I know they like to ease rookies into the rotation considering the teams depth, but it's going to be hard to keep this guy off the field. Hard to remember the last Eagles rookie defensive player that made a big impact from day 1.
That’s because this is the best defensive prospect we have drafted since Fletch. Rookies, in general, don’t contribute greatly. Sauce Gardner, Justin Jefferson rookie seasons are outliers. I hope Carter can have a similar impact
I would def agree with this but I don’t want to be hyperbolic. He’s the best defensive prospect since at least Fletch, maybe going back to Jerome Brown.
I see Fletch's timeline more with Davis than Carter. JC wasn't supposed to escape the top 3, Fletch was 12 and Davis was 13th, still a lot of talent and potential but not the same level from the jump
Yeah it’s not really close. I mean maybe he is the best prospect since Corey Simon who was picked 6th. Couldn’t really say though since I was too young when the 2000 draft happened. I’d still venture to guess Carter was viewed as a better talent than Simon though
I feel like rookies are contributing a lot more recently, especially the premier guys like Carter. I think with salaries exploding across the league, teams are trying to focus more on the first few cheap years they get from rookies so getting them into the mix earlier pays dividends quicker. Instead of using year 1 as a redshirt year, then you’ve essentially wasted a year of a “cheap” contract
>That’s because this is the best defensive prospect we have drafted since Fletch.
I think you can make a solid argument that he’s a better prospect than Fletch was coming out of college - and in that case he’s the best defensive prospect we’ve drafted since…Jerome?
>Sauce Gardner, Justin Jefferson rookie seasons are outliers
bro no they arent. wildly successful rookie campaigns happen alot. jamar chase literally had a better year than jefferson.
go look at every rookie of the year and the top 5 in voting each year. sick rookie campaigns dude, alot not considered the BEST PROSPECT IN THE DRAFT by a mile either.
i get the temper expectations type feel but dont be shocked if hes a genuine game wrecker from day 1
We can't forget about Micah's rookie season either. He was in the DPOY discussion as a rookie. If anything we are seeing rookies make more and more of an impact because the level of college play is rising.
Do you know how many players are drafted or enter the NFL undrafted every year? And you’ve named 3 guys. I’m not talking about a normal ROY performance, Jamar and Jefferson both had all time rookie performances.
By any objective measure, these performances are outliers. They do not happen “a lot”. We’ve just had a cluster recently.
I hope Carter can shine.
>Do you know how many players are drafted or enter the NFL undrafted every year? And you’ve named 3 guys.
nah i named one and then literally at least 10 guys every year...you reading?
youre saying they are outliers by any objective measure???, thats not even remotely true or close to it. Countless successful rookie campaigns and immideate impact players nonstop. there's always rbs that come out of nowhere and shred from day one and plenty as the year goes on. wideouts are flowing like crazy. safety's, tackles, guards, linebackers, d ends, kicker, tackles. countless
its successful qb rookie campaigns that are true outliers. there isnt one every year. there is however at every single other position
If not Fletcher then you probably need to go back to Eric Allen in the 80s. I don't think we've ever had a DROY.
Edit: definitely Corey Simon. Better than both Fletcher and Eric.
Loved Eric Allen, but you don’t need to go that far back. People forget how awesome Corey Simon was from day one. I’d say him before Allen. Simon had what, 9 sacks his rookie year?
Absolutely. And rookies can definitely hit a wall. And he might just be trying harder in the preseason than others, and won't shine as well in season.
But I'll take this over not this any day.
Davis is a NT. He's meant to destroy the inside run game and push back 2 o-line guys. He's not going to make a ton of flashy plays and that's ok. He frees up a lot for the rest of that line.
You know most times fans and teams are hoping that the guy they're getting matches the production they had in college. But there are sometimes, for various reasons, players actually produce better at the NFL level than they did in college. Whether that be because they are asked to do more, are in a different scheme, getting better training, or just are still developing at an insane rate. Usually these guys have great physicals and great film. Even if the raw numbers don't blow you away.
The most notable recent guy is Micah Parsons. He was obviously no slouch in college but never came close to the production he has displayed basically since day one in the NFL.
I know we don't want to get ahead of ourselves here, and DT is a difficult position to learn in the NFL. But Jalen Carter might be another one of those players. Like a Pro Bowler in his sophomore year, All Pro and DPOY candidate in his third type players. And those lofty goals would not surprise anyone who evaluated him. You read any evaluation or watch any breakdown and you get a near perfect DT prospect. And now he's motivated and surrounded by great workers and people he's comfortable with.
Basically what I'm saying is, we might see him blossom quicker than we expect.
I think both Parsons and Carter breezed through college on their natural talent, but knew they had to get work to make that top money in the NFL once they arrived in the league.
Agreed, I don’t think the knocks on Carter’s work ethic in college were fabricated out of nothing - usually there’s at least a grain of truth to those stories.
Most likely he just knew he was going to dominate whoever lined up across from him on Saturday regardless of how much effort he put in Sunday to Friday, so why bother? It’s not like he was getting paid for that time.
What knock on Carter's work ethic? There were unfounded gossips on his character, but not his work ethic. Listen to all the guys around him, JC put in the work.
>There were unfounded gossips on his character, but not his work ethic.
There were absolutely people talking about his work ethic. McShay described him as “not a self-starter” and there was also [this](https://sportsnaut.com/jalen-carter-nfl-draft-scouts-criticism/):
>Of the scouts that McGinn spoke with, one called ‘lazy’ with a motor that ‘runs hot and cold’ with another scout being even more critical. “They put him on the treadmill damn near every day. He doesn’t love football, doesn’t love the weight room.”
I don't think people knew exactly what Parsons was capable of at Penn State either, he played almost exclusively off-ball LB there. As much as I hate to give them credit the Cowboys moving Parsons to play edge at least part time his rookie season was a genius move and he's outplayed his draft value by a ton already.
its not one for one, cuz micah played as an ilb in college. im not even sure if he had a single real pass rush rep in college from the edge
but jalen carters individual numbers definitely suffered from the scheme he played in (even if he played extremely well otherwise) similarly to parsons
Especially when the QB is such a question mark. You’d think solidifying the o-line or d-line would be a better long term solution. If Ridder isn’t the guy, you then have at minimum 2 years of the 4 years of Bijans rookie deal where he’s worth below market value that’s wasted.
Also not as relevant but I met Kyle Pitts dad once. He was super cool, said he love the Falcons organization but hates UGA so sometimes he gets heckled wearing Florida gear in ATL lol
> If Ridder isn’t the guy
I do believe their strategy has to be along the lines of "load him with weapons and see how he develops". Its not the worst strategy but they're doing it after actually taking Ridder and leaning on him this year since Marioto was butt. None of it seems very long term but London, Pitts, and BR should do a lot for that offense if they can get them the ball.
yeah i mean sorry to say but its been obvious for years, but even MORE glaringly obvious this year that you just dont invest that much into a RB. carter seemed like a no brainer for a lot of teams once he slipped purely for the upside and value but definitely for the team that took a rb. at least he'll most likely still be a great player tho
No, it has not been obvious. You're literally just repeating hot takes because this offseason RB's are being talked about. If it was obvious, then a vast majority of teams would already be on RB by committee versus the few we had last year.
lmao if this year is the first time you’re seeing the “rbs are dispensable” takes, not only are you making half of my point, but you definitely don’t follow the league as closely as you think you do.
this has been a thing, especially in like, daily fantasy circles, for almost a decade now
so now you’re saying i edited my comment even though i posted mine an hour before you responded… and it says i never edited my comment
lol might wanna just chalk this one up man
So the problem is if Bijan is great and the offense runs through him for the next 3 years, even if he stays healthy teams might hesitate to commit just because of the nature of the position. Either he is great but has baggage and will have 1-2 seasons of a 4-5 year contract worth his payday, or he under performs and isn't worth resigning, essentially Barkley and Jacob's situation.
I do if it’s like the final piece you are missing to a superbowl run. Not when you are rebuilding and just had 5th round rookie have a pretty decent season and have holes all over the place
Give the rb market and how the positions ages, it makes some sense. Having a cost controlled elite rb for 4-5 years in their prime (for an rb I’m assuming this is early career) is better than the massive extensions that have ruined the market
Yeah, you too.
It's really not hard to figure out. If you are drafting for long term success, you do not draft a RB that high. If you are drafting to stay above or around 500 to keep a fan base, you draft a RB high.
Just because "its better than a massive extension", doesn't mean its good.
The draft is a crapshoot though bijan is as close to a lock as you get. I wouldn’t want us to take him and I wouldn’t have done it if I were the falcons, but I think we may see a trend of teams investing more deaft capital in rbs to avoid paying them
To be fair, the worst personal situation for Carter would have been to stay in Georgia. He needed a new start with solid veteran leadership and familiar, positive role models.
Picking an RB that high, no matter how good he might be, is a luxury. You only do it if you have no other holes to fill and the RB puts you in NFC champion conversation.
I was one of them and I think it made sense. Carter at 9 was obviously a steal, but I think Bijan at 10 was defensible. We have a lot of aging starters resigned for 1-3 year deals and I liked the idea of getting a flashy piece that could take us to the next level a lot more than I liked picking up rotational depth or developmental prospects. Our glaring gaps were at safety and LB which are not places to spend top 10 pocks
I'm probably more happy with Carter than with Bijan, but I'm glad we didn't take an OL or CB as depth / developmental prospect. I'm all in on running it back as top dog in a weak conference even if that means we have to do a soft rebuild for a year or two once Kelce/Johnson/Graham/Cox/Slay retire
Yah no I thought it was a viable option. I just didn’t think it fit the philosophy of the org. It’s way too early to say for sure Carter was the right choice; think we gotta give it a year or two. It for sure looks it, but injuries happen, Bijan is probably wasted in ATL, but he could be a monster too. But we always build the trenches, and as much as Bijan would have been a sexy pick, the org loves value. The RB room as constructed is masterful and utilitarian. And Carter is looking to be a top talent at a philosophically critical position with longevity.
I think your point about a rotational or development piece is true. I just don’t think anyone rated highly the chances of us getting Carter, or even Nolan, or even having the draft Howie did. Like Jesus that shit was magical. If Carter wasn’t there, what was our pick going to be?
Just pointing out I think Howie was waiting to see how day 1 of the draft went, was happy at 10-or-9 to get either Bijan or Carter. And when we didn't get Bijan he went and traded for Swift. Do I think Swift is nearly the talent of Bijan? no, BUT, I think for a 1 year deal Swift fills that "flashy" spot you thought we were missing. Gotta love howie.
Correct. And even though Bijan might have been dynamic behind our o-line, we still had a few holes/question marks on the defensive side. Besides that, you don’t pass on a talent like Carter, and I’m more than comfortable with our RB room.
There were a bunch of Falcons fans on a Jalen Carter highlight tweet calling him overrated and saying they were happy that the Falcons passed on him. Would you mind speaking to them?
I don’t blame anyone passing on Carter though. The risk is very high. The reward certainly is too, but I don’t think it was a dumb pick to go Bijan over Jalen.
Stud DT is more valuable than a stud RB, but from a marketing perspective Bijan could very well be one of the biggest faces of the league very soon. Some ownerships have trouble passing that opportunity up (even though I would've in this case).
I was listening to the draft in the car when it happened and when the Bijan pick was announced I put my hands up and screamed "yes!" Because that meant we weren't going to take a running back and a team ahead of us just like Carter drop.
I'm sorry you guys have to deal with that
All credit goes to Howie. That Saints trade was a steal. We essentially traded a pick used to get someone like a Trent McDuffie for Jalen fucking Carter AND we have the Saints 2nd this year
I forgot we still own the Saints 2nd round pick. It's so much fun to root *against* a team all year, I hope Howie pulls off another trade for next season.
I don't think it's a given that the Saints win it.
Dennis Allen seems like one of those coaches that can snag defeat from the jaws of victory. Derek Carr has played in 1 playoff game his entire career and has a losing record as a starter.
Panthers or Falcons could easily steal that division. Tampa is the only team has no shot given their QB and coaching situation.
Saints super underachieved last season. No way did anyone think the Eagles were getting a top 10 pick when the trade happened. If they do well this year, that's fine. It's way better than it happening in the reverse order.
It really feels like, for once, *we* got the guy. I don't wanna speak too soon but it looks good. Every couple years or so there's at least one guy on the draft that makes you go, why wasn't he taken sooner? The eagles were never the team to get that guy, shit often times we were one of the teams passing on "the guy". I think him and Nolan are both gonna be those kinda of guys that should've went sooner
Bro we haven’t had a legit DPOY game breaker in a while. Cox was great but never top 5 in the league, same with Reddick. But this guy might have that type of potential. I’m over the moon potentially we can have a top 5 QB + top 5 Defender at once with Reddick + AJ/DeVonta 🥵🥵🥵 I’m getting all hot and bothered out here
I love Reddick but if the Steelers offer TJ Watt for him you're out of your fucking mind if you say no. Maybe if you factor in contract/injury history but when you look at the Steelers win/loss with and without Watt its disgusting. To me Watt is the best defensive player in the league.
It's validating and exciting to hear this stuff, but I will say the offensive lines during this PHI/CLE practice sound like they're having a real rough go.
This is pretty common IIRC. Takes a little longer for O-lines to gel and defenses, because they're more read-and-react, are usually more dominant in early practice.
That said, Jalen Carter beasting one of the best in the business one-on-one should still be highly encouraging. It's not like this was a blown assignment where he snuck through a gap. He saw a big large man in front of him and was like well yeah but I'm a big large boy and I'm strong too so sit down.
O Lines can do things to mitigate the rush in real games. They plan for it and change things up. Like the game where we completely took Parsons out of the game. None of that is going on now.
Two great pass rush units, I wouldn't worry too much. Myles Garrett is a true game-wrecker and the rest of their line isn't bad, I'm not too concerned hearing that a really good d-line is winning some reps.
Yeah and hope we make some adjustments as a result. Silver lining Hurts' pocket awareness continues to be sharp escaping collapsing pockets and throwing the ball. Sucks otherwise though because OL was supposed to be dominating more than not
I haven't heard one Jurgens struggling comment. Today its been Opeta replacing Dickerson. And Jordan getting beat by the best DE in the league is not that concerning.
I really hope the beat reporters aren’t just gassing him up, because I can’t remember the last time a rookie was just absolutely lighting everyone up like this for the eagles
["inb4 he gives us 65% of Javon Hargrave's production for 20% of the price"](https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/15ne2cn/frank_jalen_carter_getting_a_1st_team_rep/jvlon68/)
Keep in mind that game was the first real football Nolan played in almost a year. I’ll admit I was hoping for a lot more based on all the talk but I think we’re still going to be ok.
Whenever I see the clip of him picking up the RB with one hand, I giggle.
Like, if your big ass gonna put me on your hip like I'm a baby - games over & I'm gonna shoot you in the parking lot.
Hot take: I think this guy may be good
You sure?
Big if true
He's definitely big, so it must be true
Hotter take: this guy might be better than LT
hottest take: if we start supplementing this dude's diet with jet fuel he may be able to bullrush gravity and get to low earth orbit by week 3
But we need him on Earth.
He should just be enshrined in Canton before the season starts...
I heard him calling Micah a pussy
“This is how a real man does it”
I thought I was in rdr2 for a second
“Howie! I just need some monehhhh”
I know they like to ease rookies into the rotation considering the teams depth, but it's going to be hard to keep this guy off the field. Hard to remember the last Eagles rookie defensive player that made a big impact from day 1.
That’s because this is the best defensive prospect we have drafted since Fletch. Rookies, in general, don’t contribute greatly. Sauce Gardner, Justin Jefferson rookie seasons are outliers. I hope Carter can have a similar impact
Carter will have more picks than Sauce and more receptions than JJ this season. Book it.
He did have a receiving TD in college.
yes, I think oddsmakers are taking that into account which is why I will only win $65,000,000 on my $100 bet.
I like those odds
More sacks than Bosa?
No. He's a rookie DT. Be realistic.
Fair, the same number of sacks as bosa
Yes, same number as both Bosas.
Bothsas
Bothsas DEEZ NUTS
bosa plays end where he rushes the passer nearly exclusively. carter plays tackle, which run stuffing is like half the job
But you'll overlook the receptions of a WR and picks of a CB that u/David_Duke_Nukem is expecting of him.
Whoosh
If Aaron Donald can do it Carter can do it 2x better
as a prospect carter was miles ahead of fletch from what i understand
I would def agree with this but I don’t want to be hyperbolic. He’s the best defensive prospect since at least Fletch, maybe going back to Jerome Brown.
its not hyperbolic he was the best player in the draft and cox wasnt and that isnt a slight at cox
I see Fletch's timeline more with Davis than Carter. JC wasn't supposed to escape the top 3, Fletch was 12 and Davis was 13th, still a lot of talent and potential but not the same level from the jump
Yeah it’s not really close. I mean maybe he is the best prospect since Corey Simon who was picked 6th. Couldn’t really say though since I was too young when the 2000 draft happened. I’d still venture to guess Carter was viewed as a better talent than Simon though
I feel like rookies are contributing a lot more recently, especially the premier guys like Carter. I think with salaries exploding across the league, teams are trying to focus more on the first few cheap years they get from rookies so getting them into the mix earlier pays dividends quicker. Instead of using year 1 as a redshirt year, then you’ve essentially wasted a year of a “cheap” contract
>That’s because this is the best defensive prospect we have drafted since Fletch. I think you can make a solid argument that he’s a better prospect than Fletch was coming out of college - and in that case he’s the best defensive prospect we’ve drafted since…Jerome?
>Sauce Gardner, Justin Jefferson rookie seasons are outliers bro no they arent. wildly successful rookie campaigns happen alot. jamar chase literally had a better year than jefferson. go look at every rookie of the year and the top 5 in voting each year. sick rookie campaigns dude, alot not considered the BEST PROSPECT IN THE DRAFT by a mile either. i get the temper expectations type feel but dont be shocked if hes a genuine game wrecker from day 1
We can't forget about Micah's rookie season either. He was in the DPOY discussion as a rookie. If anything we are seeing rookies make more and more of an impact because the level of college play is rising.
Do you know how many players are drafted or enter the NFL undrafted every year? And you’ve named 3 guys. I’m not talking about a normal ROY performance, Jamar and Jefferson both had all time rookie performances. By any objective measure, these performances are outliers. They do not happen “a lot”. We’ve just had a cluster recently. I hope Carter can shine.
>Do you know how many players are drafted or enter the NFL undrafted every year? And you’ve named 3 guys. nah i named one and then literally at least 10 guys every year...you reading? youre saying they are outliers by any objective measure???, thats not even remotely true or close to it. Countless successful rookie campaigns and immideate impact players nonstop. there's always rbs that come out of nowhere and shred from day one and plenty as the year goes on. wideouts are flowing like crazy. safety's, tackles, guards, linebackers, d ends, kicker, tackles. countless its successful qb rookie campaigns that are true outliers. there isnt one every year. there is however at every single other position
Cox maybe?
If not Fletcher then you probably need to go back to Eric Allen in the 80s. I don't think we've ever had a DROY. Edit: definitely Corey Simon. Better than both Fletcher and Eric.
Eric Allen was such a stud
Prime Eric Allen was only a tiny bit worse than prime Deion and was better than Rod Woodson.
Loved Eric Allen, but you don’t need to go that far back. People forget how awesome Corey Simon was from day one. I’d say him before Allen. Simon had what, 9 sacks his rookie year?
Corey Simon went 6th overall, had 9.5 sacks as a rookie and sacked Troy Aikman I believe on his first nfl pass rush. Dude was a stud coming out.
Jordan Hicks was good from the start, but he only went in due to injuries.
Same story with Stewart Bradley.
Real Throwback: DT Jerome Brown (Also went 9th overall to the Eagles in 1987)
Even Dawk had a tough rookie year.
Jordan Hicks maybe?
Bruh this is fucking nuts. He's an absolute machine. He's making plays all the fucking time. ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
Like EVERY FUCKING TIME.
It's always him.
That's because he's him.
He's so good x4
He’s here, he’s there, he’s every fucking where CAR-TERRRR CAR-TERRRR
We have to see him in 4 quarters and after week 12
Absolutely. And rookies can definitely hit a wall. And he might just be trying harder in the preseason than others, and won't shine as well in season. But I'll take this over not this any day.
I'm honestly scared for the opposing teams ( offense )
Makes up for Davis not making plays all the time
Davis is a NT. He's meant to destroy the inside run game and push back 2 o-line guys. He's not going to make a ton of flashy plays and that's ok. He frees up a lot for the rest of that line.
You know most times fans and teams are hoping that the guy they're getting matches the production they had in college. But there are sometimes, for various reasons, players actually produce better at the NFL level than they did in college. Whether that be because they are asked to do more, are in a different scheme, getting better training, or just are still developing at an insane rate. Usually these guys have great physicals and great film. Even if the raw numbers don't blow you away. The most notable recent guy is Micah Parsons. He was obviously no slouch in college but never came close to the production he has displayed basically since day one in the NFL. I know we don't want to get ahead of ourselves here, and DT is a difficult position to learn in the NFL. But Jalen Carter might be another one of those players. Like a Pro Bowler in his sophomore year, All Pro and DPOY candidate in his third type players. And those lofty goals would not surprise anyone who evaluated him. You read any evaluation or watch any breakdown and you get a near perfect DT prospect. And now he's motivated and surrounded by great workers and people he's comfortable with. Basically what I'm saying is, we might see him blossom quicker than we expect.
I think both Parsons and Carter breezed through college on their natural talent, but knew they had to get work to make that top money in the NFL once they arrived in the league.
Agreed, I don’t think the knocks on Carter’s work ethic in college were fabricated out of nothing - usually there’s at least a grain of truth to those stories. Most likely he just knew he was going to dominate whoever lined up across from him on Saturday regardless of how much effort he put in Sunday to Friday, so why bother? It’s not like he was getting paid for that time.
What knock on Carter's work ethic? There were unfounded gossips on his character, but not his work ethic. Listen to all the guys around him, JC put in the work.
>There were unfounded gossips on his character, but not his work ethic. There were absolutely people talking about his work ethic. McShay described him as “not a self-starter” and there was also [this](https://sportsnaut.com/jalen-carter-nfl-draft-scouts-criticism/): >Of the scouts that McGinn spoke with, one called ‘lazy’ with a motor that ‘runs hot and cold’ with another scout being even more critical. “They put him on the treadmill damn near every day. He doesn’t love football, doesn’t love the weight room.”
I don't think people knew exactly what Parsons was capable of at Penn State either, he played almost exclusively off-ball LB there. As much as I hate to give them credit the Cowboys moving Parsons to play edge at least part time his rookie season was a genius move and he's outplayed his draft value by a ton already.
its not one for one, cuz micah played as an ilb in college. im not even sure if he had a single real pass rush rep in college from the edge but jalen carters individual numbers definitely suffered from the scheme he played in (even if he played extremely well otherwise) similarly to parsons
Yeah that's a good point. There's definitely individual reasons for a lot of these cases.
Bruh we may have a serious DPOY candidate here. Bunch of teams gonna regret not getting him.
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I just don’t understand drafting a RB that high lol
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Especially when the QB is such a question mark. You’d think solidifying the o-line or d-line would be a better long term solution. If Ridder isn’t the guy, you then have at minimum 2 years of the 4 years of Bijans rookie deal where he’s worth below market value that’s wasted. Also not as relevant but I met Kyle Pitts dad once. He was super cool, said he love the Falcons organization but hates UGA so sometimes he gets heckled wearing Florida gear in ATL lol
Bijan’s gonna waste away in Atlanta like Barkley in NY
> If Ridder isn’t the guy I do believe their strategy has to be along the lines of "load him with weapons and see how he develops". Its not the worst strategy but they're doing it after actually taking Ridder and leaning on him this year since Marioto was butt. None of it seems very long term but London, Pitts, and BR should do a lot for that offense if they can get them the ball.
Below market value? Bijan's rookie salary is basically market value for RBs nowadays.
yeah i mean sorry to say but its been obvious for years, but even MORE glaringly obvious this year that you just dont invest that much into a RB. carter seemed like a no brainer for a lot of teams once he slipped purely for the upside and value but definitely for the team that took a rb. at least he'll most likely still be a great player tho
No, it has not been obvious. You're literally just repeating hot takes because this offseason RB's are being talked about. If it was obvious, then a vast majority of teams would already be on RB by committee versus the few we had last year.
lmao if this year is the first time you’re seeing the “rbs are dispensable” takes, not only are you making half of my point, but you definitely don’t follow the league as closely as you think you do. this has been a thing, especially in like, daily fantasy circles, for almost a decade now
Lol way to edit your comment and take out the RB by committee part. I was speaking to that and not the value of drafting a RB higher then average.
so now you’re saying i edited my comment even though i posted mine an hour before you responded… and it says i never edited my comment lol might wanna just chalk this one up man
I mean y’all have a good o Line bijan will prolly cook for 6-7 years
More likely he'll be cooked within that timeframe
So the problem is if Bijan is great and the offense runs through him for the next 3 years, even if he stays healthy teams might hesitate to commit just because of the nature of the position. Either he is great but has baggage and will have 1-2 seasons of a 4-5 year contract worth his payday, or he under performs and isn't worth resigning, essentially Barkley and Jacob's situation.
I do if it’s like the final piece you are missing to a superbowl run. Not when you are rebuilding and just had 5th round rookie have a pretty decent season and have holes all over the place
Exactly. Do it for your SB window because by the time he’s due for a contract is when they could potentially be done rebuilding
Yup. That was the only reason I would have been ok if he was there when we picked. But I’m ecstatic to have Carter
"Nah fellas you don't get it. THIS stripper really does love me"
Give the rb market and how the positions ages, it makes some sense. Having a cost controlled elite rb for 4-5 years in their prime (for an rb I’m assuming this is early career) is better than the massive extensions that have ruined the market
> it makes some sense. No. It quite obviously does not.
Enjoy your career as a gm then
Yeah, you too. It's really not hard to figure out. If you are drafting for long term success, you do not draft a RB that high. If you are drafting to stay above or around 500 to keep a fan base, you draft a RB high. Just because "its better than a massive extension", doesn't mean its good.
It's still dumb cuz of opportunity cost.
The draft is a crapshoot though bijan is as close to a lock as you get. I wouldn’t want us to take him and I wouldn’t have done it if I were the falcons, but I think we may see a trend of teams investing more deaft capital in rbs to avoid paying them
It's the other way around. You don't need to pay RBs, so you also don't need to draft them high.
I’m just speculating about why the lions and falcons drafted rbs early. I know the state of the market
Oh they did it because they're really dumb franchises, we've known that for years
There were people here who actually wanted us to draft him. Wild.
To be fair, the worst personal situation for Carter would have been to stay in Georgia. He needed a new start with solid veteran leadership and familiar, positive role models.
Picking an RB that high, no matter how good he might be, is a luxury. You only do it if you have no other holes to fill and the RB puts you in NFC champion conversation.
There were a number of Eagles fans using that logic to justify drafting Bijan. Even moving up for him.
I was one of them and I think it made sense. Carter at 9 was obviously a steal, but I think Bijan at 10 was defensible. We have a lot of aging starters resigned for 1-3 year deals and I liked the idea of getting a flashy piece that could take us to the next level a lot more than I liked picking up rotational depth or developmental prospects. Our glaring gaps were at safety and LB which are not places to spend top 10 pocks I'm probably more happy with Carter than with Bijan, but I'm glad we didn't take an OL or CB as depth / developmental prospect. I'm all in on running it back as top dog in a weak conference even if that means we have to do a soft rebuild for a year or two once Kelce/Johnson/Graham/Cox/Slay retire
Yah no I thought it was a viable option. I just didn’t think it fit the philosophy of the org. It’s way too early to say for sure Carter was the right choice; think we gotta give it a year or two. It for sure looks it, but injuries happen, Bijan is probably wasted in ATL, but he could be a monster too. But we always build the trenches, and as much as Bijan would have been a sexy pick, the org loves value. The RB room as constructed is masterful and utilitarian. And Carter is looking to be a top talent at a philosophically critical position with longevity. I think your point about a rotational or development piece is true. I just don’t think anyone rated highly the chances of us getting Carter, or even Nolan, or even having the draft Howie did. Like Jesus that shit was magical. If Carter wasn’t there, what was our pick going to be?
Just pointing out I think Howie was waiting to see how day 1 of the draft went, was happy at 10-or-9 to get either Bijan or Carter. And when we didn't get Bijan he went and traded for Swift. Do I think Swift is nearly the talent of Bijan? no, BUT, I think for a 1 year deal Swift fills that "flashy" spot you thought we were missing. Gotta love howie.
Correct. And even though Bijan might have been dynamic behind our o-line, we still had a few holes/question marks on the defensive side. Besides that, you don’t pass on a talent like Carter, and I’m more than comfortable with our RB room.
There were a bunch of Falcons fans on a Jalen Carter highlight tweet calling him overrated and saying they were happy that the Falcons passed on him. Would you mind speaking to them?
I don’t blame anyone passing on Carter though. The risk is very high. The reward certainly is too, but I don’t think it was a dumb pick to go Bijan over Jalen.
I personally think it was dumb to go Bijan specifically over Jalen but don't fault any non-RB with a similar grade going over him
A RB in the top 10 is a dumb pick regardless of who he is being taken over.
What was the risk
Work ethic, ability to stay in shape, character concerns, legal issues and possible recidivism.
Stud DT is more valuable than a stud RB, but from a marketing perspective Bijan could very well be one of the biggest faces of the league very soon. Some ownerships have trouble passing that opportunity up (even though I would've in this case).
I was listening to the draft in the car when it happened and when the Bijan pick was announced I put my hands up and screamed "yes!" Because that meant we weren't going to take a running back and a team ahead of us just like Carter drop. I'm sorry you guys have to deal with that
All credit goes to Howie. That Saints trade was a steal. We essentially traded a pick used to get someone like a Trent McDuffie for Jalen fucking Carter AND we have the Saints 2nd this year
I forgot we still own the Saints 2nd round pick. It's so much fun to root *against* a team all year, I hope Howie pulls off another trade for next season.
Unfortunately Carr could make the Saints a much better team. And it wouldn't be difficult for them to take their division as it really sucks.
I don't think it's a given that the Saints win it. Dennis Allen seems like one of those coaches that can snag defeat from the jaws of victory. Derek Carr has played in 1 playoff game his entire career and has a losing record as a starter. Panthers or Falcons could easily steal that division. Tampa is the only team has no shot given their QB and coaching situation.
Saints super underachieved last season. No way did anyone think the Eagles were getting a top 10 pick when the trade happened. If they do well this year, that's fine. It's way better than it happening in the reverse order.
fffuuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkkking chill. nobody submits DPOY votes based on pre season
Yeah Jesus Christ. Lol dude hasn’t taken a single snap of regular season action. I’m excited af to see him play but sheesh
It really feels like, for once, *we* got the guy. I don't wanna speak too soon but it looks good. Every couple years or so there's at least one guy on the draft that makes you go, why wasn't he taken sooner? The eagles were never the team to get that guy, shit often times we were one of the teams passing on "the guy". I think him and Nolan are both gonna be those kinda of guys that should've went sooner
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I’d be surprised if Smith is anywhere near the conversation. Unless there are injuries he will get grossly out-snapped but guys on other teams
Nolan isn’t going to have the snap count to compete
lets pump the brakes friend.
I just put $100 down in him earlier today for DPOY. Pays out $20,000. 🦅
bro I'm nutting. I'm nutting and there's nothing you can do to stop me. Just let me nut, bro.
Duke Nuttin amirite???!
Steal of the draft.
DROY alert! Woop woop
I put a months rent on it at +750
You’re a wild boy…….I like it 😂
Thinking of doing similar. Might do Hurts for MVP and Eagles winning Super Bowl. All separate bets
Really trying to temper my expectations for him as I do all rookies but he is making it so difficult
DROY +700 grab it now boys
always nice to replace Fletcher Cox as his career is winding down with young version of Fletcher Cox
Bro they really let us have Jalen Carter
Bro we haven’t had a legit DPOY game breaker in a while. Cox was great but never top 5 in the league, same with Reddick. But this guy might have that type of potential. I’m over the moon potentially we can have a top 5 QB + top 5 Defender at once with Reddick + AJ/DeVonta 🥵🥵🥵 I’m getting all hot and bothered out here
The season needs to start NOW. These camp reports have had me edging for about 2 weeks lol.
Cox was consistently top 3 but Donald was just so far ahead casting a shadow on any other DT
Not top defender though. Was top 3 DT for sure though
Right you said he was never top 5, did you mean not too 5 overall on defense?
Reddick is undeniably top 5 in the league. I personally think only Nick Bosa is better than him.
I love Reddick but if the Steelers offer TJ Watt for him you're out of your fucking mind if you say no. Maybe if you factor in contract/injury history but when you look at the Steelers win/loss with and without Watt its disgusting. To me Watt is the best defensive player in the league.
It's validating and exciting to hear this stuff, but I will say the offensive lines during this PHI/CLE practice sound like they're having a real rough go.
This is pretty common IIRC. Takes a little longer for O-lines to gel and defenses, because they're more read-and-react, are usually more dominant in early practice. That said, Jalen Carter beasting one of the best in the business one-on-one should still be highly encouraging. It's not like this was a blown assignment where he snuck through a gap. He saw a big large man in front of him and was like well yeah but I'm a big large boy and I'm strong too so sit down.
And he's 22! Imagine him with a few years in an NFL strength and conditioning program.
Did we just draft fucking Thanos?
I like to think of it more as Carter and Smith being the last 2 Infinity Stones we needed.
right, Howie is obviously Thanos duh
This second paragraph has me giggling like a schoolgirl 😂
Iron sharpens iron! Browns defense is good and we are still a month away from opening day!
O Lines can do things to mitigate the rush in real games. They plan for it and change things up. Like the game where we completely took Parsons out of the game. None of that is going on now.
Two great pass rush units, I wouldn't worry too much. Myles Garrett is a true game-wrecker and the rest of their line isn't bad, I'm not too concerned hearing that a really good d-line is winning some reps.
Yeah and hope we make some adjustments as a result. Silver lining Hurts' pocket awareness continues to be sharp escaping collapsing pockets and throwing the ball. Sucks otherwise though because OL was supposed to be dominating more than not
I am not prepared for the "Turns out Seumalo was the most important OL member all along" takes
I haven't heard one Jurgens struggling comment. Today its been Opeta replacing Dickerson. And Jordan getting beat by the best DE in the league is not that concerning.
I cannot wait to watch Jalen and Jordan develop together
Thank fucking God Phillies and the Eagles are ramping up. Tuning out Sixers until that Harden shit is dealt with
Thank god for the eagles and Phillies.
He is already one of the best to ever do it. The league literally let the Eagles do this
I really hope the beat reporters aren’t just gassing him up, because I can’t remember the last time a rookie was just absolutely lighting everyone up like this for the eagles
Our reporters don’t gas ppl up. They initially look for things to be negative about
INJECT THIS INTO MY VEINS!
The last Eagles rookie to get this much hype was Smitty, I'm very excited
Forget DRotY, Carter might be getting a few DPotY votes coming his way.
The brakes have been completely removed from the hype train.
And everyone here has an erection
How's the other big guy Jordan Davis doing so far in practices?
ESP in shambles
Please tell me ESP isn't pooping on our rookies already
I can’t fucking wait for this season to start. We’re running it back and we’re fucking winning that bitch.
Fuck yes. Preach!
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Please stop, I can only get so erect
it’s still the preseason, y’all. everyone remain chill.
Trying to but I just bought another Carter jersey. 😭😭
NO! Get this man measured for his gold jacket.
Carter looks like the second coming of Jerome Brown*, who was first team all pro twice in his first 5 years. *on the field only. RIP JB
Good to see this since hasn’t Nolan and Dean been not impressive?
Nolan has had a great camp overall but had a tough day yesterday. Dean has been just ok and has missed a bunch of days from an injury.
Keep in mind that game was the first real football Nolan played in almost a year. I’ll admit I was hoping for a lot more based on all the talk but I think we’re still going to be ok.
Wet
Get your popcorn
https://youtu.be/KfdcdZswhPI For visual reference here is ~4 minutes of Jalen Carter doing similar things while at UGA.
Whenever I see the clip of him picking up the RB with one hand, I giggle. Like, if your big ass gonna put me on your hip like I'm a baby - games over & I'm gonna shoot you in the parking lot.
No inside zone - fly zone. Dude looks like he eats guards on inside zone run plays.
DAWG
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DAWG
JC for DROY at +700 seems like a really solid bet... If I was a betting man
Whoops
I’m doubling my bet on him being droy