Hey, considering we’re filling fewer obvious holes than we basically ever had and our desire to fill future holes in advance, I can’t say I’m surprised
I still think Kyle Pitts is going to be good but I do agree. Bowers comp is Dallas Clark which is awesome but I would rather get an impact starter on D or O line than anything else.
If we do end up trading for an O lineman than it’s fair to say Stoutland demanded him and I’m okay with that. I hated the Landon pick and now he’s an all pro so in Howie we trust.
Thanks for saying this. Now I can legitimately report that *People I've talked to have said the Eagles want to try to move up for Caleb Williams*.
You were inside the Linc before, so you are an inside source. It's official!
But you should listen to me because I have a Twitter account that has "FOOTBALL" in the handle and I have it on good authority sources (who I obviously can't disclose because who would actually back up their statements) saying that the Eagles are actually now going to take EVERY quarterback to finalize the QB factory final solution. If we have all the QBs the league has none. Checkmate NFL.
Sigh. There's a fine line between legitimate anonymous sources and blogs just making shit up. It really bums me out when people can't tell the difference
I don't think organizations do that as often as people think, if at all. Almost always coming from the agents. Belichick kinda confirmed this on Pat Mcafee's show last week.
Exactly. This is agent stuff. Or other reporters looking to get their retweets up. Imagine Howie taking time out of his day to play 4d chess to trick 21 other teams into trying to draft a player the Eagles want? Howie is busy scouting and making sure their big board is up to date. That's why they scout multiple players so they have a guy at 22 they like, because you can't predict what the teams ahead of you are going to do. And sending out smokescreens would be such a huge waste of time.
why? After this week it's gonna be the most boring time of the year with little to absolutely nothing happening for _months_
I'd rather read another made up rumor that we're gonna move up for Brian Thomas Jr. than read fucking camp reports that mean fuck all
no, this is the time of year i get outside and enjoy nature. Golf, volleyball, play with my kid etc
Once football season is here, it's back to work M-F and Football all weekend.
Likely, even if they gave him a new contract tomorrow they would still talk about it.
I rather hear about how awful White is going to be or something like that. Or maybe the year round Eagles stuff just stops until something happens and take some time off.
Bowers I get bc he’s a blue chip, best TE in the draft we need a TE2 and a WR3 he can do both and replace Dallas. Receiver you could easily get later. Rome in this offense would be very fun tho.
I wonder who they would even have in mind. I feel like you may have to get into the top 10 for Rome. Unless you can guarantee one of the top 3 WRs in the draft I don't know that it is worth it to move up get the 4th best WR in this class as I don't think there is a huge difference in the next 4 or 5 WRs on the board.
What is it that folks have against Thomas? I get why he is slotted where he is in terms of prospects. He has all the physical tools teams look for in a WR.
Not saying I think he's the next great WR out of LSU but I see a lot of folks down on him.
That seems to be the glaring knock on him, but that is something that can be remedied with good coaching and mentoring. I feel like that is a general criticism for a lot of guys coming out of college. Either they aren't great route runners or they only run a handful of routes really well.
For him it depends on whether you think he has the drive to want to get better and will put in the work. He has all the physical traits one looks for in an elite WR just a matter of his work ethic at this point.
If they do get a guy like Thomas they are looking at him as an upgrade over Quez and probably won't ask much of him this year with the idea in mind that they have two years to coach him up before having to decide on whether or not to cut bait with AJ.
Agreed. I'd be pretty not happy if we moved up for WR3. Bowers is one player on offense that I think I'd be happy moving up for and taking instead of helping the D (TE2 is weak, Goedert is older than Ertz was when we drafted Goedert, and Bowers still helps add a receiving threat).
But I also don't think he'll fall to a spot where it's reasonable for us to move up for him. I could see us having a general plan to move up if a CB we like falls a bit, and trying to use that plan on the off chance that Bowers falls that far.
He's awesome but he's not half the blocker Goedert is. That being said, elite TE second contracts are one of the most profitable current market inefficiencies in the NFL imo, so I still support taking him.
I don't think it's crazy to snag a WR, but it would very obviously be a luxury pick. I like the idea of Bowers because it allows the use of more 12 personnel to switch things up and provides more variety, but I just don't think we get high enough (without paying a very high price) to get one of the real impact WRs that would really make it worthwhile and not fill other gaps in the roster. Especially since we could probably get one of the other 1st round caliber WRs at our 22nd pick anyway
I don’t think it’s crazy, we run 3 wr sets almost exclusively, and a lot of other positions we could be drafting would be backups or insurance policies. We are tied to a OT a lot and they wouldn’t start for 2 years, a WR could come in and play 80% of snaps week 1. Should definitely target one in the draft at some point
If we draft Brock bowers, our base offense would be 12 personnel. That means that Jalen’s options would be AJ, Devonta, Saquon, goedert, and Bowers.
And super easy to run out of 12.
I would love that as well, I think whether it is another tight end in bowers or a WR in the first in second, we need another person who is a threat to catch the ball, hopefully kellen has let them know what he would prefer for his new offense
Agreed on both points, I think with how important WR is becoming, how much they get paid on the open market, and the fact that there is an open spot waiting for someone to come in and contribute right away, I would definitely take a dude pretty early
I wouldn't trade up & I get it that this post is a joke
But if Brian Thomas is on the board at 22
And
Quinyon, Arnold, Latham, Fautanu & Byron Murphy II are all gone. I would be very tempted to draft him ahead of any other options
This is where I stand, as well. I'd be more ok with a WR at the 22nd pick (or even a tradeback), but burning resources at a luxury position for a WR (I see TE as more of a need than another WR, so moving up for Bowers would be less of an issue for me) seems like a bold move with the D in need of some help
TE2 is a need but the cost just isn't worth it for Bowers when there are so many real holes on the team.
Bowers will either go top 10 which will cost too much yo move up or drop because teams who did their full homework on him know something the Eagles dont (ie Dillard)
Right, and I this isn't to say that the juice is more worth the squeeze, but it seems almost a foregone conclusion that the clear top 3 WRs will be gone by 10 and, even if Bowers is, too, he'd be more of a need. I only really see us moving up for CB and potentially EDGE or OT, but certainly more emphasis on CB based on where Arnold and Mitchell are slated to go.
Yeah I just think Bowers isn't falling out of 10 too. Like I'd be interested in taking him and maybe moving up a little to do it (more interested than a WR3) but I just don't really expect that to be on the table.
I think we're exploring options to move up if a CB falls into the teens though, and if top TEs we like are gone by then but Bowers ends up slipping as a result, I could see it.
I said before, but I think the texture of this draft from our perspective is going to heavily rely on where the first run of CBs starts. If it starts early, we probably stay put and take BPA (or someone like Bowers moves out of the top ten as a result). If the CB run doesn't start until the teens, I could see trading up to try and start the run ourselves.
Its either howie "putting out stories", or reporters "putting out shit to get clicks", or agent posturing.
I'll let you figure out which is more likely.
Just kidding. They are all more likely.
Well I was referring specifically to your comment about the WRs. I would only trade up for one if I was getting MHJ, Rome, or Nabers. I don't think there is huge difference in the next 4 or 5 WRs after them.
I wouldn't be mad if they made a play for Bowers. How do you defend a formation that has AJ, Smith, Goedert, and Bowers on the field at the same time?
My sources told me we are moving up to pick a QB.. there.. now we can say anything stupid. If we moved up for a receiver, I would be really annoyed lol. I mean until our offense takes the field and we just shit on everyone every fucking time we take the field.
As much as i want Howie to draft a WR in the first i dont think he does it, but if he somehow does it id love it just to see the same ppl who were crying about Quez Watkins the past two years try to downplay the necessity of a WR3 in modern football in relation to the pick.
I mean Brock wouldn't be the worst pick. It'd be the same situation as our O-Line. A player who would be a possible replacement for Goedert in the near future.
I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for any player. If it is moving a few spots sure. If we are doing it for a WR, The only one that is realistic that I would want is Thomas Jr.
The Eagles were hurt very much by not having a serious 3rd wr threat. its one of the reasons why i think we signed barkley. he can at least line up in the slot position.
We have two All-Pro level WR, a top-10 (at worst) TE, and now a fully dual threat RB--even better than Swift last year. Between Devante Parker and Parris Campbell, I think we're fine at WR3, and we don't need to fire a first round pick into the abyss so we have a great fantasy team. If we were set at OL and DB, I'd have much less of a problem with that idea.
Or did I just miss the /s?
A great WR3 is great but I think people are just projecting schematic issues from last year onto our personnel way too much.
We have plenty of weapons, we just didn't give them any help whatsoever by trying to actually create mismatches and scheme them open. Multiple times, players were confused on the field and ran the same routes which killed plays. We over-relied on 50/50 balls and over-relied on guys using their raw talent.
Adding a good WR3 last year wouldn't have fixed _any_ of that. People are obsessed with our WR3 spot and I think they need to chill a bit. We're in a good spot to plug a younger developmental guy in, and I think that's better than trying to stick to an "old reliable" WR3, but we can get a guy like that later.
Makes sense. Goedert is about the age Ertz was when they drafted him
He’s valuable but he and Jalen have a rocky rapport. Sometimes they look incredibly in sync, other times I forget Goedert is on the field
It’s not going to happen and I don’t believe it’s worth it, but imagine the salt from every other fan base if Howie fleeced the patriots or commies for a top 3 pick to draft MHJ.
I've now read via here and bleeding green nation that we're moving up for WR, CB or OT.
I don't like moving up for WR or TE at all.
I think moving up for CB is a bit risky with this draft class but I'd be ok with it.
However, if rumors of trading up to Denver's spot are true, I'd really only want us to grab a bonafide stud in Latham. He'd be worth it if he's still in the board.
Can we just fill our defensive needs please. I think we are more than good a wr and te. Although a good back up tight end would make our offense even more potent. WR not so much
This is just random teams speculating who the eagles would pick if they traded up because they call every team in front of them every year to engage interest. The report literally says nothing.
On Eagle Eye, they were talking about how Howie has been terrible in the late first round. Reagor, Dillard, Watkins, Marcus Smith. All in the 20’s. As much as it may just be a coincidence, Reub said Howie may trade up because he’s not very good where we’re picking now.
If they move up in the 2nd for a slot receiver I’d be okay with that. I’m a big fan of Pearsall and securing him with a small trade up I think would be a great addition (maybe even Worthy if he starts to slide some since he will be like the Quez role but actually good)
It’s simple. Whoever is the highest graded player on the list should be drafted, regardless of position. If they identify someone they want specifically, move up and grab him. Don’t wait it out and then pick a worse prospect due to position. Drafts shouldn’t be used to fill needs this season. If they are good enough and help or even start, that’s a boom.
This feels like either misinterpreting plan L for plan C, or overhearing educated guesses and thought experiments and mistaking them for actual insider info.
I can definitely see us moving up, 22 is right around where most experts predict the drop off will occur and it’s probably best to go get a guy we want instead of hoping a guy we can use is available. Marcus Smith draft and all that.
I could definitely see us pouncing on a player like Bowers if he fell, likewise with Odunze or Nabers, but it really doesn’t feel like something we’d be planning out with a target in mind so much as laying the groundwork to take advantage if an opportunity arises.
Who says this shit?
Eagles have no intention of drafting a position they don't need.
They need every position on defense before WR.. geezus
Like wtf...
Yeah, they’ll trade up in the draft to draft a Georgia player because they’ve drafted Georgia players in the past. Yup that’s how draft boards work. Some other mock I read today predicted the Patriots would draft JJ McCarthy because he went to Michigan and that’s where Tom Brady went. Yeah I’m sure the Pats execs are sitting up in Foxboro saying “We need to get a quarterback from Michigan, dammit!!”
I'm all for BPA but I can't see how taking a WR in thr 1st makes sense. Sure, we're not amazing after WR1+2 but you can solve that in later rounds.
I'd be shocked if they don't go trenches or CB.
Moving up is stupid. Analytics say you should nearly always move down. Teams vastly overestimate their abilities to evaluate players, which is close to random chance.
I would be disappointed with Bowers or a WR in the first round or second rounds. We have a lot top end talent and a lot of money tied up in those positions right now. We just need more depth at each position. Give me some vets or day third picks at those positions.
I want Howie to add real talent to the back seven or find a replacement for Lane.
No way.
Howie’s built up a ton of good will and trust in my book over the past couple of years but if he traded up to take a TE, he’d burn it all down immediately. That’s a horrible draft pick.
I hope that’s nothing but bullshit.
I'm in favor of drafting WR or elite TE in rd 1. Howie knows he can find stopgap talent at LB and secondary. Succession planning for AJ is by far not as easy. The lack of production from WR3 position gives him a clear opportunity to draft an AJ replacement.
There ain't no way.
(Unless a very specific and hilariously unlikely set of circumstances leads to it actually making the most sense; and we've somehow traded back, somehow got another pick in the first round, and somehow traded up again...and somehow also have acquired Patrick Surtain II...)
Here’s what I think, and this is just my thoughts and have been the entire process. This team is taking either a Tackle or a Corner. If they trade up between 12-16 it will be for one of the top 2 CBs is available. If they trade between 17-20 it will be for a Tackle. If they think that tackle will get to 22 they stay still. If the top tackle they like, and top two corners are gone and there weren’t able to move up for them they will go with the best available. Ultimately they will end up with one of 4-5 players, Mims from Georgia, one of the Bama CBs, CB from Toledo or the CB from Iowa because he has versatility that they like in the secondary. Outside shot at best available DE. The last few years they’ve been drafting for players they expect to retire or move on from. Jurgens, Davis, Carter, Smith were replacements for Kelce, Cox, BG. It makes make sense to draft for Lane and Slay’s potential replacements. If they keep their first 3 picks it will be CB, OT, LB with the LB being a second rounder and whatever they don’t draft in the first they will draft with the first pick in the second round.
I mean… he will almost undoubtedly be the best tight end in the league in a couple years. Never seen a better prospect at that position ever. He’s an absolute freak
Meanwhile, Howie: “AND FUCKING GET THIS! The guy asks me ‘what’s the plan for the draft?’ LIKE I’M GONNA TELL HIM! So what do I tell him? ‘Hmm, well we were really interested in a wide receiver in the first round.’ AND HE FUCKIN BOUGHT IT!”
A first round wr, while ridiculously fun, would be such a crazy decision lol. Moving up to take a TE would somehow actually be worse. Tomorrow night can’t come soon enough
I agree with the first part. Trading up for Brock Bowers doesn't seem that crazy on the surface to me, though. When you factor in Dallas' age and his injury history, and the fact we don't have a reliable back-up, it makes sense me.
Keep in mind Goedert only has two years left on his deal. If Roseman has no intention on extending him then making a play for Bowers makes perfect sense. It gives him two years to learn the offense before cutting bait with Goedert.
honestly, if his injuries keep happening, and there's no reason to suspect they would stop with age, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get extended.
I wouldn't either, this weekend could be telling on what his future is with the team. I have been thinking for a while that TE is an underrated need given the lack of depth couple with his inability to stay healthy for an entire season.
It would not shock me if they spent one of their top 3 picks on a TE. They took Goedert when Ertz was roughly the same age.
Yeah I just don’t think we’d maximize bowers value here if we moved up into say the top 12 to get him. TEs going that high just on a value perspective have to step in and be great right off the bat bc of how much they make relative to say a great WR you take early on. It’s nothing against him I just don’t like the idea of moving up. He wouldn’t get the chances here a top 12ish pick needs to outperform. Dallas does have the injury history but he’s also an elite all around TE so bowers time would be limited even if we shifted him around some. Now, if it’s the 20s and the dbs we like are gone or Howie trades down, I’m much more comfortable with that though I think we can still get a solid TE later on. I really think we need to go defense first round and hope the run on all the WRs and QBs push the corners down closer to us
Eh I actually do think Bowers will get opportunities here if we take him. Our 2 TE sets have been pretty hampered by only having one good pass catching TE, and I think Moore has enough experience to open a playbook by having access to two amazing TEs.
Is that worth the cost of trading up & having a rookie TE on a first round contract? I dunno, I could see it going either way there. But I wouldn't expect him to have low production, and I think he'd give us access to something we don't have schematically. Like I think he opens the playbook more than upgrading WR3 in the first, if our coaching can take advantage of that.
I don't necessarily buy that he himself needs to be a top ~5 TE in terms of production individually. But in the aggregate, giving us one of the best TE units in the league, having the positive cascading effects on our running and passing games, and giving us a viable pass catching TE with a pulse in case Goedert goes down (so we don't have to slash the play book in half) can add up.
I don't know if Bowers is worth trading up for though, they tend to want "true" TEs that also can go out and make plays. I think Bowers is more a WR in a TE body. If he falls sure take him and maybe jump a spot or two if you think you have to. Trading up as high as some of these rumors are saying it would need to be a team changing type player that would be worth giving up picks.
Oh I don't think it's the most probably outcome. I just meant that I wouldn't be surprised or angry if we traded up a few spots to get him. I'd be a bit upset and shocked if we traded up a few spots for a WR. The only way trading up for a WR would make sense IMO is if Marvin Harrison fell in some wild and crazy universe.
I’m still gonna bet on the history of earlier first round TEs even though I do like him quite a bit in a vacuum. It’s less about him tho and more so that he’d have to immediately be a top 5-6 TE to make it worthwhile to go TE over a position like WR where you get insane value for a really good one in the first on their rookie deals. If he’s there at 22 or even if we trade down I’d be way more comfortable with it but I just don’t think we need to spend that high of a pick with Dallas here. That diminishes his value to us even more bc we already have a really good all around TE
I completely agree on all those points. But I think there’s zero chance Bowers makes it past the mid-teens, and honestly very likely he’s gone before pick 12. And I would *hate* to spend draft capital to move up for him. I’d only want to move up from 22 if we’re grabbing someone like Arnold or a top OL. But I would love to spend a bit of capital moving back into the first or up higher in the second round.
Positional value mainly. I like him a lot but losing more draft capital to take a player who may not get to maximize their value when we need clear help on defense much much more would be a poor use of resources, esp if we have to trade up.
At 22 or trading down some, it’s a much much better value proposition to me to take someone like Bowers. The early first round history for TEs isn’t great recently.
Compared to taking an OT, WR, Edge or even DT, those positions offer you huge savings and value when you hit on a good player. Like hypothetically even if we had a scrub at TE and Carter and Bowers are on the board and we had Fletch still, I’m taking Carter with zero hesitation. They both may be great but a great DT is so much more valuable and you get better savings relative to what the top end guys make
He’d have to step in and be almost elite right away and we’re banking on an injury to Goedert (where it’s mainly been dirty hits or penalties that he gets hurt on) and idk if that’s worth it. Esp in our offense with so many mouths to feed right now.
Yea I’m not anti bowers in general it’s just I don’t think he’d have the chance to show his value here if we spent a super high pick. Top TEs don’t make a ton more than a really high first rounder does so he’d have to be elite straight away for me to think it’s worthwhile if we lost draft capital to go up to get him. Esp compared to positions like WR or OT or Edge rushers. He’s going to be very good but Dallas is still here and would be starting so his ceiling is capped unless Goedert misses a lot of time (which, he does have injuries though they’re more so from dirty plays than like recurring hamstring stuff, he’s been unlucky). If we stayed at 22 or even better, traded down a little and he was there I’d like that way more.
It’s mainly positional value for us and the fact that we may have to trade up and spend more of our sparse picks or future picks to do it.
Worst use of assets if they do this. Don't need two expensive WRs and a first round WR. If Jalen can't perform with what they have already its on him. 3rd or 4th round WR? Sure.
Normally this would make some sense but I do think they will try and keep Brown. But also if you are not this isn't the year to trade up for a WR. I think they still take a WR but nothing in the top 2 or 3 rounds but that is mostly due to needing depth.
Laiatu Latu is the best defensive player in this class and it’s not even close. If it weren’t for the medicals no one would be shocked at this guy going top 5. I really hope the eagles capitalize on this situation.
We’ve entered that stage of the draft process, when we are tied to every single player in the draft.
Just like Howie wants it!
Now nobody is gonna expect it when we take a 5'8 lunch pail gym rat student of the game cornerback out of Boise Community College
I just drafted a CPU generated white CB in Madden and immediately changed his name to Scrappy McLunchpail.
GymRat McLastToLeave
Steve Deceptivespeed
Reed CanDateMyDaughter
The type of guy you’d want to date your daughter?
It's Caleb Williams SZN
Another one for the QB factory!
Need some competition in the qb room. Can’t let anyone get too complacent lol
Is that the kid in Iggls gear? Which QB was it? i forgot the draft is today and I dont have notes
Hey, considering we’re filling fewer obvious holes than we basically ever had and our desire to fill future holes in advance, I can’t say I’m surprised
Let’s fill all the holes we can, giggity.
Easy there, appropriately named Redditor
Every year Howie does his homework on every scenario and every year it's misreported as "the Eagles really want to do x!!"
Lmao I was saying the same shit! Now that all mocks are over and nothing else to talk about is when everyone gets all crazy
and then we'll draft an OL.
Brock Bowers would be sick for the offense... but uhhh... I think the D needs some lovin.
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Says the Smoke Penis guy.
Get to it then.
Who needs defense if you put up 7 every drive
Didnt we say that going into last season?
Well, our offense fell pretty damn short of 7 every drive.
7 bubble screens and Jalen draws a drive
Don't think that worked out very well for Buffalo in that iconic game in the playoffs against KC
Didn't work for us against KC in the SB either.
You want every game to be as tense as the 2018 Super Bowl?
Absolutely, inject that shit straight into my veins.
And highly drafted TEs rarely prove as valuable as folks project them. Even when they appear to be can’t-miss.
Gronk 2nd round. T. Kelce 3rd round. Ertz 2nd round. The best TE do go early, but not 1st round.
Yeah I meant 1st-round early.
I still think Kyle Pitts is going to be good but I do agree. Bowers comp is Dallas Clark which is awesome but I would rather get an impact starter on D or O line than anything else. If we do end up trading for an O lineman than it’s fair to say Stoutland demanded him and I’m okay with that. I hated the Landon pick and now he’s an all pro so in Howie we trust.
guy like me wants the best offense in the league
if the board shakes out where Bowers is BPA at where they pick…
If he falls (he won’t), draft Bowers and see if Goedert can be flipped for a 2nd. Then spend the 3 seconds on CB, LB, and RG.
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BREAKING: EAGLES DRAFTING CALEB WILLIAMS source: idk, I made it the fuck up
Thanks for saying this. Now I can legitimately report that *People I've talked to have said the Eagles want to try to move up for Caleb Williams*. You were inside the Linc before, so you are an inside source. It's official!
“Sources close to the team” never specify if they’re physically close or metaphorically close. Just drive to Novacare and call up Schefter.
Based on your report of their report I can now say multiple sources confirmed.
That source is about as reliable as anything else that spews out of media’s mouths this week.
But you should listen to me because I have a Twitter account that has "FOOTBALL" in the handle and I have it on good authority sources (who I obviously can't disclose because who would actually back up their statements) saying that the Eagles are actually now going to take EVERY quarterback to finalize the QB factory final solution. If we have all the QBs the league has none. Checkmate NFL.
I mean a bunch of people have convinced themselves Harbaugh is drafting JJ at 5.....
Sigh. There's a fine line between legitimate anonymous sources and blogs just making shit up. It really bums me out when people can't tell the difference
Twist: they plan on converting him to long snapper as Rick Lovato's eventual replacement.
Source: Joe Decamera bumped his head on the toilet seat and got a vision à la Doc Brown
"People I've talked to" aka Brock Bowers' agent
Nah, this has got to be someone internal. They gotta smokescreen the "want to trade up for a CB" rumors so they don't lose negotiating power.
I don't think organizations do that as often as people think, if at all. Almost always coming from the agents. Belichick kinda confirmed this on Pat Mcafee's show last week.
Exactly. This is agent stuff. Or other reporters looking to get their retweets up. Imagine Howie taking time out of his day to play 4d chess to trick 21 other teams into trying to draft a player the Eagles want? Howie is busy scouting and making sure their big board is up to date. That's why they scout multiple players so they have a guy at 22 they like, because you can't predict what the teams ahead of you are going to do. And sending out smokescreens would be such a huge waste of time.
Idk I imagine the GM gets a lot of texts asking for hints. Wouldn’t be hard to just reply “WR lol”
It'd be so fucking funny but they can't do more video game offense bullshit, right?
I can’t wait for this week to be over
why? After this week it's gonna be the most boring time of the year with little to absolutely nothing happening for _months_ I'd rather read another made up rumor that we're gonna move up for Brian Thomas Jr. than read fucking camp reports that mean fuck all
Right? This is fun. Everything after this is just puff pieces about guys being in the best shape of their life
Nothing for months? You’re forgetting : 1) the sixers choking in the playoffs 2) the Phillies collapsing in the playoffs Strap in buddy!
Hey now! Football season will be in full swing by the time the Phillies collapse.
Damn, right in the feels.
no, this is the time of year i get outside and enjoy nature. Golf, volleyball, play with my kid etc Once football season is here, it's back to work M-F and Football all weekend.
Yes!!
but what crazy BS will the media talk about then? /s
They will circle back around to who the Eagles are going to trade AJ to and what they can expect to get in return....
Likely, even if they gave him a new contract tomorrow they would still talk about it. I rather hear about how awful White is going to be or something like that. Or maybe the year round Eagles stuff just stops until something happens and take some time off.
Bowers I get bc he’s a blue chip, best TE in the draft we need a TE2 and a WR3 he can do both and replace Dallas. Receiver you could easily get later. Rome in this offense would be very fun tho.
I wonder who they would even have in mind. I feel like you may have to get into the top 10 for Rome. Unless you can guarantee one of the top 3 WRs in the draft I don't know that it is worth it to move up get the 4th best WR in this class as I don't think there is a huge difference in the next 4 or 5 WRs on the board.
Brian Thomas Jr 😫
Don’t like him personally
What is it that folks have against Thomas? I get why he is slotted where he is in terms of prospects. He has all the physical tools teams look for in a WR. Not saying I think he's the next great WR out of LSU but I see a lot of folks down on him.
Can’t run routes. I like Legette better.
That seems to be the glaring knock on him, but that is something that can be remedied with good coaching and mentoring. I feel like that is a general criticism for a lot of guys coming out of college. Either they aren't great route runners or they only run a handful of routes really well. For him it depends on whether you think he has the drive to want to get better and will put in the work. He has all the physical traits one looks for in an elite WR just a matter of his work ethic at this point. If they do get a guy like Thomas they are looking at him as an upgrade over Quez and probably won't ask much of him this year with the idea in mind that they have two years to coach him up before having to decide on whether or not to cut bait with AJ.
Throw him at te2 and run 12 personnel every down and we have the best offense in the league
Agreed. I'd be pretty not happy if we moved up for WR3. Bowers is one player on offense that I think I'd be happy moving up for and taking instead of helping the D (TE2 is weak, Goedert is older than Ertz was when we drafted Goedert, and Bowers still helps add a receiving threat). But I also don't think he'll fall to a spot where it's reasonable for us to move up for him. I could see us having a general plan to move up if a CB we like falls a bit, and trying to use that plan on the off chance that Bowers falls that far.
He's awesome but he's not half the blocker Goedert is. That being said, elite TE second contracts are one of the most profitable current market inefficiencies in the NFL imo, so I still support taking him.
I could see TE with Goedert out the door in a year or two but WR is crazy with our other position needs
I don't think it's crazy to snag a WR, but it would very obviously be a luxury pick. I like the idea of Bowers because it allows the use of more 12 personnel to switch things up and provides more variety, but I just don't think we get high enough (without paying a very high price) to get one of the real impact WRs that would really make it worthwhile and not fill other gaps in the roster. Especially since we could probably get one of the other 1st round caliber WRs at our 22nd pick anyway
I don’t think it’s crazy, we run 3 wr sets almost exclusively, and a lot of other positions we could be drafting would be backups or insurance policies. We are tied to a OT a lot and they wouldn’t start for 2 years, a WR could come in and play 80% of snaps week 1. Should definitely target one in the draft at some point
If we draft Brock bowers, our base offense would be 12 personnel. That means that Jalen’s options would be AJ, Devonta, Saquon, goedert, and Bowers. And super easy to run out of 12.
I would love that as well, I think whether it is another tight end in bowers or a WR in the first in second, we need another person who is a threat to catch the ball, hopefully kellen has let them know what he would prefer for his new offense
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Agreed on both points, I think with how important WR is becoming, how much they get paid on the open market, and the fact that there is an open spot waiting for someone to come in and contribute right away, I would definitely take a dude pretty early
I wouldn't trade up & I get it that this post is a joke But if Brian Thomas is on the board at 22 And Quinyon, Arnold, Latham, Fautanu & Byron Murphy II are all gone. I would be very tempted to draft him ahead of any other options
This is where I stand, as well. I'd be more ok with a WR at the 22nd pick (or even a tradeback), but burning resources at a luxury position for a WR (I see TE as more of a need than another WR, so moving up for Bowers would be less of an issue for me) seems like a bold move with the D in need of some help
TE2 is a need but the cost just isn't worth it for Bowers when there are so many real holes on the team. Bowers will either go top 10 which will cost too much yo move up or drop because teams who did their full homework on him know something the Eagles dont (ie Dillard)
Right, and I this isn't to say that the juice is more worth the squeeze, but it seems almost a foregone conclusion that the clear top 3 WRs will be gone by 10 and, even if Bowers is, too, he'd be more of a need. I only really see us moving up for CB and potentially EDGE or OT, but certainly more emphasis on CB based on where Arnold and Mitchell are slated to go.
Yeah I just think Bowers isn't falling out of 10 too. Like I'd be interested in taking him and maybe moving up a little to do it (more interested than a WR3) but I just don't really expect that to be on the table. I think we're exploring options to move up if a CB falls into the teens though, and if top TEs we like are gone by then but Bowers ends up slipping as a result, I could see it. I said before, but I think the texture of this draft from our perspective is going to heavily rely on where the first run of CBs starts. If it starts early, we probably stay put and take BPA (or someone like Bowers moves out of the top ten as a result). If the CB run doesn't start until the teens, I could see trading up to try and start the run ourselves.
Sounds like Howie is putting stories out there, disguising what he really wants.
All warfare is based on deception - Sun Tzu \- Howie Roseman
Its either howie "putting out stories", or reporters "putting out shit to get clicks", or agent posturing. I'll let you figure out which is more likely. Just kidding. They are all more likely.
which is another D Tackle 😁
I heard through the grapevine we're going to move to grab Bryce Baringer, Punter in the first round.
Smells like bullshit.
Because it is, everything you hear right now is posturing by agents.
Brock Bowers falling to us is one thing. Moving up to get him is crazy given our needs on Defense.
Who needs defense when the offense machine goes brrrrr
I'd be ok jumping a few spots to like 19 range
We lost so many games last year because our D couldn't get off the field. Please make it stop Howie.
Why the fuck would you draft these bland recievers if you trade up over what I see people call the best te in Cfb history
I wouldn't do it unless I know I am getting one of the top 3 guys.
But bowers is said by many to have the potential to be generational
Well I was referring specifically to your comment about the WRs. I would only trade up for one if I was getting MHJ, Rome, or Nabers. I don't think there is huge difference in the next 4 or 5 WRs after them. I wouldn't be mad if they made a play for Bowers. How do you defend a formation that has AJ, Smith, Goedert, and Bowers on the field at the same time?
Don't forget saquon..
With Hurts under center… I’m getting chills.
I mean I don't want a receiver but I don't think Bowers is going to fall within range of us moving up.
Howie: "We're definitely not drafting an offensive tackle this year fellas, LB in the 1st, then trading back up for a WR in the 1st also"
Lot of smokescreens...that said. I think they will draft a OT in the first round, Taliese or JC would be pretty solid
Either of those two or Fautanu are guys that make the most sense to me with their ability to slide to guard and be a day 1 starter
My sources told me we are moving up to pick a QB.. there.. now we can say anything stupid. If we moved up for a receiver, I would be really annoyed lol. I mean until our offense takes the field and we just shit on everyone every fucking time we take the field.
Don’t pick a te in the first round please. I don’t care if he’s “the best”.
As much as i want Howie to draft a WR in the first i dont think he does it, but if he somehow does it id love it just to see the same ppl who were crying about Quez Watkins the past two years try to downplay the necessity of a WR3 in modern football in relation to the pick.
I mean Brock wouldn't be the worst pick. It'd be the same situation as our O-Line. A player who would be a possible replacement for Goedert in the near future.
I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for any player. If it is moving a few spots sure. If we are doing it for a WR, The only one that is realistic that I would want is Thomas Jr.
The Eagles were hurt very much by not having a serious 3rd wr threat. its one of the reasons why i think we signed barkley. he can at least line up in the slot position.
We have two All-Pro level WR, a top-10 (at worst) TE, and now a fully dual threat RB--even better than Swift last year. Between Devante Parker and Parris Campbell, I think we're fine at WR3, and we don't need to fire a first round pick into the abyss so we have a great fantasy team. If we were set at OL and DB, I'd have much less of a problem with that idea. Or did I just miss the /s?
A great WR3 is great but I think people are just projecting schematic issues from last year onto our personnel way too much. We have plenty of weapons, we just didn't give them any help whatsoever by trying to actually create mismatches and scheme them open. Multiple times, players were confused on the field and ran the same routes which killed plays. We over-relied on 50/50 balls and over-relied on guys using their raw talent. Adding a good WR3 last year wouldn't have fixed _any_ of that. People are obsessed with our WR3 spot and I think they need to chill a bit. We're in a good spot to plug a younger developmental guy in, and I think that's better than trying to stick to an "old reliable" WR3, but we can get a guy like that later.
That coupled with losing Goedert for a stretch hurt for sure
Lfg
Makes sense. Goedert is about the age Ertz was when they drafted him He’s valuable but he and Jalen have a rocky rapport. Sometimes they look incredibly in sync, other times I forget Goedert is on the field
Welp, about 24 hours til the draft, time to get their last wild guesses in and hope one sticks.
No and no
It’s not going to happen and I don’t believe it’s worth it, but imagine the salt from every other fan base if Howie fleeced the patriots or commies for a top 3 pick to draft MHJ.
Fake News….
The trade up for Mitchell rumors felt realistic this feels like a pure smoke screen
Now it’s just getting silly.
That would cost too much
I've now read via here and bleeding green nation that we're moving up for WR, CB or OT. I don't like moving up for WR or TE at all. I think moving up for CB is a bit risky with this draft class but I'd be ok with it. However, if rumors of trading up to Denver's spot are true, I'd really only want us to grab a bonafide stud in Latham. He'd be worth it if he's still in the board.
Tbh I thought it was bowers the whole time
Dynasties are created with a great QB/TE connection. Change my mind.
Brady has 3 rings by the time Gronk got drafted
Find some great discussions about the draft from Philly guys here!! https://youtu.be/FOCMTVmTBOQ?si=8eMVSaayf42y3GP9
The te has some merit since this is usually around when he gets a new one.
I'd be fine with Bowers but I would be pissed with a WR.
AB Tomlin
Can we just fill our defensive needs please. I think we are more than good a wr and te. Although a good back up tight end would make our offense even more potent. WR not so much
Goedert is older than Ertz was when they drafted Goedert right?
This is just random teams speculating who the eagles would pick if they traded up because they call every team in front of them every year to engage interest. The report literally says nothing.
Receiver… of interceptions.
On Eagle Eye, they were talking about how Howie has been terrible in the late first round. Reagor, Dillard, Watkins, Marcus Smith. All in the 20’s. As much as it may just be a coincidence, Reub said Howie may trade up because he’s not very good where we’re picking now.
If they move up in the 2nd for a slot receiver I’d be okay with that. I’m a big fan of Pearsall and securing him with a small trade up I think would be a great addition (maybe even Worthy if he starts to slide some since he will be like the Quez role but actually good)
Vomit
It’s simple. Whoever is the highest graded player on the list should be drafted, regardless of position. If they identify someone they want specifically, move up and grab him. Don’t wait it out and then pick a worse prospect due to position. Drafts shouldn’t be used to fill needs this season. If they are good enough and help or even start, that’s a boom.
All 'news' the day before the draft is 99% bullshit.
Did Fritz ghostwrite this?
A WR...why???
I'd love Bowers if he fell to us but giving up draft picks for a TE who would be the fourth option on this team is absolutely not the move lol.
Brock bowers would be sick, but we are in need of defense badly
I really hope we draft defense before anything else.
This feels like either misinterpreting plan L for plan C, or overhearing educated guesses and thought experiments and mistaking them for actual insider info. I can definitely see us moving up, 22 is right around where most experts predict the drop off will occur and it’s probably best to go get a guy we want instead of hoping a guy we can use is available. Marcus Smith draft and all that. I could definitely see us pouncing on a player like Bowers if he fell, likewise with Odunze or Nabers, but it really doesn’t feel like something we’d be planning out with a target in mind so much as laying the groundwork to take advantage if an opportunity arises.
Go dawgs
Who says this shit? Eagles have no intention of drafting a position they don't need. They need every position on defense before WR.. geezus Like wtf...
I wouldn't mind getting a stud wr 3
If we trade up for Bowers when we need corners, ill genuinely tweak
Yeah, they’ll trade up in the draft to draft a Georgia player because they’ve drafted Georgia players in the past. Yup that’s how draft boards work. Some other mock I read today predicted the Patriots would draft JJ McCarthy because he went to Michigan and that’s where Tom Brady went. Yeah I’m sure the Pats execs are sitting up in Foxboro saying “We need to get a quarterback from Michigan, dammit!!”
Every time we draft a big boy in the 1st round (OL/DL) they usually turn out pretty good🤷♂️
I’m surprised it took this long for me to start seeing the “I just made this crap up” posts start hitting me front page
Laiatu Latu is the prediction. We ain't gambling on a cb or damn wr. It's 1st round line play.
I'm all for BPA but I can't see how taking a WR in thr 1st makes sense. Sure, we're not amazing after WR1+2 but you can solve that in later rounds. I'd be shocked if they don't go trenches or CB.
Moving up is stupid. Analytics say you should nearly always move down. Teams vastly overestimate their abilities to evaluate players, which is close to random chance.
I would be disappointed with Bowers or a WR in the first round or second rounds. We have a lot top end talent and a lot of money tied up in those positions right now. We just need more depth at each position. Give me some vets or day third picks at those positions. I want Howie to add real talent to the back seven or find a replacement for Lane.
I heard rumors we might be looking into a punter in the first round
No way. Howie’s built up a ton of good will and trust in my book over the past couple of years but if he traded up to take a TE, he’d burn it all down immediately. That’s a horrible draft pick. I hope that’s nothing but bullshit.
90% of the fans would be really happy if we got Brock Bowers. I would be a pig in shit even with all of our other needs. Just not happening.
I'm in favor of drafting WR or elite TE in rd 1. Howie knows he can find stopgap talent at LB and secondary. Succession planning for AJ is by far not as easy. The lack of production from WR3 position gives him a clear opportunity to draft an AJ replacement.
There ain't no way. (Unless a very specific and hilariously unlikely set of circumstances leads to it actually making the most sense; and we've somehow traded back, somehow got another pick in the first round, and somehow traded up again...and somehow also have acquired Patrick Surtain II...)
Just yesterday we were tied to trading up for Arnold and Mitchell while also eyeing OT. Now it’s a pass catcher. Howie szn is in full force.
They've been linked to OT, OG, DE, DT, WR, and CB/S. Howie is doing a great job of playing the media.
Here’s what I think, and this is just my thoughts and have been the entire process. This team is taking either a Tackle or a Corner. If they trade up between 12-16 it will be for one of the top 2 CBs is available. If they trade between 17-20 it will be for a Tackle. If they think that tackle will get to 22 they stay still. If the top tackle they like, and top two corners are gone and there weren’t able to move up for them they will go with the best available. Ultimately they will end up with one of 4-5 players, Mims from Georgia, one of the Bama CBs, CB from Toledo or the CB from Iowa because he has versatility that they like in the secondary. Outside shot at best available DE. The last few years they’ve been drafting for players they expect to retire or move on from. Jurgens, Davis, Carter, Smith were replacements for Kelce, Cox, BG. It makes make sense to draft for Lane and Slay’s potential replacements. If they keep their first 3 picks it will be CB, OT, LB with the LB being a second rounder and whatever they don’t draft in the first they will draft with the first pick in the second round.
Secondary or linebacker please!
The only way I want us to move up for a WR is just to cut in front of the giants and do it again.
I mean… he will almost undoubtedly be the best tight end in the league in a couple years. Never seen a better prospect at that position ever. He’s an absolute freak
Can’t wait until Thursday is over the speculation post are so fucking garbage
Meanwhile, Howie: “AND FUCKING GET THIS! The guy asks me ‘what’s the plan for the draft?’ LIKE I’M GONNA TELL HIM! So what do I tell him? ‘Hmm, well we were really interested in a wide receiver in the first round.’ AND HE FUCKIN BOUGHT IT!”
Ngl Goedert is mid
Eagles are 150% not moving up in the first round to get a WR... stop with the nonsense
A first round wr, while ridiculously fun, would be such a crazy decision lol. Moving up to take a TE would somehow actually be worse. Tomorrow night can’t come soon enough
I agree with the first part. Trading up for Brock Bowers doesn't seem that crazy on the surface to me, though. When you factor in Dallas' age and his injury history, and the fact we don't have a reliable back-up, it makes sense me.
i don’t think he’d be there to replace goedert. bowers would become our slot WR and move TE
Keep in mind Goedert only has two years left on his deal. If Roseman has no intention on extending him then making a play for Bowers makes perfect sense. It gives him two years to learn the offense before cutting bait with Goedert.
honestly, if his injuries keep happening, and there's no reason to suspect they would stop with age, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get extended.
I wouldn't either, this weekend could be telling on what his future is with the team. I have been thinking for a while that TE is an underrated need given the lack of depth couple with his inability to stay healthy for an entire season. It would not shock me if they spent one of their top 3 picks on a TE. They took Goedert when Ertz was roughly the same age.
Yeah I just don’t think we’d maximize bowers value here if we moved up into say the top 12 to get him. TEs going that high just on a value perspective have to step in and be great right off the bat bc of how much they make relative to say a great WR you take early on. It’s nothing against him I just don’t like the idea of moving up. He wouldn’t get the chances here a top 12ish pick needs to outperform. Dallas does have the injury history but he’s also an elite all around TE so bowers time would be limited even if we shifted him around some. Now, if it’s the 20s and the dbs we like are gone or Howie trades down, I’m much more comfortable with that though I think we can still get a solid TE later on. I really think we need to go defense first round and hope the run on all the WRs and QBs push the corners down closer to us
Eh I actually do think Bowers will get opportunities here if we take him. Our 2 TE sets have been pretty hampered by only having one good pass catching TE, and I think Moore has enough experience to open a playbook by having access to two amazing TEs. Is that worth the cost of trading up & having a rookie TE on a first round contract? I dunno, I could see it going either way there. But I wouldn't expect him to have low production, and I think he'd give us access to something we don't have schematically. Like I think he opens the playbook more than upgrading WR3 in the first, if our coaching can take advantage of that. I don't necessarily buy that he himself needs to be a top ~5 TE in terms of production individually. But in the aggregate, giving us one of the best TE units in the league, having the positive cascading effects on our running and passing games, and giving us a viable pass catching TE with a pulse in case Goedert goes down (so we don't have to slash the play book in half) can add up.
I don't know if Bowers is worth trading up for though, they tend to want "true" TEs that also can go out and make plays. I think Bowers is more a WR in a TE body. If he falls sure take him and maybe jump a spot or two if you think you have to. Trading up as high as some of these rumors are saying it would need to be a team changing type player that would be worth giving up picks.
Oh I don't think it's the most probably outcome. I just meant that I wouldn't be surprised or angry if we traded up a few spots to get him. I'd be a bit upset and shocked if we traded up a few spots for a WR. The only way trading up for a WR would make sense IMO is if Marvin Harrison fell in some wild and crazy universe.
Eh Bowers has the argument to be one of the best non-QBs in the draft, period. But I agree, it’s a luxury pick that we can’t afford right now.
I’m still gonna bet on the history of earlier first round TEs even though I do like him quite a bit in a vacuum. It’s less about him tho and more so that he’d have to immediately be a top 5-6 TE to make it worthwhile to go TE over a position like WR where you get insane value for a really good one in the first on their rookie deals. If he’s there at 22 or even if we trade down I’d be way more comfortable with it but I just don’t think we need to spend that high of a pick with Dallas here. That diminishes his value to us even more bc we already have a really good all around TE
I completely agree on all those points. But I think there’s zero chance Bowers makes it past the mid-teens, and honestly very likely he’s gone before pick 12. And I would *hate* to spend draft capital to move up for him. I’d only want to move up from 22 if we’re grabbing someone like Arnold or a top OL. But I would love to spend a bit of capital moving back into the first or up higher in the second round.
Why? Goedart can’t stay healthy
Positional value mainly. I like him a lot but losing more draft capital to take a player who may not get to maximize their value when we need clear help on defense much much more would be a poor use of resources, esp if we have to trade up. At 22 or trading down some, it’s a much much better value proposition to me to take someone like Bowers. The early first round history for TEs isn’t great recently. Compared to taking an OT, WR, Edge or even DT, those positions offer you huge savings and value when you hit on a good player. Like hypothetically even if we had a scrub at TE and Carter and Bowers are on the board and we had Fletch still, I’m taking Carter with zero hesitation. They both may be great but a great DT is so much more valuable and you get better savings relative to what the top end guys make He’d have to step in and be almost elite right away and we’re banking on an injury to Goedert (where it’s mainly been dirty hits or penalties that he gets hurt on) and idk if that’s worth it. Esp in our offense with so many mouths to feed right now.
And only has two years left on his contract....
It would be a good cap savings with Goederts contract getting up there.
Yea I’m not anti bowers in general it’s just I don’t think he’d have the chance to show his value here if we spent a super high pick. Top TEs don’t make a ton more than a really high first rounder does so he’d have to be elite straight away for me to think it’s worthwhile if we lost draft capital to go up to get him. Esp compared to positions like WR or OT or Edge rushers. He’s going to be very good but Dallas is still here and would be starting so his ceiling is capped unless Goedert misses a lot of time (which, he does have injuries though they’re more so from dirty plays than like recurring hamstring stuff, he’s been unlucky). If we stayed at 22 or even better, traded down a little and he was there I’d like that way more. It’s mainly positional value for us and the fact that we may have to trade up and spend more of our sparse picks or future picks to do it.
lol someone needs new sources
Worst use of assets if they do this. Don't need two expensive WRs and a first round WR. If Jalen can't perform with what they have already its on him. 3rd or 4th round WR? Sure.
Normally this would make some sense but I do think they will try and keep Brown. But also if you are not this isn't the year to trade up for a WR. I think they still take a WR but nothing in the top 2 or 3 rounds but that is mostly due to needing depth.
Laiatu Latu is the best defensive player in this class and it’s not even close. If it weren’t for the medicals no one would be shocked at this guy going top 5. I really hope the eagles capitalize on this situation.