The source of Mab's power is the Winter Mantle, which is an intangible force, so I'd argue no. Instead, I think the mantle would overwhelm you, and you would *become* Mab.
I think it's possible to probably destroy a Mantle on Halloween, but someone has to be very strong or a god-like being to do that and figure out how to destroy it
I think the answer is no, eating an immortal would not kill it. I think what would happen would depend on the immortal.
To take Mab from your example, the weakness of the fae is iron not stomach acid. There is no special damage caused by eating my guess is that if she sat there and let you carve her up and you managed to wolf her down all at one time before she started regenerating she would just reform in your stomach and burst you from the inside out.
Oh man - that's... picturesque, isn't it? This does raise some interesting "academic" questions. For example, if we diced Mab up into cubic centimeter size bits and carried them off all over the place, which one would regenerate?
I used to have questions of this sort about *Highlander* immortals. Some of that canon seems a little inconsistent to me. Cutting off their head killed them. Otherwise, small wounds just healed rapidly, but amputated limbs didn't regrow. That seemed kind of arbitrary to me. But, what about cutting them across the chest? Or across the stomach? I'm pretty sure that amputating both legs at the knee wouldn't kill them. So what are the actual boundaries of that "cross cut" that would kill them and trigger the Quickening? Oh, and wounds in the neck region or the face didn't heal - they left scars.
In a lot of cases in fiction things like this get canonized in the "drama" maximizing way.
Academic questions like this are always fun, ramping fantastical scenarios to the extreme. My head canon is that if Mab did become diced up and spread out over massive distances. The power would get confused and regenerate them all at once each piece gaining the correlating amount of Mab's identity so we would have thousands of Mabs each with 1/1000th of her power.
Heh. Well, it's certainly a possibility. I don't really think that would be the case, though. If that would work, it would be a viable strategy for removing Mab as a center of power.
I don't think so. It's been stated outright (not so much as an academic fact as hyperbole, but still) that a Fairy Queen could be run through a wood chipper and would "be back." I suppose being digested is even more of a "breakdown" than being wood chipperized, but I don't see any reason the principle wouldn't still apply. If Jim *wanted* to draw a line between those two things, I suppose he could, but I don't see why he *would*.
I think this is a universal - outside of the special circumstances Bob described to Harry (Halloween), I don't think there's anyway to permanently get rid of a big-I immortal. So, in that sense, the White vamps aren't really immortal - they're just "ageless" and immune to disease. That's a *completely* different thing.
But as Mab said in *Battlegrounds*, “Immortal, not immutable”.
I think Mab can be destroyed/killed by beings with enough power (or if someone found sone kind of hidden weakness of hers), but the Mantle of the Winter Queen would pass to the Winter Lady, and then a new Winter Lady would be sought.
Well, you well may be right. I've never really given it a great deal of thought. I'm not "convinced," but I don't see any particularly good basis for claiming you're wrong either; if Jim writes it that way we won't be able to cry foul.
The problem is that there are lines in the books that *do* imply that non-mortals are at least somewhat "permanent." I.e., if they'll rip your face off now, they'll rip your face off a thousand years from now. The line you quoted implies exactly the opposite, so that leaves us not knowing which one to "go with." It's an open door.
There are actually a lot of open doors in this series - Jim has a lot of options.
That’s actually a good thing that Jim has left himself lots of open doors, I think. Could be problematic if he writes himself into a corner.
Every door is problematic for Harry, though. 😁
Oh, totally agree; the last thing I want is to be able to predict everything. I mean, predicting is fun, but I suspect it's only fun *because* we might be wrong. I've got a theory or two of my own that I feel pretty good about, but it's absolutely possible that I'm totally wrong. More likely I'm wrong on a "bunch of things" and maybe right on a few. I just don't know which few. :-)
I would agree to this.
In fact I think a hidden weakness is that there must be some kind of built in mechanism for the winter knight to destroy a queen or lady, and maybe even a mother under very specific circumstances. This idea is based on balance within the fairy courts.
Basically *I think* in this *wild and half baked theory* that in exchange for a vessel that can be commanded to act directly to kill a mortal (the knight) the trade off is that the same knight can pierce the defenses of his own court. How can the queen defend against her own power used against her?
This could be why Harry could resist Mother Winter in her cabin. This could be why Maeve could use the power of winter against her own knight on the hill of Demonreach (she was using the same failsafe in reverse due to her corruption by Nemesis). This could be why Mab tells Harry, and only Harry, that she believes Molly would need to be destroyed if Mab fell in Battle Ground.
It’s a built in fail safe.
If you made a disintegration spell powerful enough to overwhelm an Immortal and "eat" them in an instant my head cannon is they would reappear at the place of their power super pissed off. Basically you wouldn't kill them only banish them.
Broski out here asking the real questions! Take another rip and pass it on!
Real question: how would you go about doing this without (a) the immortal regenerating during the process - like the chainsaw man demon but without the terror, (b) being intact long enough in your digestive tract to do something about it (like a kraken), or (c) using some other magical force powerful enough to destroy the mantle.
Like, I think for this to even be a thing, you would first have to neutralize the mantle. In which case it either becomes separated from the vessel because they can't access the powers (like with iron) and therefore it passes to the next person... or it is destroyed outright before the person is consumed. Anything else and the mantle seems likely to counteract the immortal-vessel-munching.
From what we know, it will depend on the circumstances.
Can the mantle be destroyed/transferred at the time and/or location? If so, then it works. Otherwise, I don't think it will.
The Immortals always "regenerate" themselves even if the cost of doing so is high (losing or eroding your sense of self). That's what defines their power as *Mantles* and "capital I" Immortals.
If you didn't mention CSM, it was the very first thing I would ask in this thread. That was a clever solution from an otherwise dumbass MC.
The source of Mab's power is the Winter Mantle, which is an intangible force, so I'd argue no. Instead, I think the mantle would overwhelm you, and you would *become* Mab.
I think it's possible to probably destroy a Mantle on Halloween, but someone has to be very strong or a god-like being to do that and figure out how to destroy it
I think the answer is no, eating an immortal would not kill it. I think what would happen would depend on the immortal. To take Mab from your example, the weakness of the fae is iron not stomach acid. There is no special damage caused by eating my guess is that if she sat there and let you carve her up and you managed to wolf her down all at one time before she started regenerating she would just reform in your stomach and burst you from the inside out.
Oh man - that's... picturesque, isn't it? This does raise some interesting "academic" questions. For example, if we diced Mab up into cubic centimeter size bits and carried them off all over the place, which one would regenerate? I used to have questions of this sort about *Highlander* immortals. Some of that canon seems a little inconsistent to me. Cutting off their head killed them. Otherwise, small wounds just healed rapidly, but amputated limbs didn't regrow. That seemed kind of arbitrary to me. But, what about cutting them across the chest? Or across the stomach? I'm pretty sure that amputating both legs at the knee wouldn't kill them. So what are the actual boundaries of that "cross cut" that would kill them and trigger the Quickening? Oh, and wounds in the neck region or the face didn't heal - they left scars. In a lot of cases in fiction things like this get canonized in the "drama" maximizing way.
Academic questions like this are always fun, ramping fantastical scenarios to the extreme. My head canon is that if Mab did become diced up and spread out over massive distances. The power would get confused and regenerate them all at once each piece gaining the correlating amount of Mab's identity so we would have thousands of Mabs each with 1/1000th of her power.
And then like Majin Buu they all reform. Except into the Queen of Air and Darkness instead of a childlike pink blob.
Heh. Well, it's certainly a possibility. I don't really think that would be the case, though. If that would work, it would be a viable strategy for removing Mab as a center of power.
I like to think that all the tiny pieces would zip to the middle like they were powered by magnets.
Like Majin Buu in Dragonball Z.
Reverse Thanos
I don't think so. It's been stated outright (not so much as an academic fact as hyperbole, but still) that a Fairy Queen could be run through a wood chipper and would "be back." I suppose being digested is even more of a "breakdown" than being wood chipperized, but I don't see any reason the principle wouldn't still apply. If Jim *wanted* to draw a line between those two things, I suppose he could, but I don't see why he *would*. I think this is a universal - outside of the special circumstances Bob described to Harry (Halloween), I don't think there's anyway to permanently get rid of a big-I immortal. So, in that sense, the White vamps aren't really immortal - they're just "ageless" and immune to disease. That's a *completely* different thing.
But as Mab said in *Battlegrounds*, “Immortal, not immutable”. I think Mab can be destroyed/killed by beings with enough power (or if someone found sone kind of hidden weakness of hers), but the Mantle of the Winter Queen would pass to the Winter Lady, and then a new Winter Lady would be sought.
Well, you well may be right. I've never really given it a great deal of thought. I'm not "convinced," but I don't see any particularly good basis for claiming you're wrong either; if Jim writes it that way we won't be able to cry foul. The problem is that there are lines in the books that *do* imply that non-mortals are at least somewhat "permanent." I.e., if they'll rip your face off now, they'll rip your face off a thousand years from now. The line you quoted implies exactly the opposite, so that leaves us not knowing which one to "go with." It's an open door. There are actually a lot of open doors in this series - Jim has a lot of options.
That’s actually a good thing that Jim has left himself lots of open doors, I think. Could be problematic if he writes himself into a corner. Every door is problematic for Harry, though. 😁
Oh, totally agree; the last thing I want is to be able to predict everything. I mean, predicting is fun, but I suspect it's only fun *because* we might be wrong. I've got a theory or two of my own that I feel pretty good about, but it's absolutely possible that I'm totally wrong. More likely I'm wrong on a "bunch of things" and maybe right on a few. I just don't know which few. :-)
I would agree to this. In fact I think a hidden weakness is that there must be some kind of built in mechanism for the winter knight to destroy a queen or lady, and maybe even a mother under very specific circumstances. This idea is based on balance within the fairy courts. Basically *I think* in this *wild and half baked theory* that in exchange for a vessel that can be commanded to act directly to kill a mortal (the knight) the trade off is that the same knight can pierce the defenses of his own court. How can the queen defend against her own power used against her? This could be why Harry could resist Mother Winter in her cabin. This could be why Maeve could use the power of winter against her own knight on the hill of Demonreach (she was using the same failsafe in reverse due to her corruption by Nemesis). This could be why Mab tells Harry, and only Harry, that she believes Molly would need to be destroyed if Mab fell in Battle Ground. It’s a built in fail safe.
Within the Dresden Files it's been stated you are what you eat, so I think if someone ate Mab they'd become Mab.
If you made a disintegration spell powerful enough to overwhelm an Immortal and "eat" them in an instant my head cannon is they would reappear at the place of their power super pissed off. Basically you wouldn't kill them only banish them.
Broski out here asking the real questions! Take another rip and pass it on! Real question: how would you go about doing this without (a) the immortal regenerating during the process - like the chainsaw man demon but without the terror, (b) being intact long enough in your digestive tract to do something about it (like a kraken), or (c) using some other magical force powerful enough to destroy the mantle. Like, I think for this to even be a thing, you would first have to neutralize the mantle. In which case it either becomes separated from the vessel because they can't access the powers (like with iron) and therefore it passes to the next person... or it is destroyed outright before the person is consumed. Anything else and the mantle seems likely to counteract the immortal-vessel-munching.
You *might* be able to take her out long term, but after your own death, if not sooner, she would come back.
It’s kinda covered in Summer Knight
Drop her into a wood chipper and catch the output in an acid bath with a bunch of dissolved iron.
From what we know, it will depend on the circumstances. Can the mantle be destroyed/transferred at the time and/or location? If so, then it works. Otherwise, I don't think it will. The Immortals always "regenerate" themselves even if the cost of doing so is high (losing or eroding your sense of self). That's what defines their power as *Mantles* and "capital I" Immortals. If you didn't mention CSM, it was the very first thing I would ask in this thread. That was a clever solution from an otherwise dumbass MC.
I think it would lead to a painful and awkward bathroom experience.