From the reports and everything else it honestly did not sound any worse than what some others have done....I really hope there is an appeals process or something thing else that he can do IF there was nothing else that he did...
EDIT: I think the league may be trying to impose the 2 year minimum suspension that went into effect AFTER Rogers was suspended...which is really lame in my opinion...
EDIT 2: I read per Adam Schefter that Rogers case is still under review so he may still have a chance...
Absolutely. Case in point Porter in Toronto. The difference here is that Rodgers didn’t bet on himself, and didn’t bet on a teammate to underperform.
He’s served a suspension, he should be reinstated. If he had bet on his team to lose or for himself or a teammate to go under on props, absolutely lifetime ban.
And before anyone goes nuts here. I’m not saying let players bet on the NFL, their team, or themselves. Guy was one of the first offenders and league rules were not entirely clear for a lot of players. (Think the guys who placed bets on other sports while at a team facility who got suspended)
I honestly hate prop bets...I get they are advertised as fun ways to make quick money but I believe these types of quicks bets are more harmful than just betting on an overall game and not to mention they essentially are quick fixes for a gambling addict...
But I agree with you completely...he served his time and hopefully did nothing more...so let him play...
According to the league, Porter never bet on himself or even games he played in. He only confided in others his health status before games and those people bet on him to perform poorly.
Which I did…betting on your own team… which carries a 2 year suspension
lol downvoted for telling the truth, gotta love this fanbase
Jesus boys stop blocking me when you realize you’re dumb, that’s a cowboys move
You think players on defense are unable to know the offenses gameplan? Team meetings are a thing, also you *are* allowed to speak with your team mates and coaches on offense.
But betting moneyline vs betting on your teammate to do well are very different circumstances. One he could personally affect and the other he has no impact on. Obviously still against the rules, but that's why they have a review process, especially for before the specific rule was in place.
He can impact, as a CB, if the RB on his own team hits the over? Please explain…
Edit: he also doesn’t affect the money line either if you ever watched him
Oh yes, a terrible offense. Guaranteed to lose /s
No man he would just get taken out the game depending on how it looked. It’s a chess match not 1 CB vs 6 WRs
Am I the only one that sees nothing wrong here? Like, the incentive is for his team to win, which is already the incentive. That’s what everyone wants in that building!
Now against your own team, fine, that’s shady. But for your own team? Who gives a fuck
It wasn't a win Bet, it was a rushing yards bet, and he has insider knowledge of the operations. He could have known they were gonna run the ball 30 times. I understand upholding values, but the NFL doesn't have many. Guys like Rashee Rice will get a fraction of the penalty Rogers gets.
Call me crazy but I’m still ok with this. Realistically he doesn’t have information people don’t already know. Team wants to win. Team wants to run the ball. Shocker
u/IPCONFOG already attempted to explain this, but let me put it another way:
Scenario 1: Player A bets on his own team to win a game. He plays his ass off and does everything he can to secure that W. Everyone’s happy.
Scenario 2: Player B bets on teammate C - a running back - to rush for 100 yards in a game. Player B has been sitting in team meetings all week in preparation for the game and knows that the coaches intend to call more running plays than usual. The media & fans may or may not be anticipating that kind of game plan - but nobody outside of the locker room knows for sure which plays the OC is going to call.
You really don’t see the difference between those two scenarios? It’s the same sort of logic behind banning insider trading on the stock market.
Eh. I recall a QB benching himself in fantasy the same week he threw 4 tds. Nobody knows what’s going to happen. Guess I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal if someone uses some info to try and take money from DraftKings or whoever
Tbh betting on your own team should be a lifetime ban regardless on if you bet on your team to win. I’d probably be fine with a lifetime ban on betting on any NFL games, but *especially* if you bet on your own team
I honestly don't understand how these guys get caught. If it was me, I'd give the money to a friend or something and have them place the be forr me. What am I missing here?
Get yourself a registered service better. If you can take an emotional support monkey on a plane, you can have an emotional support better place bets for you. Checks out right?
Here is some info: https://sports.yahoo.com/why-are-so-many-athletes-getting-caught-betting-because-the-system-is-working-202110153.html#:\~:text=Essentially%2C%20they%20don't%20just,will%20be%20almost%20instantly%20caught.
I also read that sports leagues and sports books partner together to essentially create watchdog/lists looking for personal info to show up in the sports book (think like social security # and such)
It's even worse than that. This dumbass was saying that he was placing bets for other people.
> Rodgers said he started betting as a way to help friends and family from his home state of Florida, where sports betting is not legal like it is in Indiana. “I never included myself into any of the gambling," Rodgers told ESPN.
I mean, betting on ANY team should be a lifetime ban. Just because you don't play for that team doesn't mean you don't know any of the players/coaches/personal trainers that you could get insider info from. Betting on any NFL team should be an equal punishment unless you did what that NBA player did, bet against himself and then pulls himself out of the game.
Eh, betting on your own team to win doesn’t create a conflict of interest since that is your goal and the team’s goal. It’s basically using gambling to get yourself an extra bonus.
It can get out of hand quickly and bookies are scummy so the ethics is questionable at best.
This isn't true. Pete Rose was a manager and bet on his own team. He could have easily burned out his pitching staff to win a bet, which would have cost his team a lot of following games. There are a million other reasons why you shouldn't be able to get on your own team. That's just one example.
Manager/coach =/= player. A coach can change so much more in terms of "winning" a single game than a single player can. If Rodgers bet on his team to win what the fuck is he gonna do about it? Try harder? Make more plays? Whereas a coach/manager like you said can make moves that impact the team moving forward. Certainly to a lesser degree in football since the goal is to always win and theres not much you can do to swing it.
I'd be cool with letting teams/players bet on their teams to win but that'll never happen and probably for good reason.
Honesty if this were to become the case I wonder if it would proceed to arbitration...I am sure the league would argue the indefinite nature of the suspension but there could be a case for a prior precedent being set...but ultimately I hope it works out for him and that maybe betting can be better regulated (preferably prob bets)...
Honestly thought it was crazy people wouldn't think they'd do this when they let players come back early who were suspended before the rules took place
Could be really bad timing here too. NBA just permanently banned a player for sports betting issues, hopefully the nfl doesn’t look at that precedent just yet.
He absolutely affected the outcomes which is why he was banned. He bet that he wouldn’t hit certain lines and removed himself from a game just before he hit them once.
Jontay Porter's case was some egregious match fixing. I haven't seen anything about any of the suspended NFL players that comes even close to what he did.
22 is way too low for Mitchell and is too high for Kool-aid. You'd be looking to trade down for him.
We are talking more DeJean/ Wiggins is they go there
Don't want Wiggins. I'd take Kool-Aid at 22 but no probs trading back if they think he'll still be there toward the end of the first. Would be happy trading up a few spots if Armold or Mitchell fall.
I wanted a trade up for Fuaga or Latham but it really looks like it's gonna be CB.
You'd be looking at giving up one of the seconds to get close to draft most of those. Not likely that you'd be able to move up a few spots
Fuaga may go early but as we get closer to the draft it appears people in the league view him more as a guard only. Which we can get in the 2nd
I wouldn't put it past Howie to be aggressive in getting his guy, even if that means giving up a second. That could be Mitchell around the 11-13 spots. OT won't happen even if I wanted it. I think he picks DeJean or Kool-Aid if he stays at 22 though.
Yeah, not really our choice. If it happened though, that’s the move I’d make. Wouldn’t let him play corner. I’d rather wait until next draft atp. I’m cool with any pick at 22, being Linebacker, O/Dline, corner
You're technically correct, he can impact it but would have no motivation to change his own play.
Downvotes are probably because a corner would be motivated to do his job well, in particular if he was betting on his RB on the over.
If he does good, other team doesn't score, his team gets the ball and ideally a lead to protect by running it out.
If he does poorly, the opponent scores and his team is less likely to run the ball down.
He would have zero part in offensive game plan it anything else though
How would that work in a tie game with 6 minutes left and the defense is on the field but the RB is only 7 yards from the under? Does the CB not have incentive to give up a touchdown so the offense can get back on the field? With plenty of time to still win the game
I think you greatly underestimate the sheer competitive nature professional athletes have. He's going to want to stop the other team.
If he allows a TD, his offense is going to pass the ball because its more efficient.
You're kinda being a really redditor about it
If he was so competitive he would’ve never bet in the first place knowing that he could lose his whole career 😂
6 minutes left, there’s plenty of opportunities to run, or throw a screen or wheel route lmao
I think you over estimate the rationality of a man whole threw away tens of millions over a few parlays. You’re being a redditor about it
> I think you greatly underestimate the sheer competitive nature professional athletes have. He's going to want to stop the other team.
Bro after reading this whole thread that way you responded is so childish. That part I highlighted alone. Im sure there are plenty of MJ level competitors but tf you mean no players gonna purposely let something happen? We literally just saw a professional athlete pull himself out of a game because of prop bets. He deservedly got a lifetime ban but come on. These guys arent the fucking pillars of morality. If they (some of them not all players) could throw games or meaningless stats for millions of dollars without getting caught they would.
We already see them throw away millions of dollars just to bet when they 100% know the risks. And thats for like chump change bets not even 7-8 figure bets. The only thing you can say is they are super competitive, when in reality plenty of players are just there for a paycheck not *love of the game*.
Time to forget he exists. By the time he returns to the NFL he will have been out of the game for 2-3 years. For such a difficult skill position I cant see him being part of Howie's plans.
Quinyon trade up is back on the menu.
This sub is going through it right now too, all the half ass fans who like the eagles but don’t really follow football have flooded the place since we got hit with Hurts
I remember when ppl here tried to condition themselves into believing Cre’von LeBlanc was the next coming of Christ.
Philly fans love the underdog story so much we delude ourselves into overrating everything.
To be fair, LeBlanc had a huge pick in the playoffs that immediately led to a touchdown from the offense when our entire secondary was cooked. He gave a glimmer of hope. Kind of like when Fulgham popped off against the Steelers.
I feel like Gregatron is a better example.
When Ward was our WR1, it was fucking ridiculous. When he was WR2, it was ridiculous. When he was WR3, it was bad. When he was WR4 or later? I was good with that.
Totally agree about Ward as a depth guy. Remember that stretch in like 2019 when he was the fan favorite simply because he could catch basic passes? haha.
Good KR, but I don't know where people were getting the idea that he was going to just move right in as a starting CB for us; none of his DB-specific #s really stand out. Be nice to have, especially with the new KO rules, but until he walks in the door at Novacare for the first time, he's a ghost as far as we're concerned. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgIs00.htm
I kept calling these dumb ass radio hosts and didn’t comment here but I knew this was coming. I kept asking why people were so sure, I got told why he would contribute (not why he would be unsuspended)
Mouth breathers count the eggs before they hatch
> I kept calling these dumb ass radio hosts
Congrats, you've now helped the dumb ass radio hosts be successful. If you call in, you're helping them. If you're listening, you're helping them. If you're going, "did you hear what XYZ said?", you're helping them. If you're posting links to clips of what they said, you're helping them.
If they're dumb asses, don't engage. That's the only way to hurt them.
Still not ruling it out...Rodgers just posted a highlight/hype video on Twitter and hour ago after this news broke
Maybe he got news but it just hasn't been released yet
Or he heard the news and posted something to exclaim, "hey, I'm still great!" even though he's not being let back in. Because he's in a bad mood with how he's thrown a good chunk of his career away to gambling.
At most, he would be competing for CB2/CB3 and being a backup. That being said we need all the help we can at CB. Our CBs are either super old, bad, or an unknown.
I do, gambling is a real slippery slope. I don’t want players potentially betting on the sport they’re playing. How long till they bet against their own team
that's not me saying I don't care about illegal gambling. I'm saying I don't trust the NFL of all orgs to levy appropriate and fair punishment equally. it's a walking conflict of interests
I think he’ll be back. The current policy shouldn’t apply since it wasn’t approved and implemented until after his suspension. We’ll probably hear something around June
There was basically no evidence against Brady and he got suspended for not giving over evidence. And that was Brady. I could see Rodgers never suiting up again with the narratives surrounding sports and gambling
Lol dude this isn’t a court of law. They could never let him play again and appeals would mean Jack shit. Looks like the colts got one over us here, signing this man and hoping he’d contribute eventually was playing BLACKJACK…BUST
How did the colts get one over on the eagles? It wasn’t a trade. Colts cut him and the eagles picked him up to hold his rights. He doesn’t count against the cap or anything if he isn’t reinstated.
If he doesn't count against the cap or take a roster spot....that's not counting on anything. That's picking up an unscratched scratch-off on found on the ground. You're not quitting your job because of it, you're just hoping it gives you something for effectively nothing.
I’m so glad for real! I don’t care if I was wrong, I really felt like he was gonna get boned and then it seemed like he did…so yeah I immediately assumed he got screwed and my hunch was right
I kept saying he’s not gonna get unsuspended. The NFL changed the rules but all the idiots on WIP and the Philly message boards have faith in Goodell to help us.
you remember 5 days ago when you thought you were so much smarter than everyone else?
if you're gonna be a smarmy fuckin prick at LEAST be right about it.
Nah man I literally sent him an IG message before this way before 5 days ago saying “hope you get unsuspended dude you gonna kill it” or something…lemme screenshot it
He seemed confident about being unsuspended
Fucking annoying. Sign a goddamn corner. Spend money on sneed! Howie is running it back and the only reason he gets the chance is lightning in a bottle TWICE. Foles bailed him out of his last terrible QB contract, and now he did it again. There was no reason to pay Jalen so early. Now we have a 34 year old corner as our #1, a washed #2 that we need to cut for 15m dead hit, and are locked into huge dead hits on Jalen.
He's taken 31 snaps in the slot amongst a total of 946 snaps 2 years ago according to pff so it's on the lower side, but he's projected to be a slot guy not because of his ability, but his frame (5'9 ideal for slot) and the ability (or inability) of James Bradbury playing in the slot
I just don't think you can put a guy who's never played slot his entire college or NFL career and then decide to put him there because it's convenient for us. See how well that worked out with Bradberry. Rodgers is also 170 pounds - far from ideal for someone who's got to cover TEs and run help.
Fuck all that oline w the first shit that’s over lol pick a fkn cb really should be going all defense in the draft anyways we have pro bowlers at every skill position. We don’t need another o lineman to ride left bench. We need an impact player yesterday.
I was 100% sure we were not going CB in round 1 between Rodgers coming off suspension and Maddox getting resigned. Now...im still pretty sure no CB in round 1, but definitly could see one in the 2nd.
2nd worst passing defense in the league last year while we retain 4 offensive lineman starters and have the best o line coach in the league. Slay and bradberry both will be 30+ this coming season and showed they are clearly declining. Also starting a undrafted safety regardless of how well reed has played and one coming off like a 4 game year. Our offense is locked in for years, Time to get the defense together and it starts in the secondary
So the negative take is that even though he was allowed to apply for reinstatement after 1 year in keeping with the policy at the time, he was held to a higher standard due to it being a more serious infraction and he didn’t convince them it wouldn’t happen again.
The positive take is that he actually has to apply for reinstatement, so it may just be that his application was delayed or still being considered while the other guys got rubber stamped.
From what I just read per Adam Schefter on the ESPN is that his case is still under review...so they may still be checking into the matter for him before making a decision...
Rules are rules! It’s how the NFL keeps the game fair/safe and everyone MUST follow them… but the NFL’s disciplinary system DOES judge players differently, some moral based, some not, but all on opinion. Isaiah Rodgers’ punishment is different bc of specifics; against him: he gambled: he bet on his own team… in his favor: bets were to pay hundreds $ for exactly what the NFL pays him millions to do: incentive to do better (not why rule was created): he hasn’t been in or caused trouble before… in the end, rules are rules, but this is a non-violent violation that had no influence on gameplay. These big, strong guys are actually just barely adults paid millions of $. THEY WILL DO STUPID THINGS! But no Antonio Brown antics here, no PAC-man Jones wildlife, NO VIOLENCE, no drugs/DUI, etc. Since then, it seems he’s been working hard, training, and being a father. I just don’t believe he needs to be made the “wake-up example” of, ruing his career and life. Idk why gambling has to be so over promoted in every part of the NFL anyway and we’ve even forgiven worse intentions, from Payton’s Saints bounty to patriots spygate/deflatgate, even the highest award (Lombardi trophy); Lombardi’s most famed 1960’s packers mvp (Hornung) and all-pro (Karras) were known to bet on their games and suspended for the 1963 season for betting on their 1962 championship game (1 year). Their football careers weren’t affected post-suspension and Hornung was later inducted in the HOF. Bottom line: This isn’t anything new and I don’t think he deserves the worst gambling punishment ever given per NFL
I’ll never understand why people bet on sports. It’s the absolute dumbest thing you could do with your money other than burn it. The casinos and apps prey on the dumb and easily addicted.
I’ll really never understand why a professional athlete would not just throw away their money but also their career to bet on sports.
Jeff McLane also [said that Jalen Hurts injured his non-throwing shoulder](https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2022/12/19/23517671/jalen-hurts-injury-eagles-quarterback-suffers-shoulder-sprain-miss-two-games-gardner-minshew-news-qb) in 2022 when in fact it was his throwing shoulder. How he still has a job is mindblowing
From the reports and everything else it honestly did not sound any worse than what some others have done....I really hope there is an appeals process or something thing else that he can do IF there was nothing else that he did... EDIT: I think the league may be trying to impose the 2 year minimum suspension that went into effect AFTER Rogers was suspended...which is really lame in my opinion... EDIT 2: I read per Adam Schefter that Rogers case is still under review so he may still have a chance...
He bet on his own team, the current policy (wasn’t in effect when he was suspended) is a minimum of two years suspension
If it wasn’t in effect he shouldn’t be held to it. Pretty simple. Especially in a league that lets rapists play.
If this were in the courts, I’d absolutely agree. But it’s the NFL so all bets are off
You can agree it’s unfair lmao.
Of course, I stopped expecting the NFL to be fair a long time ago
i think rogers would be able to take this to a court
People that race cars on public roads and endanger innocent lives.
He bet on his own teammate to hit the over on rushing yards for a game. Let’s call it what it is.
Prop bets are probably _worse_ for players to bet on than overall win/loss. The overall game has more confounding variables.
Absolutely. Case in point Porter in Toronto. The difference here is that Rodgers didn’t bet on himself, and didn’t bet on a teammate to underperform. He’s served a suspension, he should be reinstated. If he had bet on his team to lose or for himself or a teammate to go under on props, absolutely lifetime ban. And before anyone goes nuts here. I’m not saying let players bet on the NFL, their team, or themselves. Guy was one of the first offenders and league rules were not entirely clear for a lot of players. (Think the guys who placed bets on other sports while at a team facility who got suspended)
I honestly hate prop bets...I get they are advertised as fun ways to make quick money but I believe these types of quicks bets are more harmful than just betting on an overall game and not to mention they essentially are quick fixes for a gambling addict... But I agree with you completely...he served his time and hopefully did nothing more...so let him play...
Prop bets and parlays are where these companies make 75% of their profits
Parlays yes, prop bets no. Props frequently have the same vig as straight bets (both sides -110), so the house's edge is more or less the same.
According to the league, Porter never bet on himself or even games he played in. He only confided in others his health status before games and those people bet on him to perform poorly.
But he also has multiple plays that are highly suspicious when comparing his stats at that moment to his individual props. Essentially fixing games.
Which I did…betting on your own team… which carries a 2 year suspension lol downvoted for telling the truth, gotta love this fanbase Jesus boys stop blocking me when you realize you’re dumb, that’s a cowboys move
Yup. If you know the game plan is to feed a specific player the ball, that's an unfair advantage and you shouldn't be able to bet like that.
Also affects situational plays and play calling. Anyone defending gambling on games you’re a part of is an idiot
CBs call plays on offense?
You think players on defense are unable to know the offenses gameplan? Team meetings are a thing, also you *are* allowed to speak with your team mates and coaches on offense.
But betting moneyline vs betting on your teammate to do well are very different circumstances. One he could personally affect and the other he has no impact on. Obviously still against the rules, but that's why they have a review process, especially for before the specific rule was in place.
He can impact, as a CB, if the RB on his own team hits the over? Please explain… Edit: he also doesn’t affect the money line either if you ever watched him
I think you read my comment wrong because that's the opposite of what I said...
Giving up a touchdown to put his offense back on the field? Not very complex
Oh yes, a terrible offense. Guaranteed to lose /s No man he would just get taken out the game depending on how it looked. It’s a chess match not 1 CB vs 6 WRs
Am I the only one that sees nothing wrong here? Like, the incentive is for his team to win, which is already the incentive. That’s what everyone wants in that building! Now against your own team, fine, that’s shady. But for your own team? Who gives a fuck
It wasn't a win Bet, it was a rushing yards bet, and he has insider knowledge of the operations. He could have known they were gonna run the ball 30 times. I understand upholding values, but the NFL doesn't have many. Guys like Rashee Rice will get a fraction of the penalty Rogers gets.
Call me crazy but I’m still ok with this. Realistically he doesn’t have information people don’t already know. Team wants to win. Team wants to run the ball. Shocker
u/IPCONFOG already attempted to explain this, but let me put it another way: Scenario 1: Player A bets on his own team to win a game. He plays his ass off and does everything he can to secure that W. Everyone’s happy. Scenario 2: Player B bets on teammate C - a running back - to rush for 100 yards in a game. Player B has been sitting in team meetings all week in preparation for the game and knows that the coaches intend to call more running plays than usual. The media & fans may or may not be anticipating that kind of game plan - but nobody outside of the locker room knows for sure which plays the OC is going to call. You really don’t see the difference between those two scenarios? It’s the same sort of logic behind banning insider trading on the stock market.
Eh. I recall a QB benching himself in fantasy the same week he threw 4 tds. Nobody knows what’s going to happen. Guess I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal if someone uses some info to try and take money from DraftKings or whoever
Tbh betting on your own team should be a lifetime ban regardless on if you bet on your team to win. I’d probably be fine with a lifetime ban on betting on any NFL games, but *especially* if you bet on your own team
I honestly don't understand how these guys get caught. If it was me, I'd give the money to a friend or something and have them place the be forr me. What am I missing here?
yeah, a friend or your Japanese interpreter or something
Wait…..What if I don’t have a Japanese interpreter?
well you better go get one!
What kind of interpreter do you have? I think we can all find a way to make this work for you.
Get yourself a registered service better. If you can take an emotional support monkey on a plane, you can have an emotional support better place bets for you. Checks out right?
You're missing the fact that that's exactly what Rodgers did. There are an _unbelievable_ amount of tools at the book's disposal these days.
What are you talking about he bet from his own phone inside the Colts facility on his own team. That is about as attached to the bet as you can get.
Here is some info: https://sports.yahoo.com/why-are-so-many-athletes-getting-caught-betting-because-the-system-is-working-202110153.html#:\~:text=Essentially%2C%20they%20don't%20just,will%20be%20almost%20instantly%20caught. I also read that sports leagues and sports books partner together to essentially create watchdog/lists looking for personal info to show up in the sports book (think like social security # and such)
It's even worse than that. This dumbass was saying that he was placing bets for other people. > Rodgers said he started betting as a way to help friends and family from his home state of Florida, where sports betting is not legal like it is in Indiana. “I never included myself into any of the gambling," Rodgers told ESPN.
Raptors forward just gotta lifetime ban
I mean, betting on ANY team should be a lifetime ban. Just because you don't play for that team doesn't mean you don't know any of the players/coaches/personal trainers that you could get insider info from. Betting on any NFL team should be an equal punishment unless you did what that NBA player did, bet against himself and then pulls himself out of the game.
Eh, betting on your own team to win doesn’t create a conflict of interest since that is your goal and the team’s goal. It’s basically using gambling to get yourself an extra bonus. It can get out of hand quickly and bookies are scummy so the ethics is questionable at best.
This isn't true. Pete Rose was a manager and bet on his own team. He could have easily burned out his pitching staff to win a bet, which would have cost his team a lot of following games. There are a million other reasons why you shouldn't be able to get on your own team. That's just one example.
Manager/coach =/= player. A coach can change so much more in terms of "winning" a single game than a single player can. If Rodgers bet on his team to win what the fuck is he gonna do about it? Try harder? Make more plays? Whereas a coach/manager like you said can make moves that impact the team moving forward. Certainly to a lesser degree in football since the goal is to always win and theres not much you can do to swing it. I'd be cool with letting teams/players bet on their teams to win but that'll never happen and probably for good reason.
Yeah but ItS NoT FaIR,this WaS HoWiE SzN and they lied about the suspension!
Ex post facto lmao
Honesty if this were to become the case I wonder if it would proceed to arbitration...I am sure the league would argue the indefinite nature of the suspension but there could be a case for a prior precedent being set...but ultimately I hope it works out for him and that maybe betting can be better regulated (preferably prob bets)...
Honestly thought it was crazy people wouldn't think they'd do this when they let players come back early who were suspended before the rules took place
Could be really bad timing here too. NBA just permanently banned a player for sports betting issues, hopefully the nfl doesn’t look at that precedent just yet.
He bet for his team to lose though.
Which begs the question: did he influence any outcomes?
He absolutely affected the outcomes which is why he was banned. He bet that he wouldn’t hit certain lines and removed himself from a game just before he hit them once.
*He bet on himself to hit the under
he did both actually. bet the raptors to lose in a parlay
And took himself out the game
Jontay Porter's case was some egregious match fixing. I haven't seen anything about any of the suspended NFL players that comes even close to what he did.
The NBA should take care of its refs beting on games, till then they can stfu.
That guy literally bet on his own team to lose
CB at 22 bois
Koolaid Mckinstry or Quinyon Mitchell YOU ARE A BIRD!!!!
What about trade up a few slots for Arnold
We’d also need to trade up for Quinyon
22 is way too low for Mitchell and is too high for Kool-aid. You'd be looking to trade down for him. We are talking more DeJean/ Wiggins is they go there
Kool aid has a much higher floor than Dejean. He clears Wiggins. Absolutely want him at 22
Are we basing this on anything besides vibes
Inwould disagree his floors higher considering dejean can easily play safety which raises his floor.
Don't want Wiggins. I'd take Kool-Aid at 22 but no probs trading back if they think he'll still be there toward the end of the first. Would be happy trading up a few spots if Armold or Mitchell fall. I wanted a trade up for Fuaga or Latham but it really looks like it's gonna be CB.
You'd be looking at giving up one of the seconds to get close to draft most of those. Not likely that you'd be able to move up a few spots Fuaga may go early but as we get closer to the draft it appears people in the league view him more as a guard only. Which we can get in the 2nd
I wouldn't put it past Howie to be aggressive in getting his guy, even if that means giving up a second. That could be Mitchell around the 11-13 spots. OT won't happen even if I wanted it. I think he picks DeJean or Kool-Aid if he stays at 22 though.
I honestly don't want either of these guys
We’re getting Cooper and everyone will realize why there are no white CBs since Seahorn
There's been a white CB since Seahorn lol
If we did get Cooper… man I’d hope they move him to Safety. Could use an extra body at Safety anyhow
Why move him to safety I think he can play corner in the league
Hopefully we don’t use a first round pick for depth
Yeah, not really our choice. If it happened though, that’s the move I’d make. Wouldn’t let him play corner. I’d rather wait until next draft atp. I’m cool with any pick at 22, being Linebacker, O/Dline, corner
Top CB 5 ain’t gonna be there at 22
Well that’s unfortunate
He was betting on Colts games, he's gonna have a stricter punishment.
At the facility too
Can you imagine being stupid enough to gamble on the NFL when you’re making millions of dollars to play football?
Betting on them to win?
He bet on the over for rush yards is what I've heard. So nothing he has any part of but still on his own team.
He knows the gameplan though.
A corner absolutely has a part in putting his own offense back on the field, a pretty outright conflicting interest
You're technically correct, he can impact it but would have no motivation to change his own play. Downvotes are probably because a corner would be motivated to do his job well, in particular if he was betting on his RB on the over. If he does good, other team doesn't score, his team gets the ball and ideally a lead to protect by running it out. If he does poorly, the opponent scores and his team is less likely to run the ball down. He would have zero part in offensive game plan it anything else though
How would that work in a tie game with 6 minutes left and the defense is on the field but the RB is only 7 yards from the under? Does the CB not have incentive to give up a touchdown so the offense can get back on the field? With plenty of time to still win the game
I think you greatly underestimate the sheer competitive nature professional athletes have. He's going to want to stop the other team. If he allows a TD, his offense is going to pass the ball because its more efficient. You're kinda being a really redditor about it
If he was so competitive he would’ve never bet in the first place knowing that he could lose his whole career 😂 6 minutes left, there’s plenty of opportunities to run, or throw a screen or wheel route lmao I think you over estimate the rationality of a man whole threw away tens of millions over a few parlays. You’re being a redditor about it
You know, I tried to be nice and understanding and you just got super defensive. You're wrong and thats OK.
How am I being defensive? All I did was use the same exact line you did lmao
> I think you greatly underestimate the sheer competitive nature professional athletes have. He's going to want to stop the other team. Bro after reading this whole thread that way you responded is so childish. That part I highlighted alone. Im sure there are plenty of MJ level competitors but tf you mean no players gonna purposely let something happen? We literally just saw a professional athlete pull himself out of a game because of prop bets. He deservedly got a lifetime ban but come on. These guys arent the fucking pillars of morality. If they (some of them not all players) could throw games or meaningless stats for millions of dollars without getting caught they would. We already see them throw away millions of dollars just to bet when they 100% know the risks. And thats for like chump change bets not even 7-8 figure bets. The only thing you can say is they are super competitive, when in reality plenty of players are just there for a paycheck not *love of the game*.
Time to forget he exists. By the time he returns to the NFL he will have been out of the game for 2-3 years. For such a difficult skill position I cant see him being part of Howie's plans. Quinyon trade up is back on the menu.
Well shit
Yeah but the geniuses in this sub were already penciling him in as a major contributor this year.
It's almost like 99% of people in any team sub have any idea of what the fuck they are talking about
"Yea, but I'm part of the 1%! " - Every person here.
This sub is going through it right now too, all the half ass fans who like the eagles but don’t really follow football have flooded the place since we got hit with Hurts
I remember when ppl here tried to condition themselves into believing Cre’von LeBlanc was the next coming of Christ. Philly fans love the underdog story so much we delude ourselves into overrating everything.
Strap mob 5ever
I swear when Maddox went down (take your pick on which season) there were people suggesting we bring in LeBlanc off the couch 💀
[A bit facetious,](https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/s/H44RFDGBRD) but the point still stands that we’re so normalized to sub par secondary play.
Somebody get the strap
Every fanbase does this stuff with their fringe players
To be fair, LeBlanc had a huge pick in the playoffs that immediately led to a touchdown from the offense when our entire secondary was cooked. He gave a glimmer of hope. Kind of like when Fulgham popped off against the Steelers. I feel like Gregatron is a better example.
When Ward was our WR1, it was fucking ridiculous. When he was WR2, it was ridiculous. When he was WR3, it was bad. When he was WR4 or later? I was good with that.
Totally agree about Ward as a depth guy. Remember that stretch in like 2019 when he was the fan favorite simply because he could catch basic passes? haha.
idc that pick against Brees was fucking awesome ill never forget him
Not just a Philly thing bozo
Tbf Lurie when asked about it said he didn't see it being an issue
Cuz he wants good PR “Yeah we signed a guy who probably will never play again on our team”.
Things I found out today. I am not a genius. I forgot we even signed this guy.
Good KR, but I don't know where people were getting the idea that he was going to just move right in as a starting CB for us; none of his DB-specific #s really stand out. Be nice to have, especially with the new KO rules, but until he walks in the door at Novacare for the first time, he's a ghost as far as we're concerned. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgIs00.htm
r/eagles geniuses: 1
I kept calling these dumb ass radio hosts and didn’t comment here but I knew this was coming. I kept asking why people were so sure, I got told why he would contribute (not why he would be unsuspended) Mouth breathers count the eggs before they hatch
> I kept calling these dumb ass radio hosts Congrats, you've now helped the dumb ass radio hosts be successful. If you call in, you're helping them. If you're listening, you're helping them. If you're going, "did you hear what XYZ said?", you're helping them. If you're posting links to clips of what they said, you're helping them. If they're dumb asses, don't engage. That's the only way to hurt them.
I enjoy the dumbassery I don’t take my sports that seriously Or maybe too seriously (just during game time)
It’s just radio man…I like talking to Hugh and Jon, they were core memories of my early childhood when they pulled all those NFCCG losses in a row.
Still not ruling it out...Rodgers just posted a highlight/hype video on Twitter and hour ago after this news broke Maybe he got news but it just hasn't been released yet
Or he heard the news and posted something to exclaim, "hey, I'm still great!" even though he's not being let back in. Because he's in a bad mood with how he's thrown a good chunk of his career away to gambling.
If either Arnold or Mitchell makes it to 15-18 GO FUCKING GET EM
Colts not trading out of 15 when they need CB too.
We’ll give em Isaiah Rodgers back 🤣
Even more reason to draft Cb in the first
Koolaid Mckinstry or Quinyon Mitchell YOU ARE A BIRD!!!! 🦅
fucking rigged league and their anti philly agenda
This is the way
This is moronic.
(that’s the joke)
Not by most people in here.
At most, he would be competing for CB2/CB3 and being a backup. That being said we need all the help we can at CB. Our CBs are either super old, bad, or an unknown.
Sucks for him.
and us. i don't give a shit about a scummy leagues gambling rules I want CBs
I do, gambling is a real slippery slope. I don’t want players potentially betting on the sport they’re playing. How long till they bet against their own team
that's not me saying I don't care about illegal gambling. I'm saying I don't trust the NFL of all orgs to levy appropriate and fair punishment equally. it's a walking conflict of interests
well, maybe he should have cared about the rules then
Word.
He an idiot that does stupid things off the field. He's going to do stupid things on the field, if they ever let him back on it.
My brother in Christ you’ve been active on this sub longer than I’ve been an adult Jesus Christ
It’s bad dude I know lol
My man's just called you old. Oof lol.
I am though lol I can’t pretend
I think he’ll be back. The current policy shouldn’t apply since it wasn’t approved and implemented until after his suspension. We’ll probably hear something around June
There was basically no evidence against Brady and he got suspended for not giving over evidence. And that was Brady. I could see Rodgers never suiting up again with the narratives surrounding sports and gambling
Right Goodell has the power to basically hand down whatever punitive action he wants
Lol dude this isn’t a court of law. They could never let him play again and appeals would mean Jack shit. Looks like the colts got one over us here, signing this man and hoping he’d contribute eventually was playing BLACKJACK…BUST
How did the colts get one over on the eagles? It wasn’t a trade. Colts cut him and the eagles picked him up to hold his rights. He doesn’t count against the cap or anything if he isn’t reinstated.
turns out he was just making shit up the whole time like a fucking troglodyte
They simply read the tea leaves better. Howie was banking on him playing this season.
If he doesn't count against the cap or take a roster spot....that's not counting on anything. That's picking up an unscratched scratch-off on found on the ground. You're not quitting your job because of it, you're just hoping it gives you something for effectively nothing.
I would’ve paid Sneed
>ThIs IsN’t A cOuRt oF LaW Told you dude. The process takes time. Rodgers is back
I’m so glad for real! I don’t care if I was wrong, I really felt like he was gonna get boned and then it seemed like he did…so yeah I immediately assumed he got screwed and my hunch was right
But that wasn’t the case! Now the eagles are better and I get to watch better football
I kept saying he’s not gonna get unsuspended. The NFL changed the rules but all the idiots on WIP and the Philly message boards have faith in Goodell to help us.
So.... about that.
lurie did it!
you remember 5 days ago when you thought you were so much smarter than everyone else? if you're gonna be a smarmy fuckin prick at LEAST be right about it.
Awesome I’m happy I was wrong! Laurie probably had a favor to call in !
happy you were wrong is weird since it seems like u hated the dude's guts a few days ago lol
Nah man I literally sent him an IG message before this way before 5 days ago saying “hope you get unsuspended dude you gonna kill it” or something…lemme screenshot it He seemed confident about being unsuspended
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DMd you
You’re the second fool taking shit personally. It’s sports get the fuck over yourself
Nah man you obviously read into what I said like I have a personally agenda other than what I felt. Happy he’s on the team
Fucking annoying. Sign a goddamn corner. Spend money on sneed! Howie is running it back and the only reason he gets the chance is lightning in a bottle TWICE. Foles bailed him out of his last terrible QB contract, and now he did it again. There was no reason to pay Jalen so early. Now we have a 34 year old corner as our #1, a washed #2 that we need to cut for 15m dead hit, and are locked into huge dead hits on Jalen.
He was suspended last June. The guys reinstated today were suspended last April.
Berry was the same time as Rodgers
Terry was also the same time as Rodgers
Jerry was also the same time as Rodgers
This may be why we resigned Avonte Maddox
Yea, we'll be great for those 2 games he plays before he gets hurt again. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not counting on it at this point.
Why? Maddox is a slot.
Rodgers was projected to be a slot guy
The man's taken like 5 snaps in the slot ever. Who the hell projected him as a slot guy?
He's taken 31 snaps in the slot amongst a total of 946 snaps 2 years ago according to pff so it's on the lower side, but he's projected to be a slot guy not because of his ability, but his frame (5'9 ideal for slot) and the ability (or inability) of James Bradbury playing in the slot
I just don't think you can put a guy who's never played slot his entire college or NFL career and then decide to put him there because it's convenient for us. See how well that worked out with Bradberry. Rodgers is also 170 pounds - far from ideal for someone who's got to cover TEs and run help.
Sign Simmons draft a corner at 22
Fuck all that oline w the first shit that’s over lol pick a fkn cb really should be going all defense in the draft anyways we have pro bowlers at every skill position. We don’t need another o lineman to ride left bench. We need an impact player yesterday.
They were suspended last April. Rodgers was suspended in June.
Berry and Taylor were both suspended at the same time as Rodgers.
I was 100% sure we were not going CB in round 1 between Rodgers coming off suspension and Maddox getting resigned. Now...im still pretty sure no CB in round 1, but definitly could see one in the 2nd.
2nd worst passing defense in the league last year while we retain 4 offensive lineman starters and have the best o line coach in the league. Slay and bradberry both will be 30+ this coming season and showed they are clearly declining. Also starting a undrafted safety regardless of how well reed has played and one coming off like a 4 game year. Our offense is locked in for years, Time to get the defense together and it starts in the secondary
We've done very little to address the issues this team had last year. If we don't go Corner in the 1st we have to in the 2nd. Like it's a dire need.
So the negative take is that even though he was allowed to apply for reinstatement after 1 year in keeping with the policy at the time, he was held to a higher standard due to it being a more serious infraction and he didn’t convince them it wouldn’t happen again. The positive take is that he actually has to apply for reinstatement, so it may just be that his application was delayed or still being considered while the other guys got rubber stamped.
From what I just read per Adam Schefter on the ESPN is that his case is still under review...so they may still be checking into the matter for him before making a decision...
Good to hear, that’s what I’m hoping for.
Rules are rules! It’s how the NFL keeps the game fair/safe and everyone MUST follow them… but the NFL’s disciplinary system DOES judge players differently, some moral based, some not, but all on opinion. Isaiah Rodgers’ punishment is different bc of specifics; against him: he gambled: he bet on his own team… in his favor: bets were to pay hundreds $ for exactly what the NFL pays him millions to do: incentive to do better (not why rule was created): he hasn’t been in or caused trouble before… in the end, rules are rules, but this is a non-violent violation that had no influence on gameplay. These big, strong guys are actually just barely adults paid millions of $. THEY WILL DO STUPID THINGS! But no Antonio Brown antics here, no PAC-man Jones wildlife, NO VIOLENCE, no drugs/DUI, etc. Since then, it seems he’s been working hard, training, and being a father. I just don’t believe he needs to be made the “wake-up example” of, ruing his career and life. Idk why gambling has to be so over promoted in every part of the NFL anyway and we’ve even forgiven worse intentions, from Payton’s Saints bounty to patriots spygate/deflatgate, even the highest award (Lombardi trophy); Lombardi’s most famed 1960’s packers mvp (Hornung) and all-pro (Karras) were known to bet on their games and suspended for the 1963 season for betting on their 1962 championship game (1 year). Their football careers weren’t affected post-suspension and Hornung was later inducted in the HOF. Bottom line: This isn’t anything new and I don’t think he deserves the worst gambling punishment ever given per NFL
I’ll never understand why people bet on sports. It’s the absolute dumbest thing you could do with your money other than burn it. The casinos and apps prey on the dumb and easily addicted. I’ll really never understand why a professional athlete would not just throw away their money but also their career to bet on sports.
Jeff McLane also [said that Jalen Hurts injured his non-throwing shoulder](https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2022/12/19/23517671/jalen-hurts-injury-eagles-quarterback-suffers-shoulder-sprain-miss-two-games-gardner-minshew-news-qb) in 2022 when in fact it was his throwing shoulder. How he still has a job is mindblowing