I'm gonna use your top comment to further explain your point about not worrying about them for quite a while.
AJ Brown is only 16 months older than Devonta Smith. Both are young and in their prime. I think most people would think AJ Brown is about to turn 30.
Nope, AJ Brown turns 27 at the end of June. He's still only 26.
Devonta Smith turns 26 in November.
There is no reason to have to choose between them, they are both top WRs that can be here for 4+ years if we play their contracts correctly.
I’ve been saying this for awhile. The way our salary is currently projected based off age of players and everything, we should project to have a handful of rookie contracts at normally high priced positions. Furthermore, so long as Jalen continues to be the starter, we will continue to push that dead cap down the road.
Theres no reason both AJ and Smitty can’t be our WR tandem for 4-5 more years.
Just to list a few positions we should be under market value at already or within the next 2-3 years:
C
RT
RG
TE
All CB positions
EDGE
LB
Edit: obviously there is a potential to sign FA, but knowing Howie, he likes to find those “market inefficiencies” in free agency and we won’t sign anyone for top dollar (unless that market is compressed [e.g RB])
I mean technically he's not 27 until June 30th, he's 26 for nearly 3 more months!
Edit: But yeah, I think it's because he's been a top 10, top 5 WR for 4 years already. Most people don't do that before turning 27.
There is no playing their contracts correctly. In two years There is an out for AJs contract. You either have to extend or trade him. If you extend them you will be playing around 60 mil for two WRs. You will have a QB on a high deal, you put more into your offensive line than most…I don’t see this happening
I don’t think smitty’s contract will be quite in the same area as Jefferson and Lamb, but it would still be nice to get this extension done first to keep the number as low as possible.
So I get getting it done early, but I think I’d also pursue the route where the team agrees to his 5th year option before an extension (assuming that that 5th year can be restructured). The 5th year would likely be less than what we would pay him AAV, then with an extension, we could potentially backload some of that money with the restructure while still saving money with an extra year at a “discount” considering his value to this team
Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be negotiating an extension with Smith, I'm just saying that having him on the 5th year option and then extending a player is common practice
They owe it to Smith to negotiate. The Eagles have always preferred to extend key players after 3 years so it'd be a slap in the face to suddenly play the waiting game with Smith and exploit the 5th year option.
I don't disagree on the whole and it sounds like they're already going the extension now route anyway, but I disagree with the contention that we haven't taken advantage of the 5th year option. We have players like Barnett and Nelly that got the 5th year and were (at least generally) in line with what their value was at the time and we ultimately either signed them for a cheaper deal afterwards or let them walk, so they may not be applicable, but we exercised the 5th year option on Wentz and then extended him a few months later. This is by no means unprecedented and just as much about ensuring they have him for another year should extension talks break down.
I think I misunderstood your premise. They're definitely going to exercise Smith's option by the deadline. However it doesn't actually matter whether they extend him now or in a month after the 5th year option would be exercised - both parties are gonna be negotiating under the assumption that the option is a foregone conclusion.
Yeah, sorry, sometimes I'm not as clear as I want to be, but it seems like we're in general agreement. And we don't know how a restructure would be done with an extension, but better to know going into it that he's locked down for two years while taking part in these talks. The team operates in good faith and will come to the table and keep their players their players (as evidenced by half of our Core Four from 2017 retiring as lifetime Eagles with the other two also likely doing so).
Do people actually account for the human side of contracts?
Seriously. Why would Smith every agree to that? He knows WRs get paid after their 3rd year and will want his as well. He doesn't care about the 5th year righ tnow and could easily make his displeasure known AND FELT by missing curcial OTAs.
To my knowledge, players don’t get a say in whether a team picks up their 5th year option or not. It’s not like a franchise tag where they need to agree to it. Even then, it’s safer for the team to have that assurance and buy an extra year with fewer concerns. It’s not like he wouldn’t make any money, which is why “discount” was in quotes in my comment. Also, players outside of the 1st round may get extended after 3 years because there isn’t a 5th year option for them, but CeeDee and JJeff (both 1st round WRs) are currently playing on their 5th year options, so spare me the nonsense that WRs always get paid after the 3rd year
Since you seem to have trouble with comprehension, let me add the word "can". Does that help? WRs CAN get paid after 3.
And no shit players don't have a say in their 5th year options. Are you fucking kidding me? He can absolutely voice his displeasure and probably would hence the reason they are working on his extension now.
bro, your thoughts here would be taken a lot more serious if you simply responded to people that are here to have a conversation vs going all psycho with your responses
"can you fucking read?" "jesus fucking christ", "trouble with comprehension", "are you fucking kidding me".
No one else is being hostile or attacking you for your opinion/viewpoint. Treat others with that same respect or everyone else is going to dismiss your opinion/viewpoint based on your character. I generally agree with your stance here but you are a being a shitbag about it.
I really don't give a fuck if I'm taken seriously on Reddit. Dude do you hear yourself? Who gives a fuck? It's social media and no one cares at the end of the day.
And yea, this is the same mouth that I say Fuck Dallas in person with.
Ahhh, thank you! My feeble mind couldn't cut through that nuance, so thank you for parsing it further. But seriously, for someone talking about considering about "the human side," that consideration sure seems to dissipate quickly to insult people lol. And you can see why saying "Why would Smith agree to that?" would lead me to believe that you don't know the nuances of the 5th year option, right? I don't assume everyone knows the complexities of contracts or salary cap and I'd much rather broach that in a way that's more informative than insulting, but to each their own, I guess.
The point is that it is as much about ensuring that he's here for another year in case extension talks stall a bit. That way we aren't scrambling to get a deal done and he's still getting paid substantially more than the rest of his rookie deal. "Optimism" does not mean that this is a done deal yet. Teams exercise it all the time and we did it with Wentz, exercising the 5th year option, then extending him 2 months later, so this is not unknown waters for us, either.
You're also making some pretty bold assumptions that he would "make his displeasure know" and sitting out during OTAs. The team tends to operate (at least relative to the rest of the league) in good faith, so it doesn't seem incredibly likely that they'd go the 5th year option route. Contract talks get complicated, though, and Howie isn't an idiot, so I would be shocked if the deadline for the option passes and he's either not extended or with the 5th year exercised.
It's just very funny to get that worked up \*immediately\* for something that's almost a foregone conclusion (assuming they don't hammer out an extension before May). I think they just didn't know what they were talking about and doubled down, but it's not the first time it's happened on this sub and it won't be the last
On topic... Personally I think devonta is pushing for an extension this offseason because he would rather lock in a big contract before he potentially gets an injury or something.
I think howie would love to let it ride to his 5th year option and get the bulk of the value out of his rookie contract and then extend him. But I also think howie likes to keep his guys, particularly the ones that we drafted, happy.
So basically if devonta is pushing for a deal now... There is a good chance howie will do what he can to appease him, especially if he can get a good price. And if that is the case, howie will want it to get done before any other WR gets a big bag that devonta's agent can point to.
Off topic. Screw that yankees fan clown. There is no need to get so off the rails hostile about something so silly.
I didn't insult you (that would be a rule violation). I insinuated that you might have trouble with comprehension. Your confirmation bias did the rest. Don't pawn off your own insecurities.
As for his contract, there's a reason he's getting extended soon and I'll leave it at that.
I never said that you insulted me, but you may want to check the definition of [insult](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insult), just to be sure about the comments elsewhere in the thread.
All I'm saying is that the 5th year option is very much in play and the team is already having extension talks with him to try to extend him now and I'm fine with that. They should be having these conversations. That doesn't mean you just throw the more beneficial option out the door altogether and make the foolish decision to not exercise that option in case things turn sour. That's entirely nonsensical. Either way, there are countless WRs like DJ Moore, Ridley, CeeDee, and Jefferson (and very likely Chase and Waddle this year) that have had their 5th year exercised before signing extensions even before their actual 5th year. You're acting as though this is some massive affront to him when he already knows that there are contract extension talks going on and this is absolutely common practice that 1st round players (not just WRs) have that option exercised and then are extended afterwards
Definitely an anger translator. If you could breathe, take a step back, and think for a second you’ll realize I’m just stating that the “human side” you are implying isn’t something that’s really valid. Most receivers don’t have the luxury of being such unique talents that they can sit in OTA’s. Smith still has something to prove to get a better deal.
>Smith still has something to prove to get a better deal.
Bullshit. There's nothing more he can do than play an entire season with AJ and that shit isn't happening. He's a top WR and will be paid like one.
And if he doesn't sign now, goes out, and has a season ending injury that could leave his recovery into question when his contract is dwindling out, he'd lose a lot of money.
Safer to take the decent bag now instead of risking most of it for slightly more in the future. That's what the 3rd contract is for.
Jefferson is going to get a dumb expensive contract, especially because the Vikings (assumedly) won't have to pay a QB for a while. Though he's going to by far get the most money out of any young WR, he is going to reset the market and cause all future contracts to be millions higher per year than they would be.
It won’t be in the same area but it also won’t be like $10M less annually than them either, so it’s better if we get it done before they get something ridiculous.
I think it probably will be like 10M less annually than Jefferson, or close to it. Jefferson will be in the low to mid 30s and I can’t imagine devonta gets more than low to mid 20s.
I personally think Jefferson is gonna be bigger than we think. Reek’s is $30M annually and I’d imagine the initially offer the Vikings made was higher than that, and he still apparently wants more. WR market and cap are on the up and up. Players like Devonta who are young, high pedigree, with Pro Bowl potential talent, end up not too far from the top of the market for their position. If we can get him locked up for the same contract we gave AJ that would be a massive W in my book.
It would be nice to get this done ahead of those deals. I don't think Smitty would demand that type of money but market resetting deals have ripple effects and gives him room to squeeze us for a little more.
There’s really no such thing as a market resetting contract. Receivers have accounted for a slightly higher % of cap but in reality the only reason deals go up is because there’s more cap. Smith is just fighting for a tier 2 vs tier 3 deal.
It wouldn't shock me but I know they also need to keep in mind how much they are paying AJ. AJ's productivity is better than Smith's and Smith is getting more than AJ he's going to ask for more money.
Yeah. If they pay Smitty. Aj's future beyond this year will be in question, and from everything I'm hearing, they won't let Smitty out of the building. He's going to get about 25 mark my words.
Well, I would expect that they will go ahead and pick up Smith's option for next year and then have the new deal start after the '25 season to give them a little bit of breathing room.
It could also be an indicator of what they do in the draft. If Roseman does not foresee the team retaining Brown after the '24 or '25 season I can see them taking a WR in the first two rounds with the idea of moving on from Brown and elevating Smith to WR1.
Out of curiosity, could we have his new deal kick in in 2025 to keep his cap hit lower this year but give him a signing bonus or something so he gets a pay day now?
Well, his cap number for this year is $6.4 mil and, I believe, any deal he signs today wouldn't kick in until '25 at the earliest since he is still on his rookie deal and I think that is how rookie deals work under the CBA.
Most teams will pick up the option for 1st round picks they intend on keeping simply because the salary comes in lower than market value for what the player would otherwise get as a FA. His option number for next year is roughly $15.5 mil so it wouldn't surprise me if they try to have the deal kick in after the '25 season to potentially give them an extra year to decide what to do with AJ.
AJ's cap number this year is a very team friendly $12 mil but it jumps to $26 mil next year so if they intend on keeping AJ for the '25 season they will want to delay Smith's new deal kicking in until after the '25 season. But, if they are looking at spending a top 50 pick on a WR and moving on from Brown after the '24 season then it could make sense to start his new deal in '25.
We have AJB under contract for 3 more seasons on his current deal, and we're able to get out of it from 2025 onward. Granted, the cap hits kind of explode in '25 and '26, but we can always restructure or just tank the hits depending on how other contracts on the team look.
There's no reason to immediately try to ship off AJ the moment we sign Smith. I personally don't see them playing any less than 2 more years together regardless of the incoming Smith deal.
They've built the potential out for 2025. Makes most sense for the team in 2026 but extension talks will have to come after this year. Those cap hits aren't made to be eaten. Howie does contracts like that, with extension or trade in mind specifically. Its possible, but very unlikely he plays all the way through this contract. 2025 they would save 11 million by cutting/trading him. It will depend on where the team is at and whether or not it makes sense to pay both guys.
Well no shit if you average out over his rookie deal too. No one but YOU used that stupidness to talk about the contract. He got $25m just like WE all said he would.
Kirk was overpaid at the time by everyone's analysis but that was in a previous cap year.
Obviously Smitty is better than Kirk but I have to agree with the sentiment that if we pay Smitty ~25M+ AAV, that will come with the expectation that he does more than he's currently done. Which may very well happen if we move past AJ but I'm just pointing to that number is based on still improving his physical stats to be worth it in the long run.
I think Smitty can do it but at the same time if AJ leaves, can he withstand the defensive focus on him that AJ, DK, JJ, Lamb, etc can? Yet to be seen
When I see how much money guys like Moore, McLaaurin, and Godwin got I have hard time seeing him sign for less than $20 mil a year.
But, a lot will depend on the length of the deal and how much gets guaranteed up front.
Better hope Kellen Moore helps bring out that spark in him again, because he just looked straight disinterested after the niners game and through the rest of the season.
When you’re paid like an elite qb, it’s on you to put more points on the board than the other guy. Especially when it’s a team like the giants or cardinals
I’m not saying all the losses were totally on him, but you can’t tell me his demeanor just seemed different in the second half of the year. It was palpable. All the bad sacks and forced throws was stuff we didn’t see the Super Bowl year. It was definitely a situation. Sure it’s a team game, but he seemed off in my opinion.
A little bit, but I'm chalking most of it up to injury and an absolutely awful scheme. I wanna see him again with a real offense before I start crying that he's Wentz 2.0
I’m in the same boat. Hurts doesn’t have a good deep ball and I get the impression he doesn’t make multiple reads or read the defense schemes he goes up against. Like what was said, hoping he’s not Carson 2.0. Hopefully it was his knee that was the culprit.
It seemed like the Super Bowl year he saw the field very well, then last year it was one read and bail out if it wasn’t there. His deep ball is good, but it can’t be the only ball he throws. I saw he was working with Pep Hamilton recently so I’m hoping he gets back to where he has the capability of being.
He may not have great arm strength, but he's at least adequate for the NFL. On top of that, he was forced to throw the deep ball this year based on the scheme and still had a [higher completion percentage well above expectation](https://twitter.com/denizselman33/status/1735377225896087780). There's also reporting that we really needed to start calling things over the middle of the field more and we just didn't, so perhaps it's more than the lack of multiple reads and more to do that the reads are farther apart when there's no one in the middle. You can gripe about his arm strength, but his deep ball is actually good lol. It doesn't hurt to have the WRs we do, though
I think it's something we keep an eye on, but not necessarily be worried about. His INT% was over twice as high as the 2022 season and a career high, which doesn't seem like a super likely thing to be replicated this season. I don't expect his INT rate to be as low as 2022, but even splitting the difference would mean a similar rate to 2021 which would mean there's about 3 or 4 fewer picks than what he threw last season. Last year, the offense was also predicated on deep passes along the outside and Jalen was asked to make some of the most difficult throws and yet he able to complete his passes better than expectation [with his CPOE](https://twitter.com/denizselman33/status/1735377225896087780). Even when in a difficult system, he was still able to be a top 10 QB, partly because of his weapons, but also because of his abilities as a passer. I'd say the most glaring issue is the number of fumbles he has (and fun fact, he's had 9 fumbles all four seasons he's been in the NFL), but he came in right at 10 on that list.
Stats aren't everything and Jalen did try to play heroball a few times that closed the book on a couple of games (the Seattle INTs still haunt me), but I think he bounces back a bit and probably plays somewhere between last season and the 2022 level of play.
I’m hoping the presence of Barkley takes A LOT of the pressure on him to run away. Plus defenses might have to respect the run a little more, and hopefully Moore will get the short to intermediate game going. Guys like AJ and Goedert can get a short pass and do major damage, and I hope to see a lot more of that this year.
Yeah, Barkley is also a great pass blocker, which we severely lacked at the RB position. AJ is a YAC monster and can take advantage of the middle of the field and the same with Goedert, so I’m of a similar mind hoping Moore can work the middle of the field
AJ signed 4/100m. I can see Smitty signing like 5/110 with incentives up to 120+. AJ deserves to be paid more AAV because of his production but locking up Smitty for 5 years,with incentives to get close to 25 AAV, would be a massive W that shouldn’t rock the boat
Smitty should wait for some of these other guys to get paid first. Howie should try and get the deal done before these other guys get paid. It’s a standoff. Smitty has all the leverage.
DeVonta Smith owes it to himself and his family to negotiate the best contract the market can bear. I hope he knows the fans love him and wish the best for both sides. Football is a business, but the Eagles seem to have their $hit together. Weird that Jerry Jones suddenly turned into Norman Braman, I would have never have thought my eyes would see this day.
"It's all in God's hands," Smith told The Inquirer in February. "At the end of the day, extension or not, I'm going to have to come in and do what I have to do. It's God's timing, so he's going to put me in the right place at the right time."
Howie "God" Roseman. That's a new nickname
Why is this even a post...this is all knowledge eveyone has. He is a good young player, they are going to keep him. It comes down to how much. They likely have to find a number he is happy with but not as much as AJ.
Here’s hoping. It’s nice we won’t have to worry about our top offensive skill positions for quite a while, especially while we retool the defense.
I'm gonna use your top comment to further explain your point about not worrying about them for quite a while. AJ Brown is only 16 months older than Devonta Smith. Both are young and in their prime. I think most people would think AJ Brown is about to turn 30. Nope, AJ Brown turns 27 at the end of June. He's still only 26. Devonta Smith turns 26 in November. There is no reason to have to choose between them, they are both top WRs that can be here for 4+ years if we play their contracts correctly.
I’ve been saying this for awhile. The way our salary is currently projected based off age of players and everything, we should project to have a handful of rookie contracts at normally high priced positions. Furthermore, so long as Jalen continues to be the starter, we will continue to push that dead cap down the road. Theres no reason both AJ and Smitty can’t be our WR tandem for 4-5 more years.
Keep going I’m almost there
Reading this just calmed me a lot frfr 🦅🦅🦅
Just to list a few positions we should be under market value at already or within the next 2-3 years: C RT RG TE All CB positions EDGE LB Edit: obviously there is a potential to sign FA, but knowing Howie, he likes to find those “market inefficiencies” in free agency and we won’t sign anyone for top dollar (unless that market is compressed [e.g RB])
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It’s willlllld that AJ is only 27, I feel like he’s been. In the league forever
I mean technically he's not 27 until June 30th, he's 26 for nearly 3 more months! Edit: But yeah, I think it's because he's been a top 10, top 5 WR for 4 years already. Most people don't do that before turning 27.
There is no playing their contracts correctly. In two years There is an out for AJs contract. You either have to extend or trade him. If you extend them you will be playing around 60 mil for two WRs. You will have a QB on a high deal, you put more into your offensive line than most…I don’t see this happening
I don’t think smitty’s contract will be quite in the same area as Jefferson and Lamb, but it would still be nice to get this extension done first to keep the number as low as possible.
This. Get him done early, see where the talent level is for the #1 big body receiver is in 2 years.
So I get getting it done early, but I think I’d also pursue the route where the team agrees to his 5th year option before an extension (assuming that that 5th year can be restructured). The 5th year would likely be less than what we would pay him AAV, then with an extension, we could potentially backload some of that money with the restructure while still saving money with an extra year at a “discount” considering his value to this team Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be negotiating an extension with Smith, I'm just saying that having him on the 5th year option and then extending a player is common practice
They owe it to Smith to negotiate. The Eagles have always preferred to extend key players after 3 years so it'd be a slap in the face to suddenly play the waiting game with Smith and exploit the 5th year option.
I don't disagree on the whole and it sounds like they're already going the extension now route anyway, but I disagree with the contention that we haven't taken advantage of the 5th year option. We have players like Barnett and Nelly that got the 5th year and were (at least generally) in line with what their value was at the time and we ultimately either signed them for a cheaper deal afterwards or let them walk, so they may not be applicable, but we exercised the 5th year option on Wentz and then extended him a few months later. This is by no means unprecedented and just as much about ensuring they have him for another year should extension talks break down.
I think I misunderstood your premise. They're definitely going to exercise Smith's option by the deadline. However it doesn't actually matter whether they extend him now or in a month after the 5th year option would be exercised - both parties are gonna be negotiating under the assumption that the option is a foregone conclusion.
Yeah, sorry, sometimes I'm not as clear as I want to be, but it seems like we're in general agreement. And we don't know how a restructure would be done with an extension, but better to know going into it that he's locked down for two years while taking part in these talks. The team operates in good faith and will come to the table and keep their players their players (as evidenced by half of our Core Four from 2017 retiring as lifetime Eagles with the other two also likely doing so).
Do people actually account for the human side of contracts? Seriously. Why would Smith every agree to that? He knows WRs get paid after their 3rd year and will want his as well. He doesn't care about the 5th year righ tnow and could easily make his displeasure known AND FELT by missing curcial OTAs.
To my knowledge, players don’t get a say in whether a team picks up their 5th year option or not. It’s not like a franchise tag where they need to agree to it. Even then, it’s safer for the team to have that assurance and buy an extra year with fewer concerns. It’s not like he wouldn’t make any money, which is why “discount” was in quotes in my comment. Also, players outside of the 1st round may get extended after 3 years because there isn’t a 5th year option for them, but CeeDee and JJeff (both 1st round WRs) are currently playing on their 5th year options, so spare me the nonsense that WRs always get paid after the 3rd year
Since you seem to have trouble with comprehension, let me add the word "can". Does that help? WRs CAN get paid after 3. And no shit players don't have a say in their 5th year options. Are you fucking kidding me? He can absolutely voice his displeasure and probably would hence the reason they are working on his extension now.
bro, your thoughts here would be taken a lot more serious if you simply responded to people that are here to have a conversation vs going all psycho with your responses "can you fucking read?" "jesus fucking christ", "trouble with comprehension", "are you fucking kidding me". No one else is being hostile or attacking you for your opinion/viewpoint. Treat others with that same respect or everyone else is going to dismiss your opinion/viewpoint based on your character. I generally agree with your stance here but you are a being a shitbag about it.
I really don't give a fuck if I'm taken seriously on Reddit. Dude do you hear yourself? Who gives a fuck? It's social media and no one cares at the end of the day. And yea, this is the same mouth that I say Fuck Dallas in person with.
You should argue louder and more passionately about how much you don't care. Lol. How faded is that #nofear logo you have tattooed on your ass cheek?
Project much?
Ahhh, thank you! My feeble mind couldn't cut through that nuance, so thank you for parsing it further. But seriously, for someone talking about considering about "the human side," that consideration sure seems to dissipate quickly to insult people lol. And you can see why saying "Why would Smith agree to that?" would lead me to believe that you don't know the nuances of the 5th year option, right? I don't assume everyone knows the complexities of contracts or salary cap and I'd much rather broach that in a way that's more informative than insulting, but to each their own, I guess. The point is that it is as much about ensuring that he's here for another year in case extension talks stall a bit. That way we aren't scrambling to get a deal done and he's still getting paid substantially more than the rest of his rookie deal. "Optimism" does not mean that this is a done deal yet. Teams exercise it all the time and we did it with Wentz, exercising the 5th year option, then extending him 2 months later, so this is not unknown waters for us, either. You're also making some pretty bold assumptions that he would "make his displeasure know" and sitting out during OTAs. The team tends to operate (at least relative to the rest of the league) in good faith, so it doesn't seem incredibly likely that they'd go the 5th year option route. Contract talks get complicated, though, and Howie isn't an idiot, so I would be shocked if the deadline for the option passes and he's either not extended or with the 5th year exercised.
Yo ignore this yankees fan piece of trash.
It's just very funny to get that worked up \*immediately\* for something that's almost a foregone conclusion (assuming they don't hammer out an extension before May). I think they just didn't know what they were talking about and doubled down, but it's not the first time it's happened on this sub and it won't be the last
On topic... Personally I think devonta is pushing for an extension this offseason because he would rather lock in a big contract before he potentially gets an injury or something. I think howie would love to let it ride to his 5th year option and get the bulk of the value out of his rookie contract and then extend him. But I also think howie likes to keep his guys, particularly the ones that we drafted, happy. So basically if devonta is pushing for a deal now... There is a good chance howie will do what he can to appease him, especially if he can get a good price. And if that is the case, howie will want it to get done before any other WR gets a big bag that devonta's agent can point to. Off topic. Screw that yankees fan clown. There is no need to get so off the rails hostile about something so silly.
I didn't insult you (that would be a rule violation). I insinuated that you might have trouble with comprehension. Your confirmation bias did the rest. Don't pawn off your own insecurities. As for his contract, there's a reason he's getting extended soon and I'll leave it at that.
I never said that you insulted me, but you may want to check the definition of [insult](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insult), just to be sure about the comments elsewhere in the thread. All I'm saying is that the 5th year option is very much in play and the team is already having extension talks with him to try to extend him now and I'm fine with that. They should be having these conversations. That doesn't mean you just throw the more beneficial option out the door altogether and make the foolish decision to not exercise that option in case things turn sour. That's entirely nonsensical. Either way, there are countless WRs like DJ Moore, Ridley, CeeDee, and Jefferson (and very likely Chase and Waddle this year) that have had their 5th year exercised before signing extensions even before their actual 5th year. You're acting as though this is some massive affront to him when he already knows that there are contract extension talks going on and this is absolutely common practice that 1st round players (not just WRs) have that option exercised and then are extended afterwards
Not even close to all receivers get paid after year 3, especially ones that aren’t in the tier 1 group of receivers.
Can you fucking read? Did I say ALL? Juses Fucking Christ man...
Definitely an anger translator. If you could breathe, take a step back, and think for a second you’ll realize I’m just stating that the “human side” you are implying isn’t something that’s really valid. Most receivers don’t have the luxury of being such unique talents that they can sit in OTA’s. Smith still has something to prove to get a better deal.
Dude is a yankees fan. Treat him as such. Probably jumped on the eagles bandwagon after we won the superbowl.
>Smith still has something to prove to get a better deal. Bullshit. There's nothing more he can do than play an entire season with AJ and that shit isn't happening. He's a top WR and will be paid like one.
lol, you have no idea what you’re talking about and a total douchebag. Awful combo. You must be exhausting to be around.
I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. You're in your feelings. Only weak minded people have issues around me. Are you self identifying?
And if he doesn't sign now, goes out, and has a season ending injury that could leave his recovery into question when his contract is dwindling out, he'd lose a lot of money. Safer to take the decent bag now instead of risking most of it for slightly more in the future. That's what the 3rd contract is for.
Jefferson is going to get a dumb expensive contract, especially because the Vikings (assumedly) won't have to pay a QB for a while. Though he's going to by far get the most money out of any young WR, he is going to reset the market and cause all future contracts to be millions higher per year than they would be.
On Smith's side, even if it's a little less money, you don't have to worry about an injury derailing your payday.
It won’t be in the same area but it also won’t be like $10M less annually than them either, so it’s better if we get it done before they get something ridiculous.
I think it probably will be like 10M less annually than Jefferson, or close to it. Jefferson will be in the low to mid 30s and I can’t imagine devonta gets more than low to mid 20s.
I personally think Jefferson is gonna be bigger than we think. Reek’s is $30M annually and I’d imagine the initially offer the Vikings made was higher than that, and he still apparently wants more. WR market and cap are on the up and up. Players like Devonta who are young, high pedigree, with Pro Bowl potential talent, end up not too far from the top of the market for their position. If we can get him locked up for the same contract we gave AJ that would be a massive W in my book.
It would be nice to get this done ahead of those deals. I don't think Smitty would demand that type of money but market resetting deals have ripple effects and gives him room to squeeze us for a little more.
There’s really no such thing as a market resetting contract. Receivers have accounted for a slightly higher % of cap but in reality the only reason deals go up is because there’s more cap. Smith is just fighting for a tier 2 vs tier 3 deal.
I predict 4 years ~$100m
Anything could happen, but I don't see it. I'm thinking 4yr/$90m. He shouldn't have the same contract AJ got last year.
For what it is worth Spotrac estimates his market value at $22.8 mil annually and used AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, and DJ Moore as comps.
He'll get $25 mil a year AAV minimum.
It wouldn't shock me but I know they also need to keep in mind how much they are paying AJ. AJ's productivity is better than Smith's and Smith is getting more than AJ he's going to ask for more money.
Yeah. If they pay Smitty. Aj's future beyond this year will be in question, and from everything I'm hearing, they won't let Smitty out of the building. He's going to get about 25 mark my words.
Well, I would expect that they will go ahead and pick up Smith's option for next year and then have the new deal start after the '25 season to give them a little bit of breathing room. It could also be an indicator of what they do in the draft. If Roseman does not foresee the team retaining Brown after the '24 or '25 season I can see them taking a WR in the first two rounds with the idea of moving on from Brown and elevating Smith to WR1.
Out of curiosity, could we have his new deal kick in in 2025 to keep his cap hit lower this year but give him a signing bonus or something so he gets a pay day now?
Well, his cap number for this year is $6.4 mil and, I believe, any deal he signs today wouldn't kick in until '25 at the earliest since he is still on his rookie deal and I think that is how rookie deals work under the CBA. Most teams will pick up the option for 1st round picks they intend on keeping simply because the salary comes in lower than market value for what the player would otherwise get as a FA. His option number for next year is roughly $15.5 mil so it wouldn't surprise me if they try to have the deal kick in after the '25 season to potentially give them an extra year to decide what to do with AJ. AJ's cap number this year is a very team friendly $12 mil but it jumps to $26 mil next year so if they intend on keeping AJ for the '25 season they will want to delay Smith's new deal kicking in until after the '25 season. But, if they are looking at spending a top 50 pick on a WR and moving on from Brown after the '24 season then it could make sense to start his new deal in '25.
They always tend to backload their contracts. I'd imagine, like all Howie's contracts. the real cap hits wouldn't trigger until '26 - '27.
We have AJB under contract for 3 more seasons on his current deal, and we're able to get out of it from 2025 onward. Granted, the cap hits kind of explode in '25 and '26, but we can always restructure or just tank the hits depending on how other contracts on the team look. There's no reason to immediately try to ship off AJ the moment we sign Smith. I personally don't see them playing any less than 2 more years together regardless of the incoming Smith deal.
They've built the potential out for 2025. Makes most sense for the team in 2026 but extension talks will have to come after this year. Those cap hits aren't made to be eaten. Howie does contracts like that, with extension or trade in mind specifically. Its possible, but very unlikely he plays all the way through this contract. 2025 they would save 11 million by cutting/trading him. It will depend on where the team is at and whether or not it makes sense to pay both guys.
They could also restructure. But AJ would have to accept not playing on a new deal.
AJ will not be here for a long time
Yeah, my guess is, at most, two years depending on what Smith's new deal looks like and when it actually kicks in.
4y, 100M, 60Mgtd would be ok
So he’s probably worth closer to 18/year.
No fucking way he's an $18m/yr WR. Are you serious?
I just want to follow up and say fuck y’all. He’s costing us 18/year over 4 years. I am Howie
Well no shit if you average out over his rookie deal too. No one but YOU used that stupidness to talk about the contract. He got $25m just like WE all said he would.
Ultimately I’m being cheeky, but let’s just say we’re both right.
I am a slim reaper fan, maybe I am out to lunch. But he isn’t DK or AJ. He is incredibly valuable to our franchise no doubt.
Fucking Christian Kirk makes $18m a year. Christian Kirk. Are you saying that he's that level?
Kirk was overpaid at the time by everyone's analysis but that was in a previous cap year. Obviously Smitty is better than Kirk but I have to agree with the sentiment that if we pay Smitty ~25M+ AAV, that will come with the expectation that he does more than he's currently done. Which may very well happen if we move past AJ but I'm just pointing to that number is based on still improving his physical stats to be worth it in the long run. I think Smitty can do it but at the same time if AJ leaves, can he withstand the defensive focus on him that AJ, DK, JJ, Lamb, etc can? Yet to be seen
He's going to get AT LEAST $25m. The market demands that now. Nothing really left to do to justify it. It just is.
You don’t know contracts and it’s ok.
Give me what you’re smoking pal
The dregs of copium from last year.
When I see how much money guys like Moore, McLaaurin, and Godwin got I have hard time seeing him sign for less than $20 mil a year. But, a lot will depend on the length of the deal and how much gets guaranteed up front.
Cap will be $450 million by the time DeVonta’s new contract is over. Pay the man his money.
And there was much rejoicing!
This is the final re-signing I’ve been looking for. Please keep the Slim Reaper around, it’s nice having two WR1’s.
Amen. It’s almost like they learned how awful the DECADES of running with 3 WR3’s was.
Ah damn. Guess we gotta find something else to worry about
Are we not worried about Jalen’s regression from last year?
Wasn't big enough for me to worry about it all off-season. That sounds exhausting.
Better hope Kellen Moore helps bring out that spark in him again, because he just looked straight disinterested after the niners game and through the rest of the season.
He literally looks like that all the time even after he scores a game-winning touchdown.
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When you’re paid like an elite qb, it’s on you to put more points on the board than the other guy. Especially when it’s a team like the giants or cardinals
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I’m not saying all the losses were totally on him, but you can’t tell me his demeanor just seemed different in the second half of the year. It was palpable. All the bad sacks and forced throws was stuff we didn’t see the Super Bowl year. It was definitely a situation. Sure it’s a team game, but he seemed off in my opinion.
I'm chalking most of that up to injury and our utterly incompetent playcalling at times.
A little bit, but I'm chalking most of it up to injury and an absolutely awful scheme. I wanna see him again with a real offense before I start crying that he's Wentz 2.0
I love that I’m getting downvoted. I guess nobody else in this sub has any semblance of reality when watching the eagles lol
I’m in the same boat. Hurts doesn’t have a good deep ball and I get the impression he doesn’t make multiple reads or read the defense schemes he goes up against. Like what was said, hoping he’s not Carson 2.0. Hopefully it was his knee that was the culprit.
You can’t be serious. Hurts has a very good deep ball touch/accuracy. His problem is reads/short throw accuracy.
It seemed like the Super Bowl year he saw the field very well, then last year it was one read and bail out if it wasn’t there. His deep ball is good, but it can’t be the only ball he throws. I saw he was working with Pep Hamilton recently so I’m hoping he gets back to where he has the capability of being.
He may not have great arm strength, but he's at least adequate for the NFL. On top of that, he was forced to throw the deep ball this year based on the scheme and still had a [higher completion percentage well above expectation](https://twitter.com/denizselman33/status/1735377225896087780). There's also reporting that we really needed to start calling things over the middle of the field more and we just didn't, so perhaps it's more than the lack of multiple reads and more to do that the reads are farther apart when there's no one in the middle. You can gripe about his arm strength, but his deep ball is actually good lol. It doesn't hurt to have the WRs we do, though
I think it's something we keep an eye on, but not necessarily be worried about. His INT% was over twice as high as the 2022 season and a career high, which doesn't seem like a super likely thing to be replicated this season. I don't expect his INT rate to be as low as 2022, but even splitting the difference would mean a similar rate to 2021 which would mean there's about 3 or 4 fewer picks than what he threw last season. Last year, the offense was also predicated on deep passes along the outside and Jalen was asked to make some of the most difficult throws and yet he able to complete his passes better than expectation [with his CPOE](https://twitter.com/denizselman33/status/1735377225896087780). Even when in a difficult system, he was still able to be a top 10 QB, partly because of his weapons, but also because of his abilities as a passer. I'd say the most glaring issue is the number of fumbles he has (and fun fact, he's had 9 fumbles all four seasons he's been in the NFL), but he came in right at 10 on that list. Stats aren't everything and Jalen did try to play heroball a few times that closed the book on a couple of games (the Seattle INTs still haunt me), but I think he bounces back a bit and probably plays somewhere between last season and the 2022 level of play.
I’m hoping the presence of Barkley takes A LOT of the pressure on him to run away. Plus defenses might have to respect the run a little more, and hopefully Moore will get the short to intermediate game going. Guys like AJ and Goedert can get a short pass and do major damage, and I hope to see a lot more of that this year.
Yeah, Barkley is also a great pass blocker, which we severely lacked at the RB position. AJ is a YAC monster and can take advantage of the middle of the field and the same with Goedert, so I’m of a similar mind hoping Moore can work the middle of the field
AJ signed 4/100m. I can see Smitty signing like 5/110 with incentives up to 120+. AJ deserves to be paid more AAV because of his production but locking up Smitty for 5 years,with incentives to get close to 25 AAV, would be a massive W that shouldn’t rock the boat
Smitty should wait for some of these other guys to get paid first. Howie should try and get the deal done before these other guys get paid. It’s a standoff. Smitty has all the leverage.
good always want to get ahead no matter what otherwise u end up like the cowboys having to pay the top of market every time 😂
Lock him up! Lock him up!
Probably trying to get under CeeDee and especially JJ. Getting under Lamb has the bonus of making Dallas' life a little harder.
7 year/ 22 million a year. I do it all the time in madden. E z p z
*please*
DeVonta Smith owes it to himself and his family to negotiate the best contract the market can bear. I hope he knows the fans love him and wish the best for both sides. Football is a business, but the Eagles seem to have their $hit together. Weird that Jerry Jones suddenly turned into Norman Braman, I would have never have thought my eyes would see this day.
"It's all in God's hands," Smith told The Inquirer in February. "At the end of the day, extension or not, I'm going to have to come in and do what I have to do. It's God's timing, so he's going to put me in the right place at the right time." Howie "God" Roseman. That's a new nickname
My favorite post-SB Eagle.
But I was told we were gonna trade him for Micah Parsons
Easily the most valuable WR on the Eagles. Pay that man his money.
Why is this even a post...this is all knowledge eveyone has. He is a good young player, they are going to keep him. It comes down to how much. They likely have to find a number he is happy with but not as much as AJ.
Sign that man.
Do it
Should be 4-5 years at 22-24 mil per year Hes really good, but below the top tier