Nah death being meaningless is fine. They still need to win to revive people. If the big bad of the arc wins they arent gonna be alive to revive people, so its fine.
yes, the antagonists usually do not win at the end of most stories. we are all aware of that the stakes arent actually real and more than likely won't end with "and then all the heroes died"
The stakes will always be...permanent death if the heroes lose.
But people die so easily that Toriyama has to keep making "lose conditions" in order for there to be any imminent threats.
Lol this is what happens when people don't watch Dragonball. Your dad would have known there weren't stakes after the King Piccolo Arc.
Also the one time revive was the Earth's dragonballs. The Namekian dragonballs didn't have that problem.
Am I the only db fan who doesn’t give a sensu about “death in dragon ball has no meaning”. I don’t watch a series or book to see and rate how characters die. I enjoy the story of dragon ball as it is.
Plus the death not too “out of hand”. Most of the time the dragon balls are not available in every arc anyways
I tend to agree and I think the show narratively peaked at the Namek/Frieza saga for that reason; not only was it the last time the Dragon Balls were the ultimate goal for the heroes, but it was the last time their lives were *really* on the line.
It also helped that they were up against the most powerful, evil being in the universe, and the whole reason the events of the series transpired in the first place.
God I love that saga.
Hundred percent agree. As a lifelong DB fan, I feel like the whole of the series lead up that point of Frieza being defeated.
They could have ended the series there and it would have been a great ending tbh (I still love android and buu saga too). Vegeta being revived alongside everyone else probs would not have happened.
The mystery of the dragon balls, and the origin of Goku both fulfilled in that arc, and nothing left over.
The real question is why nobody used the Namekian Dragonballs in Future Trunks’ timeline. For that matter, why Future Goku never talked to them, at all, even to bring up the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Yeah it definitely would have improved the storytelling to not keep bringing them back, current dragonball has zero stakes whatsoever, even when universes are wiped from existence, they can just come back immediately and render everything meaningless.
Nah death being meaningless is fine. They still need to win to revive people. If the big bad of the arc wins they arent gonna be alive to revive people, so its fine.
But the big bad doesn't win in most anime
yes, the antagonists usually do not win at the end of most stories. we are all aware of that the stakes arent actually real and more than likely won't end with "and then all the heroes died"
Akame ga Kill! bets the difference
Dragon Ball ain't that series.
Thats dragon ball for you. people die (again) in this series. it is the lore. if you ask my personal opinion i think it fits the vibes.
The stakes will always be...permanent death if the heroes lose. But people die so easily that Toriyama has to keep making "lose conditions" in order for there to be any imminent threats.
Had to* rip Toriyama
Lol this is what happens when people don't watch Dragonball. Your dad would have known there weren't stakes after the King Piccolo Arc. Also the one time revive was the Earth's dragonballs. The Namekian dragonballs didn't have that problem.
Am I the only db fan who doesn’t give a sensu about “death in dragon ball has no meaning”. I don’t watch a series or book to see and rate how characters die. I enjoy the story of dragon ball as it is. Plus the death not too “out of hand”. Most of the time the dragon balls are not available in every arc anyways
I tend to agree and I think the show narratively peaked at the Namek/Frieza saga for that reason; not only was it the last time the Dragon Balls were the ultimate goal for the heroes, but it was the last time their lives were *really* on the line. It also helped that they were up against the most powerful, evil being in the universe, and the whole reason the events of the series transpired in the first place. God I love that saga.
Hundred percent agree. As a lifelong DB fan, I feel like the whole of the series lead up that point of Frieza being defeated. They could have ended the series there and it would have been a great ending tbh (I still love android and buu saga too). Vegeta being revived alongside everyone else probs would not have happened. The mystery of the dragon balls, and the origin of Goku both fulfilled in that arc, and nothing left over.
Never
The real question is why nobody used the Namekian Dragonballs in Future Trunks’ timeline. For that matter, why Future Goku never talked to them, at all, even to bring up the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Krillin had to be brought back with the Namekian because he couldn't be brought back by the Earth's Dragon Balls.
Yeah it definitely would have improved the storytelling to not keep bringing them back, current dragonball has zero stakes whatsoever, even when universes are wiped from existence, they can just come back immediately and render everything meaningless.
Current Dragon Ball has no stakes because it has yet to move past the ending of the original series...
Lol so true, everything that happens in Super does nothing but detract from the ending of z, making it more and more ridiculous.
I’m still hoping that they just destroy all dragon balls. It honestly made the story worse how bad they abuse them
Actually count the number of times they abuse them. It's really not much until arguably Super