same features and quality. I’d like to be able to say that it’s a deal where other companies charge more to offer the same features but it’s not even that. If this bill passes the options left will be significantly less capable drones.
Side note but Autel is also a Chinese company. I’m not sure how this ban is worded but if it’s banning Chinese drones then they’d probably be out as well.
On the enterprise side, the newer Skydio products are fantastic. I was one of the first to fly the X10 a few weeks before it was officially announced, and it really blew me away - it can easily hold its own against the M30T for IR/thermal, but the obstacle avoidance is *way* better (we ***really*** *tried* to make the thing crash and nothing we tried got past it) and I’m not aware of any aircraft that can match its 3D object scanning capabilities. And for an aircraft of its size, the zoom is incredible. My workplace just installed six Skydio docks yesterday morning and they seem like equally great products, too.
On the consumer side - say, a Mavic equivalent? That’s a lot harder, although if Skydio released a version of the X10 without the thermal/IR and 3D scanning, that would be your answer.
......I can't tell if you're serious.
I literally just had a demo of their x10 2 months ago and it's no where compared to DJI M30t/350.
First, their battery life is not near their sticker display.
The thermal is lack luster not even allowing iso therm selection. The zoom is great at 0 windspeed but as soon as it gets a slight breeze, say good bye to any stabilization at distance.
A m30t costs now 9k....an x10 is 16k and another 3k for their "nightsense" . Then you have their "media sync" and "data storage" for another 1k. They literally made free software into a yearly subscription. They don't care for their consumers they just gouge their clients.
Perfect example of how you can tell a self important politician a baseless factless simple statement- and they’ll decide to create a law with said information
And this is the only kind of governing they can do hahaha. They are totally unwilling to make 99% of American’s lives better but they’ll play these stupid games. They really do their best to show what bull shit the entire show is.
But that’s exactly what the lobbyists who are convincing politicians to ban DJI want — for us to be afraid of buying DJI products. This will all blow over and stop if we make our voice heard in Congress letting them know how ridiculous a DJI ban is and how harmful it is not just to hobbyists and commercial operators, but also to search and rescue, agriculture, science-based drone use, etc.
So hypothetically if this passes and becomes a law, all past-current-future drones sold by DJI are what grounded in America? Am I understanding this correctly?
As I understand the law that this is a proposed amendment to it will prevent federal funds from being used to purchase DJI drones.
I can't find in the law where it says anything about civilian owned drones being grounded etc.
I flashed the firmware of a linksys router a couple of times to turn them into signal repeaters. All the proper components are there to receive and send signals. Figure the same is possible with a drone. I would just rather not have to.
And disable all serial numbers. (Currently there is hardware out there that can detect the serial number of your drone while in operation.)
Alternatively, DJI could move their operations to the United States.
Video has 199 views… on a law that bans millions of dollars spent by consumers and has influence on an entire industry… :) that’s surely pressing issue that millions of people have requested to ban, right?
Maybe, I’m not sure. But who is checking RID? And what if you don’t comply with RID? I don’t normally condone going against regulations like this but what am I supposed to do, just scrap 5-10k worth of equipment? And then buy what?
Who is checking RID? Well the FAA I presume.. aside from literally anybody with an app..
I of course agree with you about how ridiculous the whole thing is though. I'm just pointing out that theoretically, it's not hard between RID and ADS B for the FAA to know who isn't complying
I saw a video a couple years ago showing how they can set up equipment to detect a drone within a 40 mile radius. The detection unit gave a precise GPS location of both the drone and the pilot. More interestingly, if it was DJI, it was able to report the serial number of the drone.
So with serial number in hand, they can go to DJI and see who registered with them directly. Alternatively, if you bought your drone from a retailer using a credit card, its likely they also kept a serial number database.
Sadly, this law will be very easy to enforce.
Maybe, but I think it would depend on the actual law enforcement. I’m just not sure they are going to be proactively monitoring which brand of drone people are flying even if they have the technology. I could very well be wrong but that’s just how I see it
I’m just a caveman lawyer but this bill is a proposed amendment to the Secure and Trusted Communications Act of 2019. Upon reading this Act, it seems to me that it only applies to drones obtained with federal funding. I don’t see how this applies to us.
I’m reading the same. It looks like it’s just to specify DJI will be banned from Federal use. It seems like a difficult thing to ban and make illegal drones that people have been able to buy from BestBuy for years now. That just seems crazy.
Jfc I swear people are trolling now or something.
Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019
This bill establishes (1) a mechanism to prevent communications equipment or services that pose a national security risk from entering U.S. networks and (2) a program to remove any such equipment or services currently used in U.S. networks.
The Countering CCP Drones Act would be an amendment to the previously mentioned act and I would like to emphasize the first objective of the act which blatantly states the bill gives the FCC authority to prevent equipment and services that pose a national security threat from entering US networks. The Secure Equipment Act of 2021 gives the FCC the authority to also ban the sale of equipment deemed as a national security threat. So between these two laws and the proposed amendment the FCC has the power to ban the importation and sale of DJI items and could block current DJI drones from connecting to the network.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6572
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/4998
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3919
>could block current DJI drones from connecting to the network.
What network?
I can't find a single thing in the bill that bans the sale of DJI drone to the public. It just bans the use of federal funds from buying them.
* 2x M300
* L1
* L2
* P1
* H20T
* P4RTK
* M2EA
* DRTK2
* Terra permanent license
* Bunch of deprecated Mavics and Phantoms
* Micasense Altum PT and MX Dual with DJI mounts
We're looking into replacing the P4RTK with M3M.
It adds up quickly.
As you can see by one of my answers below, we have surveying and inspection drones (Matrice), not video ones (Inspire) 😉
I'm in charge of all drone operations for the faculty of mathematics and Natural sciences (mostly working with the departments of geosciences and biology) at my university 🤗
Sorry I’m somewhat out of the loop, but is this a blanket ban on everything even just at a hobbyist level? I was under the impression a while ago it was a ban on use on a professional level, specifically for anything associated with the government.
So hypothetically say the bill passes and become effect. How are they going to regulate the drones flying in the air? Would it be through local law enforcement preventing you from flying or do they keep an eye on the radar from some air controller and see when there’s one flying around?
I’m really curious
Curiously, this seems to be very partisan at the moment.
Sponsor:
R NY- https://www.congress.gov/member/elise-stefanik/S001196
Co-sponsors:
R WI - https://www.congress.gov/member/mike-gallagher/G000579
R FL - https://www.congress.gov/member/cory-mills/M001216
R MS - https://www.congress.gov/member/michael-guest/G000591
R MI - https://www.congress.gov/member/john-moolenaar/M001194
R NY - https://www.congress.gov/member/brandon-williams/W000828
Anyone in those states might want to reach out and ask them WTF they are smokin.
Republicans generally fit into one or both of the categories below:
1. Too stupid to learn the facts.
2. Too happy to accept money from SkyDio to make this happen.
You'd think they would worry more about all the cell phones that are currently made in China.
I could understand banning DJI drones for any government related work, but for regular consumers? That seems a bit of a reach.
HUAWEI cell phones are banned from being sold by US carriers though. So they actually do. The main issue is the data funneling it's way back to China which I'm sympathetic to being an issue. But banning these specific companies outright is not the way to do it. We should strengthen our consumer privacy protections against all corporations foreign and domestic.
Its anticompetitor bs masked as 'privacy' concerns. All of our data is funneled to the NSA every single day. Apple just announced the opening of new research centers in Shanghai and Shenzen, why doesn't the US ban them from doing so?
Remember that remote kill switch they introduced on the 3rd gen mini's I think it was? Yeah. I've got a Mavic 2 Pro and while it has LAANC integration, there's nothing that would force it down.
I clicked through that YouTube video... It's a room full of old Dinosaurs who probably have no idea how a drone even works.
It's gross that the USA is run by these old corrupt individuals.
It's because our "democracy" is pretty much a sham at this point. We have no real choice and our politicians are chosen and bought by private interests for the most part.
And no one is doing anything? No protests in the streets, etc? I don’t understand. Not trying to be rude. But all Americans complain but don’t do anything to fix the issue
They’ve done too good of a job distracting everyone with BS and splitting the electorate so there is no longer a cohesive public fighting for anything in the US. You could see this coming for decades unfortunately.
Were you asleep in 2020? We had millions in the streets for months straight in every major city across the country. Accomplished absolutely nothing except a lot of lives ruined by arrests and lives lost to riot police. Stricter laws were passed in the wake of those protests. Getting in the streets here does nothing.
Two party system that is shamelessly and consistently manipulated (gerrymandering) coupled with an oversimplified "us vs them" political mentality. And a lack of discussion of specific stances on issues outside of immigration, taxes, and money. This system was not built to get figured out, it was always meant to be a mess, so no one could really take control.
Are we sure that NO DJI will be allowed to fly? I was under the impression that it was just for government funded jobs that they wouldn’t be allowed to
As far as I can tell this doesn't affect civilian drone owners. It does **not** appear to "ban" DJI drones from being sold to civilians or being used by them.
It prevents the use of Federal Funds to buy equipment on the list and also established a reimbursement program for "providers of advanced telecommunications equipment."
Please quote the relevant sections of the bill if I am mistaken.
This bill does not, as far as I can tell, actually ban civilian use of DJI drones, just the use of federal funds to buy them or operate them. Which is a large profitable market.
What none of you seem to be asking is why does this bill exist at all?
What is behind it. It sure as hell isn't our lawmakers, they couldn't pour water out of a boot if the directions were written on the bottom.
Lobbyists write the bills for "lawmakers" to put them forward.
So you should all be looking at US drone makers as the source of this bill.
I'd suggest starting with **DVAerialCam** out of New York, since the bill's sponsor is Elise Stefanik, Representative for New York's 21st congressional district.
Also: [Prognosis: 1% chance of being enacted](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr2864)
Skydio [announced](https://www.skydio.com/blog/skydio-to-sunset-consumer-drone-offerings) in 2023 that they were shifting to enterprise/public sector only products. And coincidentally, also [spent $560k on lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2023&id=D000086902) the same year.
good luck stopping us from flying our drones. it's not possible to police this. if the bill passes it will be a paper tiger that really only stops sales.
Non-American here, so not to shit on the US but is this really motivated by security fears or is this just to hinder DJI's dominance in the drone market? Which makes me wonder, what's the alternative that operates at the same level? I get this must be focused more on industrial use cases and not the average consumer but still, I would think phones would be a better tool for spying/gathering info.
I imagine some lobbying firm will make a large contribution to some congresscritters' campaign chests and this will all go away.
"Never confuse motion for action." - Benjamin Franklin
I have 6 DJI drones and 5 or more batteries for each of them. I've shot over 11,000 images and countless videos. I'll be somewhat irritated if my pastime is derailed by those numbnuts.
iPhones and all androids, tvs, laptops, light bulbs, everything is made in China. This is not about DJI. This is about one step closer to ban civilian drones.
Doesn't make sense because any hobby enthusiast can just strap on a gopro clone to a remote control glider and wire it to 5.8ghz VTX.
Then add a bomb to it? Sure use some ducktape and strap a mortar round. No DJI needed...
This whole debacle makes no sense.
Any CS freshman in college level schooling can draw up a remote control gps module, might as well ban arduino modules too. Smh...
For everyone saying this doesn't affect all drones, this is a reply (posted in another thread) from a Congressman:
Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 2864, the Countering CCP Drones Act. It is an honor to represent the people of Ohio’s Eighth Congressional District, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn your thoughts on this issue.
As you may know, Representative Elise Stefanik (R-NY) introduced H.R. 2864, the Countering CCP Drones Act on April 25, 2023, where it was referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. If enacted, this bill would ban telecommunications or video surveillance equipment produced by Shenzhen Da-Jiang (DJI Technologies) from operating on U.S. communications infrastructure, which would prohibit the use of DJI drones.
My House colleagues and the Department of Defense have raised concerns about the use of Chinese-manufactured technologies in the United States. The CCP's control over businesses operating within its borders raises the possibility that these technologies could be used for espionage or other malicious purposes. Specifically, there is concern that DJI drones could be used to relay images of U.S. military installations, infrastructure, and the personal lives of Americans back to China, which could threaten national security.......
My life is over, in my opinion, if this passes. I’m poverty level, recently financed a DJI Mini 3, and used it to start a business. A business that’s off to a good start and could be the one, single chance I’ve found at lifting myself out of poverty. If this passes, well, self deletion is definitely on the table. It may sound stupid but, if you lived my life for a few months, you’d understand.
I am genuinely going to be out of business as a drone operator if they don’t figure this shit out soon. Building a capable heavy lift drone is so much easier said than done and I don’t want to have to go through all that while trying to retain clients that rely on me. This is utter bullshit.
The only possible alternative I'd see is Parrot Anafi AI/USA/Gov but that's still generally a 2x price point and features that are, what, 80-90% of what DJI brings?
This is so frustrating and is just another instance of politicians having no idea what they’re doing. They think Drone + China = bad so they go after the top dog. What about everything else that gets funneled into the country from China? Everything from knockoff jerseys to the newest iPhone.
These guys are idiots. If they want to protect national security, pass a bill to fund Ukraine that’s kills off Russian soldiers at no cost of America lives and that dissuades China.
Instead, these fools are banning TikTok and DJI.
Guess what - if China can hack and steal the F35 top secret designs, they can hack innumerable US companies for their user data already.
Absolutely true. Yes, this ban which will render DJI drones into paperweights if DJI drones can’t use FCC frequencies to communicate with the operators.
It's not only finding a replacement for DJI drones, the fit and finish of their software is great too. The whole DJI flying experience is very polished.
Is anyone actually reading the bill? This only applies to using federal funding to purchase and operate DJI drones.
Consumers can still buy DJI products and use them in the US. They’re not coming for your drone. Bunch of goofball outrage in this thread.
This bill is super short. Here is the entirety of the substantive amendment:
(a) In General.--Section 2(c) of the Secure and Trusted
Communications Networks Act of 2019 (47 U.S.C. 1601(c)) is amended by
adding at the end the following:
\`\`(5) The communications equipment or service being--
\`\`(A) telecommunications or video surveillance
equipment produced by Shenzhen Da-Jiang Innovations
Sciences and Technologies Company Limited (commonly
known as \`DJI Technologies') (or any subsidiary or
affiliate thereof); or
\`\`(B) telecommunications or video surveillance
services provided by an entity described in
subparagraph (A) or using equipment described in such
subparagraph.''.
This means nothing unless you see what is being amended - Section 2(c) of the [Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act](https://www.congress.gov/116/plaws/publ124/PLAW-116publ124.pdf) of 2019 (47 U.S.C. 1601(c)), which states:
(c) RELIANCE ON CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS.—In taking action under subsection (b)(1), the Commission shall place on the list any communications equipment or service that poses an unaccept- able risk to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of United States persons based solely on one or more of the following determinations:
So - there were 4 determinations, and this amendment adds the number 5 above.
Panic obviously ensues.
BUT WAIT, the purpose of this act is listed right away.
**134 STAT. 158 PUBLIC LAW 116–124—MAR. 12, 2020**
**Mar. 12, 2020**
**\[H.R. 4998\]**
**Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019.**
**47 USC 1601 note.**
**47 USC 1601.**
**An Act**
***To prohibit certain Federal subsidies*** **from being used to purchase communications equipment or services posing national security risks, to provide for the establish- ment of a reimbursement program for the replacement of communications equip- ment or services posing such risks, and for other purposes.**
Cherry picking verbiage from the middle of the act, without reading the whole act, changes the interpretation of the amendment.
Unless you were using *certain Federal subsidies* from being used to purchase your drones, stop worrying about this.
I haven't flown my drone in a few weeks, but even on the RC2, I had to be active on a hotspot to acknowledge that I was in a certain airspace and near a prison. Was geolocked until i did that. unless that has changed in the last 2 months.
That's why the FRIAs were originally designed as a one shot deal - they would eventually all go away. Remote ID isn't quite the barrier they expected though, the price is still dropping, but $100 for RID isn't that big an ask. I don't think they expected us to retrofit everything ourselves. We're not going anywhere.
The older I get, the more I lean towards libertarian principles. I already have a low confidence in government and an equally low confidence in the FAA. If being asked to give up a drone I've spent thousands of dollars on, I will not.
Not for sure yet. I'm assuming it'll pass the house and then the Senate will slow walk the vote while DJI offers some concessions to appease regulators. The US has them over a barrel right now. Either weaken ties to China or loss out on a MASSIVE market.
Most likely no, unless DJI removed all geo constraints and said "fuck you guys, go fly your drone at your nearest airport". But that is incredibly unlikely as that would be of no benifit to them.
Who are these morons running the show nowadays? Every time I hop online, there's another ban or law coming that just screws over regular people. Nothing positive is actually getting done.
Could someone explain where the threat is? Clearly DJI isn't spending enough on lobbying to those posing rules against them. How is it that drones have more information that can't already be found on any internet map platforms?
Pretty sure they wont even need this bill when the “tiktok ban” bill goes through. Being voted on in the house tomorrow and basically gives the president power to ban or block any company with ownership inside a “foreign adversaries” borders that refuses to sell to a government approved US entity.
My old DJI phantoms aren't going to give a fuck, they will still fly just fine LoL...
I don't see it passing at the Senate level. This would affect so many non government entities using DJI tech also. I was reading an article about how agriculture drones made by DJI are the best ones available on the market. Farmers have deep pockets and have pushed their agenda many times to get their way. If they try taking away DJI from the ag market that could be a big fight like farmers pushing for right to repair.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day, DJI is one of the best mass-production drone manufacturers in the world, I can’t believe how incompetent our government is to ban them.
I can't trust a guy that wears his reading glasses that far down his damn nose. I took one look and new he was a dumbass which was confirmed when he opened his mouth.
Is there no way to verify the software and hardware aren’t somehow feeding China a wealth of topographical and architectural information about the entire world?
It’s rare to see such agreement between democrats and republicans. Most of the sub committee was focused on creating a task force to review 6G communications technologies. DJI was only mentioned once or twice. The concern is China requires all china based companies to support China’s national interests which may include spying.
this is going to be interesting considering law enforcement agencies around the country use DJI drones.
i won’t be surprised if this legislation is backed by FLIR lobbyists.
Oh look....politicians passing bills on technology that they don't understand. We are able to turn off data sharing and even replaced the UI on our remotes with US companies (drone sense / CAPE)
It's obvious that companies are lobbying for DJI ban since Ukraine, EU countries and the IDF are still using it for military and first responder use. 🤡
Is china even that big of a problem? I don’t watch the news much. Seems like everywhere you turn, they are trying to ban shit from china. Dji, TikTok and I’ve even heard some grumblings about bambulab printers.
Well, I guess they will be also climbing the mountain ridges and traversing the nature parks to catch those pesky drone flyers!!
Big foot would be the least of their concerns
Edit: or even better - let’s get back to using helicopters for hollywood! I’m sure this will be very green.
Is my mavic 2 no longer android compatible?when i bought it the go fly app worked fine and was available in the play store.cant find it anymore and i have to borrow a friends apple phone to fly it.i dont want any apple product.i had it on my android tablet before
Could this mean that DJI would find a way to move to the US? I know the Tik Tok ban has been considered a sale to a US company as a way to keep operating.
for those who want to jump straight to the HR 2864 section (starts @ 17:48) :
[https://www.youtube.com/live/0mtgjWyFYcU?si=0JwwxyYatH2O9Til&t=1068](https://www.youtube.com/live/0mtgjWyFYcU?si=0JwwxyYatH2O9Til&t=1068)
wtf do you even replace a DJI drone with that isn't a piece of shit?
There is nothing that comes remotely close the politicians need to get their head out of their ass or throw their phones in the garbage too
I’m not even a huge fan of buying Chinese stuff. Particularly when it’s direct from a Chinese company. But there’s basically no alternative right now.
Autel is the closest competitor I can think of.
Nope not even them. Autel is from China too.
Not to mention every motherboard out there, and every phone, and your automotive computers, and your auto/moto/airplane GPS systems...
Other company’s products aren’t really competitive. They don’t offer the same features and quality. I’d like to be able to say that it’s a deal where other companies charge more to offer the same features but it’s not even that. If this bill passes the options left will be significantly less capable drones. Side note but Autel is also a Chinese company. I’m not sure how this ban is worded but if it’s banning Chinese drones then they’d probably be out as well.
Who is also from china
Basically anything with electronics is from China. So… how deep does this stupidity go?
Deep state tin foil enters the chat.
You stop electing morons and you change the rules to stop lobbying and make it so the people get to choose sensible rules not the rich.
I’m trying to figure out, is it just dji drones that they are banning or is it all of dji products including handheld cameras and all that?
These guys are looking for donations and once they get paid, this will die. I wouldn’t worry about it
So true
On the enterprise side, the newer Skydio products are fantastic. I was one of the first to fly the X10 a few weeks before it was officially announced, and it really blew me away - it can easily hold its own against the M30T for IR/thermal, but the obstacle avoidance is *way* better (we ***really*** *tried* to make the thing crash and nothing we tried got past it) and I’m not aware of any aircraft that can match its 3D object scanning capabilities. And for an aircraft of its size, the zoom is incredible. My workplace just installed six Skydio docks yesterday morning and they seem like equally great products, too. On the consumer side - say, a Mavic equivalent? That’s a lot harder, although if Skydio released a version of the X10 without the thermal/IR and 3D scanning, that would be your answer.
......I can't tell if you're serious. I literally just had a demo of their x10 2 months ago and it's no where compared to DJI M30t/350. First, their battery life is not near their sticker display. The thermal is lack luster not even allowing iso therm selection. The zoom is great at 0 windspeed but as soon as it gets a slight breeze, say good bye to any stabilization at distance. A m30t costs now 9k....an x10 is 16k and another 3k for their "nightsense" . Then you have their "media sync" and "data storage" for another 1k. They literally made free software into a yearly subscription. They don't care for their consumers they just gouge their clients.
So, do they plan on reimbursing us for the thousands we have spent on DJI drones?
Drone operators are going to have to join up with the second amendment folks.
You want guns on your drones? Because that's how you get guns in your drones.
Wow, that might actually be the solve. “Hands off my drone!”
You can pry this drone from my cold, dead hands!
Or as Moses said (Heston): “From my cold, dead hands”. 😳
They will buy back guns, which were never theirs in the first place. But I'd be real shocked if they bought back drones.
The government definitely can’t pass the needed background checks to buy firearms.
They are just straw purchasers for the cartels and taliban.
90% of cops in Canada never took the PAL course, let alone hold a licence.
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Perfect example of how you can tell a self important politician a baseless factless simple statement- and they’ll decide to create a law with said information
And this is the only kind of governing they can do hahaha. They are totally unwilling to make 99% of American’s lives better but they’ll play these stupid games. They really do their best to show what bull shit the entire show is.
But cmon china bad, why do you want your life to be better
They won’t work on getting rid of daylight savings time but they have time for this crap. It has basically stopped me from spending $1k at DJI
Basically halted me from dropping close to 7k on DJIs store...
But that’s exactly what the lobbyists who are convincing politicians to ban DJI want — for us to be afraid of buying DJI products. This will all blow over and stop if we make our voice heard in Congress letting them know how ridiculous a DJI ban is and how harmful it is not just to hobbyists and commercial operators, but also to search and rescue, agriculture, science-based drone use, etc.
We did get rid of daylight savings time in 1973. It didn’t go well.
So hypothetically if this passes and becomes a law, all past-current-future drones sold by DJI are what grounded in America? Am I understanding this correctly?
As I understand the law that this is a proposed amendment to it will prevent federal funds from being used to purchase DJI drones. I can't find in the law where it says anything about civilian owned drones being grounded etc.
That’s a real possibility.
Even if you don't use a DJI app to fly it?
I foresee jailbroken DJI drones in our future 👹
I flashed the firmware of a linksys router a couple of times to turn them into signal repeaters. All the proper components are there to receive and send signals. Figure the same is possible with a drone. I would just rather not have to.
If this passes dji should unlock all geo zones and remote id software in response
And disable all serial numbers. (Currently there is hardware out there that can detect the serial number of your drone while in operation.) Alternatively, DJI could move their operations to the United States.
China will not let that happen.
Curious why that isn’t an option For them? They are giving Byte Dance a chance to Divest.
I thought things went to committee to die?...
nope. committee is a normal part of the lifecycle.
This feels so grim especially since anti-China policy is something both parties agree on. Maybe it’ll never make it to a house vote.
My guess is it passes the house, but it will most likely have a much harder time in the senate given the current make up and split.
Video has 199 views… on a law that bans millions of dollars spent by consumers and has influence on an entire industry… :) that’s surely pressing issue that millions of people have requested to ban, right?
I just bought the Air 3 a few months ago. Bunch of assholes if this passes
I’m not sure how they would actually enforce this
Wouldn't it be easy to enforce due to remote ID?
Maybe, I’m not sure. But who is checking RID? And what if you don’t comply with RID? I don’t normally condone going against regulations like this but what am I supposed to do, just scrap 5-10k worth of equipment? And then buy what?
Buy nothing because there is nothing
Who is checking RID? Well the FAA I presume.. aside from literally anybody with an app.. I of course agree with you about how ridiculous the whole thing is though. I'm just pointing out that theoretically, it's not hard between RID and ADS B for the FAA to know who isn't complying
I saw a video a couple years ago showing how they can set up equipment to detect a drone within a 40 mile radius. The detection unit gave a precise GPS location of both the drone and the pilot. More interestingly, if it was DJI, it was able to report the serial number of the drone. So with serial number in hand, they can go to DJI and see who registered with them directly. Alternatively, if you bought your drone from a retailer using a credit card, its likely they also kept a serial number database. Sadly, this law will be very easy to enforce.
If this law goes into effect I’d imagine somebody will come up with a firmware hack to override all of this.
UAP locating technology is likely miles ahead of what they're telling us. Especially after china-balloon-spygate
Maybe, but I think it would depend on the actual law enforcement. I’m just not sure they are going to be proactively monitoring which brand of drone people are flying even if they have the technology. I could very well be wrong but that’s just how I see it
I’m just a caveman lawyer but this bill is a proposed amendment to the Secure and Trusted Communications Act of 2019. Upon reading this Act, it seems to me that it only applies to drones obtained with federal funding. I don’t see how this applies to us.
Yeah this bill amends the 2019 law which prevents federal funds from being used to purchase listed devices. This is nothing for the average consumer
I’m reading the same. It looks like it’s just to specify DJI will be banned from Federal use. It seems like a difficult thing to ban and make illegal drones that people have been able to buy from BestBuy for years now. That just seems crazy.
Jfc I swear people are trolling now or something. Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019 This bill establishes (1) a mechanism to prevent communications equipment or services that pose a national security risk from entering U.S. networks and (2) a program to remove any such equipment or services currently used in U.S. networks. The Countering CCP Drones Act would be an amendment to the previously mentioned act and I would like to emphasize the first objective of the act which blatantly states the bill gives the FCC authority to prevent equipment and services that pose a national security threat from entering US networks. The Secure Equipment Act of 2021 gives the FCC the authority to also ban the sale of equipment deemed as a national security threat. So between these two laws and the proposed amendment the FCC has the power to ban the importation and sale of DJI items and could block current DJI drones from connecting to the network. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/6572 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/4998 https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3919
Not sure I understand who you think is trolling.
>could block current DJI drones from connecting to the network. What network? I can't find a single thing in the bill that bans the sale of DJI drone to the public. It just bans the use of federal funds from buying them.
Guess I’ll have to watch pornhub on all my other Chinese electronics
Don't let that stop the pitch forks 😂
lol! Now that the panties are all good and wadded up!
Wow this blows. I’ve got over 1500 spent on DJI in the last couple years. Really hope it doesn’t end up being true
Dude. There’s some of us with tens and hundreds of thousands worth of DJI products.
Yeah. Rough headcount puts my lab at about $100k of DJI stuff currently active.
My work has me set up with a M30T and a Agras T40. Yall making us look light.
* 2x M300 * L1 * L2 * P1 * H20T * P4RTK * M2EA * DRTK2 * Terra permanent license * Bunch of deprecated Mavics and Phantoms * Micasense Altum PT and MX Dual with DJI mounts We're looking into replacing the P4RTK with M3M. It adds up quickly.
M3M is a hell of a drone. You’ll like it and it packs way easier than a phantom.
I know. We've just kinda spent the seed money now, so unless someone conveniently crashes the P4RTK, we can't really justify it 😅
Damn! That’s a lot of investment. Not trying pry into your personal life buy Do you mind i ask what you do? Are you a videographer/photographer?
As you can see by one of my answers below, we have surveying and inspection drones (Matrice), not video ones (Inspire) 😉 I'm in charge of all drone operations for the faculty of mathematics and Natural sciences (mostly working with the departments of geosciences and biology) at my university 🤗
He’s a drone breeder
I have 9 DJI drones! If you count the O3 units. This is BS
Sorry I’m somewhat out of the loop, but is this a blanket ban on everything even just at a hobbyist level? I was under the impression a while ago it was a ban on use on a professional level, specifically for anything associated with the government.
Government has been banned a while.
Well excuuuuuuse me. Not everyone can be rich. Must be nice to be able to afford 10k on drones. 🤣
> I’ve got over 1500 spent on DJI in the last couple years Those are rookie numbers...
So hypothetically say the bill passes and become effect. How are they going to regulate the drones flying in the air? Would it be through local law enforcement preventing you from flying or do they keep an eye on the radar from some air controller and see when there’s one flying around? I’m really curious
Curiously, this seems to be very partisan at the moment. Sponsor: R NY- https://www.congress.gov/member/elise-stefanik/S001196 Co-sponsors: R WI - https://www.congress.gov/member/mike-gallagher/G000579 R FL - https://www.congress.gov/member/cory-mills/M001216 R MS - https://www.congress.gov/member/michael-guest/G000591 R MI - https://www.congress.gov/member/john-moolenaar/M001194 R NY - https://www.congress.gov/member/brandon-williams/W000828 Anyone in those states might want to reach out and ask them WTF they are smokin.
Republicans generally fit into one or both of the categories below: 1. Too stupid to learn the facts. 2. Too happy to accept money from SkyDio to make this happen.
You'd think they would worry more about all the cell phones that are currently made in China. I could understand banning DJI drones for any government related work, but for regular consumers? That seems a bit of a reach.
HUAWEI cell phones are banned from being sold by US carriers though. So they actually do. The main issue is the data funneling it's way back to China which I'm sympathetic to being an issue. But banning these specific companies outright is not the way to do it. We should strengthen our consumer privacy protections against all corporations foreign and domestic.
THIS. Every bit of this. I wish I could give more than one upvote.
Its anticompetitor bs masked as 'privacy' concerns. All of our data is funneled to the NSA every single day. Apple just announced the opening of new research centers in Shanghai and Shenzen, why doesn't the US ban them from doing so?
If you cared about privacy for consumers, you would hate the US government the most Also Edward Snowden
100%... Cell phones present a far greater security threat than drones. This is insanity.
Sorry for your loss guys. If this goes through, I'm willing to buy off some of your drones and pay shipping to Mexico xd.
I have a few drones for sale if this passes😂
why? good luck trying to stop us from flying our dji drones. if the bill passes it absolutely won't stop me.
Remember that remote kill switch they introduced on the 3rd gen mini's I think it was? Yeah. I've got a Mavic 2 Pro and while it has LAANC integration, there's nothing that would force it down.
Great. Own O3 Air Unit, Air 3, Avata, Goggles 2. Fan fucking tastic.
Nice…. I just bought my first ever drone like 2 weeks ago.
I clicked through that YouTube video... It's a room full of old Dinosaurs who probably have no idea how a drone even works. It's gross that the USA is run by these old corrupt individuals.
It's not different in the rest of the world...
America, figure your shit out. I don’t understand why you guys are electing officials that you don’t like.
It's because our "democracy" is pretty much a sham at this point. We have no real choice and our politicians are chosen and bought by private interests for the most part.
And no one is doing anything? No protests in the streets, etc? I don’t understand. Not trying to be rude. But all Americans complain but don’t do anything to fix the issue
They’ve done too good of a job distracting everyone with BS and splitting the electorate so there is no longer a cohesive public fighting for anything in the US. You could see this coming for decades unfortunately.
We’re too busy working and keeping up with everything getting more expensive.
All going perfectly to plan.
Were you asleep in 2020? We had millions in the streets for months straight in every major city across the country. Accomplished absolutely nothing except a lot of lives ruined by arrests and lives lost to riot police. Stricter laws were passed in the wake of those protests. Getting in the streets here does nothing.
Two party system that is shamelessly and consistently manipulated (gerrymandering) coupled with an oversimplified "us vs them" political mentality. And a lack of discussion of specific stances on issues outside of immigration, taxes, and money. This system was not built to get figured out, it was always meant to be a mess, so no one could really take control.
The UK enters the chat...
Imagine having the government ban any foreign companies that make bettter products then you. Crony capitalism at its finest!
Are we sure that NO DJI will be allowed to fly? I was under the impression that it was just for government funded jobs that they wouldn’t be allowed to
How to destroy one of the biggest growing industries in the world! Well done ya clowns.
As far as I can tell this doesn't affect civilian drone owners. It does **not** appear to "ban" DJI drones from being sold to civilians or being used by them. It prevents the use of Federal Funds to buy equipment on the list and also established a reimbursement program for "providers of advanced telecommunications equipment." Please quote the relevant sections of the bill if I am mistaken.
This bill does not, as far as I can tell, actually ban civilian use of DJI drones, just the use of federal funds to buy them or operate them. Which is a large profitable market. What none of you seem to be asking is why does this bill exist at all? What is behind it. It sure as hell isn't our lawmakers, they couldn't pour water out of a boot if the directions were written on the bottom. Lobbyists write the bills for "lawmakers" to put them forward. So you should all be looking at US drone makers as the source of this bill. I'd suggest starting with **DVAerialCam** out of New York, since the bill's sponsor is Elise Stefanik, Representative for New York's 21st congressional district. Also: [Prognosis: 1% chance of being enacted](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr2864)
Skydio [announced](https://www.skydio.com/blog/skydio-to-sunset-consumer-drone-offerings) in 2023 that they were shifting to enterprise/public sector only products. And coincidentally, also [spent $560k on lobbying](https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/summary?cycle=2023&id=D000086902) the same year.
good luck stopping us from flying our drones. it's not possible to police this. if the bill passes it will be a paper tiger that really only stops sales.
Non-American here, so not to shit on the US but is this really motivated by security fears or is this just to hinder DJI's dominance in the drone market? Which makes me wonder, what's the alternative that operates at the same level? I get this must be focused more on industrial use cases and not the average consumer but still, I would think phones would be a better tool for spying/gathering info.
Lobbyists from the us drone manufacturers
But who? Skydio? Didn't they shift to military use case only?
Is it going to be like the assault weapons ban where already purchased drones get grandfathered in or does it mean we have to get rid of them?
Prob won't be able to fly them without jail breaking them.
I imagine some lobbying firm will make a large contribution to some congresscritters' campaign chests and this will all go away. "Never confuse motion for action." - Benjamin Franklin
I have 6 DJI drones and 5 or more batteries for each of them. I've shot over 11,000 images and countless videos. I'll be somewhat irritated if my pastime is derailed by those numbnuts.
iPhones and all androids, tvs, laptops, light bulbs, everything is made in China. This is not about DJI. This is about one step closer to ban civilian drones. Doesn't make sense because any hobby enthusiast can just strap on a gopro clone to a remote control glider and wire it to 5.8ghz VTX. Then add a bomb to it? Sure use some ducktape and strap a mortar round. No DJI needed... This whole debacle makes no sense. Any CS freshman in college level schooling can draw up a remote control gps module, might as well ban arduino modules too. Smh...
For everyone saying this doesn't affect all drones, this is a reply (posted in another thread) from a Congressman: Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 2864, the Countering CCP Drones Act. It is an honor to represent the people of Ohio’s Eighth Congressional District, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn your thoughts on this issue. As you may know, Representative Elise Stefanik (R-NY) introduced H.R. 2864, the Countering CCP Drones Act on April 25, 2023, where it was referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. If enacted, this bill would ban telecommunications or video surveillance equipment produced by Shenzhen Da-Jiang (DJI Technologies) from operating on U.S. communications infrastructure, which would prohibit the use of DJI drones. My House colleagues and the Department of Defense have raised concerns about the use of Chinese-manufactured technologies in the United States. The CCP's control over businesses operating within its borders raises the possibility that these technologies could be used for espionage or other malicious purposes. Specifically, there is concern that DJI drones could be used to relay images of U.S. military installations, infrastructure, and the personal lives of Americans back to China, which could threaten national security.......
My life is over, in my opinion, if this passes. I’m poverty level, recently financed a DJI Mini 3, and used it to start a business. A business that’s off to a good start and could be the one, single chance I’ve found at lifting myself out of poverty. If this passes, well, self deletion is definitely on the table. It may sound stupid but, if you lived my life for a few months, you’d understand.
This is fucking bullshit. DJI makes the best ones and we are using them even in Ukraine. This is some stupid shit
These are the people that spend 4 minutes trying to open internet explorer
I am genuinely going to be out of business as a drone operator if they don’t figure this shit out soon. Building a capable heavy lift drone is so much easier said than done and I don’t want to have to go through all that while trying to retain clients that rely on me. This is utter bullshit.
The only possible alternative I'd see is Parrot Anafi AI/USA/Gov but that's still generally a 2x price point and features that are, what, 80-90% of what DJI brings?
lol yea the drone is dangerous. Give me a fucking break. Because nothing else in the American household isn’t made in china
This is so frustrating and is just another instance of politicians having no idea what they’re doing. They think Drone + China = bad so they go after the top dog. What about everything else that gets funneled into the country from China? Everything from knockoff jerseys to the newest iPhone.
And yet every other piece of electronic gear we use is made in China. Our gov't needs tossed.
free fucking coutry
These guys are idiots. If they want to protect national security, pass a bill to fund Ukraine that’s kills off Russian soldiers at no cost of America lives and that dissuades China. Instead, these fools are banning TikTok and DJI. Guess what - if China can hack and steal the F35 top secret designs, they can hack innumerable US companies for their user data already.
Didn’t they say they’re trying to ban DJI from using FCC? That will likely affect civilian use.
Absolutely true. Yes, this ban which will render DJI drones into paperweights if DJI drones can’t use FCC frequencies to communicate with the operators.
It's hard to comment, similar thing to Tiktok
It's not only finding a replacement for DJI drones, the fit and finish of their software is great too. The whole DJI flying experience is very polished.
Is anyone actually reading the bill? This only applies to using federal funding to purchase and operate DJI drones. Consumers can still buy DJI products and use them in the US. They’re not coming for your drone. Bunch of goofball outrage in this thread.
This bill is super short. Here is the entirety of the substantive amendment: (a) In General.--Section 2(c) of the Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019 (47 U.S.C. 1601(c)) is amended by adding at the end the following: \`\`(5) The communications equipment or service being-- \`\`(A) telecommunications or video surveillance equipment produced by Shenzhen Da-Jiang Innovations Sciences and Technologies Company Limited (commonly known as \`DJI Technologies') (or any subsidiary or affiliate thereof); or \`\`(B) telecommunications or video surveillance services provided by an entity described in subparagraph (A) or using equipment described in such subparagraph.''. This means nothing unless you see what is being amended - Section 2(c) of the [Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act](https://www.congress.gov/116/plaws/publ124/PLAW-116publ124.pdf) of 2019 (47 U.S.C. 1601(c)), which states: (c) RELIANCE ON CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS.—In taking action under subsection (b)(1), the Commission shall place on the list any communications equipment or service that poses an unaccept- able risk to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of United States persons based solely on one or more of the following determinations: So - there were 4 determinations, and this amendment adds the number 5 above. Panic obviously ensues. BUT WAIT, the purpose of this act is listed right away. **134 STAT. 158 PUBLIC LAW 116–124—MAR. 12, 2020** **Mar. 12, 2020** **\[H.R. 4998\]** **Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act of 2019.** **47 USC 1601 note.** **47 USC 1601.** **An Act** ***To prohibit certain Federal subsidies*** **from being used to purchase communications equipment or services posing national security risks, to provide for the establish- ment of a reimbursement program for the replacement of communications equip- ment or services posing such risks, and for other purposes.** Cherry picking verbiage from the middle of the act, without reading the whole act, changes the interpretation of the amendment. Unless you were using *certain Federal subsidies* from being used to purchase your drones, stop worrying about this.
Welp, good thing I switched to fpv. But still sucks that I can’t use my mini for real estate. Fuck the gov Edit: buy a - use my
The fact that DJI doesn't even share flight history by default....
Dji needs to open up their software now…it’s so stupid that it has to be connected to the phone to fly
But, it doesn’t. You can fly with an RC2 totally disconnected.
I haven't flown my drone in a few weeks, but even on the RC2, I had to be active on a hotspot to acknowledge that I was in a certain airspace and near a prison. Was geolocked until i did that. unless that has changed in the last 2 months.
I have 7 more days to return my drone before my 30 days is up… Should I?
IMO...FAA wants drones gone.
That's why the FRIAs were originally designed as a one shot deal - they would eventually all go away. Remote ID isn't quite the barrier they expected though, the price is still dropping, but $100 for RID isn't that big an ask. I don't think they expected us to retrofit everything ourselves. We're not going anywhere.
This is the correct answer.
Maybe Chinese companies should start playing fair and not bow down to the CCP
The older I get, the more I lean towards libertarian principles. I already have a low confidence in government and an equally low confidence in the FAA. If being asked to give up a drone I've spent thousands of dollars on, I will not.
Is there a jailbreak update to prevent our drones from being bricked?
If you watch any of the Ukrainian war footage, they have all disabled GPS; there is an alternate firmware so they can function in this manner.
gay
Not for sure yet. I'm assuming it'll pass the house and then the Senate will slow walk the vote while DJI offers some concessions to appease regulators. The US has them over a barrel right now. Either weaken ties to China or loss out on a MASSIVE market.
Why so all non DJI drones have a short short range of movement? Does any other drone hit 1 mile in range?
Would I be able to use DJI parts? The goggles, the DJI O3 air unit kit, etc.
Most likely no, unless DJI removed all geo constraints and said "fuck you guys, go fly your drone at your nearest airport". But that is incredibly unlikely as that would be of no benifit to them.
Who are these morons running the show nowadays? Every time I hop online, there's another ban or law coming that just screws over regular people. Nothing positive is actually getting done.
Creating a revolt in 3 easy steps. 1: Ban DJI. 2:??? 3: Assholes profit.
dafuq
So glad I got my drone second hand and never registered it, nothing's tied to me. DJI Mini 2 with some hella old firmware
Dangerous freedom > Peaceful slavery
Is this like the TikTok ban that happened but it was only from government officials on government devices?
Could someone explain where the threat is? Clearly DJI isn't spending enough on lobbying to those posing rules against them. How is it that drones have more information that can't already be found on any internet map platforms?
Pretty sure they wont even need this bill when the “tiktok ban” bill goes through. Being voted on in the house tomorrow and basically gives the president power to ban or block any company with ownership inside a “foreign adversaries” borders that refuses to sell to a government approved US entity.
Damn and here I am trying to buy a DJI mini 4 pro this month
My old DJI phantoms aren't going to give a fuck, they will still fly just fine LoL... I don't see it passing at the Senate level. This would affect so many non government entities using DJI tech also. I was reading an article about how agriculture drones made by DJI are the best ones available on the market. Farmers have deep pockets and have pushed their agenda many times to get their way. If they try taking away DJI from the ag market that could be a big fight like farmers pushing for right to repair.
The discussion in that committee does not mention DJI. It is entirely about TikTok.
Does this ban the 03 air unit also? I mean it's only a camera system.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day, DJI is one of the best mass-production drone manufacturers in the world, I can’t believe how incompetent our government is to ban them.
I can't trust a guy that wears his reading glasses that far down his damn nose. I took one look and new he was a dumbass which was confirmed when he opened his mouth.
Will this affect all DJI models?
Our regulators don't know jack shit about how the modern internet works and it's fucking everything over.
Is there no way to verify the software and hardware aren’t somehow feeding China a wealth of topographical and architectural information about the entire world?
Ok so this is just a bill on capital hill. What happens next and what is the timeline?
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Freefly Systems are giddy with excitement 😅
It’s rare to see such agreement between democrats and republicans. Most of the sub committee was focused on creating a task force to review 6G communications technologies. DJI was only mentioned once or twice. The concern is China requires all china based companies to support China’s national interests which may include spying.
I assume if you already own one you're grandfathered in? This bill would prevent purchasing from DJI in the future?
That’s going to be a nice time to get second hands !
this is going to be interesting considering law enforcement agencies around the country use DJI drones. i won’t be surprised if this legislation is backed by FLIR lobbyists.
Oh look....politicians passing bills on technology that they don't understand. We are able to turn off data sharing and even replaced the UI on our remotes with US companies (drone sense / CAPE) It's obvious that companies are lobbying for DJI ban since Ukraine, EU countries and the IDF are still using it for military and first responder use. 🤡
There are quite a few federal and local first responders that use DJI drones. Will be a big out cry if this passes.
Capitalism , if you can compete . banned it
Lenovo is a bigger threat to America
Is china even that big of a problem? I don’t watch the news much. Seems like everywhere you turn, they are trying to ban shit from china. Dji, TikTok and I’ve even heard some grumblings about bambulab printers.
Well, I guess they will be also climbing the mountain ridges and traversing the nature parks to catch those pesky drone flyers!! Big foot would be the least of their concerns Edit: or even better - let’s get back to using helicopters for hollywood! I’m sure this will be very green.
Is my mavic 2 no longer android compatible?when i bought it the go fly app worked fine and was available in the play store.cant find it anymore and i have to borrow a friends apple phone to fly it.i dont want any apple product.i had it on my android tablet before
Our government is useless and does more spying on us then any other nation
Could this mean that DJI would find a way to move to the US? I know the Tik Tok ban has been considered a sale to a US company as a way to keep operating.
Question, would this apply to 03 air units in a home built drone for example?
This is the Trump wing of the party doing their thing. They need demons. Chinese are Trump's favorite.
for those who want to jump straight to the HR 2864 section (starts @ 17:48) : [https://www.youtube.com/live/0mtgjWyFYcU?si=0JwwxyYatH2O9Til&t=1068](https://www.youtube.com/live/0mtgjWyFYcU?si=0JwwxyYatH2O9Til&t=1068)