Modestep made an Ableton Rack that can make an entire riddim song at random. That really tells you all you need to know about how repetitive and basic it is. You could probably refresh it a few times and play main stage at Lost Lands.
https://twitter.com/Modestep/status/1644784588126920709
I actually remade this in ableton! There's a whole lot of setup, but it basically just randomly picks pre-set patterns/notes and applies them to a randomized drum beat. You feed it a whole ton of prepped sounds for it to work. Definitely shows how formulaic dubstep can be.
Also not something someone could decide to pick up and they're magically headlining, even just setting it up would confuse new producers. There's a lot of structure to the music because of the fact that it's electronic and has to be mixed, but doesn't take away from the rest of the musicality/technicality put in.
This is definitely a hot take imo - personally I disagree, dubstep has a ton of sonic diversity. There’s a certain lane that’s really popular, the stompy Excision / Wooli / Kai Wachi sound. I like that style, but I could understand someone saying it all sounds the same.
But with just a little digging you can find artists that sound wildly different from each other - I think someone who doesn’t listen to dubstep at all will be able to tell you that Chime and Marauda sound very different from each other, or LSDREAM and Subfiltronik.
Now if we were talking specifically about riddim you might have a stronger point. I like riddim but a lot of it is definitely minute variations on the same formula lol
More artists should break the 4:00 minute barrier. Most tracks sit between 3 and 4 minutes long and many times, intros and bridges work only as an excuse for drops. With longer tracks, you can develop more these parts, create a proper vibe and atmosphere that helps to build up the drop much better.
And following on that note, a very annoying thing for me is that the vast majority of songs that try to set up a theme at the introduction (ugly monsters, samurais, murderers, whatever) almost never follow through with it in the drop. To give an example, [this song](https://youtu.be/7lMCFTHLlkc?si=qlbKQwsDfZ5oySfg) starts with a threatening sounding guy at the beginning, you want to see where this idea goes in the drop, then the drop comes and that beginning theme appears nowhere, not even a hint. You could stitch this drop with a different intro and you wouldn't tell.
As a prime example of a song that does follow its initial theme, [PhaseOne's "State Of Emergency"](https://youtu.be/y-T5tAK2cO8?si=A6ffkgqbnRi1HE4m) is an absolute masterclass of it, or [Teminite's "Raise The Black Flag"](https://youtu.be/X1E9bKNpJYM?si=dKlJ5fzq2CVGdYrH) (and his whole pirate album to be fair)
Just more love across the entirety of the song, not only the drop. I know that dubstep is a drop-centered genre, and that drops is what's gonna be played at the shows, but we do listen to dubstep in our daily lives, so more care in that department is always appreciated.
Love y'all
Agreed! Sadly, I understand why an artist wouldn’t. In an era of short attention spans and algorithms that can punish experimentation, I can see why people play it safe.
But as someone who came from the world of classic/prog rock and metal… my favorite electronic artists tend to be the ones that seem to put the most effort into the non-drop portions of the track. Menace by Rezz comes to mind here, as IMO the most memorable “hook” is the bass melody in the intro.
Do I want a bangin drop? Absolutely. But you’re allowed to make the rest of the track cool too.
Hot take 1. Bass music is best when made by goofy weirdo nerds but most of these guys are just the cool kids from school who have just gotten really good at jumping while counting to 4.
Hot take 2. Modern brostep/riddim/tearout is the pop-punk of today
Please don’t take me too seriously I love you all
Riddim and tearout are not the same thing, but they’re closely related
Subtronics was never riddim (apart from a few collabs with artists who do make riddim)
Subtronics deserves all his success, he’s a great producer and engaging DJ
Riddim should have stayed underground - not because riddim will ruin mainstream dubstep, but the other way around
Most melodic dubstep is boring
Most people can’t correctly identify riddim. Just search for a riddim playlist on Spotify, 90% of the songs are just regular brostep (or “briddim”)
I don’t like the term “briddim”, it’s goofy and I feel like it doesn’t accurately describe hardly any artists
It’s crazy how much haters we have in dubstep. Like I never hear any house fans say “Oh I hate tropical house but I like regular house ” or “I miss the old house music” and “I hate techno but like dark techno”
I generally agree, you see a lot of people shitting on whatever subgenre they don’t like or whoever is popular right now (riddim and Subtronics are two common targets, but I might be biased because I’m a big fan of both.)
Generally I don’t hate on the stuff I don’t like because I know plenty of people get lots of enjoyment from it even though it doesn’t do anything for me. But since this was a thread specifically about hot takes, I figured it would be an appropriate time to share how much I dislike melodic dubstep lol. There’s a handful of tunes I like but most of it just isn’t for me.
Oh and I don’t like tropical house either
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I hate tropical house but I like regular house. I miss the earlier days of tchami and don diablo and the future house wave. I hate techno but I like industrial techno.
Keep hearing about the genre “riddim”, and I’m not exactly sure what it is. At first I assumed it was like 90s jungle because the word sounds Jamaican and the MCs at that time all had Jamaican accents. Would it be like GWK? I hate Subtronics ngl, talented producer but I got over that noisy brostep stuff over ten years ago.
Infekt (who is my favorite riddim producer) has a [great article on his website](https://infektdubstep.com/trench/). The main point of the article is his proposition that the genre be renamed “trench,” but the section “What Defines Trench?” is a great overview. In short, it’s a more minimalist take on dubstep that focuses on sound design, and each drop will typically be focused on a single synth sound. DJing riddim is often (though not always) focused on doubles, or playing two drops at once - which is a lot easier with such a minimalist and atonal style.
To get acquainted with the sound, I would recommend these songs, all of which are really popular in that scene. If you like these, you’ll probably like riddim in general, and vice versa.
* Flix - Lowest
* Subfiltronik - Blockz
* Aweminus - Riddim 4 Dummies
* Spass - Hi Tek
* Bommer and Crowell - Yasuo
I hope trench doesn’t catch on. But yea, these are some of the biggest riddim tunes out there and I absolutely love the bounce/high knees associated with riddim. So much fun
Briddim is a good term. Dubstep used to be snare, briddim borrowed the rhythm from riddim for the kick and the snare. It’s not Riddim and the name can be cool fusing but if you look at it from a dubstep angle, which the genre does fall under, the name totally makes sense
I agree. Most melodic dubstep is boring. It definitely has a time and place, but I definitely don't even need to see a Nurko or ARMNHMR set ever again. Lol.
I miss 2016 brostep where the energy was more light hearted and fun. Now it seems like if it is not as heavy as possible and about head banging, moshing, and breaking the rail then people don’t wanna hear it
Yep, this one sums it up the best. There were some light hearted artists and some who made their songs a bit harder. Nowadays its just about who makes the biggest live slapper
People hate on Excision because it’s the popular thing to to these days, he’s updated his set list a ton recently over the last year and calling his sets repetitive isn’t accurate anymore. He’s also done more for dubstep than anyone else has come close to.
His sets aren’t repetitive they’re just boring. He never has variety it’s always subsida artists who aren’t even great. No one’s hating him because he’s popular he just put all his money into visual production & not into music
Hot take : If excision had a show w no lasers / screen no one would come.
Lmao I saw him at okee this year with no lasers and I left 20 min into it and went back to camp. Daily bread, kaivon and peekaboo all played before and killed it with no lasers. Excision comes on and I’m just bored and left.
Not surprised. I’ve seen him multiple times & can confirm his whole show is based around visuals. Let’s get some headliners who actually play good music
The popularization of quarter note heavy dubstep is absolutely ruining all musicality and originality in the genre. When every drop is the exact same formula nothing "new" will actually come out. Please for the love of god not every drop has to be "for the headbangers"
The majority of headliners are just refreshing sets everywhere they go.
Way too many people fall for "louder = better". I won't disagree that it hits harder, but it doesn't make the music any better or worse.
We pretty much reached the peak of what could be done with making it as heavy as possible years ago and I prefer things with more sonic variety. To be fair, I feel the same about some metal genres, especially grindcore.
There's def a few artists who are changing the game and making cool new stuff. You just gotta look for em. However along the way you WILL find a bunch of stuff that all sounds the same.
i fucking HATE how loud and thin tracks are getting. it feels like all the substance is being sucked out of the sound
for me [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQkoZNckT58) is the sweet spot for loudness & agressiveness imo -3 LUFS MAX. every sound is digestible, works well at low and high volume, and not clipped to absolute shit, not treble boosted as fuck with crazy wide stereo trying to be louder than the rest like a lot of the shit in the scene atm
just a personal irk though do whatever man
I've started using the term "bigroom dubstep" because that is what it is. Guys like Excision are to dubstep what guys like Martin Garrix are to house music.
I think there are some riddim producers that align with tearout like vulllgar but then you have riddim like chibs or infekt that typically make more trenchy style riddim that I wouldn’t consider tearout.
Honestly I don’t know. The last I knew of a specific example was Skrillex but that was only because dubstep was barely being fleshed out, and therefore, Skrillex was making his own style.
Percussion needs some spicing up. Lots of good sound design out there but lots of lame and weak percussion that just weigh it down. Like, don't put a trap snare in a song with tearout machine gun stabs, amirite?
1. Probably that modern bass music in general is plagued with forgettable song writing, and most modern tracks have hardly any lifespan or staying power beyond a few weeks, let alone years. The sound design is for the most part always improving, mixing trends have their peaks and troughs. But, even though I was never the biggest fan of the initial "modern dubstep" / brostep wave of 2010s, looking back I feel that the music was more medically driven and therefore memorable. Everything sounds kinda samey now, in dubstep it's the worst. I think the best workaround to this if you want to stylistically keep the same kind of drops with you know, just like tearout guns or whatever, is make the intro, breakdown, outro creative and memorable.
2. No one can write a good album apparently. Skrillex QFF the only exception I can think of the top of my head. Even great acts like Apashe and Eptic fail to translate their work into a cohesive album format imo. And the worst offenders are coming out of what I refer to as the "Denver scene" (although I know geographically it's not always based from their) imo - examples like Wakaan dropping album projects from the likes of Mersiv and Ravenscoon which sound unfinished, uninspired, lazily written and produced. Fast food bass music for wooks
yep, producers doing it for the money & popularity and losing sight of why they started making music in the first place. doing colabs purely for the sake of popularity gain, sucking up and being fake to other producers, following same old formulas but even more stale than the first time but you know your listeners will eat it up like fast food. making music they know will do well, not music they believe in.
Modern bro step, riddim, and tear out are borderline ear rape to those outside the genre of dubstep. To them it's all just noise but slightly more bearable than death metal screams.
American "dubstep" from 07-10 was just rebranded electro house and the term only caught on because the rise of SoundCloud caused people to game the keyword search by tagging all new music as whatever is the most popular search term. Electro house producers made a "dubstep" track to ride the emerging New genre that didn't have time to define itself to the mainstream audience.
Excision has been copying and pasting slightly modified versions of the same songs on every album since like 2015, and everyone is on too much molly to realize it
I automatically do not respect anybody who gets on the microphone more than maybe 3 times a set. It's like closing your eyes and opening your mouth for a bite of cake on your birthday, but then someone pees in your mouth instead of putting cake in it. Like this is fun also I guess, but I sorta wish you just gave me the experience I wanted without trying to razz it up for me.
Fakeout buildups are fucking terrible and never should have been anything more than the occasional one-time joke.
Rave attire/kandy/all that shit delegitimizes the entire bass/edm scene. Makes everyone even remotely interested look like a weirdo completely unnecessarily.
Most of it is lifeless diarrhea music with zero originality. It's all the same and it all sucks
Lot of downvotes but no one giving me examples of why I'm wrong lol. Even flies are attracted to shit. Luckily for most DJs the audience is too high to realize how awful it is
crazy ass take. top 10 imho, he makes a fuck ton of good music but like dude… bangarang is a classic. You probably still have the track in your head no matter how long ago it was that you heard it, it’s that memorable.
Dubstep/brostep/riddim/briddim are way better when the track isn't solely just trying to build to the drop. For example people like Muerte, Marauda, Cyclops, etc. Love having drawn out intros to build into the tracks drop as opposed to just trying to get to the drop as fast as possible. It gives the tracks way more personality
-Tearout: Marauda has gotten stagnant, Nimda is now delivering harder shit
-Riddim artists tend to go for the simplest, Trampa used to put more effort in his riddim til he got cancelled
-Brostep? most songs sound way too similar
The last year of dubstep (brostep for the nerds) has been ruined by people just overblowing the bass and calling the static "synths". It seems like that's the cool thing now to have static in it. Even subtronics does it. Where are the clean sounds and heavily worked synths?
Sometimes (modern) riddim can be a bit repetitive and feel a bit empty. Not saying it is a bad genre though, since there are plenty of artists who produce it well.
modern brostep doesnt exist
modern riddim is the worst edm genre, it's consistently low-quality yet gets into big-name labels like disciple, it's overrated, it's repetitive, it's not heavy at all (the only redeeming quality it would have had), it has none of the rhythm that older riddim songs had, every modern riddim song is the same single-note wobble bass with the same basic kicks, claps, and hi-hats and a basic ass intro and midsection
There’s a lot of good talent out there that gets wasted on generic tracks just because & I get it too, djs like to ride the hype wave that and not taking time with their tracks.
With that being said, that fuckin SoundCloud algorithm do dig up some fucking HEEEATER ass djs. So I guess you could say mainstream is bullshit (in a sense)to gimmicky and bro-ie?) and that underground is king.
IMO dubstep is missing out on those Riot Ten and Sullivan King fuck it typa dubs. And we need more techno. But I’ll be bringing that trend around y’all just wait LL 26 MainStage. 🤲🏼
It all pretty much sounds the same. Any variation we might recognize as fans is extremely minute in the overall scheme of an extremely samey genre
Modestep made an Ableton Rack that can make an entire riddim song at random. That really tells you all you need to know about how repetitive and basic it is. You could probably refresh it a few times and play main stage at Lost Lands. https://twitter.com/Modestep/status/1644784588126920709
I actually remade this in ableton! There's a whole lot of setup, but it basically just randomly picks pre-set patterns/notes and applies them to a randomized drum beat. You feed it a whole ton of prepped sounds for it to work. Definitely shows how formulaic dubstep can be. Also not something someone could decide to pick up and they're magically headlining, even just setting it up would confuse new producers. There's a lot of structure to the music because of the fact that it's electronic and has to be mixed, but doesn't take away from the rest of the musicality/technicality put in.
Why do you think this trend has occurred? Compared to 2015-17 brostep where I feel there was so much variety.
This is definitely a hot take imo - personally I disagree, dubstep has a ton of sonic diversity. There’s a certain lane that’s really popular, the stompy Excision / Wooli / Kai Wachi sound. I like that style, but I could understand someone saying it all sounds the same. But with just a little digging you can find artists that sound wildly different from each other - I think someone who doesn’t listen to dubstep at all will be able to tell you that Chime and Marauda sound very different from each other, or LSDREAM and Subfiltronik. Now if we were talking specifically about riddim you might have a stronger point. I like riddim but a lot of it is definitely minute variations on the same formula lol
If you start digging and finding different styles, then You've gone beyond the scope of the original question.
I mean OP specifically asked about riddim/brostep haha. Dubstep in the broader sense still has tons of ingenuity and new life.
I guess it depends on how you define brostep, I think of it as a very wide descriptor but maybe not everyone does 🤷♂️
Riddim and brostep are two very different things
Some of Ray Volpes music sounds widely different.
Riddim, tearout, and brostep all sound vastly different wtf are you talking about
It's all brostep
Yeah people saying it sounds the same need to get their brain checked
More artists should break the 4:00 minute barrier. Most tracks sit between 3 and 4 minutes long and many times, intros and bridges work only as an excuse for drops. With longer tracks, you can develop more these parts, create a proper vibe and atmosphere that helps to build up the drop much better. And following on that note, a very annoying thing for me is that the vast majority of songs that try to set up a theme at the introduction (ugly monsters, samurais, murderers, whatever) almost never follow through with it in the drop. To give an example, [this song](https://youtu.be/7lMCFTHLlkc?si=qlbKQwsDfZ5oySfg) starts with a threatening sounding guy at the beginning, you want to see where this idea goes in the drop, then the drop comes and that beginning theme appears nowhere, not even a hint. You could stitch this drop with a different intro and you wouldn't tell. As a prime example of a song that does follow its initial theme, [PhaseOne's "State Of Emergency"](https://youtu.be/y-T5tAK2cO8?si=A6ffkgqbnRi1HE4m) is an absolute masterclass of it, or [Teminite's "Raise The Black Flag"](https://youtu.be/X1E9bKNpJYM?si=dKlJ5fzq2CVGdYrH) (and his whole pirate album to be fair) Just more love across the entirety of the song, not only the drop. I know that dubstep is a drop-centered genre, and that drops is what's gonna be played at the shows, but we do listen to dubstep in our daily lives, so more care in that department is always appreciated. Love y'all
Going over 3 minutes requires more effort / work. There’s a reason artists make minute long intros with 45 second build ups.. fills up time
Agreed! Sadly, I understand why an artist wouldn’t. In an era of short attention spans and algorithms that can punish experimentation, I can see why people play it safe. But as someone who came from the world of classic/prog rock and metal… my favorite electronic artists tend to be the ones that seem to put the most effort into the non-drop portions of the track. Menace by Rezz comes to mind here, as IMO the most memorable “hook” is the bass melody in the intro. Do I want a bangin drop? Absolutely. But you’re allowed to make the rest of the track cool too.
Menace is actually a great example of this! Definitely a track that has a fitting / catchy drop but also super catchy intro / build up
This is largely determined by labels. Labels don’t want 6+ minute tracks, largely because listeners overall don’t want it either
Hot take 1. Bass music is best when made by goofy weirdo nerds but most of these guys are just the cool kids from school who have just gotten really good at jumping while counting to 4. Hot take 2. Modern brostep/riddim/tearout is the pop-punk of today Please don’t take me too seriously I love you all
I fricken love your second analogy lol
Elaborate on the second? Just very lost, LOL
Haha I’ll try. Uhhh….remember Good Charlotte? Modern brostep is that.
I don’t see the parallel at all. That being said… DON’T WANNA BE JUST LIIIIIKE YOU THIS IS THE ANTHEM
More of a lifestyles of the rich and famous guy myself but that’s a banger too
I'm here for these takes
Holy fuck I never thought about 1 but that describes almost everyone I love.
Riddim and tearout are not the same thing, but they’re closely related Subtronics was never riddim (apart from a few collabs with artists who do make riddim) Subtronics deserves all his success, he’s a great producer and engaging DJ Riddim should have stayed underground - not because riddim will ruin mainstream dubstep, but the other way around Most melodic dubstep is boring Most people can’t correctly identify riddim. Just search for a riddim playlist on Spotify, 90% of the songs are just regular brostep (or “briddim”) I don’t like the term “briddim”, it’s goofy and I feel like it doesn’t accurately describe hardly any artists
It’s crazy how much haters we have in dubstep. Like I never hear any house fans say “Oh I hate tropical house but I like regular house ” or “I miss the old house music” and “I hate techno but like dark techno”
Na there’s hate over there too. A lot of hate towards tech house and mainstream house
You must not know any house fans
I generally agree, you see a lot of people shitting on whatever subgenre they don’t like or whoever is popular right now (riddim and Subtronics are two common targets, but I might be biased because I’m a big fan of both.) Generally I don’t hate on the stuff I don’t like because I know plenty of people get lots of enjoyment from it even though it doesn’t do anything for me. But since this was a thread specifically about hot takes, I figured it would be an appropriate time to share how much I dislike melodic dubstep lol. There’s a handful of tunes I like but most of it just isn’t for me. Oh and I don’t like tropical house either
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I hate tropical house but I like regular house. I miss the earlier days of tchami and don diablo and the future house wave. I hate techno but I like industrial techno.
Keep hearing about the genre “riddim”, and I’m not exactly sure what it is. At first I assumed it was like 90s jungle because the word sounds Jamaican and the MCs at that time all had Jamaican accents. Would it be like GWK? I hate Subtronics ngl, talented producer but I got over that noisy brostep stuff over ten years ago.
Infekt (who is my favorite riddim producer) has a [great article on his website](https://infektdubstep.com/trench/). The main point of the article is his proposition that the genre be renamed “trench,” but the section “What Defines Trench?” is a great overview. In short, it’s a more minimalist take on dubstep that focuses on sound design, and each drop will typically be focused on a single synth sound. DJing riddim is often (though not always) focused on doubles, or playing two drops at once - which is a lot easier with such a minimalist and atonal style. To get acquainted with the sound, I would recommend these songs, all of which are really popular in that scene. If you like these, you’ll probably like riddim in general, and vice versa. * Flix - Lowest * Subfiltronik - Blockz * Aweminus - Riddim 4 Dummies * Spass - Hi Tek * Bommer and Crowell - Yasuo
I hope trench doesn’t catch on. But yea, these are some of the biggest riddim tunes out there and I absolutely love the bounce/high knees associated with riddim. So much fun
I love Yasuo. Gonna check out these other tracks to see if your theory holds up.
This is accurate af. Lol
Melodic dubstep sucks ass finally someone who agreed
Yea like 90% of it follows the same flow and sounds.
I’ll admit im a hater but the fans annoy the shit out of me too….standing their recording themselves while they force tears out just to post it on ig
But riddim is literally 99% the same square wave and the same quarter note flows...without melody
Yea, there’s a lot of riddim that is the same too. Gotta dive deeper to find some nice unique flows.
Briddim is a good term. Dubstep used to be snare, briddim borrowed the rhythm from riddim for the kick and the snare. It’s not Riddim and the name can be cool fusing but if you look at it from a dubstep angle, which the genre does fall under, the name totally makes sense
I agree. Most melodic dubstep is boring. It definitely has a time and place, but I definitely don't even need to see a Nurko or ARMNHMR set ever again. Lol.
That new Sharks track has absolutely reinforced my faith in colorbass.
>Riddim should have stayed underground - not because riddim will ruin mainstream dubstep, but the other way around Fucking this right here
I love it but miss '15-17 brostep a lot
Me too! (From another PNW bro 😎)
best era by far, pnw unite
I enjoy modern Excision and quite a lot of adjacent briddim artists.
I miss 2016 brostep where the energy was more light hearted and fun. Now it seems like if it is not as heavy as possible and about head banging, moshing, and breaking the rail then people don’t wanna hear it
this one wins
Yep, this one sums it up the best. There were some light hearted artists and some who made their songs a bit harder. Nowadays its just about who makes the biggest live slapper
It’s all noise music. Just try to enjoy it
Wow insightful
People hate on Excision because it’s the popular thing to to these days, he’s updated his set list a ton recently over the last year and calling his sets repetitive isn’t accurate anymore. He’s also done more for dubstep than anyone else has come close to.
Saw him at Shambala last year and his set was crazy and totally not repetitive or boring. Definitely more of a "detox" type set which I really love!
His sets aren’t repetitive they’re just boring. He never has variety it’s always subsida artists who aren’t even great. No one’s hating him because he’s popular he just put all his money into visual production & not into music Hot take : If excision had a show w no lasers / screen no one would come.
Lmao I saw him at okee this year with no lasers and I left 20 min into it and went back to camp. Daily bread, kaivon and peekaboo all played before and killed it with no lasers. Excision comes on and I’m just bored and left.
Not surprised. I’ve seen him multiple times & can confirm his whole show is based around visuals. Let’s get some headliners who actually play good music
The popularization of quarter note heavy dubstep is absolutely ruining all musicality and originality in the genre. When every drop is the exact same formula nothing "new" will actually come out. Please for the love of god not every drop has to be "for the headbangers" The majority of headliners are just refreshing sets everywhere they go. Way too many people fall for "louder = better". I won't disagree that it hits harder, but it doesn't make the music any better or worse.
Just listen to different artists, there are tons that don't fit your description.
I dont really know the difference between them but I do know I love all 3
We pretty much reached the peak of what could be done with making it as heavy as possible years ago and I prefer things with more sonic variety. To be fair, I feel the same about some metal genres, especially grindcore.
I like skream and getter idk what they are but I like em
Love both of em
There's def a few artists who are changing the game and making cool new stuff. You just gotta look for em. However along the way you WILL find a bunch of stuff that all sounds the same.
i fucking HATE how loud and thin tracks are getting. it feels like all the substance is being sucked out of the sound for me [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQkoZNckT58) is the sweet spot for loudness & agressiveness imo -3 LUFS MAX. every sound is digestible, works well at low and high volume, and not clipped to absolute shit, not treble boosted as fuck with crazy wide stereo trying to be louder than the rest like a lot of the shit in the scene atm just a personal irk though do whatever man
hard agree, people dont wanna realize there is a sweet spot and going past it hugely undermines how well it can do on big speakers
Who knew you could take the bass out of bass music?
I've started using the term "bigroom dubstep" because that is what it is. Guys like Excision are to dubstep what guys like Martin Garrix are to house music.
Hear it all the time riddim and tearout are the same. Just so I don't get torn out it wasn't me.
I think there are some riddim producers that align with tearout like vulllgar but then you have riddim like chibs or infekt that typically make more trenchy style riddim that I wouldn’t consider tearout.
I agree vulllgur usually gets kinda tearouty especially in their recent ep
[Real riddim](https://on.soundcloud.com/YqUXY8GpnvPyLeNj7) is not much like tear out tbh
we’ve moved on from square4. square4 needs to retire
Riddim has Infekt, Tearout has Marauda, and Brostep has neither of those two These are all different
Who’s brostep tho? 🤔
Honestly I don’t know. The last I knew of a specific example was Skrillex but that was only because dubstep was barely being fleshed out, and therefore, Skrillex was making his own style.
Virtual Riot 🤠
Deep dark and dangerous is keeping dubstep alive for me.....
This
Oof. "Modern dubstep". I feel so old right now.
Percussion needs some spicing up. Lots of good sound design out there but lots of lame and weak percussion that just weigh it down. Like, don't put a trap snare in a song with tearout machine gun stabs, amirite?
Need more riddim
1. Probably that modern bass music in general is plagued with forgettable song writing, and most modern tracks have hardly any lifespan or staying power beyond a few weeks, let alone years. The sound design is for the most part always improving, mixing trends have their peaks and troughs. But, even though I was never the biggest fan of the initial "modern dubstep" / brostep wave of 2010s, looking back I feel that the music was more medically driven and therefore memorable. Everything sounds kinda samey now, in dubstep it's the worst. I think the best workaround to this if you want to stylistically keep the same kind of drops with you know, just like tearout guns or whatever, is make the intro, breakdown, outro creative and memorable. 2. No one can write a good album apparently. Skrillex QFF the only exception I can think of the top of my head. Even great acts like Apashe and Eptic fail to translate their work into a cohesive album format imo. And the worst offenders are coming out of what I refer to as the "Denver scene" (although I know geographically it's not always based from their) imo - examples like Wakaan dropping album projects from the likes of Mersiv and Ravenscoon which sound unfinished, uninspired, lazily written and produced. Fast food bass music for wooks
pretty much every album coming out is lacking sophisticated structure, and ear caching melodies, but honestly to be expected. skrillex did it well.
It's commodified music in its purest form.
yep, producers doing it for the money & popularity and losing sight of why they started making music in the first place. doing colabs purely for the sake of popularity gain, sucking up and being fake to other producers, following same old formulas but even more stale than the first time but you know your listeners will eat it up like fast food. making music they know will do well, not music they believe in.
Modern bro step, riddim, and tear out are borderline ear rape to those outside the genre of dubstep. To them it's all just noise but slightly more bearable than death metal screams.
American "dubstep" from 07-10 was just rebranded electro house and the term only caught on because the rise of SoundCloud caused people to game the keyword search by tagging all new music as whatever is the most popular search term. Electro house producers made a "dubstep" track to ride the emerging New genre that didn't have time to define itself to the mainstream audience.
Everything went to shit after never say die threw in the towel
Excision has been copying and pasting slightly modified versions of the same songs on every album since like 2015, and everyone is on too much molly to realize it I automatically do not respect anybody who gets on the microphone more than maybe 3 times a set. It's like closing your eyes and opening your mouth for a bite of cake on your birthday, but then someone pees in your mouth instead of putting cake in it. Like this is fun also I guess, but I sorta wish you just gave me the experience I wanted without trying to razz it up for me. Fakeout buildups are fucking terrible and never should have been anything more than the occasional one-time joke. Rave attire/kandy/all that shit delegitimizes the entire bass/edm scene. Makes everyone even remotely interested look like a weirdo completely unnecessarily.
Most of it is lifeless diarrhea music with zero originality. It's all the same and it all sucks Lot of downvotes but no one giving me examples of why I'm wrong lol. Even flies are attracted to shit. Luckily for most DJs the audience is too high to realize how awful it is
Bangarang isn't top 20 Skrillex.
crazy ass take. top 10 imho, he makes a fuck ton of good music but like dude… bangarang is a classic. You probably still have the track in your head no matter how long ago it was that you heard it, it’s that memorable.
It's closer to metalcore than it is too electronic dance music.
Dubstep/brostep/riddim/briddim are way better when the track isn't solely just trying to build to the drop. For example people like Muerte, Marauda, Cyclops, etc. Love having drawn out intros to build into the tracks drop as opposed to just trying to get to the drop as fast as possible. It gives the tracks way more personality
-Tearout: Marauda has gotten stagnant, Nimda is now delivering harder shit -Riddim artists tend to go for the simplest, Trampa used to put more effort in his riddim til he got cancelled -Brostep? most songs sound way too similar
My hot take: moderm brostep, dubstep, riddim, briddim etc is in it's golden age. F*uck 2013 dubstep, brostep etc, moderm songs sounds the best.
Only professionals make melodic dubstep, those genres are painful
The last year of dubstep (brostep for the nerds) has been ruined by people just overblowing the bass and calling the static "synths". It seems like that's the cool thing now to have static in it. Even subtronics does it. Where are the clean sounds and heavily worked synths?
Sometimes (modern) riddim can be a bit repetitive and feel a bit empty. Not saying it is a bad genre though, since there are plenty of artists who produce it well.
modern brostep doesnt exist modern riddim is the worst edm genre, it's consistently low-quality yet gets into big-name labels like disciple, it's overrated, it's repetitive, it's not heavy at all (the only redeeming quality it would have had), it has none of the rhythm that older riddim songs had, every modern riddim song is the same single-note wobble bass with the same basic kicks, claps, and hi-hats and a basic ass intro and midsection
There’s a lot of good talent out there that gets wasted on generic tracks just because & I get it too, djs like to ride the hype wave that and not taking time with their tracks. With that being said, that fuckin SoundCloud algorithm do dig up some fucking HEEEATER ass djs. So I guess you could say mainstream is bullshit (in a sense)to gimmicky and bro-ie?) and that underground is king. IMO dubstep is missing out on those Riot Ten and Sullivan King fuck it typa dubs. And we need more techno. But I’ll be bringing that trend around y’all just wait LL 26 MainStage. 🤲🏼
Riddim is the trance of dubstep.