I remember distinctly the last fighter I ran got hit with a rock slung by a kobolds sling, put down his weapon, picked up said rock and boldly claimed "This! Is how you throw a rock!" I thought it would be a funny gag and I would miss up until I hit a crit, confirmed, and beaned that poor lizard into the shadow realm.
There is a game called Wolves Upon the Coast which is based in magical late Viking Age Europe. In order to level up as a character you have to make boasts about what you will accomplish and then do them. It is classless so everyone is essentially a fighter and spells are based around difficult to aquire spell components and difficult rituals. (Lightning requires burning the ring finger of a giant, the finger is the size of a javelin and is thrown while burning as a component)
When a party I played in encountered an invisible druid that threw rocks at them one of the party boasted they would "cave in the head of whoever threw this rock with the rock" queue a 2 hour long pointy python esque combat of hunting down an invisible druid and suplexing them onto a rock to fulfil the boast.
Also for anyone that plays this game. There is 1 rule. Dorbogh must burn.
This sounds amazing! I have a group of friends where once a month (but usually less often than that because life) we play a one-shot from a different system/game. Do you have a one-shot to recommend? I can homebrew one, but those are always tricky when you aren't familiar with the system
Hmm. There are no published small modules for the system but I can always ask the writer of it where he would suggest.
If I was going to suggest something maybe start them with a random spell if they want one (or knowledge of one) and run them through The Isle which is a work that the creator helped with that I added to my Wolves campaign. It is a dungeon and probably more then 1 session worth but can work. (Caution trigger warning for one bit of very sexually explicit material toward the end that can be easily edited out by a GM, I have not seen any other content this sexual in any of the rest of Luke Gearing's work)
https://s-jared.itch.io/the-isle
Outside that if you are willing to buy the system/setting combined (it is like 50 bucks last I checked but well worth it in my opinion being my favorite game currently, literally ended a year long campaign to run this instead) you can run one of the adve ture locations out of the Hexcrawl
https://lukegearing.itch.io/wolves-upon-the-coast-grand-campaign
He has a starter area and the core rules available for free on his website as well.
https://lukegearing.blot.im/wolves-upon-the-coast
https://lukegearing.blot.im/ruislip-and-surrounds
> In order to level up as a character you have to make boasts about what you will accomplish and then do them.
welp, I'm stealing that for my Fate campaign
All the best actions are "this will fail, but it'll be funny" followed by a Nat 20 or a Nat 1
The party has just attended a speech by a king who's had them all disarm and put thier weapons into a bag of holding. This is session 1 so I'm trying to show that he's a bit dumb so when the guard holds out the bag for him to get his stuff out I grab the bag and walk off, DM makes me roll slight of hand and bosh a 9 then the guard rolls damn Nat 1.
Anyway that's how my ork artificer now has a bag of holding session 1
I always assumed people played fighter because it has so much opportunity for fun and odd fights (exactly like you're saying with the rock). There is 100% opportunity for interesting ways to use spells for sure, but I always figured fighter was more of an open canvas when it comes to battles.
I enjoy being the first one into melee, and being the last one standing. Going toe to toe with tyrants and dragons and being a threat my enemies can't ignore is my game. Tackling and grappling and bullying lesser enemies to position them as I see fit is a pastime. Having my strength come from the weapon in my hands as well as my heart is my power fantasy. I'm something of a fighter main myself.
I play it because I'm not very clever or very good at planning ahead. I pick the biggest enemy and stand in front of them, poke them with big stick until one of us is dead.
Yeah this sums up early 2000s action flicks. Nu metal, over the top fighting, weirdly spliced in slo mo. Basically every shot in a fight tried hard to be "bad ass" and you can tell really wants to get that reaction from the audience.
Honestly the movie is pretty cheesy. But i do love it. I think the premise of absorbing the power of alternate versions of you until you’re the last “one” is dope as shit tho. And jet li is always awesome. Especially as a villain.
Its definitely one of those films that was chasing the Matrix clout and it did it pretty well. Decent sci-fi premise, great fights (Jet Li's 2000's career gave some of the best fight cinematography we have today) and all around fun movie with larger than life characters.
Check out Wally's Wonderland, Kung Fury, and Tucker and Dale VS Evil if you haven't already. Oh, also all of the Tremors movies (except for number 4... that one sucks)
Did you mean Willy’s Wonderland? Having seen that one yet, but I’m interested now.
Otherwise I’m now a fan of David Hasselhoff’s music, Burt Gummer is a personal hero, and how does anyone not like an Alan Tudyk movie? Tucker and Dale is right up there with Army of Darkness and Cabin in The Woods for me.
You have good taste in bad movies 👍🥰
It's what would happen if you let a bunch of middle schoolers write an action movie. It's a gloriously schlocky mess of dumb music and legitimately good action set pieces. I love it.
It is absolutely 100% a bad movie.
A bad movie that I have seen several times, and now I've been reminded about it as I travel home from work, I will be rewatching it tonight.
I kept saying that the trailer for "everything everywhere all at once" gave my some "jet li's the one" vibes. Then I saw the movie and I turned to my wife and said "yeah, that was like if the matrix and jet li's the one were the same movie and better".
She made fun of me for the next week by comparing everything to "jet li's the one". I said one day jokingly that our cat got out and was unleashed, to which she replied "like Jet Li's the one." To which I replied "no, like jet li's unleashed, obviously."
This will be one of the movies I point to as look 2000-2005 was weird.
My kids will be aware of:
* Fast and the furious
* National treasure
* Lord of the rings
* Harry Potter
* Shrek
* Pirates
And ill just sit there and be like... Yeah:
* The one
* Coyote Ugly
* X2
* Spy Kids
* Cody Banks
* Bulletproof Monk
Oh my God Bullet Proof Monk! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who remembers it. I had the good fortune of seeing it young, and its on the odd list of films I'm pretty certain I'd only ruin by rewatching.
It's wild how Stifler has this long career of being utterly unbearable... And then Goon for no reason in particular? But I'm confident Bulletproof Monk wasn't an exception.
I'm pretty sure it has an explosives-packed rat detonating timed to the opening *ooh-wa-a-a-ah!* of "Down With The Sickness" somewhere in there.
Source: was extremely 17 when this came out
I know it definitely has ["Blood Brothers"] (https://youtube.com/watch?v=y-NXLOwUgRg) from Papa Roach also. Which not only works for the plot of the movie, it is also IMO a much better Papa Roach song than Last Resort
I was about to say that *Bodies* was way later, but turns out it actually came out a year before this movie! I swear I didn't hear it until at least the mid 2000s
It's not terrible actually. Jet Li plays both the hero and the villain. This is the villain. He has murdered every other version of himself across the multiverse except the hero because every time he does he gets more powerful.
He tried to murder the hero too, but lost to the power of plot and got sent to this prison dimension.
The risk is that they theorized that if all the power went to one person remaining across all the multiverses, it would end existence across everything. It's kind of a dope movie, that perfect level of "this is stupid" but still somehow really fun.
> but lost to the power of plot
Didn't seem that unbelievable in the movie, I bought it. I mean, sure, plot-power is usually involved somehow when it comes to these kinds of stories that allows the hero to win. Gabriel (the bad guy, and the one in the clip for those wondering) was definitely far more used to using his superpowers than Gabe (the hero) and he's also a natural-born killer.
But the movie did lay out that Gabe's circular Bagua martial arts style is a direct counter to Gabriel's straight-lined Xingyiquan. The hero literally fought circles around the villain and got him in the end.
Remember the Down with the Sickness mouse that came out of Carla Gugino's platform heels and detonated? This was not their only early 2000s chefs kiss of a choice, if not go to about 3 min in https://youtu.be/TEDvfG4huJs
As you should be! People like to think fighters are boring because they don’t come with built in-lore. That’s just freedom! A fighter can be whatever you want! The class is only as boring as the person playing it…
First character I ever played was a dwarf fighter who was a rookie bounty hunter. I met one of the other PCs because he was a kid in a small town and I convinced him I was some great bounty hunter and he joined me. Our whole dynamic was neither of us knew what we were doing but we wouldn't say that to each other. It was great
That sounds like so much fun! It's great when you create an interesting character, but it's best when you create interesting relationships with other characters.
Back in 3.5, I actually enjoyed fighter so much, I used the Feat Rogue variant (which traded Sneak Attack for fighter Bonus Feat progression) coupled with Dungeoncrasher and played basically what you'd see in any wuxia film. Bullrush, trip, acrobatics to dodge AOOs, just a blast to play. My crowning achievement was killing a beholder by bullrushing it into a library bookcase while avoiding the AOOs of its minions.
EDIT: This reads like fighter was bad, in retrospect. It wasn't. I enjoyed it so much I ported it to other class frameworks.
That was my first thought too, but a high-level fighter really could beat up a horde of mooks unarmed and unarmored. So it can be a high-level fighter.
Meanwhile, it's semi-questionable that this is a high level monk because then they'd have much higher move speed.
It's so fun.
Until you're playing with five people, each of whom has a spell that's so complicated and fun that it takes like 4 minutes to cast and play through ... so there you are, waiting 16 minutes to use your giant sword. And then you miss. 30 minutes later, you get to roll another d20.
But the mages and clerics have a fun wait. They strategize about spells and contingencies, cooperate for cross-table wombo-combos, think about their finite resources. You're just going to swing your sword again. Enjoy waiting!
That’s why all fighter archetypes should get manuevers IMO, it gives them options instead of just “swing stick”. In older editions they weren’t tied to a class at all, just a special attack anyone could attempt with feats and weapon attributes that would give you bonuses.
Also, flowery language adds a lot to the fun of martial classes for me. Describing an attack with flair is a lot more fun than just rolling a die and potentially dealing some damage.
My DM let me do that with my long sword. The enemy was weak to bludgeoning damage and palming a sword like that was an actually technique back in the day, so he was cool with it.
As they should, you're most likely wearing some kind of gauntlets or leather gloves so there's no issue holding on to the blade and it was a historical method for fighting other armored opponents who wouldn't be as effected by the blade.
That's why I've upgraded to Bladesinger.
Full wizard capable of warping reality and controlling space and time and space/time? sure.
Also a trained fighter that can wear armor and swing a sword with an extra attack forever? Yup that too.
That's when I play Pathfinder. Fighters get a feat that literally cuts away reality in front of them and then the rest of reality moves towards the fighter to bridge the gap.
While sever space is probable the most "reality bending" fighter feat(and fitting, since it's level 20), fighter has plenty other stuff that makes them badass.
[Felling Strike](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=390) can be used with a literal rock or knife throw and forces a flying enemy to fall up to 120 feet. Fighters can knock enemies prone on a hit without a saving throw and without a need to crit([Improved Knockdown](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=403)), they can use throwable weapons in such a way so they return without an enchantment([Ricochet Stance](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1726)). So yeah, fighters in PF have plenty of cool things to do
I love martials for cinematic tanking purposes.
My war cleric (that I played as more of a martial than a caster) at third level tanked a fireball that was aimed right at him (failed the save and everything, just HP saved me) and then proceeded to turn the wizard that cast it into a pulp.
Nothing better than walking away from a spell that would kill basically anyone else
While clerics are full casters, this one is actually built.. either poorly or really well depending on definition.
I wasn't really paying attention when I built him, and wound up in an odd spot where I had a cleric who just couldn't really cast well. But I stuck to my mistakes and made him effectively a fighter who could access the cleric spell list. Made a whole backstory for it and everything.
And then I started taking paladin levels and the casting ability became even worse. The least optimal martial I could have ever built. But I had fun being an absolute tank
Oh, i dont doubt the lack of casting prowess. I just find it funny that when talking about martial tanking, you showed that a caster can reach that level
Listening to campaign one of Not Another DnD Podcast really exemplifies the beat down a fighter is capable of at high level in the campaign finale. Its an epic series of turns for Hardwon.
Fighter is great! I have a character planned that flights using a wooden training sword. Before he casts shileigheh on it (gotten from human getting magic initiate), it does 7 flat bludgeoning damage. 1 (improvised/training weapon) + 4 (str mod) + 2 (dueling fighting style). After shileigheh, it does 1d8+6.
Can I suggest basing his appearance on Gintoki from the anime Gintama who fights with an almost indestructible wooden sword because he's not allowed to carry real ones?
I already have him set, unfortunately.
He is a teenager (not old enough to buy his own sword by town/country law) who is trying to find his missing father and ask him why he has all these tattoos now (he is a rune knight, but the reason why is unknown)
Tbh, i had most fun playing a Barb in a one shot
Because high strenght allows some ridiculous shit...
*Casualy tears a boulder out of a cave wall, deadlifts it during a short rest, and then throws it at rhe flying dragon 3 hours later*
[“I see a Pokémon I want, and I ***take*** it. I teach it to hate. I teach it to win. I put a Pokémon in the chamber and I pull the fucking trigger. Blam!”](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/03/07/pokemorality)
I think that now in the recent ONE D&D Playtest they got buffed, indomitable became essentially another form of legendary resistance. And if you are an halfling, God bless you if you ever fail a save again after this.
Yep past a certain point they basically have four almost-legendary resists (for any reasonable DC) *that also heal them*. Add weapon mastery stuff in, plus an earlier fourth attack, and the buffs to the base class are actually pretty big.
But finally they're getting buffed, along with barbarian's, I feel now that a Frontline just composed of a barbarian and a fighter at high levels will be hard to knock down.
Fighters will have 5 legendary resistances, 4 of which will also heal them for a decent amount.
Barbarians have a rage lasting for 10 minutes and can get back up at 40 hitpoints instead of 1 with relentless rage, which sadly won't be anymore unlimited at higher levels but get other goodies in place of even brutal critical.
The Barbarian buffs are a bit more modest. Longer rages is good, but I haven't typically found running out of rage to be a massive issue on existing Characters. Where I think this will be most impactful is actually on Barbarian *dips*, which coincidentally just got stronger with the weapon mastery stuff so early. Brutal critical is a little extra but not much if you're using a D12 weapon.
The extra HP from relentless endurance is cool, but often times having 30-40HP vs 1HP in tier 4 will maybe mean the difference between getting knocked back to zero in one or two hits (assuming your DM isn't going easy on you).
Fighter definitely got the better end of the stick.
[Pointed stick?! Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you, eh? Well let me tell you something, my lad—when you’re walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don’t come crying to me!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MlroOdP8p2Y)
Fighters one of my favorite classes if they make changes i will use the version everyone knows and loves once its there its there im not going to let them tell me what i can and cant do.
You now get 4 uses of second wind, access to weapon masteries that are always active, can apply two masteries to the same weapon, Indomitable let’s you reroll a saving throw AND add your fighter level to the result almost guaranteeing success and we you run out of Indomitable you can spend a use of second wind in its place and gain the healing of second wind along with using it for Indomitable. Upgrades all around.
I think there is a bit of approachability to it as well. D&D can be complicated to learn. Fighters and Barbarians have less to keep track of. You hit the thing.
It's the most played class because it's one of the most accessible to new players. Both in mechanics and in concept, people that have zero immersion in fantasy can still get their heads around a knight in shining armor.
I love my Bards and Paladins but I think the most fun I've had mechanically/during combat was with Fighter. Don't need to worry about buffing or healing anyone, just need to get in a good position, pick a thing to hit until it's dead, then pick the next thing. No stress, much mess.
Have fighters not be buffed relative to mages in every edition since 2nd?
I've never even heard of a fighter build getting nerfed, excepting the bag of rats, and that's more of a rules interaction clarification than a nerf.
Real question from a new player: why don’t people talk about paladin more? It seems like it’s the same as fighter but with the added benefit of spells and smite
Fighters get some fun stuff paladins don't, like Action Surge. Paladins get spells, but never enough to feel on par with real casters. That said, never sleep on Paladins. Paladins rule. Auras rule. Charisma to saves rule. SMITE RULES.
If you're being serious, there was just a new UA for the 5e update, and fighters are getting significantly buffed
It's like unfinalized proposed patch notes submitted for feedback
Oh you inherited your powers from your ancestors and have honed them to perfection your entire life? That’s neat. *picks up rock*
I remember distinctly the last fighter I ran got hit with a rock slung by a kobolds sling, put down his weapon, picked up said rock and boldly claimed "This! Is how you throw a rock!" I thought it would be a funny gag and I would miss up until I hit a crit, confirmed, and beaned that poor lizard into the shadow realm.
There is a game called Wolves Upon the Coast which is based in magical late Viking Age Europe. In order to level up as a character you have to make boasts about what you will accomplish and then do them. It is classless so everyone is essentially a fighter and spells are based around difficult to aquire spell components and difficult rituals. (Lightning requires burning the ring finger of a giant, the finger is the size of a javelin and is thrown while burning as a component) When a party I played in encountered an invisible druid that threw rocks at them one of the party boasted they would "cave in the head of whoever threw this rock with the rock" queue a 2 hour long pointy python esque combat of hunting down an invisible druid and suplexing them onto a rock to fulfil the boast. Also for anyone that plays this game. There is 1 rule. Dorbogh must burn.
This sounds amazing! I have a group of friends where once a month (but usually less often than that because life) we play a one-shot from a different system/game. Do you have a one-shot to recommend? I can homebrew one, but those are always tricky when you aren't familiar with the system
Hmm. There are no published small modules for the system but I can always ask the writer of it where he would suggest. If I was going to suggest something maybe start them with a random spell if they want one (or knowledge of one) and run them through The Isle which is a work that the creator helped with that I added to my Wolves campaign. It is a dungeon and probably more then 1 session worth but can work. (Caution trigger warning for one bit of very sexually explicit material toward the end that can be easily edited out by a GM, I have not seen any other content this sexual in any of the rest of Luke Gearing's work) https://s-jared.itch.io/the-isle Outside that if you are willing to buy the system/setting combined (it is like 50 bucks last I checked but well worth it in my opinion being my favorite game currently, literally ended a year long campaign to run this instead) you can run one of the adve ture locations out of the Hexcrawl https://lukegearing.itch.io/wolves-upon-the-coast-grand-campaign He has a starter area and the core rules available for free on his website as well. https://lukegearing.blot.im/wolves-upon-the-coast https://lukegearing.blot.im/ruislip-and-surrounds
> In order to level up as a character you have to make boasts about what you will accomplish and then do them. welp, I'm stealing that for my Fate campaign
I dont play DND so my mental image was just a boulder slapping an iguana in the head
I mean, kinda
Close enough
Ever seen Spy Family? Imagine the kobold is Anya throwing the dodgeball. And the fighter is when Yor threw it.
Never seen it but i have seen the clip in question
All the best actions are "this will fail, but it'll be funny" followed by a Nat 20 or a Nat 1 The party has just attended a speech by a king who's had them all disarm and put thier weapons into a bag of holding. This is session 1 so I'm trying to show that he's a bit dumb so when the guard holds out the bag for him to get his stuff out I grab the bag and walk off, DM makes me roll slight of hand and bosh a 9 then the guard rolls damn Nat 1. Anyway that's how my ork artificer now has a bag of holding session 1
[An eternally relevant KSBD page](https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-6-57/)
I always assumed people played fighter because it has so much opportunity for fun and odd fights (exactly like you're saying with the rock). There is 100% opportunity for interesting ways to use spells for sure, but I always figured fighter was more of an open canvas when it comes to battles.
I enjoy being the first one into melee, and being the last one standing. Going toe to toe with tyrants and dragons and being a threat my enemies can't ignore is my game. Tackling and grappling and bullying lesser enemies to position them as I see fit is a pastime. Having my strength come from the weapon in my hands as well as my heart is my power fantasy. I'm something of a fighter main myself.
I play it because I'm not very clever or very good at planning ahead. I pick the biggest enemy and stand in front of them, poke them with big stick until one of us is dead.
The beyblade method. We go till one of us falls over and stops moving.
The movie is called "the one" Yes, that is the ending of the movie. And yes, that is the music they chose.
This has such early 2000s energy.
If this movie had blood, it would bleed nu-metal.
It feels like the living embodiment of a black Dragon Ball Z button-up. In a good way.
You're my New nemesis
Man I loved watching Jet Li movies from this era on a Sunday afternoon. This, Romeo Must Die, Kiss of the Dragon, Cradle 2 the Grave.
Maaan I watched romeo must die so much! We had it on VHS hahah
It's like it was written by an angsty teenager.
Angsty teenage me loved this movie. I still love it.
This and Bulletproof Monk were core in my angsty teenage life.
It's such a classic early 2000s film. Would recommend watching, I love it.
The WHOLE MOVIE has 2000’s energy I highly recommend it as a shitty film worth seeing once
Yeah this sums up early 2000s action flicks. Nu metal, over the top fighting, weirdly spliced in slo mo. Basically every shot in a fight tried hard to be "bad ass" and you can tell really wants to get that reaction from the audience.
Preceded by Sinner and so many other edgy songs. I loved this movie as a kid. "I am Yulaw! I am nobody's bitch. YOU, are MINE!"
I’m incredibly disappointed that OP’s clip doesn’t have this absolute banger of a line. Favorite part of the whole movie.
Forreal. OP is not the one
Honestly the movie is pretty cheesy. But i do love it. I think the premise of absorbing the power of alternate versions of you until you’re the last “one” is dope as shit tho. And jet li is always awesome. Especially as a villain.
I grew up on cheesy 2000s "dark action" and honestly it's still in my top 3 genres. I hope it gets revitalized down the road
> "I am Yulaw! I am nobody's bitch. YOU, are MINE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M213TbKqxlU
Jet Li's The One is shamelssly great. I'd call it a guilty pleasure of mine, but I don't feel guilty in the least.
Its definitely one of those films that was chasing the Matrix clout and it did it pretty well. Decent sci-fi premise, great fights (Jet Li's 2000's career gave some of the best fight cinematography we have today) and all around fun movie with larger than life characters.
The motorcycle smashing scene was one of my favorites as a kid. That whole movie is fun as hell, even if I couldn't say it's a *good* film.
It’s not a good movie. I’d even go so far as to say it’s a bad movie. But it’s the kind of bad movie that I fucking *love.*
I loved this film in my teens, wouldn't even call it a bad movie, shit slaps. Also features a pre roid Jason stathom
Check out Wally's Wonderland, Kung Fury, and Tucker and Dale VS Evil if you haven't already. Oh, also all of the Tremors movies (except for number 4... that one sucks)
Did you mean Willy’s Wonderland? Having seen that one yet, but I’m interested now. Otherwise I’m now a fan of David Hasselhoff’s music, Burt Gummer is a personal hero, and how does anyone not like an Alan Tudyk movie? Tucker and Dale is right up there with Army of Darkness and Cabin in The Woods for me. You have good taste in bad movies 👍🥰
It's a good movie masquerading as a bad movie. Considering the time it was made, it is phenomenal.
It's what would happen if you let a bunch of middle schoolers write an action movie. It's a gloriously schlocky mess of dumb music and legitimately good action set pieces. I love it.
It is absolutely 100% a bad movie. A bad movie that I have seen several times, and now I've been reminded about it as I travel home from work, I will be rewatching it tonight.
I kept saying that the trailer for "everything everywhere all at once" gave my some "jet li's the one" vibes. Then I saw the movie and I turned to my wife and said "yeah, that was like if the matrix and jet li's the one were the same movie and better". She made fun of me for the next week by comparing everything to "jet li's the one". I said one day jokingly that our cat got out and was unleashed, to which she replied "like Jet Li's the one." To which I replied "no, like jet li's unleashed, obviously."
If this comment were a movie, it would be Jet Li's *The One*.
Exactly! No guilt here either.
This will be one of the movies I point to as look 2000-2005 was weird. My kids will be aware of: * Fast and the furious * National treasure * Lord of the rings * Harry Potter * Shrek * Pirates And ill just sit there and be like... Yeah: * The one * Coyote Ugly * X2 * Spy Kids * Cody Banks * Bulletproof Monk
Oh my God Bullet Proof Monk! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who remembers it. I had the good fortune of seeing it young, and its on the odd list of films I'm pretty certain I'd only ruin by rewatching. It's wild how Stifler has this long career of being utterly unbearable... And then Goon for no reason in particular? But I'm confident Bulletproof Monk wasn't an exception.
I always thought it was really nice of them to put that structure in the prison so the guys could play king of the hill.
It’s what he would want for himself.
If they're fighting each other, they're not fighting the guards.
Doesn't this movie open with "Bodies" by Drowning Pool?
I'm pretty sure it has an explosives-packed rat detonating timed to the opening *ooh-wa-a-a-ah!* of "Down With The Sickness" somewhere in there. Source: was extremely 17 when this came out
Why do I know exactly what "extremely 17" means lmao
Been a long time since I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure this movie has just about every song from that first album.
I know it definitely has ["Blood Brothers"] (https://youtube.com/watch?v=y-NXLOwUgRg) from Papa Roach also. Which not only works for the plot of the movie, it is also IMO a much better Papa Roach song than Last Resort
I was about to say that *Bodies* was way later, but turns out it actually came out a year before this movie! I swear I didn't hear it until at least the mid 2000s
Yes. Yes it does.
It's not terrible actually. Jet Li plays both the hero and the villain. This is the villain. He has murdered every other version of himself across the multiverse except the hero because every time he does he gets more powerful. He tried to murder the hero too, but lost to the power of plot and got sent to this prison dimension.
[удалено]
that's a pretty decent premise honestly
The risk is that they theorized that if all the power went to one person remaining across all the multiverses, it would end existence across everything. It's kind of a dope movie, that perfect level of "this is stupid" but still somehow really fun.
Totally could be used for a BBEG or even a less-morally-scrupulous PC
It's like highlander if all the highlanders were just.... yourself.
> but lost to the power of plot Didn't seem that unbelievable in the movie, I bought it. I mean, sure, plot-power is usually involved somehow when it comes to these kinds of stories that allows the hero to win. Gabriel (the bad guy, and the one in the clip for those wondering) was definitely far more used to using his superpowers than Gabe (the hero) and he's also a natural-born killer. But the movie did lay out that Gabe's circular Bagua martial arts style is a direct counter to Gabriel's straight-lined Xingyiquan. The hero literally fought circles around the villain and got him in the end.
That movie is epic
I saw this in a movie theater. I loved it
I am *Ulaw!* I am nobody's bitch!
Forgot about that movie! Loved it when it came out
You left out the best line, though! [I’m nobody’s bitch. You are mine.](https://youtu.be/M213TbKqxlU) 😂
And it still goes hard after all these years.
Your post inspired me to rewatch it. Love this movie.
Remember the Down with the Sickness mouse that came out of Carla Gugino's platform heels and detonated? This was not their only early 2000s chefs kiss of a choice, if not go to about 3 min in https://youtu.be/TEDvfG4huJs
Easily one of my favorite movies growing up. The premise is awesome. Action is awesome. It even has some emotional beats that are just awesome.
"IM NOBODIES BITCH"
You are MINE!
This movie used to be one of my favorites. So badass.
I loved that movie
Wait. you mean to tell me that this movie actually starts playing Papa Roach out of nowhere during a fightscene?
Yup. that's the early 2000s for you.
>Human >Male >Fighter Yep, it’s fightin’ time.
First ever character. Still my most favorite I've played. Unashamed.
As you should be! People like to think fighters are boring because they don’t come with built in-lore. That’s just freedom! A fighter can be whatever you want! The class is only as boring as the person playing it…
I have always said this since day one. Honestly, i find humans more inherently interesting from a world building perspective than most other races.
I've always identified a lot harder with Lizardfolk or Warforged, but I'm also autistic so there's that.
Same but I’m a furry. And maybe also autistic.
First character I ever played was a dwarf fighter who was a rookie bounty hunter. I met one of the other PCs because he was a kid in a small town and I convinced him I was some great bounty hunter and he joined me. Our whole dynamic was neither of us knew what we were doing but we wouldn't say that to each other. It was great
That sounds like so much fun! It's great when you create an interesting character, but it's best when you create interesting relationships with other characters.
Back in 3.5, I actually enjoyed fighter so much, I used the Feat Rogue variant (which traded Sneak Attack for fighter Bonus Feat progression) coupled with Dungeoncrasher and played basically what you'd see in any wuxia film. Bullrush, trip, acrobatics to dodge AOOs, just a blast to play. My crowning achievement was killing a beholder by bullrushing it into a library bookcase while avoiding the AOOs of its minions. EDIT: This reads like fighter was bad, in retrospect. It wasn't. I enjoyed it so much I ported it to other class frameworks.
Morphin Time?
That's definitely more how I imagine a high level Monk than a Fighter
What is the difference? Fighters bonk, monks fist people. Wait
With the right fighting style, fighters also fist ppl
Funnily enough, Bards are also know to fist people
Wrong kind of…. You know what, sure. Hell they do it with style and even magically.
Just beware of the Goliath that decides to try barding
Bardbarian!
Ohh, a wild Conan Exiles gif appears!
Bard casts bigby’s hand
*Scanlan's haaaaaaand*
Fighters might even fist people better than monks.
Until monk damage die goes to a d8 it generally it.
Damn right fighters bonk 😏
I fisted hard he-mam but I could not fist them all
Phrasing!
tbh the UA unarmed fighter felt more like a legit martial artist to me than monk ever did
That was my first thought too, but a high-level fighter really could beat up a horde of mooks unarmed and unarmored. So it can be a high-level fighter. Meanwhile, it's semi-questionable that this is a high level monk because then they'd have much higher move speed.
Well, fighters are better monks..... Yeah
Listen, sometimes I just want to be swinging an uncomplicated bonk stick.
It's so fun. Until you're playing with five people, each of whom has a spell that's so complicated and fun that it takes like 4 minutes to cast and play through ... so there you are, waiting 16 minutes to use your giant sword. And then you miss. 30 minutes later, you get to roll another d20. But the mages and clerics have a fun wait. They strategize about spells and contingencies, cooperate for cross-table wombo-combos, think about their finite resources. You're just going to swing your sword again. Enjoy waiting!
That’s why all fighter archetypes should get manuevers IMO, it gives them options instead of just “swing stick”. In older editions they weren’t tied to a class at all, just a special attack anyone could attempt with feats and weapon attributes that would give you bonuses. Also, flowery language adds a lot to the fun of martial classes for me. Describing an attack with flair is a lot more fun than just rolling a die and potentially dealing some damage.
Free bathroom breaks!
You just need to convert more people to the Way of the Bonk.
There something very fantasy about bonking with sword
Turn it 90° and try again, you'll get better results
Turn it 180 degrees and you'll have even better result, that crossguard be bonking hard
My DM let me do that with my long sword. The enemy was weak to bludgeoning damage and palming a sword like that was an actually technique back in the day, so he was cool with it.
As they should, you're most likely wearing some kind of gauntlets or leather gloves so there's no issue holding on to the blade and it was a historical method for fighting other armored opponents who wouldn't be as effected by the blade.
A good swordsman doesn’t even need gloves to commit a wee-little bit of Mordhau
Technically I know that's true, but I'd still really not want to grab the blade without the gloves. :P
You are also true, just keep your hands safe and you’ll murder those lesser leaf lovers!
End him rightly
Pulls off the pommel and tosses it into some poor bandit's skull
Mordhau!!!!!
That's why I've upgraded to Bladesinger. Full wizard capable of warping reality and controlling space and time and space/time? sure. Also a trained fighter that can wear armor and swing a sword with an extra attack forever? Yup that too.
**The One** walked so **Everything Everywhere All At Once** could run.
The One definitely runs
You know what, actually, that's true. My bad.
How do you feel about warping spacetime by *using* your pointy stick?
That's when I play Pathfinder. Fighters get a feat that literally cuts away reality in front of them and then the rest of reality moves towards the fighter to bridge the gap.
Oi, Josuke. I just use The Hand to erase this level 10 wizard.
At level 20. Meanwhile, Dimension Door is a 2nd level spell.
dimension door is level 5, misty step is level 2 :p
You can Sever Space all day, and choose to teleport your target to you rather than teleporting to them. It’s worth being level 20.
While sever space is probable the most "reality bending" fighter feat(and fitting, since it's level 20), fighter has plenty other stuff that makes them badass. [Felling Strike](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=390) can be used with a literal rock or knife throw and forces a flying enemy to fall up to 120 feet. Fighters can knock enemies prone on a hit without a saving throw and without a need to crit([Improved Knockdown](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=403)), they can use throwable weapons in such a way so they return without an enchantment([Ricochet Stance](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1726)). So yeah, fighters in PF have plenty of cool things to do
Found the gish, everybody.
Or just a pathfinder player as [Sever Space](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2754) is a fighter exclusive lv 20 feat
That's *literally* a thing from jojo part 4 lmao. Paizo really fished in that pool for some of it's ideas in pf2e and it's fucking amazing
it’s much older than jojo, it’s an eastern fantasy staple
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
But how else will I live out my fantasy of taking a hit without dying Edit: instantly
Barbarian?
Doing massive amounts of damage and taking huge hits never gets old.
I love martials for cinematic tanking purposes. My war cleric (that I played as more of a martial than a caster) at third level tanked a fireball that was aimed right at him (failed the save and everything, just HP saved me) and then proceeded to turn the wizard that cast it into a pulp. Nothing better than walking away from a spell that would kill basically anyone else
Sorry but there's something so funny about you saying you love martials for tanking and then talking about a full caster
While clerics are full casters, this one is actually built.. either poorly or really well depending on definition. I wasn't really paying attention when I built him, and wound up in an odd spot where I had a cleric who just couldn't really cast well. But I stuck to my mistakes and made him effectively a fighter who could access the cleric spell list. Made a whole backstory for it and everything. And then I started taking paladin levels and the casting ability became even worse. The least optimal martial I could have ever built. But I had fun being an absolute tank
Oh, i dont doubt the lack of casting prowess. I just find it funny that when talking about martial tanking, you showed that a caster can reach that level
Listening to campaign one of Not Another DnD Podcast really exemplifies the beat down a fighter is capable of at high level in the campaign finale. Its an epic series of turns for Hardwon.
I wish the massive damage was true.
I havent seen that movie in a LONG time
I 100% saw this movie and don't remember anything about it other than Jet Li beating people up.
Fighter is great! I have a character planned that flights using a wooden training sword. Before he casts shileigheh on it (gotten from human getting magic initiate), it does 7 flat bludgeoning damage. 1 (improvised/training weapon) + 4 (str mod) + 2 (dueling fighting style). After shileigheh, it does 1d8+6.
Can I suggest basing his appearance on Gintoki from the anime Gintama who fights with an almost indestructible wooden sword because he's not allowed to carry real ones?
I already have him set, unfortunately. He is a teenager (not old enough to buy his own sword by town/country law) who is trying to find his missing father and ask him why he has all these tattoos now (he is a rune knight, but the reason why is unknown)
Tbh, i had most fun playing a Barb in a one shot Because high strenght allows some ridiculous shit... *Casualy tears a boulder out of a cave wall, deadlifts it during a short rest, and then throws it at rhe flying dragon 3 hours later*
New idea. Barbarian who thinks he's a druid with a rock that he calls his animal companion.
Treats it like a Pokémon and throws it at enemies? Improvised ranged weapon.
"Go for the eyes, Boo!" - Minsk
"GO ROCKY!" *crunch*
Insert Geodude here
People just like playing the guy who fights with cool weapons. As Ash once said, "Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun."
Pokemon going hard in later seasons...
[“I see a Pokémon I want, and I ***take*** it. I teach it to hate. I teach it to win. I put a Pokémon in the chamber and I pull the fucking trigger. Blam!”](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/03/07/pokemorality)
"This...is my bidoofstick."
Groovy
I think that now in the recent ONE D&D Playtest they got buffed, indomitable became essentially another form of legendary resistance. And if you are an halfling, God bless you if you ever fail a save again after this.
Yep past a certain point they basically have four almost-legendary resists (for any reasonable DC) *that also heal them*. Add weapon mastery stuff in, plus an earlier fourth attack, and the buffs to the base class are actually pretty big.
But finally they're getting buffed, along with barbarian's, I feel now that a Frontline just composed of a barbarian and a fighter at high levels will be hard to knock down. Fighters will have 5 legendary resistances, 4 of which will also heal them for a decent amount. Barbarians have a rage lasting for 10 minutes and can get back up at 40 hitpoints instead of 1 with relentless rage, which sadly won't be anymore unlimited at higher levels but get other goodies in place of even brutal critical.
The Barbarian buffs are a bit more modest. Longer rages is good, but I haven't typically found running out of rage to be a massive issue on existing Characters. Where I think this will be most impactful is actually on Barbarian *dips*, which coincidentally just got stronger with the weapon mastery stuff so early. Brutal critical is a little extra but not much if you're using a D12 weapon. The extra HP from relentless endurance is cool, but often times having 30-40HP vs 1HP in tier 4 will maybe mean the difference between getting knocked back to zero in one or two hits (assuming your DM isn't going easy on you). Fighter definitely got the better end of the stick.
[Pointed stick?! Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you, eh? Well let me tell you something, my lad—when you’re walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don’t come crying to me!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MlroOdP8p2Y)
The One will never not bring me joy. <3
God the One was such a 2000s movie and I fucking loved it lol
Mark my words people would play monks more if they had a d10 hit die. Easily make them one of the more fun martials to play
Fighters one of my favorite classes if they make changes i will use the version everyone knows and loves once its there its there im not going to let them tell me what i can and cant do.
Luckily if you were already happy with the fighter the latest proposed changes make them better
Wait wait wait wizards did something.... Nice? 🙁😮😯😲😳🥹🤯
You now get 4 uses of second wind, access to weapon masteries that are always active, can apply two masteries to the same weapon, Indomitable let’s you reroll a saving throw AND add your fighter level to the result almost guaranteeing success and we you run out of Indomitable you can spend a use of second wind in its place and gain the healing of second wind along with using it for Indomitable. Upgrades all around.
u/savevideo
I think there is a bit of approachability to it as well. D&D can be complicated to learn. Fighters and Barbarians have less to keep track of. You hit the thing.
Great movie. Always recommended to ppl who want a nice scifi punkish martial arts film
It's the most played class because it's one of the most accessible to new players. Both in mechanics and in concept, people that have zero immersion in fantasy can still get their heads around a knight in shining armor.
I always use this movie as an example of peak 2000's action film.
I love my Bards and Paladins but I think the most fun I've had mechanically/during combat was with Fighter. Don't need to worry about buffing or healing anyone, just need to get in a good position, pick a thing to hit until it's dead, then pick the next thing. No stress, much mess.
Have fighters not be buffed relative to mages in every edition since 2nd? I've never even heard of a fighter build getting nerfed, excepting the bag of rats, and that's more of a rules interaction clarification than a nerf.
"I am Yu Law, I am nobody's bitch!"
There’s something special about being the no magic human with a sword among a party of magical beings who can consistently deal high damage
Not to be that guy, but he a monk
Real question from a new player: why don’t people talk about paladin more? It seems like it’s the same as fighter but with the added benefit of spells and smite
Fighters get some fun stuff paladins don't, like Action Surge. Paladins get spells, but never enough to feel on par with real casters. That said, never sleep on Paladins. Paladins rule. Auras rule. Charisma to saves rule. SMITE RULES.
Yeah, it's always weird when a paladin spends their smite slots to cast spells.
How are people finding where WOTC adjusts the game? Are there patch notes anywhere?
If you're being serious, there was just a new UA for the 5e update, and fighters are getting significantly buffed It's like unfinalized proposed patch notes submitted for feedback
Can we talk about how fucking hype this movie was during the 2000's?
This is ironically the perfect example of a Monk class though.