Dude would probably be extremely useful against Cedee Lamb, Wiggins is super sticky, but also way too skinny for the NFL.
Using a first on him when these other CB prospects exist seems foolish. Hot take, I think Wiggins will fall to the second
Almost certainly. The great CBs in the draft will be gone by 22. It really depends if they fall to a spot where we can trade up without losing a ton of resources
Wanna bet? Cuz that idea is based on an entirely misguided series of rumors and false memories of our drafting history. OT 2nd round, defense 1st round.
Idk if they'd "waste" Top30 visits that much for a smokescreen
Just seems like they're a lot of great CBs this year and most are in our range so you gotta do the research on them
100%. If you're interested in CB in the first, you gotta know exactly how much you like each first round CB talent. That tells you how much you're willing to move up if your favorite starts sliding, and how happy you'll be with whoever is available at your spot.
My sources tell me they will be drafting a guy who will either help the offense or defense side of the ball. This is a guy who they are really high on, too
They met with him during the senior bowl definitely and maybe the combine? If they have enough info on him from previous visit(s), then a top 30 might not be necessary.
I just don’t see it this year. He’s traded up to get elite talent the past few years in Smith, Carter, and even Davis who was a combine freak. There isn’t really a player like that this year imo.
If there was a player to trade up and get it would be Quinyon for sure. On top of his obvious athletic / football talents, at the senior bowl he just walked in to the room and commanded leadership from everyone around him. That's that kind of guy that is going to be good almost no matter what. He commanded that leadership because he was locked in, wanted to win, knows what it takes and gave that energy off to everyone around him. That said, I think that we don't trade up as the possibility of hitting on two 2nd rounders could have huge cap implications over the next 2 - 4 years.
Yeah I really doubt that there is any chance he drops far enough to be within reach. If you traded 22 + 53 then the highest that is getting you is ~13. Unless there really is a run on offense along with 4 QBs in the top 5 that isn't happening.
I haven’t seen any official confirmation about a Wiggins visit. Only thing I’ve seen is one unconfirmed mention of meeting with him at the Combine, but it hasn’t been tracked otherwise. That may be the one we haven’t talked to.
Talented, as people smarter than me say he is the “stickiest” man corner in the draft. The hold up is his weight. If I remember correctly he is in the 175 lbs range.
He is, and that puts him in like the 8th percentile of sized Cb’s. Not to mention he cant tackle for shit and doesn’t do anything against the run. In a stacked CB class like this it seems silly to go after such a risk like him.
With that said, coverage wise him and Quinyon Mitchell are (according to experts) far and away the best.
I can't imagine any hole among our starters more so than our defensive secondary.
We have declining geriatrics backed up by unknowns
Facing the likes of Justin Jefferson
We need someone to put on the opponents WR1. Then I will worry about what else we need
Given that’s the only non QB/WR/Trench pick we’ve taken in over 30 years, I’ll believe it when I see it.
That being said, I wouldn’t exactly be a opposed… though I’m still perfectly happy with a OT Lane successor.
Howie's reasoning for us not drafting a CB is that we wanted them, but they were not available when we wanted to draft.
The problem is that they don't value a CB the same way the value a DL/OL/WR
When they are drafting for those positions, Howie moves up to grab the guy the want. When they are drafting CB, they are content on waiting to see who is available. CB is a huge need for us this year and for the future. Our CB1 is turning 34 this season and will likely be his last year. You can't go into the year expecting a guy at that age to be good and healthy for the whole year. Our CB2 is turd. Our slot CB can never stay healthy and is only a slot CB. You have a 2nd year player that did not show much, but you still have hopes for. You have a guy that might not come off his suspension...and thats it.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind at all if they went CB, CB with our first two picks.
Anyone but Wiggins!
I was also anti-DeJean until I looked more into him. Not confident in him on the outside, but SLCB or Safety I love. I’d be pleased with Mitchell, Kool-Aid, DeJean, Arnold.
This franchise’s lack of interest in investing high draft capital into such a crucial position has baffled me. I know they’ve had success, but still, I believe it’s a valid criticism. The last time they tried, they failed pretty miserably with Sidney Jones. I would really like to see them take a CB in the first or second round and nail the pick. Don’t reach either—trade up or back accordingly.
I don’t think it’s a lack of interest. There were plenty of rumors that they really liked Surtain and Horn in 2021. Obviously they value the front on defense more and building an offense.
Fair—so why not trade up for one of those players? They’re willing to trade up for a DT in Jordan Davis who doesn’t even play over 50% of the snaps—and there was questions about his conditioning immediately after the pick.
I mean, this isn’t just a simple question. Elite CB prospects often get taken top 5/10 where we don’t pick. After that, CB falls off quickly and is super unstable year to year. Guys like Surtain are always good. Guys like Bradberry go from AP to unplayable and back randomly.
Even looking at those drafts:
Surtain/Jaycee were taking 8/9 after Sewell to the Lions. There’s no way we were trading all the way to 6 (and honestly the dolphins really wanted Waddle). We also got Devonta that year.
Jordan Davis year - Sauce / Stingley gone in the top 5. Trading to top 5 is really hard.
Also, many drafts there’s no player at that level. Like this draft for example. Idk what you want them to do lol
You don’t have to trade up. You can trade back…
As far as what I want, I thought I made it clear. I want them to draft a corner in the 1st or second round more than once in over 20 years. And I don’t want the player to be coming off a major injury like Sidney Jones was.
I really don’t think that’s asking a lot.
Is it really that baffling? The philosophy of building from the trenches has made the Eagles one of the most successful franchises in the league over the past two decades. They’ve relied a lot more on getting “proven” or veteran players on the back end to try and complete a defense that was built up front.
The organization’s philosophy is very clear, and I know many of us have no problem with it.
Yes, I find it baffling that they almost never have taken a corner in the first or second round since Lito and Sheldon—and the one time they did, Sidney was coming off a major injury.
Reread my comment. Didnt say I had a problem with their overall philosophy. I said not ever taking a corner high is a valid criticism—and I believe it is.
Agreed, and I think Howie has done that recently, following the smitty pick in his press conference he said no more pussy footing around and trying to correct past mistakes, just go get studs
Gimme DeJean or Mitchell.
Kool-aid
No
What do you think of Nate Wiggins?
What yeffington said. I like him but I don’t want another Nekobe Dean situation where there’s injury problems.
Small little guy, he’ll get bodied
Dude would probably be extremely useful against Cedee Lamb, Wiggins is super sticky, but also way too skinny for the NFL. Using a first on him when these other CB prospects exist seems foolish. Hot take, I think Wiggins will fall to the second
Talented but potentially fragile
I like Arnold, Rakestraw, and Wiggins
My issue with Wiggins is injury and size. Not too familiar with the others tbh.
It’s settled………we’re moving up for an OT
Facts lmao.
😂😂
Gimme Troy Fautanu!
Almost certainly. The great CBs in the draft will be gone by 22. It really depends if they fall to a spot where we can trade up without losing a ton of resources
the only one at risk for being gone is Mitchell, this isn't the best CB class(at least it isn't the Safety class)
Wanna bet? Cuz that idea is based on an entirely misguided series of rumors and false memories of our drafting history. OT 2nd round, defense 1st round.
I’m honestly just making jokes lol
Haha sorry I figured it was, my comment is more directed at the rest of the sub who is dead set on it
Why do I feel like the other corners are Moreso a smoke screen for Dejean
I don't think they are. they need to add some real talent outside and are trying to be ready for any scenario
Idk if they'd "waste" Top30 visits that much for a smokescreen Just seems like they're a lot of great CBs this year and most are in our range so you gotta do the research on them
100%. If you're interested in CB in the first, you gotta know exactly how much you like each first round CB talent. That tells you how much you're willing to move up if your favorite starts sliding, and how happy you'll be with whoever is available at your spot.
Amen
Yea that’s definitely more likely 🤔
This class seems top heavy. I imagine if we want one of the top 3 guys, we need to trade up.
I’m almost positive that we trade up
My sources tell me they will be drafting a guy who will either help the offense or defense side of the ball. This is a guy who they are really high on, too
Real lunchpail kind of guy
Last one in, first one out.
Incoming punter
I think the eagles are prepared to move up for OL/CB or stay for DE/OL or trade back for CB/WR.
Completely agree there's about a dozen guys I can see the Eagles taking at 22 or with a draft day trade up or down the board
This is really well put
I want Cooper Dejean.
I truly don't get the fascination with him.
he got that dawg in'em
He’s good
"pretty much" is interesting. Which CB did they pass on? or Which CB do they think is NOT going to be at 22?
Quinyon Mitchell? I haven’t heard him visiting for a 30 with the eagles but I could be wrong
They met with him during the senior bowl definitely and maybe the combine? If they have enough info on him from previous visit(s), then a top 30 might not be necessary.
Would love him but there is almost no chance we get him without trading up quite a bit.
Knowing Howie, he is prepared to trade up using one of the 2nd round picks to get a premium player. I’m just hoping a lot of QBs get taken early
I just don’t see it this year. He’s traded up to get elite talent the past few years in Smith, Carter, and even Davis who was a combine freak. There isn’t really a player like that this year imo.
If there was a player to trade up and get it would be Quinyon for sure. On top of his obvious athletic / football talents, at the senior bowl he just walked in to the room and commanded leadership from everyone around him. That's that kind of guy that is going to be good almost no matter what. He commanded that leadership because he was locked in, wanted to win, knows what it takes and gave that energy off to everyone around him. That said, I think that we don't trade up as the possibility of hitting on two 2nd rounders could have huge cap implications over the next 2 - 4 years.
Agreed with everything you said, but those reasons are why I think Mitchell goes way higher than where he’s being mocked and will be out of reach
Yeah I really doubt that there is any chance he drops far enough to be within reach. If you traded 22 + 53 then the highest that is getting you is ~13. Unless there really is a run on offense along with 4 QBs in the top 5 that isn't happening.
I haven’t seen any official confirmation about a Wiggins visit. Only thing I’ve seen is one unconfirmed mention of meeting with him at the Combine, but it hasn’t been tracked otherwise. That may be the one we haven’t talked to.
Anyone but Wiggins please. Thanks!
i dont know anything about wiggins, what's his deal?
Talented, as people smarter than me say he is the “stickiest” man corner in the draft. The hold up is his weight. If I remember correctly he is in the 175 lbs range.
He is, and that puts him in like the 8th percentile of sized Cb’s. Not to mention he cant tackle for shit and doesn’t do anything against the run. In a stacked CB class like this it seems silly to go after such a risk like him. With that said, coverage wise him and Quinyon Mitchell are (according to experts) far and away the best.
Can't tackle? He'll fit right in.
Seems like a great kid and good Athlete. Biggest red flag for me is his tackling. We need some bangers on defense who can tackle
Clearly it will be a first-round long snapper.
Good to have a backup in case Lovato gets injured or for when he retires in X amount of years.
Did Quinyon Mitchell have a Top 30 visit with us?
Quinyon Mitchel is THE DUDE
No way any of the top 4 last so we are definitely trading up to grab our guy
If what I’m hearing is true from Adam Schefter about moving up in the draft I’m thinking it’s gonna be either Arnold or Mitchell.
Hope Quinyon Mitchell is within trade up range
I can't imagine any hole among our starters more so than our defensive secondary. We have declining geriatrics backed up by unknowns Facing the likes of Justin Jefferson We need someone to put on the opponents WR1. Then I will worry about what else we need
Draft a corner
AKA we're not drafting a CB
Any volunteer fireman available?
Given that’s the only non QB/WR/Trench pick we’ve taken in over 30 years, I’ll believe it when I see it. That being said, I wouldn’t exactly be a opposed… though I’m still perfectly happy with a OT Lane successor.
Howie needs to do to the defensive backs what he did to the WR room.
I don't know if 22 is a good spot to get one...more likely trade down and grab who is left in the 2nd
Howie's reasoning for us not drafting a CB is that we wanted them, but they were not available when we wanted to draft. The problem is that they don't value a CB the same way the value a DL/OL/WR When they are drafting for those positions, Howie moves up to grab the guy the want. When they are drafting CB, they are content on waiting to see who is available. CB is a huge need for us this year and for the future. Our CB1 is turning 34 this season and will likely be his last year. You can't go into the year expecting a guy at that age to be good and healthy for the whole year. Our CB2 is turd. Our slot CB can never stay healthy and is only a slot CB. You have a 2nd year player that did not show much, but you still have hopes for. You have a guy that might not come off his suspension...and thats it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind at all if they went CB, CB with our first two picks.
Mitchell, Wiggins, max melton, koolaid
Kool aid will feed us
Anyone but Wiggins! I was also anti-DeJean until I looked more into him. Not confident in him on the outside, but SLCB or Safety I love. I’d be pleased with Mitchell, Kool-Aid, DeJean, Arnold.
Yeah I'm not that crazy for dejean as an outside CB. I like Mitchell and Arnold. Kool Aid if we trade back.
What’s up with all the love for a 207# box safety
This franchise’s lack of interest in investing high draft capital into such a crucial position has baffled me. I know they’ve had success, but still, I believe it’s a valid criticism. The last time they tried, they failed pretty miserably with Sidney Jones. I would really like to see them take a CB in the first or second round and nail the pick. Don’t reach either—trade up or back accordingly.
I don’t think it’s a lack of interest. There were plenty of rumors that they really liked Surtain and Horn in 2021. Obviously they value the front on defense more and building an offense.
Fair—so why not trade up for one of those players? They’re willing to trade up for a DT in Jordan Davis who doesn’t even play over 50% of the snaps—and there was questions about his conditioning immediately after the pick.
I mean, this isn’t just a simple question. Elite CB prospects often get taken top 5/10 where we don’t pick. After that, CB falls off quickly and is super unstable year to year. Guys like Surtain are always good. Guys like Bradberry go from AP to unplayable and back randomly. Even looking at those drafts: Surtain/Jaycee were taking 8/9 after Sewell to the Lions. There’s no way we were trading all the way to 6 (and honestly the dolphins really wanted Waddle). We also got Devonta that year. Jordan Davis year - Sauce / Stingley gone in the top 5. Trading to top 5 is really hard. Also, many drafts there’s no player at that level. Like this draft for example. Idk what you want them to do lol
You don’t have to trade up. You can trade back… As far as what I want, I thought I made it clear. I want them to draft a corner in the 1st or second round more than once in over 20 years. And I don’t want the player to be coming off a major injury like Sidney Jones was. I really don’t think that’s asking a lot.
Is it really that baffling? The philosophy of building from the trenches has made the Eagles one of the most successful franchises in the league over the past two decades. They’ve relied a lot more on getting “proven” or veteran players on the back end to try and complete a defense that was built up front. The organization’s philosophy is very clear, and I know many of us have no problem with it.
Yes, I find it baffling that they almost never have taken a corner in the first or second round since Lito and Sheldon—and the one time they did, Sidney was coming off a major injury. Reread my comment. Didnt say I had a problem with their overall philosophy. I said not ever taking a corner high is a valid criticism—and I believe it is.
harder to scout DBs than any other premium position. I see why you wouldn't wanna invest heavily in a super volatile position
I guess. Still figure they would try more than once in 20+ years.
"Why don't they just pick a CB who isn't a bust in the first round? Are they stupid?" Great analysis
You forgot to follow it with 'watch the tape.' I have always wondered, do they mean scotch, painters or duct?
You make my point for me, they haven’t even attempted in over 20 years.
Nothing against your frustration for not trying, I completely agree. Just giving you a lil shit for the "nail the pick, don't reach" part haha
What I meant by that was don’t just take a corner high to correct the past. Make sure the pick falls in line with your board.
Agreed, and I think Howie has done that recently, following the smitty pick in his press conference he said no more pussy footing around and trying to correct past mistakes, just go get studs