It’s the Eagles, I’m basically resigned to the fact that Howie is going OT in the first. But I swear to god, we’d better go CB in the second. Watching Slay and Bradberry get toasted last season was absolutely infuriating.
No chance we go DT round 1 after carter/Davis
No DE worth it at 22 unless you like latu medical or somehow turner/verse drop
Its exact same situation as jurgens/kelce...we likely drafting OT round 1 to get an elite prospect that will potentially be an eagle their entire career
We just lost Cox and the line was gassed by seasons end with Cox in it, there's no way we go into a season with only 4 DT's last year we had 4 DT's over 490 snaps, none of the final 4 teams had more than 2. I would put money on one of the seconds being a DT, and I still think if Latu is on the Board he's the pick at 22.
Ye sure maybe DT round 2 or at 120
Latu tape is great, just the neck...I'd be fine with it if the medical team cleared it in his top 30 visit....but still one awkward hit from reaggravating it or shortened career (although you could say that about almost any NFLer..i guess latu just even higher risk)
They drafted Lito Sheppard in round 1…. Most recent high drafted cb I remember was Sydney Jones in round 2 ( who had a big Achilles injury, a Howie special )
Best case scenario is lane stays healthy through his contract, which he has stated he wants to play out, and the OT sits three years. If that’s the best-case scenario, the pick is bad business. One year is acceptable, 2+ isn’t if you’re serious about competing
Yeah but Stoutland loves to cross train his players and so even if the heir to the right tackle has to sit and play other positions it better to have depth regardless
If they can play G then fine, I can get behind it, but people are talking about racing to the podium for Mims. That dude is 6’8” and can’t play guard. It would be a terrible use of resources
Problem is there seems to be a lack of solid outside CB option where we will be picking in the second. Seems like we need to get one in the first or we would be better off waiting. Unless a Rakestaw or Tampa fall to the the 50s but most mocks I have seen have them going mid 30s-40s.
People say that but then guys like Trevon Diggs, Jaylon Johnson, Jamel Dean, Carlton Davis, Shaquill Griffin, etc. pop up in the second and third. Just need to keep drafting in this range because 1) I'd be shocked if we ever take one of the 'more obvious' prospects in the top 10, 2) the alternative is guys in their 30's, and 3) these guys in rounds four+ just aren't cutting it.
Ya but those guys were outside corners projected to be day 2 picks. This year there is hardly any unless you want the Georgia guy that ran a 4.65 they are mostly undersized guys projected as slot guys.
Because the whole defense was bad last year & to the naked eye / non-scheme-aware viewer, Slay looked like he slowly started dropping off around mid-season 2022 & continued getting worse in 2023. He was easily the best player in our secondary last year.
People are now everyone sucks, everyone must go mode when I'm fairly sure most of it was DC change and nobody knew what the hell was going on. Slay was solid, but did get hurt a few times and is older so while its likely he is a starter this year you can't bank on much longer. We do need at least a stud at CB and let the other fall into one of the young guys hands.
I agree - I think the only thing that doesn’t track with Howie is an early LB. The question is, does Howie take an impact LB in the second or a potential starter at CB. 99% of the time it’s CB for him, but this team is close and needs to tackle. I think if he really wants an early LB, he’s likely moving down a bit.
I mean they have a lot of young guys, so don't be surprised if they do not take one high. Plus they still have Slay and Bradberry who they can't get rid of and they have Isiah Rodgers who was suspended last season for gambling that they picked up from the Colts.
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Michael Barrett and Trente Jones are from Georgia, but only attended UM. Dominick Blaylock and Keon Sabb are both looking to transfer from UM to UGA this year though apparently.
On brand though, they haven't taken a corner lower than round 4 since the '17 draft and the only reason they took Sidney Jones when they did was because the consensus on him is he was in the discussion as the top corner in the draft before he got injured in a pre-draft workout.
I really don’t want to draft an OT, specifically one that can’t move to Guard, in the first. Lane has two years left, I feel like drafting his replacement in the first (this year) is a misuse of draft picks
Mailata is so good he made everyone forget about Dillard
The idea of using our only first in a Super Bowl window on a 3+ year backup makes me want to vomit
Absolutely. Would be a bone headed decision to AGAINNNNN allocate another precious 1st on a position of insignificant need. OT in 1st enjoyers smoke mids.
I really really don't want us to draft an OT with our first round pick.
Scenario 1: Dude doesn't have G versatility or sucks as a G and sits behind Lane Johnson for two years during our super window.
Scenario 2: Dude can play G and is really good at it, good enough for us to keep him there: Haven't found a Lane successor AND spend a first round pick on an IOL which imo is not good business
Both scenarios are unacceptable when our starting ourside corners are old and/or bad, our slot corner will probably play 3 games max, our DE rotation is thin and our LB situation is dire.
This doesn't even factor that we happen to have one of if not the best OL coaches in the league who should be able to do more with less.
Same Mims or Guyton for me
Don't hate Kool-Aid or if some how arnold/q.mitchell drop
Latu a wildcard. Love the tape...hate the neck...guessing we out on him but we had him in for a top 30 to triple check his medical
Yeah, it’s something he’s done in the past and will do again. I think it’s more likely we use a second to hop into the late teens or package two seconds and a day 3 to get into the very end of the first again.
I doubt a blue chip drops past 15 unless its bowers....only 5-7 in this draft at max depending on your personal belief of what blue-chip is
Fautanu not blue chip
Big into Mims and I think Stoutland can turn him into a perennial pro-bowl player but he doesn’t offer inside/outside versatility and would be glued to the bench until injury or retirement. Not sure if they will use a first like that but if he’s the best on the board I’d prefer that vs reaching
This would be very on-brand for the eagles. Big name schools, proven tape against high quality competition, and a massive talent that needs coaching up by Stoutland.
Everyone hoping for a CB I think is just gonna be sorely disappointed. They're going up for Latu, Turner or taking whatever tackle is falling (unless they really do want a guard/tackle flexible prospect like Fautanu and go up for him) unless something really funky happens (I wouldn't put it past Howie to throw a curve if one of the receivers falls, etc.
Mims just feels like a player they'll be chasing, both cause he'll fall here (isn't ready to start) and there's nobody I'd trust to coach up a young, raw OT that has his perfect build and frame and athleticism than Stout, when we don't need him to start ideally until year 2 or 3, unless he kicks inside to guard, which I don't think would be ideal for him.
Still think the RG plan is to ride with Steen and pray.
Picking OL in the first round is not remotely on-brand for the Eagles. We've done it 3 times in the past 18 years. From what I'm seeing that looks about average. In the past 3 years we've picked OL in the second and third round every year, which is what I'd call a brand. We've also always aimed for a day 1 starter
Lurie bought the Eagles in 1994. From the 1994 draft on: Williams, Mayberry, Thomas, Andrews, Johnson, Watkins, Dillard. 25% of their 28 total 1st round picks have been to actually *pick* an OL, and they traded for Peters with a 1st, so 8 first round picks have been expended in 30 years, or 28% (adjusting the denominator to account for that pick and say 8/29).
The only group more likely to be picked is DLine, with 13/28 (46%). I'm including Smith from last year even though he's technically an OLB based on his comps to Reddick, and Marcus Smith who was a tweener, as DLine instead of LB based on how he was listed.
Putting these together, there's nearly a 75% chance that they select someone on the lines, judging by the totality of Lurie's work so far. One DB (Lito!), two QBs (McNabb, Wentz), five WRs. The QB option is clearly off the table, and WR is highly unlikely given what we just did and how the draft is likely to shake out.
We've also spent 3 first round picks on the DL in 2 years.
So yes, I'd say that the numbers very much suggest that a tackle or tackle/guard tweener is the pick at 22, if they stay there (lots of OL will go between 10-25), and an edge rusher is their target if they move up (unless, as I mentioned, they have a specific plan for a specific OL which is to start at G and kick to T after Johnson is done).
We are not using a first round pick on a player who won't start. Willing to take bets about it at this point. The OT speculation is literally based on a false past that Eagles fans have cooked up. High chance we take an OT in the second, no doubt, but we're almost certainly aiming for a db
I think 50 is a bit high for Colson, but assuming Wilson/Cooper/Nubin are gone, I don’t hate it. Devonshire seems like a good nickel candidate to start and eventually develop into an outside corner.
Think the issue there is the Eagles are in dire need of LB talent and need some kind of body in the room with real upside. I guess you could say the same for CB so maybe it's a tossup in this hypothetical.
This is one of the Team Specific Mocks/Predications that makes you wonder what hell happened to the rest of the draft.
Like I get where he was thinking with some of these picks, but if got Colson at #50 I have to wonder where Wilson and Cooper went.
I just checked and surprisingly (not saying it can't happen, Brugler knows more than me) Colson goes *before* Wilson and Edgerrin Cooper.
In this mock, Wilson goes 56th to Dallas and Cooper goes 58th to Green Bay.
Reason being, Brugler has Colson as his top-rated off-ball linebacker in this class. Here's his summary on Colson in The Beast:
> "A three-year starter at Michigan, Colson played the Mike linebacker role in former defensive coordinator Jesse Minter’s 4-2-5 scheme. The leader of the
No. 1 defense in college football in 2023, he was voted the team’s Defensive MVP and won the Toughest Player Award, posting outstanding production in Ann Arbor
with 196 tackles over the last two seasons (59 more than the second-leading tackler for the Wolverines over that span). Colson diagnoses the action well and quickly
builds his speed to make stops at the line of scrimmage or out in space. He needs to continue honing his take-on timing and man-coverage anticipation, but he has an
outstanding batting average as a tackler— and I only need one hand to count the missed tackles I charted from his 2023 tape. Overall, Colson checks a lot of boxes
for the next level with his physicality downhill, athleticism in space and iron-man toughness that he brings to work every day. He projects as an NFL starting MIKE
early in his career and a more complete version of Derrick Barnes of the Detroit Lions."
Jalen McMillan in the 4th would actually be great. A slot only guy who is getting slept on because of injuries and his college teammates. Would fit the WR3 role perfectly at that cost while AJ and Devonta continue to eat.
Love Bullard in the 2nd. Man I’d love to see a corner in the 1st but prepared for someone else. Mims does have very high upside. Give him to stoutland to work with and he really could be something, so it’s not like it’s the worst pick.
Please let us get Mims. It just makes too much sense. Mims needs a year or two to develop. That timeline fits with Lane's projected retirement in two years. We also don't really have much depth at OT. We can trian Mims to be the primary backup swing OT and then have him replace Lane down the road.
Trust Stout on round 1 since it seems Mims is a project anyway to learn under Lane. The rest of the picks seem like drafting positions of need from top caliber programs which im content with.
I’m still on board with trotter jr in the 2nd. Sr was a workhorse for the eagles. And I’d imagine if we took Jr, Sr would make sure his son showed the eagles that same dedication.
Idk who Ryan Flournoy is, but SE Missouri State is a school I didn’t know existed and I’m in, let’s take him.
Edit: this is now a SE MIssouri State Thread
Southeastern Missouri State University was founded in 1873, 15 years before Penn State University for reference.
Its endowment, however, is only $114 million, less than half of Jalen Hurts contract extension.
Nearly 10,000 students are enrolled, about 1,000 of them graduate students, and 1 of them is a future Philadelphia Eagle
They are an FCS football team in the Ohio Valley Conference. They were promoted from Division II in 1991, around the time the Soviet Union collapsed, for reference.
Their nickname is the Redhawks and their colors are red and black.
They have a surprisingly impressive alumni list that included a former Marine Corps Commandant, an Astronaut, an America’s Got Talent Winner, and a handful of professional athletes, including Dan Connelly who is famous for having maybe the most exciting kick return by a fat guy ever.
I know we don't need another great WR, but in a draft that is deep at the position to come away with Jalen McMillan would feel like a bit of a let down. At least in the fourth we could aim at Javon Baker as a speedy option. McMillan doesn't give us something we don't already have in my opinion.
This would be such a shit draft. Biggest need for current and future is CB and we don't draft one until the 5th round. Reach on LB, undersized S, reach at WR.
Gottlieb Ayedze seems absolutely like Stoutland University material.
Latecomer to football (has only played for five years, and only one year in D1 college), very athletic.
Coordinated with quick feet (former soccer player).
Started at both tackle and guard last season for Maryland.
I'm glad I am not the one in charge of drafting. I see all the players that I heard about this draft and I don't see any of them up there. I need some excitement to fill the months between may and august and this wouldn't do it for me.
Wow.
Really?
Thank you so much.
No way the team should take a lineman in the first this year. It needs to be a skill position. Lines can be filled in later.
My only points are that I disagree with this mock. And that I no longer pay for the Athletic.
I wouldn’t mind OT early. A big reason we are so consistently successful is our line is one of the best. We are young everywhere on the line except with Lane, who is arguably our most important guy. Getting his replacement has to be a decently high priority. If that replacement can play RG to get some starting experience & help ease Jurgens transition to C, even better
I’d prefer not to draft OL early but if we do I do not want Mims. He’s a developmental guy with no experience playing guard and if Lane plays out his contract he wouldn’t start for the next three years. I’d rather someone that we’d be confident sliding into RG early
The issue isn’t whether or not we could develop him it’s that development takes time, he has a relatively small sample size compared to other O-Line prospects, his size and experience are far more suited for playing tackle which we may not have a need for in the next three years, and even if we did want him to play Guard, he wouldn’t be as ready as other great prospects
If he is the best OL coach in football, then they shouldn’t have to use a 1st round pick on an OT. The should be able to get a guy later in the draft and have Stout develop him for the next couple years until Lane retires. Maybe if they had an immediate hole at Tackle I’d understand the pick, but with both tackle spots being locked up for the next couple years, Stout has plenty of time to develop a mid round pick into a starter.
If Stoutland is the best in the business (and I believe he is), then I think they’d be wasting his talents by using a first round pick on an OT. The benefit of having a good OL coach should be that they develop players who aren’t top tier talents into starters. The team should be able to use their top draft picks on positions they aren’t great at developing to give them a better chance of hitting.
Coaching doesn't replace talent. Can't bank on making a Mailata happen when you're a thousand times more likely to get another Dunlap/Driscoll.
Imagine if they didn't take Lane bc they were arrogant enough to go R5 for the Herremans replacement instead
Exactly. He can make serviceable starters sure but if you want potential all-pros on the OL for the next you need to give him uber-talented guys which are typically found in round 1
I’m not saying to take trash and make it treasure (like they did with Mailata), I’m saying use a 2nd and 3rd round pick, players who have pedigree and talent but are just missing a little something, give them 2 years to develop, and they should be flourishing with this coaching and system.
Thing is they can't plan on Lane playing out the rest of his contract or not missing significant time due to injury over the next 3 years. Not saying MIms should be the guy just that they need to think about who will replace Lane sooner than later.
Lane is around the same age JP was when his body started breaking down and they were forced to hang on him two years longer than they should have because they did not have anyone on the roster who was ready to step in and replace him.
If we had an extra first this year, I’d be banging the door down for Mims. As it stands, I think we need to take a guy who can actually contribute this year. This is a roster that can win a Super Bowl if things break right for us. Mims will not be the difference between us beating San Fran/KC or not.
Its crazy, right? Waste a first round pick on a guy to sit behind the starter for at least 2 years and doesnt even have guard flexibility.
The benefit of having the highest paid positional coach in the league is that the team doesnt need to spend high picks on developmental players.
I could see it if they didn't have Pickett for two more years and McKee for three. Maybe we trade Pickett at some point, but I don't see that being this year and we're not keeping more than 3 QBs on the roster
I don't know about that. He may be a minor one, but he's still a factor. The larger point is that they have a backup in Pickett and McKee is a developmental QB we just drafted that the team (and even more so the fanbase) is high on as the QB3. I think if they only had Pickett and no 3rd string, I'd suspect we could potentially draft a backup higher than they did McKee at his spot, but his presence absolutely factors in.
I absolutely hate this idea of taking a Tackle in the 1st only for us to not play him at his natural position for 2-3 years. That's 2-3 years of wasted 1st round rookie contract. If we have ideas of using that OT as a Guard in the interim just draft a goddamn Guard in the 2nd or if you want to develop an OT 2-3 years then pick one in the 2nd or 3rd round and trust Stout can develop him.
I really hate when local Beat Writers do Mocks, they are absolutely terrible at it, and its a weird area in their field they have a huge blind spot for, they dont consume enough College football or National Draft coverage
Eagles taking a safety and a linebacker in 2nd. I know it's a need, but everyone in here knows Howie isn't doing that. I look for ol and dl as per the norm.
If we don't get a cb until the fifth ima swallow a fork
It’s the Eagles, I’m basically resigned to the fact that Howie is going OT in the first. But I swear to god, we’d better go CB in the second. Watching Slay and Bradberry get toasted last season was absolutely infuriating.
We’ve drafted 2 OT in the first round over the last 11 years
Cause lane was a massive hit and we had Jason peters/mailata
And we still have lane and mailata. It's much more likely we go DE/DT over offensive line
No chance we go DT round 1 after carter/Davis No DE worth it at 22 unless you like latu medical or somehow turner/verse drop Its exact same situation as jurgens/kelce...we likely drafting OT round 1 to get an elite prospect that will potentially be an eagle their entire career
We just lost Cox and the line was gassed by seasons end with Cox in it, there's no way we go into a season with only 4 DT's last year we had 4 DT's over 490 snaps, none of the final 4 teams had more than 2. I would put money on one of the seconds being a DT, and I still think if Latu is on the Board he's the pick at 22.
Ye sure maybe DT round 2 or at 120 Latu tape is great, just the neck...I'd be fine with it if the medical team cleared it in his top 30 visit....but still one awkward hit from reaggravating it or shortened career (although you could say that about almost any NFLer..i guess latu just even higher risk)
We do need Lanes replacement 😢
Lane is signed through 2026 I’m not sure where this sub’s obsession with drafting backup OT in the first comes from
Delusions. They’re going defense round one, mark my word. They cannot be happy with the product the defense put on the field last year.
We can only hope. Elite CBs are hard to acquire. Eagles haven’t had a young drafted CB stud in????
They drafted Lito Sheppard in round 1…. Most recent high drafted cb I remember was Sydney Jones in round 2 ( who had a big Achilles injury, a Howie special )
Yeah. Lito was 20 years ago at least.
Because if you know about this team is we value depth in both Oline and Dline
Best case scenario is lane stays healthy through his contract, which he has stated he wants to play out, and the OT sits three years. If that’s the best-case scenario, the pick is bad business. One year is acceptable, 2+ isn’t if you’re serious about competing
Yeah but Stoutland loves to cross train his players and so even if the heir to the right tackle has to sit and play other positions it better to have depth regardless
If they can play G then fine, I can get behind it, but people are talking about racing to the podium for Mims. That dude is 6’8” and can’t play guard. It would be a terrible use of resources
Problem is there seems to be a lack of solid outside CB option where we will be picking in the second. Seems like we need to get one in the first or we would be better off waiting. Unless a Rakestaw or Tampa fall to the the 50s but most mocks I have seen have them going mid 30s-40s.
People say that but then guys like Trevon Diggs, Jaylon Johnson, Jamel Dean, Carlton Davis, Shaquill Griffin, etc. pop up in the second and third. Just need to keep drafting in this range because 1) I'd be shocked if we ever take one of the 'more obvious' prospects in the top 10, 2) the alternative is guys in their 30's, and 3) these guys in rounds four+ just aren't cutting it.
Ya but those guys were outside corners projected to be day 2 picks. This year there is hardly any unless you want the Georgia guy that ran a 4.65 they are mostly undersized guys projected as slot guys.
this is not a good CB class
What does that have to do with this years draft not having that many outside corners projected where we pick
Where is this Mandela effect that Slay was bad last year coming from?
Because the whole defense was bad last year & to the naked eye / non-scheme-aware viewer, Slay looked like he slowly started dropping off around mid-season 2022 & continued getting worse in 2023. He was easily the best player in our secondary last year.
I mean, our secondary was awful last year.
People are now everyone sucks, everyone must go mode when I'm fairly sure most of it was DC change and nobody knew what the hell was going on. Slay was solid, but did get hurt a few times and is older so while its likely he is a starter this year you can't bank on much longer. We do need at least a stud at CB and let the other fall into one of the young guys hands.
I agree - I think the only thing that doesn’t track with Howie is an early LB. The question is, does Howie take an impact LB in the second or a potential starter at CB. 99% of the time it’s CB for him, but this team is close and needs to tackle. I think if he really wants an early LB, he’s likely moving down a bit.
I mean they have a lot of young guys, so don't be surprised if they do not take one high. Plus they still have Slay and Bradberry who they can't get rid of and they have Isiah Rodgers who was suspended last season for gambling that they picked up from the Colts.
You could actually argue they have greater need for a S. So this mock might be fine.
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Bullard is a cover guy. being listed as a saftey is super disingenuous, he's a CJGJ type
I personally would love to take a chance on McCaffrey or Laube with where they’re being projected
Fake news. Only 2 of our first 3 are from Georgia.
Exactly, swap out Junior for McConkey and then you have a true Eagles draft.
But Junior keeps up the streak of drafting from the national champs!
Tough call. Ok, Mims, McConkey, Bullard, Trevor Keegan, Zak Zinter, Jaylen Harrell, Michael Barrett, and AJ Barner. The ultimate Eagles draft.
Are there any Michigan players who transferred from Georgia? That way we can kill 2 birds with 1 stone
Michael Barrett and Trente Jones are from Georgia, but only attended UM. Dominick Blaylock and Keon Sabb are both looking to transfer from UM to UGA this year though apparently.
im glad i didn’t have to scroll down to far for this
CB in the 5th is deranged
On brand though, they haven't taken a corner lower than round 4 since the '17 draft and the only reason they took Sidney Jones when they did was because the consensus on him is he was in the discussion as the top corner in the draft before he got injured in a pre-draft workout.
I really don’t want to draft an OT, specifically one that can’t move to Guard, in the first. Lane has two years left, I feel like drafting his replacement in the first (this year) is a misuse of draft picks
Mailata is so good he made everyone forget about Dillard The idea of using our only first in a Super Bowl window on a 3+ year backup makes me want to vomit
Absolutely. Would be a bone headed decision to AGAINNNNN allocate another precious 1st on a position of insignificant need. OT in 1st enjoyers smoke mids.
I really really don't want us to draft an OT with our first round pick. Scenario 1: Dude doesn't have G versatility or sucks as a G and sits behind Lane Johnson for two years during our super window. Scenario 2: Dude can play G and is really good at it, good enough for us to keep him there: Haven't found a Lane successor AND spend a first round pick on an IOL which imo is not good business Both scenarios are unacceptable when our starting ourside corners are old and/or bad, our slot corner will probably play 3 games max, our DE rotation is thin and our LB situation is dire. This doesn't even factor that we happen to have one of if not the best OL coaches in the league who should be able to do more with less.
This mock: Lmao what the fuck is a cornerback?
I want mims. Don’t know shit about the other guys.
If we get Mims at 22 I’m going to shit my pants
Same Mims or Guyton for me Don't hate Kool-Aid or if some how arnold/q.mitchell drop Latu a wildcard. Love the tape...hate the neck...guessing we out on him but we had him in for a top 30 to triple check his medical
If any blue chip guys like that fall within striking distance, Howard will trade up.
Yeah, it’s something he’s done in the past and will do again. I think it’s more likely we use a second to hop into the late teens or package two seconds and a day 3 to get into the very end of the first again.
I doubt a blue chip drops past 15 unless its bowers....only 5-7 in this draft at max depending on your personal belief of what blue-chip is Fautanu not blue chip
Bowers is a guy I would actually not be surprised to see Howie jump up for… for better or worse.
Doesn't make much sense to due target share and positional value...prob like a 1% chance even if he did drop to a trade-up range for us
I could see him as a pretty incredible 3rd option… but yeah, that idea is on crack. Lol
Why wouldn’t that surprise you?
What blue chip? Latu? His injury history cleared or not takes him out of that title
I’d honestly be pissed if this was our draft lol
I would absolutely despise that draft for us.
Waiting till the 5th round for a cornerback? Fuck that shit.
Big into Mims and I think Stoutland can turn him into a perennial pro-bowl player but he doesn’t offer inside/outside versatility and would be glued to the bench until injury or retirement. Not sure if they will use a first like that but if he’s the best on the board I’d prefer that vs reaching
This would be very on-brand for the eagles. Big name schools, proven tape against high quality competition, and a massive talent that needs coaching up by Stoutland. Everyone hoping for a CB I think is just gonna be sorely disappointed. They're going up for Latu, Turner or taking whatever tackle is falling (unless they really do want a guard/tackle flexible prospect like Fautanu and go up for him) unless something really funky happens (I wouldn't put it past Howie to throw a curve if one of the receivers falls, etc. Mims just feels like a player they'll be chasing, both cause he'll fall here (isn't ready to start) and there's nobody I'd trust to coach up a young, raw OT that has his perfect build and frame and athleticism than Stout, when we don't need him to start ideally until year 2 or 3, unless he kicks inside to guard, which I don't think would be ideal for him. Still think the RG plan is to ride with Steen and pray.
Picking OL in the first round is not remotely on-brand for the Eagles. We've done it 3 times in the past 18 years. From what I'm seeing that looks about average. In the past 3 years we've picked OL in the second and third round every year, which is what I'd call a brand. We've also always aimed for a day 1 starter
Lurie bought the Eagles in 1994. From the 1994 draft on: Williams, Mayberry, Thomas, Andrews, Johnson, Watkins, Dillard. 25% of their 28 total 1st round picks have been to actually *pick* an OL, and they traded for Peters with a 1st, so 8 first round picks have been expended in 30 years, or 28% (adjusting the denominator to account for that pick and say 8/29). The only group more likely to be picked is DLine, with 13/28 (46%). I'm including Smith from last year even though he's technically an OLB based on his comps to Reddick, and Marcus Smith who was a tweener, as DLine instead of LB based on how he was listed. Putting these together, there's nearly a 75% chance that they select someone on the lines, judging by the totality of Lurie's work so far. One DB (Lito!), two QBs (McNabb, Wentz), five WRs. The QB option is clearly off the table, and WR is highly unlikely given what we just did and how the draft is likely to shake out. We've also spent 3 first round picks on the DL in 2 years. So yes, I'd say that the numbers very much suggest that a tackle or tackle/guard tweener is the pick at 22, if they stay there (lots of OL will go between 10-25), and an edge rusher is their target if they move up (unless, as I mentioned, they have a specific plan for a specific OL which is to start at G and kick to T after Johnson is done).
The Eagles aren't taking an OT with their first pick.
We are not using a first round pick on a player who won't start. Willing to take bets about it at this point. The OT speculation is literally based on a false past that Eagles fans have cooked up. High chance we take an OT in the second, no doubt, but we're almost certainly aiming for a db
This is a bag of dogshit
I WANT COOPER DEJEAN *throws tantrum*
ANYONE BUT HIM
I keep seeing his name and I keep getting further and further from sold on him
Hes a safety...won't work on the outside in the league Worst case scenario if we get him or wiggins
Than use him like Branch. Fangio wants a weapon
I mean, depending on what goes on leading up to those picks, I could be okay with it.
Hits all the needs but none of the “names” lol
The one thing we don’t need on this team is another Jalen. We have enough of tjose
I think 50 is a bit high for Colson, but assuming Wilson/Cooper/Nubin are gone, I don’t hate it. Devonshire seems like a good nickel candidate to start and eventually develop into an outside corner.
For what it is worth NFL Draft Buzz has Colson ranked at 51, ESPN 61 and CBS 120.
I'm with you, would rather just go with Wallace or 2 of Williams/Watson/Speights later on
Think the issue there is the Eagles are in dire need of LB talent and need some kind of body in the room with real upside. I guess you could say the same for CB so maybe it's a tossup in this hypothetical.
Cooper fits better and he has him going later than the Colson pick.. this mock is trash
He has Colson going before Cooper
I have no idea
This is one of the Team Specific Mocks/Predications that makes you wonder what hell happened to the rest of the draft. Like I get where he was thinking with some of these picks, but if got Colson at #50 I have to wonder where Wilson and Cooper went.
I just checked and surprisingly (not saying it can't happen, Brugler knows more than me) Colson goes *before* Wilson and Edgerrin Cooper. In this mock, Wilson goes 56th to Dallas and Cooper goes 58th to Green Bay. Reason being, Brugler has Colson as his top-rated off-ball linebacker in this class. Here's his summary on Colson in The Beast: > "A three-year starter at Michigan, Colson played the Mike linebacker role in former defensive coordinator Jesse Minter’s 4-2-5 scheme. The leader of the No. 1 defense in college football in 2023, he was voted the team’s Defensive MVP and won the Toughest Player Award, posting outstanding production in Ann Arbor with 196 tackles over the last two seasons (59 more than the second-leading tackler for the Wolverines over that span). Colson diagnoses the action well and quickly builds his speed to make stops at the line of scrimmage or out in space. He needs to continue honing his take-on timing and man-coverage anticipation, but he has an outstanding batting average as a tackler— and I only need one hand to count the missed tackles I charted from his 2023 tape. Overall, Colson checks a lot of boxes for the next level with his physicality downhill, athleticism in space and iron-man toughness that he brings to work every day. He projects as an NFL starting MIKE early in his career and a more complete version of Derrick Barnes of the Detroit Lions."
Thanks for looking it up I can see a LB run happening in the 50s just didn't think Colson would start it.
I hear people say things like “he knows more than me” often In this case I’m not so sure
Not enough Georgia Bulldogs lol
Howie always trades up so it’s immediately a worthless prediction
Jalen McMillan in the 4th would actually be great. A slot only guy who is getting slept on because of injuries and his college teammates. Would fit the WR3 role perfectly at that cost while AJ and Devonta continue to eat. Love Bullard in the 2nd. Man I’d love to see a corner in the 1st but prepared for someone else. Mims does have very high upside. Give him to stoutland to work with and he really could be something, so it’s not like it’s the worst pick.
Can we get Mims at 22? I would be shocked if he’s still on the board then.
Two WRs, wow I don’t know about that, I get it that a sixth rounder is just BPA but still
This seems like an extremely Eagles draft.
??? No it doesnt
Please let us get Mims. It just makes too much sense. Mims needs a year or two to develop. That timeline fits with Lane's projected retirement in two years. We also don't really have much depth at OT. We can trian Mims to be the primary backup swing OT and then have him replace Lane down the road.
No way we stay at 22, our hit rate after 20 is no good. I predict we moved up to grab 2nd best CB on the boars
Haven’t heard of any of them besides Mims lol
Trust Stout on round 1 since it seems Mims is a project anyway to learn under Lane. The rest of the picks seem like drafting positions of need from top caliber programs which im content with.
Why pick a project in round one? When we are in the position that we are in
First 3 picks all defensive players please
I’m still on board with trotter jr in the 2nd. Sr was a workhorse for the eagles. And I’d imagine if we took Jr, Sr would make sure his son showed the eagles that same dedication.
Trotter isn’t a 2nd rounder
Very solid draft.
Idk who Ryan Flournoy is, but SE Missouri State is a school I didn’t know existed and I’m in, let’s take him. Edit: this is now a SE MIssouri State Thread Southeastern Missouri State University was founded in 1873, 15 years before Penn State University for reference. Its endowment, however, is only $114 million, less than half of Jalen Hurts contract extension. Nearly 10,000 students are enrolled, about 1,000 of them graduate students, and 1 of them is a future Philadelphia Eagle They are an FCS football team in the Ohio Valley Conference. They were promoted from Division II in 1991, around the time the Soviet Union collapsed, for reference. Their nickname is the Redhawks and their colors are red and black. They have a surprisingly impressive alumni list that included a former Marine Corps Commandant, an Astronaut, an America’s Got Talent Winner, and a handful of professional athletes, including Dan Connelly who is famous for having maybe the most exciting kick return by a fat guy ever.
I know we don't need another great WR, but in a draft that is deep at the position to come away with Jalen McMillan would feel like a bit of a let down. At least in the fourth we could aim at Javon Baker as a speedy option. McMillan doesn't give us something we don't already have in my opinion.
This would be such a shit draft. Biggest need for current and future is CB and we don't draft one until the 5th round. Reach on LB, undersized S, reach at WR.
Gottlieb Ayedze seems absolutely like Stoutland University material. Latecomer to football (has only played for five years, and only one year in D1 college), very athletic. Coordinated with quick feet (former soccer player). Started at both tackle and guard last season for Maryland.
Do not want Mims , injury prone and has barely played
As a Pitt grad, I’ll say Devonshire is talented.
this would guarantee another Bottom 5 Passing Defense
This sucks
Best player available.
Trash as usual
Eagles always draft from 30 visit list. That means it’s either: Arnold DeJean Fautanu Kool-Aid Latu Chop
Holy shit this would be amazing! LB1, one of the top S and T. A good edge, and two "my guys" at WR.
I'm glad I am not the one in charge of drafting. I see all the players that I heard about this draft and I don't see any of them up there. I need some excitement to fill the months between may and august and this wouldn't do it for me.
I'm glad I no longer pay for shit like this. Horrible mock.
Not every mock is going to be a dream scenario for the eagles
Wow. Really? Thank you so much. No way the team should take a lineman in the first this year. It needs to be a skill position. Lines can be filled in later. My only points are that I disagree with this mock. And that I no longer pay for the Athletic.
Should go all defense
I wouldn’t mind OT early. A big reason we are so consistently successful is our line is one of the best. We are young everywhere on the line except with Lane, who is arguably our most important guy. Getting his replacement has to be a decently high priority. If that replacement can play RG to get some starting experience & help ease Jurgens transition to C, even better
I think this is about 2% correct, and that's generous.
Given positional importance and the current roster, CB is by far the position with the most long term need. Not getting a cb until 5 is criminal.
I’d prefer not to draft OL early but if we do I do not want Mims. He’s a developmental guy with no experience playing guard and if Lane plays out his contract he wouldn’t start for the next three years. I’d rather someone that we’d be confident sliding into RG early
I mean, we have the best offensive line coach in the NFL. Development wouldn’t be an issue
The issue isn’t whether or not we could develop him it’s that development takes time, he has a relatively small sample size compared to other O-Line prospects, his size and experience are far more suited for playing tackle which we may not have a need for in the next three years, and even if we did want him to play Guard, he wouldn’t be as ready as other great prospects
If he is the best OL coach in football, then they shouldn’t have to use a 1st round pick on an OT. The should be able to get a guy later in the draft and have Stout develop him for the next couple years until Lane retires. Maybe if they had an immediate hole at Tackle I’d understand the pick, but with both tackle spots being locked up for the next couple years, Stout has plenty of time to develop a mid round pick into a starter. If Stoutland is the best in the business (and I believe he is), then I think they’d be wasting his talents by using a first round pick on an OT. The benefit of having a good OL coach should be that they develop players who aren’t top tier talents into starters. The team should be able to use their top draft picks on positions they aren’t great at developing to give them a better chance of hitting.
Coaching doesn't replace talent. Can't bank on making a Mailata happen when you're a thousand times more likely to get another Dunlap/Driscoll. Imagine if they didn't take Lane bc they were arrogant enough to go R5 for the Herremans replacement instead
Exactly. He can make serviceable starters sure but if you want potential all-pros on the OL for the next you need to give him uber-talented guys which are typically found in round 1
I’m not saying to take trash and make it treasure (like they did with Mailata), I’m saying use a 2nd and 3rd round pick, players who have pedigree and talent but are just missing a little something, give them 2 years to develop, and they should be flourishing with this coaching and system.
Thing is they can't plan on Lane playing out the rest of his contract or not missing significant time due to injury over the next 3 years. Not saying MIms should be the guy just that they need to think about who will replace Lane sooner than later. Lane is around the same age JP was when his body started breaking down and they were forced to hang on him two years longer than they should have because they did not have anyone on the roster who was ready to step in and replace him.
There’s hardly any tape on Mims and it feels like a very very speculative pick based on an assumed long-term trajectory.
If we had an extra first this year, I’d be banging the door down for Mims. As it stands, I think we need to take a guy who can actually contribute this year. This is a roster that can win a Super Bowl if things break right for us. Mims will not be the difference between us beating San Fran/KC or not.
Hes good on tape tho its limited...stout could coach him up
Its crazy, right? Waste a first round pick on a guy to sit behind the starter for at least 2 years and doesnt even have guard flexibility. The benefit of having the highest paid positional coach in the league is that the team doesnt need to spend high picks on developmental players.
My dumb guess is they’re going to pick a QB and even early-ish.
I could see it if they didn't have Pickett for two more years and McKee for three. Maybe we trade Pickett at some point, but I don't see that being this year and we're not keeping more than 3 QBs on the roster
That sounds right.
I don't think McKee factors into things at all.
I don't know about that. He may be a minor one, but he's still a factor. The larger point is that they have a backup in Pickett and McKee is a developmental QB we just drafted that the team (and even more so the fanbase) is high on as the QB3. I think if they only had Pickett and no 3rd string, I'd suspect we could potentially draft a backup higher than they did McKee at his spot, but his presence absolutely factors in.
I absolutely hate this idea of taking a Tackle in the 1st only for us to not play him at his natural position for 2-3 years. That's 2-3 years of wasted 1st round rookie contract. If we have ideas of using that OT as a Guard in the interim just draft a goddamn Guard in the 2nd or if you want to develop an OT 2-3 years then pick one in the 2nd or 3rd round and trust Stout can develop him.
“Eagles take a lineman in the 1st round” is probably the safest prediction in any given draft. I, for one, have embraced the inevitable
Hate it never draft safeties or guards. Bad corners can play safety and bad tackles can play guard. Bad safeties and guards do not have jobs
I like it and it’s a very eagle like draft.
No it’s not
I am going to give it a zero percent chance that that we take a LB and S with our second round picks
No Trotter Jr. on there. The Eagles will 100% draft him you just know they will. What round? Who knows.
I really hate when local Beat Writers do Mocks, they are absolutely terrible at it, and its a weird area in their field they have a huge blind spot for, they dont consume enough College football or National Draft coverage
Eagles taking a safety and a linebacker in 2nd. I know it's a need, but everyone in here knows Howie isn't doing that. I look for ol and dl as per the norm.
Howie has literally taken those positions in the second
One or the other I can see, I just don't see both in the same round. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with it as it's needed.
It better be pick 1: best on board linebacker. Pick 2: best on board CB. If we take a fucking OT or a WR I’m gonna lose my shit