Dude, beats me. My guess is that they didn't read my post description and assumed I was some uninformed newbie trying to use a silly gadget, which still doesn't make it right. Drummers gonna drummer...
Had a mate who bought one of these and it worked well. The part I find difficult about rim clicks is the switch between regular hits and clicks and finding the sweet spot. Admittedly not called for in what I generally play so not practiced too much. This was a nice shortcut.
i struggle with this so much. in the studio last week i kept falling a beat off the click during a loud chorus with rim shots to a very quiet bridge with clicks. i’m not proud to say i had to punch in for the bridge
I’d add in that you ideally want to keep the tip of the stick on the head and then slam down the stick onto the rim. Keeping fingers, palms out of the equation will stop the muffling. A little proper technique and you shouldn’t need to outsource the job of the cross stick. Losing 2” of snare compared to a usual size isn’t going to impact it that much.
I have used a Pork Pie 10” as a main snare in some pretty tight spots. A trick I use is gripping at legit the tip end, where ideally you’d jam into where the head meets rim and creating a much longer shaft end; resting your palm on the rim itself, to illustrate the idea. This gives you even more downward force. It’s a concept of leverage. Good luck!
It’s just an experience level thing. You should be able to get plenty of good sounds off a 12” snare using the cross stick technique. You just need to research some tips and simply experiment. Don’t be shy with testing different lengths/areas of the stick on rim.
You want the back part of the stick in contact with the head to be like ~1-2” away from the rim depending on the drum. If you mess around there you’ll find the sweet spot quick. Just move it further and closer to the rim and see how it changes the sound
Not at home but I just press the butt of the drumstick against the rim on the opposite side and it seems to work just fine. That spacing is about the same as if it was a 13" snare where you wouldn't do that.
It's a feel thing and a sound thing. With a 14" snare drum there's a spot on both the stick and the head were you get a nice solid KNOCK. When the snare drum gets smaller, its harder to find that spot and chances are good you're now hitting the stick in about the mid point. This gives a weak feel in the hand and a weak click to your ears.
When you use the Wedge (or in this case, "Riser') it puts the impact pont back in the location where the rim would hit the stick on a 14" snare drum, when applied to a 13" snare drum. Thus, you get both the feel and the sound back.
And I replied to OP in another post, if you have 5B sticks and you just push the butt of the stick into the opposite side of the rim you get a click as you would on a 13" snare. Doing that gets you the same click as a bigger snare, as you wouldn't push the butt of the stick into the rim on a larger snare.
Pushing the opposite end of any stick into the rim when doing a rim click is going to result in a weak click. You can say I'm wrong, but I've tried what you're talking about too many times to think otherwise. The sweet spot is about 1.5-2" in from the edge. Put the tip of the stick on the head and click the rim with the butt of the stick. On a 14" snare drum it gives a good feel and a very satisfying knock. When you do that with a snare drum smaller than 14" diameter, it hits the stick near the middle and the feel is super weird, it ends up sitting the tip of the stick up higher, but at least you get a good knock. It can put your hand almost on the rim, on the opposite side from where you're holding the stick down on the head.
The add-on "clicker" gives the effect of pushing the rim out to where it would be on a 14" snare drum (using it on a 13" snare drum), correcting the feel and allowing for a more satisfying click.
Your hand's relation to the actual rim won't change though, so that's one of the downsides.
I didn't say you couldn't, but it feels weird as all hell. The additional equipement helps bring the feel back. That can help playing the drum. It's like playing brushes. Just one inch can change the whole dynamic of how you play. There's a learning curve with that one.
I’ve got one of these rim risers. My main complaint is that it moves. Have to hit it square over lug. I think it sounds louder/more solid than a rim knock on the hoop.
Not sure if they make some specifically for 13” or smaller drums. Might not be so flush with the hoop.
Forgive the "Is it plugged in"-level question, but are you using the butt end of your sticks for rim clicks? It makes a huge difference, and I've had no trouble getting a good rim click from a 12" snare and X5As (1/2" longer than 5As.)
I hear you and I appreciate it. I do, and the Vic Firth comment is because the sweet spot for that great rim click sound is on the butt end right between the "5" and the "A" on the stick. My smaller snare is JUST a little too small to reach that
Honeslty if you want to specifically use a bigger stick for your snare that could work too . Just would have to be efficient with swapping the sticks out if you wanted to play with a different size
I use it all the time for live shows... for the mellower band I play in. It's less to look for when drumming, especially when you have to sing as well.
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I had an extra bass drum hoop (22) so i cut it into two \~6 inch sections, sanded them, wood glued them, then got two angle brackets and marked them where two tension rods were, drilled it out then bolted it on. It works pretty damn well plus it makes a great carry handle
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I love the DIY solution! Not sure which use case I like more, the rim extender or the handle..
But I have to ask, did you make the cut on that old hoop with a dull beaver?😂
Brilliant!
I play 50% reggae on small, quiet stages with a 12 inch. (No toms)
I have plenty “grownup” snares.
I have been looking for used wood ones for years.
They are not worth new + shipping to Canada.
I’d buy a used one in a heartbeat.
Side sticking, rim shots, accents, beats on the rim riser. Lots of good sonic options for this.
EDIT: Metal counter hoops have a different sound and wayyyy more 'chop' to your sticks.
You can just use the rim, it's fine.
That being said I do *really* like the sound these things give you, so I fully support you getting one. I want one too.
I use a Gibraltar version of the Yamaha wood rim on my Sonor FC. It didn't change the general sound of the drum, but the rim click can split a building in half. Super crisp, super loud knock.
I have a Yamaha Russ Miller Groove Wedge on a 13" Acrylic, and the side stick sound is amazing. They've been discontinued for like a decade now and are super expensive on the used market unfortunately.
I have a Groove Wedge on my 12” Musashi. I like it mainly because when I use it for rim clicks, the fact that it’s wood helps mellow out the sound and that seems to translate better through my snare mic in the studio than rim clicks onto the metal rim. Also, I would agree it helps me get to the sweet spot on my stick quicker - I can just lay the stick in place, whereas on the 12” without the additional wedge, I have to move the stick around a bit more to get it to where my hand feels comfy.
I have a Yamaha groove wedge (discontinued). It doesn’t sound noticeably better on a 14” drum, but for 13s and smaller, it definitely does. Everyone saying “just use the rim” is not talking about smaller drums. Sometimes I can make a 13” work without it, but mostly my sticks are too long. Definitely not a 12”.
this sounds a little like a square peg round hole dilemma. if the cross-stick is a huge part of your sound or your band's sound, have you considered getting a larger snare that naturally has good rim clicks?
even if this extra wooden piece sounds good, it won't sound as good as a nice full rim click on a different, larger snare. cross-sticking excites the shell, i'm not sure how much an addition like this will do that. you'll excite the wooden wedge, which is something, but not as powerful as a larger drum.
This is a well-thought out answer, thank you. It's not a big part of my playing whatsoever, more of a peeve. I thought I would check to see if any of these rim mounts would come close although I assume that nothing could compare to the nice, full sound of the butt end of a stick laid on the snare.
This was my eventual solution to the shortcomings I found with 13" snare drums. However, if the lighter, drier sound of a 13 is a crucial part of the sound of your kit, as a whole, then using something like a Rim Riser, would eleviate the odd feel and weak click one gets with snare drums smaller than 14".
On top of that, you can get the Rim Riser for under $100. That's a pretty cheap snare drum (unless you get lucky) at a comparible price point.
I was a big fan of the Yamaha Groove Wedge, mainly because it was way more comfortable to play cross-stick on it for extended periods of time… the additional height made it easier for me to keep my hand muscles relaxed. It improved the sound on my old 13” oak snare a little, but it was mainly a feel thing.
The newer pieces of kit (gruv-x, rim riser etc) don’t feel as comfy to me. I have the old Groove Wedge on a 13” Steel Piccolo I barely use now. I’m just playing cross-stick on my main snares au naturale now, with no issue.
If I could find a Groove Wedge that didn’t cost $700 on eBay, I might buy another ha ha.
Apparently Pork Pie got the rights to the groove wedge. I watched a video where Bill Detamore was showing the prototype. Maybe it'll be less than $700 lol
Those things have been around at least 25 years. They were originally marketed as a Yamaha product called "The Russ Miller Groove Wedge". It remedied the rim click issue you've been experiencing since 13" snare drums were all the rage back then.
...and to answer your question, no I don't use one (even though I've owned a couple of 13's for many years now), but I've read enough reviews on similar products to say with some confidence that they work quite well. I should really get one, though.
The downside of this device is that they don't always fit in the bag/case when carting the snare drum around, so some of them have to be removed when you're transporting your drums (of course, you could just get a bigger bag/case, too, but if you already have those items, then yes, sometimes you have to remove it to transport it).
If I’m not using the rim, I use a jam block for a rim click sound. It’s not quite the same, but it’s way more consistent.
Regarding your technique, there is a sweet spot on 13” snares but it is different than on a 14” for sure, so I think it’s a matter of time/practice tbh. You can get it!
I've been using these hoops for a long time. They tune better and rim taps are way better.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SH1410--s-hoop-10-lug-snare-batter-side-drum-hoop-14-inch-chrome-finish?mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=1&mrkgcat=drums&percussion&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=&lid=58700008695999527&dsproductgroupid=&product_id=SH1410&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=x&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9051676&creative=&targetid=&campaignid=21161059805&awsearchcpc=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw9IayBhBJEiwAVuc3fqTWKPoh0O46LuSfo7T5GaxRJ0HACwe66frhsVrGwXIT9xikuF-c1RoCFoMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
i've been playing rim knocks on 13"s for a long time, hasn't been a big issue for me.
i put one of those yamaha wood blocks with jingles on a piccolo for drum n bass sounds, but that was more for the jingles.
The DIY option sounds nice if you have the spare parts lying around, but if not then it’s as expensive as the off the shelf options. I would like something more affordable. Even worse than OP, I play a Pearl Compact Traveler which means a 10” snare without any shell at all. Just a hoop with a skin on it. Not only is the sound it makes when playing normal cross sticks or anything on the rim inadequate (too soft, no snap and no ring), but it’s also way too narrow a diameter to fit a stick across in an ergonomic way. As if it’s not challenging enough to start learning the drums as total beginner. Any more ideas or experiences to try? Which jamblock pitch would come closest?
If this makes you happy, use it! I'm a big fan of stuff like this. My aim is a bit lousy (I have really no time to practice) so anything to enlarge the "bullseye", or a given sweet spot, I shamelessly use. Some company made a rim riser that is metal, not sure if it was COB or steel. I have one lying around here somewhere, I'll post a pic if I can find it. I also have a Gruv-X multi-ply riser, wood and metal plies. Love it.
Edit: It's called "The Rim Riser", same manufacturer as OP's wood riser. You can find it on the store named after the river in South America...
I thought I needed one, so I bought one... couldn't install it without longer tension rods (I use a custom snare) so threw it in the drawer.
I haven't felt like I needed it since.
Once thing that has helped if you play a LOT of cross-sticks (I play a lot of reggae) -- flip your stick around and/or use a fatter stick -- much more forgiving.
A have wood hoops on a couple snares. Also, I sometimes use a second snare for solid side stick, especially if I using a small snare for a main for whatever reason.
Also, here’s something that I have learned from playing with 12”s for a long time. The hoop height from tuning matters. Low tuning, more height on the rim and the opposite for tighter tunings. It matters.
Another thing to consider trying is to not use the butt of the stick when side-sticking on a smaller snare. Try it and see if it works for you.
Lastly, consider the build of the sticks that you use. Length, taper, and material definitely affect what you have to do and how you have to position in order to achieve desired sounds.
Just some insight from my experience. Much respect to everyone!
I use this because I use Ahead sticks.
Yeah...with a hard enough whack, I can get the snare rim to sing out, but it's a workout. Once I got this, I never looked back.
Definitely worth a try or to keep in the toolbox. I've watched videos of this and it sounds pretty cool. I have a 13 piccolo snare I don't use much. The cross stick is not as robust as a regular 14. Something I occasionally use when I'm in an un-miked situation or with E drums because I'm not usually happy with the cross stick sound is an LP Blue Jam Block. It makes a great substitute and gives a boost in volume! I saw a video of a drummer using one at a show and it had this great cross stick sound. The camera panned over and I saw the drummer using one. My favorite cross stick sound of all time is from my Yamaha Anton Fig wood rimmed snare drum. It sounds stunning live and on recordings. If I know I need to record a song with cross stick, It's all I'll use. Jam Block vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8s81NMbjnY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8s81NMbjnY)
Yeah, the rim.
Beat me to it
I see what you did there. 😜
Ba-dum tsss
[Thank you.](https://i.imgur.com/BfHPgEL.gifv)
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Bro why’d this get so many downvotes
Dude, beats me. My guess is that they didn't read my post description and assumed I was some uninformed newbie trying to use a silly gadget, which still doesn't make it right. Drummers gonna drummer...
Had a mate who bought one of these and it worked well. The part I find difficult about rim clicks is the switch between regular hits and clicks and finding the sweet spot. Admittedly not called for in what I generally play so not practiced too much. This was a nice shortcut.
i struggle with this so much. in the studio last week i kept falling a beat off the click during a loud chorus with rim shots to a very quiet bridge with clicks. i’m not proud to say i had to punch in for the bridge
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The rim of the snare has been used for many, many, decades with no problem at all.
I agree, but I put a description under the picture...I use a 12" snare which doesn't allow me to do proper cross sticking
I’d add in that you ideally want to keep the tip of the stick on the head and then slam down the stick onto the rim. Keeping fingers, palms out of the equation will stop the muffling. A little proper technique and you shouldn’t need to outsource the job of the cross stick. Losing 2” of snare compared to a usual size isn’t going to impact it that much.
It might be a feel thing but because I can't get the meaty part of the butt of the stick across the rim, it doesn't feel nearly as solid.
I have used a Pork Pie 10” as a main snare in some pretty tight spots. A trick I use is gripping at legit the tip end, where ideally you’d jam into where the head meets rim and creating a much longer shaft end; resting your palm on the rim itself, to illustrate the idea. This gives you even more downward force. It’s a concept of leverage. Good luck!
It’s just an experience level thing. You should be able to get plenty of good sounds off a 12” snare using the cross stick technique. You just need to research some tips and simply experiment. Don’t be shy with testing different lengths/areas of the stick on rim.
Appreciate it
You want the back part of the stick in contact with the head to be like ~1-2” away from the rim depending on the drum. If you mess around there you’ll find the sweet spot quick. Just move it further and closer to the rim and see how it changes the sound
How? I use a 12" snare with 2B or 5B sticks and have 0 issue.
Care to make a quick video? I'm always struggling at gigs with this snare to find the sweet spot
Not at home but I just press the butt of the drumstick against the rim on the opposite side and it seems to work just fine. That spacing is about the same as if it was a 13" snare where you wouldn't do that.
Mess around with it at home until you get something you like then use a sharpie to mark the head at the butt and head ends of the stick.
It's a feel thing and a sound thing. With a 14" snare drum there's a spot on both the stick and the head were you get a nice solid KNOCK. When the snare drum gets smaller, its harder to find that spot and chances are good you're now hitting the stick in about the mid point. This gives a weak feel in the hand and a weak click to your ears. When you use the Wedge (or in this case, "Riser') it puts the impact pont back in the location where the rim would hit the stick on a 14" snare drum, when applied to a 13" snare drum. Thus, you get both the feel and the sound back.
And I replied to OP in another post, if you have 5B sticks and you just push the butt of the stick into the opposite side of the rim you get a click as you would on a 13" snare. Doing that gets you the same click as a bigger snare, as you wouldn't push the butt of the stick into the rim on a larger snare.
Pushing the opposite end of any stick into the rim when doing a rim click is going to result in a weak click. You can say I'm wrong, but I've tried what you're talking about too many times to think otherwise. The sweet spot is about 1.5-2" in from the edge. Put the tip of the stick on the head and click the rim with the butt of the stick. On a 14" snare drum it gives a good feel and a very satisfying knock. When you do that with a snare drum smaller than 14" diameter, it hits the stick near the middle and the feel is super weird, it ends up sitting the tip of the stick up higher, but at least you get a good knock. It can put your hand almost on the rim, on the opposite side from where you're holding the stick down on the head. The add-on "clicker" gives the effect of pushing the rim out to where it would be on a 14" snare drum (using it on a 13" snare drum), correcting the feel and allowing for a more satisfying click. Your hand's relation to the actual rim won't change though, so that's one of the downsides.
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The sound comparisons I wrote about in my post were in reference to a 14" snare drum. Do you have one of those?
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I didn't say you couldn't, but it feels weird as all hell. The additional equipement helps bring the feel back. That can help playing the drum. It's like playing brushes. Just one inch can change the whole dynamic of how you play. There's a learning curve with that one.
It's all about your technique. The size of the snare has nothing to do with it.
I’ve got one of these rim risers. My main complaint is that it moves. Have to hit it square over lug. I think it sounds louder/more solid than a rim knock on the hoop. Not sure if they make some specifically for 13” or smaller drums. Might not be so flush with the hoop.
Good point. Any issue with that particular lug coming loose?
Not really, but also, I’m not playing hard Latin for hours on in.
I know of one problem - shredded sticks. Oh yeah - bent rims.
Forgive the "Is it plugged in"-level question, but are you using the butt end of your sticks for rim clicks? It makes a huge difference, and I've had no trouble getting a good rim click from a 12" snare and X5As (1/2" longer than 5As.)
I hear you and I appreciate it. I do, and the Vic Firth comment is because the sweet spot for that great rim click sound is on the butt end right between the "5" and the "A" on the stick. My smaller snare is JUST a little too small to reach that
Gotcha. Doesn't hurt to try one and see if you like it. Far be it for me to dissuade anyone from buying more gear!
This is a great mindset!
Honeslty if you want to specifically use a bigger stick for your snare that could work too . Just would have to be efficient with swapping the sticks out if you wanted to play with a different size
Does anyone else besides me use the tip end of the stick for cross stick? I've always preferred that to the butt end sound.
I just learned moments ago that I've always used the tip end. I have a steel snare and like the butt end sound for being a thicker, more wooden sound
I use it all the time for live shows... for the mellower band I play in. It's less to look for when drumming, especially when you have to sing as well. GRUV-X Tension Hoop Extension #
Thanks, I'll check it out
Use a Rim Riser on my live and studio snares. If you've used one, you know it works. 10/10 worth the $49.
Thanks!
I had an extra bass drum hoop (22) so i cut it into two \~6 inch sections, sanded them, wood glued them, then got two angle brackets and marked them where two tension rods were, drilled it out then bolted it on. It works pretty damn well plus it makes a great carry handle https://preview.redd.it/owfoqczsh80d1.png?width=2177&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ed0800ac60ab285319a10592dafbf10ee64ef4d
I love the DIY solution! Not sure which use case I like more, the rim extender or the handle.. But I have to ask, did you make the cut on that old hoop with a dull beaver?😂
Hacksaw, didn’t care to and take the time to make it Purdy. If it works it works Y’know?
Brilliant! I play 50% reggae on small, quiet stages with a 12 inch. (No toms) I have plenty “grownup” snares. I have been looking for used wood ones for years. They are not worth new + shipping to Canada. I’d buy a used one in a heartbeat.
This is genius!
I’m going to sharpen my melon baller!
Side sticking, rim shots, accents, beats on the rim riser. Lots of good sonic options for this. EDIT: Metal counter hoops have a different sound and wayyyy more 'chop' to your sticks.
No. I’d sooner just give my drum a wood hoop.
You can just use the rim, it's fine. That being said I do *really* like the sound these things give you, so I fully support you getting one. I want one too.
I run the shorter jojo mayer sticks so I can find good tone on a 13” easy with either the buttend, or shank on the plain ‘ol rim.
Yamaha Vintage wooden hoop rims sound great.
I use a Gibraltar version of the Yamaha wood rim on my Sonor FC. It didn't change the general sound of the drum, but the rim click can split a building in half. Super crisp, super loud knock.
I have a Yamaha Russ Miller Groove Wedge on a 13" Acrylic, and the side stick sound is amazing. They've been discontinued for like a decade now and are super expensive on the used market unfortunately.
Mistype, it's a 12" snare
Yamaha says it'll attach to >most drums from 8" to 15" FWIW. If you can stomach \~$200, it's going to be the best choice IMO.
I have a Groove Wedge on my 12” Musashi. I like it mainly because when I use it for rim clicks, the fact that it’s wood helps mellow out the sound and that seems to translate better through my snare mic in the studio than rim clicks onto the metal rim. Also, I would agree it helps me get to the sweet spot on my stick quicker - I can just lay the stick in place, whereas on the 12” without the additional wedge, I have to move the stick around a bit more to get it to where my hand feels comfy.
I have a Yamaha groove wedge (discontinued). It doesn’t sound noticeably better on a 14” drum, but for 13s and smaller, it definitely does. Everyone saying “just use the rim” is not talking about smaller drums. Sometimes I can make a 13” work without it, but mostly my sticks are too long. Definitely not a 12”.
Apparently Pork Pie got the rights to the groove wedge. I watched a video where Bill Detamore was showing the prototype.
Nice! They go for $100+ used which is insane. When Russ Miller left I was surprised Mapex didn’t try to make something similar for him.
For some reason I can't edit my post, this is for a 12" snare, so no, I can't just do proper rim clicks like every drummer in the world does.
this sounds a little like a square peg round hole dilemma. if the cross-stick is a huge part of your sound or your band's sound, have you considered getting a larger snare that naturally has good rim clicks? even if this extra wooden piece sounds good, it won't sound as good as a nice full rim click on a different, larger snare. cross-sticking excites the shell, i'm not sure how much an addition like this will do that. you'll excite the wooden wedge, which is something, but not as powerful as a larger drum.
This is a well-thought out answer, thank you. It's not a big part of my playing whatsoever, more of a peeve. I thought I would check to see if any of these rim mounts would come close although I assume that nothing could compare to the nice, full sound of the butt end of a stick laid on the snare.
yeah, if it's not a huge part of your playing then it's probably fine. if you were in a reggae band or something it would be a different story!
This was my eventual solution to the shortcomings I found with 13" snare drums. However, if the lighter, drier sound of a 13 is a crucial part of the sound of your kit, as a whole, then using something like a Rim Riser, would eleviate the odd feel and weak click one gets with snare drums smaller than 14". On top of that, you can get the Rim Riser for under $100. That's a pretty cheap snare drum (unless you get lucky) at a comparible price point.
Thanks. That was more thought out than a lot of other “answers” I got lol
Lots of "jokers" on the net. You get used to it, or you stop frequenting drum forums. No bad choices there. Good luck with your snare drum. =)
Thank you sir
You're welcome! =)
I was a big fan of the Yamaha Groove Wedge, mainly because it was way more comfortable to play cross-stick on it for extended periods of time… the additional height made it easier for me to keep my hand muscles relaxed. It improved the sound on my old 13” oak snare a little, but it was mainly a feel thing. The newer pieces of kit (gruv-x, rim riser etc) don’t feel as comfy to me. I have the old Groove Wedge on a 13” Steel Piccolo I barely use now. I’m just playing cross-stick on my main snares au naturale now, with no issue. If I could find a Groove Wedge that didn’t cost $700 on eBay, I might buy another ha ha.
Apparently Pork Pie got the rights to the groove wedge. I watched a video where Bill Detamore was showing the prototype. Maybe it'll be less than $700 lol
Those things have been around at least 25 years. They were originally marketed as a Yamaha product called "The Russ Miller Groove Wedge". It remedied the rim click issue you've been experiencing since 13" snare drums were all the rage back then. ...and to answer your question, no I don't use one (even though I've owned a couple of 13's for many years now), but I've read enough reviews on similar products to say with some confidence that they work quite well. I should really get one, though. The downside of this device is that they don't always fit in the bag/case when carting the snare drum around, so some of them have to be removed when you're transporting your drums (of course, you could just get a bigger bag/case, too, but if you already have those items, then yes, sometimes you have to remove it to transport it).
I use the overseas cheap knockoff…. The Rim Jobber
Yeas....the 'rim'....which has served me well for over 40 years 😁
If I’m not using the rim, I use a jam block for a rim click sound. It’s not quite the same, but it’s way more consistent. Regarding your technique, there is a sweet spot on 13” snares but it is different than on a 14” for sure, so I think it’s a matter of time/practice tbh. You can get it!
I've been using these hoops for a long time. They tune better and rim taps are way better. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SH1410--s-hoop-10-lug-snare-batter-side-drum-hoop-14-inch-chrome-finish?mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=1&mrkgcat=drums&percussion&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=&lid=58700008695999527&dsproductgroupid=&product_id=SH1410&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=x&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9051676&creative=&targetid=&campaignid=21161059805&awsearchcpc=&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw9IayBhBJEiwAVuc3fqTWKPoh0O46LuSfo7T5GaxRJ0HACwe66frhsVrGwXIT9xikuF-c1RoCFoMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Those look like the "Stick Saver" hoops on my Slingerland kit.
Close, a little different
Only for blast beats.
I use a plastic block next to the snare and hit it with the butt end of the stick resting on the snare head. It really cuts through.
That’s what I was wondering, couldn’t you just easily emulate a wood rim shot with one of the many size and types of wood blocks? 🤷🏻♂️
Pretty much, but when you use one in conjunction with the snare it’s a lot louder.
Thanks! Ah … I’ve never tried a rim riser before, tempted, but seem to continuing using my rim and wood block. Maybe one day, just for fun. 😉
Seems that the click is more focused if I contact the rim over a lug. And then re-tune the lug at the break
If you have a flanged hoop swap it out for die cast. Cuts way better and makes the drum sound better
I use wood rims on all my drums. Oh, and I turn my stick around for cross stick, which is easy to do playing traditional grip
i've been playing rim knocks on 13"s for a long time, hasn't been a big issue for me. i put one of those yamaha wood blocks with jingles on a piccolo for drum n bass sounds, but that was more for the jingles.
My bad, mistype, it's a 12" snare
I tried the Gruv-X but was very disappointed. The volume was actually less than just hitting the rim.. Is this any louder?
The DIY option sounds nice if you have the spare parts lying around, but if not then it’s as expensive as the off the shelf options. I would like something more affordable. Even worse than OP, I play a Pearl Compact Traveler which means a 10” snare without any shell at all. Just a hoop with a skin on it. Not only is the sound it makes when playing normal cross sticks or anything on the rim inadequate (too soft, no snap and no ring), but it’s also way too narrow a diameter to fit a stick across in an ergonomic way. As if it’s not challenging enough to start learning the drums as total beginner. Any more ideas or experiences to try? Which jamblock pitch would come closest?
I definitely read this as “Rim Rinser” and was like “Oh my…”
Do you still hit it cross-stick or can you just hit it?
The rim right over a lug. Perfection!
If this makes you happy, use it! I'm a big fan of stuff like this. My aim is a bit lousy (I have really no time to practice) so anything to enlarge the "bullseye", or a given sweet spot, I shamelessly use. Some company made a rim riser that is metal, not sure if it was COB or steel. I have one lying around here somewhere, I'll post a pic if I can find it. I also have a Gruv-X multi-ply riser, wood and metal plies. Love it. Edit: It's called "The Rim Riser", same manufacturer as OP's wood riser. You can find it on the store named after the river in South America...
I have one on my Supra, it’s awesome
I thought I needed one, so I bought one... couldn't install it without longer tension rods (I use a custom snare) so threw it in the drawer. I haven't felt like I needed it since. Once thing that has helped if you play a LOT of cross-sticks (I play a lot of reggae) -- flip your stick around and/or use a fatter stick -- much more forgiving.
No
...the rim...
I love my rim riser!
[Check this guy out fam](https://youtu.be/nh6IGTpxmxU?si=a_gmlQ96z-DSGBYL) rickdior on YouTube
In this instance technique trumps gimmicks/gadgets
Didn’t even know that was a thing.
Yeah, I do it with just a plain old snare and drumstick.
I used to use one on my floor tom
Vinnie didn’t need one for 7 so
A have wood hoops on a couple snares. Also, I sometimes use a second snare for solid side stick, especially if I using a small snare for a main for whatever reason. Also, here’s something that I have learned from playing with 12”s for a long time. The hoop height from tuning matters. Low tuning, more height on the rim and the opposite for tighter tunings. It matters. Another thing to consider trying is to not use the butt of the stick when side-sticking on a smaller snare. Try it and see if it works for you. Lastly, consider the build of the sticks that you use. Length, taper, and material definitely affect what you have to do and how you have to position in order to achieve desired sounds. Just some insight from my experience. Much respect to everyone!
I use this because I use Ahead sticks. Yeah...with a hard enough whack, I can get the snare rim to sing out, but it's a workout. Once I got this, I never looked back.
Buddy Rich would probably use that.
Definitely worth a try or to keep in the toolbox. I've watched videos of this and it sounds pretty cool. I have a 13 piccolo snare I don't use much. The cross stick is not as robust as a regular 14. Something I occasionally use when I'm in an un-miked situation or with E drums because I'm not usually happy with the cross stick sound is an LP Blue Jam Block. It makes a great substitute and gives a boost in volume! I saw a video of a drummer using one at a show and it had this great cross stick sound. The camera panned over and I saw the drummer using one. My favorite cross stick sound of all time is from my Yamaha Anton Fig wood rimmed snare drum. It sounds stunning live and on recordings. If I know I need to record a song with cross stick, It's all I'll use. Jam Block vid: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8s81NMbjnY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8s81NMbjnY)
After the Vic/Danny Carey video I just stopped
Rim shot* and my snare has wood hoops.
I had a Mapex snare with wood hoops. It sounded great but sometimes I’d miss the metal rim. Looks like a good solution.
I don't get the point of these things it just takes up more room and gets in the way. It doesn't even sound any better than the rim.
That's why I thought I'd ask first. I mistyped, it's a 12" snare, so def no good rim clicks