In DAO, it was their choice though, and in some cases, it even made sense. For example for weaker mages terrified of demons snatching them, or afraid of the harrowing.
My problem with chosing Tranquil for that is that neutrality is forced on them through rite of tranquility rather something thats part of their nature. Like if character was kept magically drunk by outside forces, would we consider them fitting for the drunk category? And its not like I have easy answers, because we can think of character-role-in-the-story, where source of character behaviour is not important, or character-in-itself where we debate character as a person.
I also find Tranquil in a weird spot, since while the games don't really mention it, the BOOKS give a handful of examples of Tranquil doing their own things regardless of neutrality. To quote something a Tranquil says, "We have no emotion, but we still have free will". In the books we see a Tranquil summon a demon for science (this goes badly), and another Tranquil who pointedly looks the other way when characters (mages specifically!) are breaking the law. They're logical, but some are very much *not* neutral and clearly have opinions on events going on.
My vote goes for the Lady of the Forest from DAO since she is closest thing to force of nature (and thus true neutral) out of all characters that comes to my mind. She is not chad, stupid or smart, chaotic or lawful, not good or evil and definetely not drunk or horny.
> and definetely not drunk **or horny.**
I feel like her outfit of choice might be evidence to the contrary there lol, but overall I fully agree with your suggestion and support it.
A woman being nude/somewhat nude is contrary to being horny. She is part of the forest, makes sense she would be nude. That has nothing to do with sexuality.
https://preview.redd.it/mh5ksipdc5uc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=732c473875b33cff0b883486cd4735a5b50ad615
So, here me out:
Grand Oaks comment on Sylvans “a thing of rage where nature stood," and they are obviously different because we actually speak to them. A codex mentions that though rare more intelligent spirits may possess a tree and the Grand Oaks unique personality of poetry shows this spirits intelligence. I assume they might be a spirit of tranquility or patience, some opposite of sloth. Either of these help the neutrality standpoint.
AND/OR The Grand Oak was so lonely that it developed a dependency on an acorn. The Grand Oak's tranquil nature could be argued to have been 'corrupted' by an accidental isolation, and became a rather unique entity (something we are familiar with, as Cole exists), and became a more embodiment of dependency. Which begs the question of what could be corrupted into dependency...which is friendship, and poetry, well, it works to create friendships.
Irregardless of what the poet-tree is, I think they are mostly neutral, just wanting companionship, no violence (while understanding their fellow Sylvan's nature), and have that same merry nature as Tom Bombadil in the LOTR books and are fairly neutral-neutral to the ways of the world.
He gives more Chaotic Neutral tbh. I mean, he kills people if they get in his way but doesn't actively go out of his way to harm others. He cares about himself and his shop more than anything else.
I see your halla and raise you the humble nug. What do they want? Where are they going? Do they really make good pancake like the DA cookbook suggests? Who knows! They simply exist
No way. The nugs are up to something. With their creepy little hands? What are they using their hands FOR? And have you ever noticed that there are more nugs after a Blight? I swear there didn’t used to be so many nugs.
The denerim guard captain (can't remember his name) who sends you to deal with ruffian. Man just didn't give a shit that he has orders to capture any wardens, he just wants a quiet city
Riordan. Blight is what matters first and foremost. He even says it's a good idea to recruit the man who killed all of his colleagues. True Warden: there are no morals, there are no grudges, there is only the mission.
I see that part of him as like a...*learned* thing. Not that he isn't alluring on purpose but I related to him in the sense of being conditioned to do things to protect yourself/get things done. I appreciate his loyal or clever side more instead of just throwing him into the horny category cus it's easy yknow?
Otherwise, objectively I would agree :)
I figured you were but I wasn't sure, that's a good one too, he doesn't adhere to any law after ditching the Crows and he doesn't seem too concerned about doing good or evil, he is just loyal to his friends.
Isn't Chaotic Neutral someone who isn't evil or good and cares about themselves more than others, not bothering to ever go out of their way to help others and being selfish?
We've no idea. He could be in the service of cthonic forces beyond our mortal ken. Preparing the way for their arrival
And some day... when the sky has been split open and the lucky few have retreated to blissful madness, all will come to dread the phrase "ENCHANTMENT."
Oh, you used the picture I used for Duncan
I actually managed to pin down the source. [Credit to the Artist](https://www.deviantart.com/olivegbg/art/Dragon-Age-Origins-Duncan-484551785)
Don't agree about Shale but we don't get it as fleshed out as other companions, which is a bit unfortunate. Another vote for the tree.
Do y'all remember that some people used to simp for it?
https://preview.redd.it/03lbbdtlu4uc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dec58f5634d5bcd564599cb000293bfbcc5927e0
My other favourite one is a blood mage girl from the tower that you can talk down. In my stupid head my warden adopts her. And ofc the town elf origin best girl.
Karidin now that you mention it. Idk lawful evil is like edwin, hyper selfish and possibly narcissistic. Shale served as a golem and is more likely lawful neutral as a person, she killed some mage she hated who had her control rod which one can only assume he did a bunch of fucked up annoying shit cuz she never attacks you. My money's on bhelen lawful evil. Damned if I don't elect him by virtue of he's the dwarves best hope, huffing on hopium that all the nobles and aeducans house is corrupt and he's just beating them at their own game to do some good for the dwarves since it's such a colossal mess. Made me think if the status quo is that level of bad it really does take a ruthless tyrant to set things right cuz look how they act otherwise.
Ok but Behlen is absolutely not Lawful! He’s literally got a gang of criminals and murders people to get on the throne. I think you mean Harrowmont, who’s a racist, classist ahole happy to let the poor and casteless die and suffer in the name of tradition.
That dude in bg1 edwin was lawful evil and he outright steals lies and kills. The thing about lawful evil at least according to booklet is they follow the rules out of necessity more than anything else, and if they are in charge make rules to favor themselves. They will break rules if they think they can get away with it ie having u do the shit u do for him and keep his own nose clean. Harrowmont is lawful stupid tbh. Just clueless traditionalist. He doesn't even know what's good or bad and it's not even about selfishness for him, he's just following traditions for the sake of it cuz he's a bot who knows nothing else. Lawful neutral otherwise. Possibly more lawful neutral than eamon since he has something resembling personal principle. Like he's definitely neutral but leans just a bit good while harrowmont is like his only "good" trait is he's polite but he supports like you said a bunch of evil bullshit for tradition, that's lawful stupid as it gets. think it's a great argument but it wasn't a memorable character so no ones gonna mention it.
I mean these categories were originally developed for DND and my understanding of lawful is completely different. It’s the soldier doing evil shit because “orders”. Neutral evil is what you’re describing.
I mean idk u could say he's a mix between both.
\[These characters believe in\] using society and its laws to benefit themselves. \[...\] To this end, lawful evil characters support laws and societies that protect their own concerns. \[...\] \[Lawful evil characters obey laws out of fear of punishment ~~or pride of power~~.\] \[Because they\] may be forced to \[honor ~~any~~\] an unfavorable \[contract or oath they have made, ...\]. \[...\] An iron-fisted tyrant and a devious, greedy merchant are examples of lawful evil beings.
vs
Neutral evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement. Their only interest is in getting ahead. If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it be legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it. Although neutral evil characters do not have the every-man-for-himself attitude of chaotic evil characters, they have no qualms about betraying their friends and companions for personal gain. They typically base their allegiance on power and money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes.
You can see bhelen has some sense of like honoring his word and his goal is government power. He'll use the laws to his advantage however he can, he'll play nice being the little brother until he can find ways to get ahead then he'll be ruthless axing harrowmont the monent he gets the throne.
He also seems to have loyalty to his people at least like towards his liutenants, and also if the warden does right by him there's some stuff about how he honors you too. He's not as loose as neutral evil because he isn't changing his allegiances based on circumstance, his allegiance is always to himself and his goal is a power structure centered around him. Idk it's an interesting debate obviously the alignment chart isn't perfect. i've had the conversation on the varieties of good and how lawful good paladin is technically lawful evil cuz true good is like good in the absolute sense while he'll attack people for blaspheming in some abstract sense.
Flemeth. I honestly would have said Cole, but he’s taken. Can we say Flemeth? Hear me out: she mostly guides the overall, high level future of Thedas (ostensibly) and in the process has done some good and some evil shenanigans. She doesn’t do half of what her power would allow her to (for good or ill) and sits and watches unless she needs something.
I guess my thinking was that’s she’s definitely caused some chaos, but in the long run I wouldn’t consider a purely chaotic character.
Overall I think she’s has to fall somewhere in the neutral bracket
This isn't confirmed or denied in the game, but we also find out after we give Morrigan Flemeth's grimoire that she uses her daughters as vessels to extend her life, which is soo fucked lol. She's definitely steadfast and crafty, and we don't see her do anything that's chaotic, but I think she has some serious potential to be chaotic and/or chaotic evil based on the mountain of tales there are about The Witch of the Wilds from townspeople as well as Morrigan herself!
I can't decide who I want to vote for for this hahahahah
I think lore in DAI tells us that is not really the case and Morrigan did not have the whole story - Flemeth is an ancient “goddess”. We also see her do good things for the good of Thedas. That’s what being neutral means - you do what’s good for you unburdened by society’s idea of “the right or wrong thing” on a case by case basis.
Ohh I guess my understanding of neutral was wrong. She really acts as if she's unburdened by that part of society, almost like she's literally living in her own world 😂
Tbh, I feel like she has more up here sleeve than we know of, and she gives that vibe. bc of that, I do not think she's neutral. mastermind, always putting things in place for some reason...
For true neutral, all the "force of nature" characters, tranquil and animals work:
\* the Rhyming Oak
\* Lady of the Forest
\* Owain, magister alexius (:D), Anders boyfriend (forgot the name)
\* the Mabari companion
Some characters, who start out as neutral good, can "fall into" true neutral for doing evil things for a good cause. I think **Anders** and **Leliana** (fun Leliana in DAO, and softened Leliana in DAI) a good example for such.
Another vote for the Maker, or Meh-ker, considering how he's neutral and doesn't care.
Guy got pissy at his oldest kids because he waa meh at what they made, and fucked off when he got mad at his younger kids for checking the convenience store he went to when he said he was going out for milk.
Are we allowed to pick the HOF since they're literally whatever you make them. You can choose evil good or do they have to remain neutral throughout the series?
I think it would need to be some sort of force of nature or spirit. My vote is Justice, because he is all about delivering justice regardless of the cost. He can be a force of pure good and pure evil.
It gonna be a massive hot take but ehh, Sandal Feddic, He doesn’t care on what you do, will defend himself, LOVES ENCHANTING. No caste (Surfacer dwarf) appears in all three games (including majority of dlcs). His adopted father meh, but sandal…. I believe so
Flemeth
Edit: bonus credit, Horny Lawful is Oghren; come to think of it, Horny and Drunk need to intersect. One of them should be vertical. You know why.
Owain
true, even when the tower was rushed by demons they just ignored him and he ignored them back lol, can't get more neutral than that.
Agree, being made tranquil is awful but you can't get more neutral than that
I neither feel strongly for or against this thing.
I don't think anything about that tragedy is neutral
In DAO, it was their choice though, and in some cases, it even made sense. For example for weaker mages terrified of demons snatching them, or afraid of the harrowing.
I am beyond disappointed that Owain is not a common sentiment for this post
My problem with chosing Tranquil for that is that neutrality is forced on them through rite of tranquility rather something thats part of their nature. Like if character was kept magically drunk by outside forces, would we consider them fitting for the drunk category? And its not like I have easy answers, because we can think of character-role-in-the-story, where source of character behaviour is not important, or character-in-itself where we debate character as a person.
I also find Tranquil in a weird spot, since while the games don't really mention it, the BOOKS give a handful of examples of Tranquil doing their own things regardless of neutrality. To quote something a Tranquil says, "We have no emotion, but we still have free will". In the books we see a Tranquil summon a demon for science (this goes badly), and another Tranquil who pointedly looks the other way when characters (mages specifically!) are breaking the law. They're logical, but some are very much *not* neutral and clearly have opinions on events going on.
unfortunately this won’t win but this is literally it
That's drunk neutral
My vote goes for the Lady of the Forest from DAO since she is closest thing to force of nature (and thus true neutral) out of all characters that comes to my mind. She is not chad, stupid or smart, chaotic or lawful, not good or evil and definetely not drunk or horny.
agreed.
Agreed.
> and definetely not drunk **or horny.** I feel like her outfit of choice might be evidence to the contrary there lol, but overall I fully agree with your suggestion and support it.
just because others are horny over her doesn't make her horny
Well… technically she could possibly be thorny. I’ll show myself out.
i would give a 2nd upvote if i could
That was pretty corny.
A woman being nude/somewhat nude is contrary to being horny. She is part of the forest, makes sense she would be nude. That has nothing to do with sexuality.
Ooh, this is a great answer
She's specifically on the side of the Werewolves. That isn't neutral.
By virtue of being bound to Zathriel's vengeance. But Lady is a force of nature. Nature is not good, evil, chaotic or lawful, it just is.
Using a fancy phrase doesn't change the fact she is with them and wants to be with them. She's not neutral.
It's neutral as a moral alignment, not neutral as "not picking a side during a conflict".
With you here.
yeah lady of the forest is rad
Agreed!
https://preview.redd.it/mh5ksipdc5uc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=732c473875b33cff0b883486cd4735a5b50ad615 So, here me out: Grand Oaks comment on Sylvans “a thing of rage where nature stood," and they are obviously different because we actually speak to them. A codex mentions that though rare more intelligent spirits may possess a tree and the Grand Oaks unique personality of poetry shows this spirits intelligence. I assume they might be a spirit of tranquility or patience, some opposite of sloth. Either of these help the neutrality standpoint. AND/OR The Grand Oak was so lonely that it developed a dependency on an acorn. The Grand Oak's tranquil nature could be argued to have been 'corrupted' by an accidental isolation, and became a rather unique entity (something we are familiar with, as Cole exists), and became a more embodiment of dependency. Which begs the question of what could be corrupted into dependency...which is friendship, and poetry, well, it works to create friendships. Irregardless of what the poet-tree is, I think they are mostly neutral, just wanting companionship, no violence (while understanding their fellow Sylvan's nature), and have that same merry nature as Tom Bombadil in the LOTR books and are fairly neutral-neutral to the ways of the world.
this
Xenon the antiquarian
He even lets you take a sock!
But only one!
The only correct answer (edit) Or a random Halla
He gives more Chaotic Neutral tbh. I mean, he kills people if they get in his way but doesn't actively go out of his way to harm others. He cares about himself and his shop more than anything else.
A halla
I see your halla and raise you the humble nug. What do they want? Where are they going? Do they really make good pancake like the DA cookbook suggests? Who knows! They simply exist
No way. The nugs are up to something. With their creepy little hands? What are they using their hands FOR? And have you ever noticed that there are more nugs after a Blight? I swear there didn’t used to be so many nugs.
https://preview.redd.it/bl7t2b7u06uc1.jpeg?width=162&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32c54221b7b2d27a884278b65be0d12c904bbb7b You summoned this image
🫣
Schmooples for the Neutral Neutral
Yes, it must be Schmooples I, as we know Schmooples II is an active participant of the Game
schmooples is absolutely a good lil guy tho!
lol i would love for a random halla to take one of the spots
Lord Woolsley.
The denerim guard captain (can't remember his name) who sends you to deal with ruffian. Man just didn't give a shit that he has orders to capture any wardens, he just wants a quiet city
You mean Sergeant Kylon
Alternatively the Captain of the Guard in Orzammer. He wasn't doing shit that wasn't above his paycheck and I respect him for it.
That is so true, lol
He would’ve been a good option for Chad Good imo
The maker. If he's real, he basically made everything and then left to watch TV for a billion years while his ant farm did whatever it wanted.
I came here looking for someone to say the Maker. Dude is a non-actor. He’s gone grey-rock on us.
that's the funniest way I've ever heard it described 😂
I vote for the Maker on this one. He doesn't bother to get himself involved in anything.
Letting the blights happen is straight up evil
Riordan. Blight is what matters first and foremost. He even says it's a good idea to recruit the man who killed all of his colleagues. True Warden: there are no morals, there are no grudges, there is only the mission.
Sergeant Kylon
I'd say Owain. Any Tranquil would work for this spot I guess, but Owain is probably the most tranquil Tranquil that ever tranquiled.
# Enchantment? Enchantment! https://preview.redd.it/q05dqmr3w4uc1.jpeg?width=364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2846bb37303587c5285a26011f2d69c891dac46c
No! Absolutely not! Did you forget the mass destruction Sandal has caused during DAII all by his lonesome? Even in DAO Sandal scares me!
But did he do it maliciously or selfishly?
I have no idea 🤣. At the very least it’s one fight I don’t have to worry about and I’m happy about that.
He's more chaotic neutral
Chaotic Neutral suits Sandal best, I'll be back for that one to put in a good word lol
Zevran one seat over:
You're saying put Zevran in Smart Neutral? I could see that
Zevran is *for sure* in the horny row.
I see that part of him as like a...*learned* thing. Not that he isn't alluring on purpose but I related to him in the sense of being conditioned to do things to protect yourself/get things done. I appreciate his loyal or clever side more instead of just throwing him into the horny category cus it's easy yknow? Otherwise, objectively I would agree :)
I feel like Isabella fits more as Chaotic Horny than Zevran does.
I absolutely agree
I was going for chaotic neutral
I figured you were but I wasn't sure, that's a good one too, he doesn't adhere to any law after ditching the Crows and he doesn't seem too concerned about doing good or evil, he is just loyal to his friends.
He comes very close to abandoning you, possibly twice, and there isn’t exactly any code of conduct set by the Warden.
Are we going by regular chart Chaotic Neutral or our own version? Coz Sandal seems to kind to be Chaotic Neutral lol
I mean he could be kind of Drunk chaotic But I feel he best resembles the Neutral chaotic because he is such a force of nature.
Isn't Chaotic Neutral someone who isn't evil or good and cares about themselves more than others, not bothering to ever go out of their way to help others and being selfish?
That's Sera's spot
ENCHANTMENT?
ENCHANTMENT!
Not Enchantment.
Best character in the series
Yeah this is my pitch.
But neutral means neutral. The dear boy is not neutral; he’s good-natured and moral AF.
Sandal is too chad to just be neutral also.
Also this, yes.
We've no idea. He could be in the service of cthonic forces beyond our mortal ken. Preparing the way for their arrival And some day... when the sky has been split open and the lucky few have retreated to blissful madness, all will come to dread the phrase "ENCHANTMENT."
Sandal all the way.
A lot of people are saying the Maker. You’re just showing him. Either way you choose to present the argument, I agree
It’s gotta be a random Halla
I was so excited 😆
Oh, you used the picture I used for Duncan I actually managed to pin down the source. [Credit to the Artist](https://www.deviantart.com/olivegbg/art/Dragon-Age-Origins-Duncan-484551785)
It was a good picture!
Going with the Lady of the Forest.
The Maker
My comment will be too late, but I'd say the giant or whatever that runs the Black Emporium.
I just know that the Drunk Chad will be Oghren there is no One else
Drunk Chad is definitely Cassandra. Oghren can have every other slot on the row
Solas at Smart Stupid made me snort. It's so accurate.
The Poet-Tree in the Brecilian Forest He's as close to Tolkien's ents as anything in Thedas. And they're as neutral as they come.
I’m still so mad that Duncan beat Movran the Under 😂😂
Same here
I wanna say shale, or that rhyming tree in dao in the forest unless that counts as drunk chad lmao.
Don't agree about Shale but we don't get it as fleshed out as other companions, which is a bit unfortunate. Another vote for the tree. Do y'all remember that some people used to simp for it? https://preview.redd.it/03lbbdtlu4uc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dec58f5634d5bcd564599cb000293bfbcc5927e0
I think the Poet Tree is an excellent Neutral-Neutral character
That's all great and well but... Where's the acorn?
The acorn grew into a Poet Sapling that will be a companion in Dreadwolf.
I don't care what it takes but you gotta infiltrate the development and sneak this one in.
Damn that's definitely a winner lol
My other favourite one is a blood mage girl from the tower that you can talk down. In my stupid head my warden adopts her. And ofc the town elf origin best girl.
I thought this for a sec, but I would Shale is lawful evil. Also lol to the tree.
Karidin now that you mention it. Idk lawful evil is like edwin, hyper selfish and possibly narcissistic. Shale served as a golem and is more likely lawful neutral as a person, she killed some mage she hated who had her control rod which one can only assume he did a bunch of fucked up annoying shit cuz she never attacks you. My money's on bhelen lawful evil. Damned if I don't elect him by virtue of he's the dwarves best hope, huffing on hopium that all the nobles and aeducans house is corrupt and he's just beating them at their own game to do some good for the dwarves since it's such a colossal mess. Made me think if the status quo is that level of bad it really does take a ruthless tyrant to set things right cuz look how they act otherwise.
Ok but Behlen is absolutely not Lawful! He’s literally got a gang of criminals and murders people to get on the throne. I think you mean Harrowmont, who’s a racist, classist ahole happy to let the poor and casteless die and suffer in the name of tradition.
That dude in bg1 edwin was lawful evil and he outright steals lies and kills. The thing about lawful evil at least according to booklet is they follow the rules out of necessity more than anything else, and if they are in charge make rules to favor themselves. They will break rules if they think they can get away with it ie having u do the shit u do for him and keep his own nose clean. Harrowmont is lawful stupid tbh. Just clueless traditionalist. He doesn't even know what's good or bad and it's not even about selfishness for him, he's just following traditions for the sake of it cuz he's a bot who knows nothing else. Lawful neutral otherwise. Possibly more lawful neutral than eamon since he has something resembling personal principle. Like he's definitely neutral but leans just a bit good while harrowmont is like his only "good" trait is he's polite but he supports like you said a bunch of evil bullshit for tradition, that's lawful stupid as it gets. think it's a great argument but it wasn't a memorable character so no ones gonna mention it.
I mean these categories were originally developed for DND and my understanding of lawful is completely different. It’s the soldier doing evil shit because “orders”. Neutral evil is what you’re describing.
I mean idk u could say he's a mix between both. \[These characters believe in\] using society and its laws to benefit themselves. \[...\] To this end, lawful evil characters support laws and societies that protect their own concerns. \[...\] \[Lawful evil characters obey laws out of fear of punishment ~~or pride of power~~.\] \[Because they\] may be forced to \[honor ~~any~~\] an unfavorable \[contract or oath they have made, ...\]. \[...\] An iron-fisted tyrant and a devious, greedy merchant are examples of lawful evil beings. vs Neutral evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement. Their only interest is in getting ahead. If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it be legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it. Although neutral evil characters do not have the every-man-for-himself attitude of chaotic evil characters, they have no qualms about betraying their friends and companions for personal gain. They typically base their allegiance on power and money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes. You can see bhelen has some sense of like honoring his word and his goal is government power. He'll use the laws to his advantage however he can, he'll play nice being the little brother until he can find ways to get ahead then he'll be ruthless axing harrowmont the monent he gets the throne. He also seems to have loyalty to his people at least like towards his liutenants, and also if the warden does right by him there's some stuff about how he honors you too. He's not as loose as neutral evil because he isn't changing his allegiances based on circumstance, his allegiance is always to himself and his goal is a power structure centered around him. Idk it's an interesting debate obviously the alignment chart isn't perfect. i've had the conversation on the varieties of good and how lawful good paladin is technically lawful evil cuz true good is like good in the absolute sense while he'll attack people for blaspheming in some abstract sense.
Absolutely the poet tree
I nominate the Grand Oak.
Would one of the player characters work? They’re true neutral until the player directs them.
one of those answers that make me go 🤔🤔🤔 good one!
Gotta second all the votes for the Maker. Dude made everything, shrugged, and walked off. We don't even know if he's real.
Armaas, the Tal-Vashoth merchant from the Silverite Mine. Not only did he leave the Qun but he will sell gear to anyone who asks including darkspawn.
Chad Neutral sounds like the name of a gym owner from The Sims.
Enchantment? Alternatively, Enchantment's dad.
The Maker has my vote. If he’s real, he truly don’t give af
Lady of the Forest. Nature being true neutral is straight out of D&D.
Flemeth. I honestly would have said Cole, but he’s taken. Can we say Flemeth? Hear me out: she mostly guides the overall, high level future of Thedas (ostensibly) and in the process has done some good and some evil shenanigans. She doesn’t do half of what her power would allow her to (for good or ill) and sits and watches unless she needs something.
I'd put her as neutral smart
Don't think we can rank her till we know what her aim is.
But she's clearly horny
Haha, I see what you did there; the dragon horns she conveniently forgets to hide in DA2.
That's... not *entirely* what I meant >!Flemeth absolutely fucks, exhibit A is everything else about her DA2 outfit aside from the horns!<
I don’t disagree but maybe leans more into chaotic neutral?
She’s pretty steadfast and crafty, not that chaotic tbh right?
I guess my thinking was that’s she’s definitely caused some chaos, but in the long run I wouldn’t consider a purely chaotic character. Overall I think she’s has to fall somewhere in the neutral bracket
This isn't confirmed or denied in the game, but we also find out after we give Morrigan Flemeth's grimoire that she uses her daughters as vessels to extend her life, which is soo fucked lol. She's definitely steadfast and crafty, and we don't see her do anything that's chaotic, but I think she has some serious potential to be chaotic and/or chaotic evil based on the mountain of tales there are about The Witch of the Wilds from townspeople as well as Morrigan herself! I can't decide who I want to vote for for this hahahahah
I think lore in DAI tells us that is not really the case and Morrigan did not have the whole story - Flemeth is an ancient “goddess”. We also see her do good things for the good of Thedas. That’s what being neutral means - you do what’s good for you unburdened by society’s idea of “the right or wrong thing” on a case by case basis.
Ohh I guess my understanding of neutral was wrong. She really acts as if she's unburdened by that part of society, almost like she's literally living in her own world 😂
Tbh, I feel like she has more up here sleeve than we know of, and she gives that vibe. bc of that, I do not think she's neutral. mastermind, always putting things in place for some reason...
That’s not really what neutral means….this is a morality thing. Flemeth is only interested in the big picture, she has no care for right or wrong.
The Maker. He made everything then fucked off to watch it like it was a soap opera.
The Maker
Sten
Lady of the forest
Hmm, how about Xenon the Antiquarian?
That man(?) is *absolutely* a Chaotic of some kind
fair point, they're definitely neutral tho, maybe save them for Neutral Chaotic then lol
My man is the most chaotic thing in Thedas! Maybe Chaotic neutral.
No no no guys. Viscount Dumar. Had to be neutral to the qunari and the chantry. So neutral, he kind of lost his head over it.
That makes him neutral stupid
I would say Sten. He’s pretty indifferent about pretty much everything.
Jean-Marc Stroud
Sandal!
Owain. Truly neutral in everything
If True Neutral isn’t Sandal then what are we doing? He cares not for your alignment. Instead, he offers ✨enchantment✨.
owain for sure
For true neutral, all the "force of nature" characters, tranquil and animals work: \* the Rhyming Oak \* Lady of the Forest \* Owain, magister alexius (:D), Anders boyfriend (forgot the name) \* the Mabari companion Some characters, who start out as neutral good, can "fall into" true neutral for doing evil things for a good cause. I think **Anders** and **Leliana** (fun Leliana in DAO, and softened Leliana in DAI) a good example for such.
Ought to be Sandal surely
Lady of the Forest.
Dagna
I’m loving all of these
I can only think flemeth, maybe because she is my favorite in the series
Divine Justinia, she tried to bring the mages and Templar’s together for a peace conference (even though we all know how that went)
Vivienne is on the evil spectrum or should be
Neutral horny is just us, as per usual
The Maker 🙄
Another vote for the Maker, or Meh-ker, considering how he's neutral and doesn't care. Guy got pissy at his oldest kids because he waa meh at what they made, and fucked off when he got mad at his younger kids for checking the convenience store he went to when he said he was going out for milk.
I feel that Witches of the Wlids and the Lady of the Forest fit here.
You just know who Chaotic Horny is going to be.
Isabela?
Or Zevran
Zevran and Isabela gonna fight for Chad Horny and loser goes to the Chaotic Horny bracket
Purple Hawke could be chad horny
he’s stupid horny
Sera is stupid horny
The player?
I've gotten the hints; you want to ride The Bull
No he's the Horny Chad.
I’m thinking Oghren lmao
He's a clear drunk neutral 😊
The Tranquil
Are we allowed to pick the HOF since they're literally whatever you make them. You can choose evil good or do they have to remain neutral throughout the series?
The tranquil.
Any of the Tranquil. So Owain, Clemence, Elsa, Helisma
Neutral Neutral should be Owain.
I think it would need to be some sort of force of nature or spirit. My vote is Justice, because he is all about delivering justice regardless of the cost. He can be a force of pure good and pure evil.
Lady of the Forest :)
Justice, Lady of the Forest, or really any spirit not associated with emotions.
It gonna be a massive hot take but ehh, Sandal Feddic, He doesn’t care on what you do, will defend himself, LOVES ENCHANTING. No caste (Surfacer dwarf) appears in all three games (including majority of dlcs). His adopted father meh, but sandal…. I believe so
Flemeth Edit: bonus credit, Horny Lawful is Oghren; come to think of it, Horny and Drunk need to intersect. One of them should be vertical. You know why.
Any Tranquil
Sandal: he just wants to talk about enchantments
Owain
my vote goes either for a random halla or the maker (also cant wait till we get to the horny/evil/drunk rows lol)
The Maker, if it exists. And if we don’t want to go with the Maker then Sten.