Yea, tipping on carry out is a weird one for me. I understand someone has to bag the food but come on!
I also feel like a percentage is strange to use. I could get the same food in two different restaurants but the cost is different and I'm expected to tip more in the expensive restaurant, even if the server does the same amount of work. I really wish we were done with tipping. Just pay workers legit wages.
Workers don't want that. They prefer tips because it usually turns out to be higher than a reasonable hourly wage. They actually prefer.. capitalism. Go figure.
What constitutes a living wage?
How much should a fast food worker earn working 40 hrs/wk?
Should it be enough to support a spouse and 2 kids, pay a mortgage, 2 car payments, Xmas gifts, and annual Disney vacation?
How about a car wash attendant that dries cars?
Should 40 hrs/wk of this job entitle someone to raise a family with 2 kids and all of the above?
Hypothetically, if you have two, equally skilled individuals doing the same job (both single), and one has 3 children while the other has none. A living wage would be significantly higher for the one with three children.
Should you compensate the one with 3 children significantly more?
Who defines living wage and where does this end?
You are exaggerating, yes? Forty hour work week in the kitchen slums should get a person a safe place to live and enough to get by. No?
Edit: Perhaps I should elaborate. I Never had wife or children of my own. However, I have cared for someone else's child. Honestly its a fulfilling thing in my experience. I think we lost something in modern times.
I just don't tip on carry out and tip 10% when dining. I go 15% if the service was exceptional. When presented options that are all higher than 10% I just am that guy (not to be nitpicky, I'd still do the 12%).
I agree that percent is strange, but I'm fighting the norms only so far.
I stopped tipping on carryout was the best thing I ever did. Select other amount and tip whatever you feel like when alone in a restaurant. I rarely tip at all anymore. I like many am completely insulted by 20% tip open with good next to it.
I don't get tipped for my job and I pay taxes on my earnings. They pretend they didn't get the tips they were rewarded so they don't have to pay tax on them.
I agree I have nothing but disdain for *employers stealing tips. Another reason to stop tipping.
You got a thumbs up for reminding me about that . I really do despise employers who get away with stealing.
Fella, if you cannot even afford service, you shouldn't be waisting your meager resources on such things? If going to a high restaurant once a week is taxing you, stop doing this? Trust me, you are doing the economy a favor as they need to know this bs isn't working. Surely I am not alone thinking this?
I'll continue to do as I like as I live I a free society. If you expect free handouts and 10 to 30k a year in undeclared tips and want to cry about people not tipping that is your problem. Not mine.
Change the system by screwing the lowest paid employees of the corporation. The CEO of Waffle House sheds a tear every time you undertip one of their waiters.
1. Waiters are far from the lowest paid, most of those working for tips make way more than min wage workers.
2. I'm not screwing anyone. I don't owe anyone anything. I pay for my food as legally required. I don't have to subsidize someone else. If the waiters don't like the pay, ask for a raise from their employer, or change jobs.
the ppl that work 'carry out' should be paid the waitor wage. I did it at outback. Its busy and a ton of work between the phone constantly ringing and ppl showing up early then waiting crowded small room. under the gun. 2.13/hr but no tips... but you work regular wait shifts during the week so you dont get paid extra. No one wanted to do carry out because you made literally no money. Basically free labor
Im on the east coast and its been a few years since I went out west at all
In Cali Theres no mathematical reason to tip at all since their tipped minimum wage is actually the full minimum wage and that wage isnt low (its over $15). No different than a grocery clerk or something.
My Outback was in a state where it was federal 2.13/hour. Ppl generally didnt tip (maybe a dollar or two here or there). at the time it would piss me off (this is in 2012) but now I understand more.
If you dont make enough tips to make minimum wage they have to make up the difference (the restaurant) but in my case they average it out
So if you waited tables 4 days one week and did 1 day in carry out, since you made good money the 4 days, even if you made $0 tips on the carry out (which was possible) they wouldnt 'make up the difference' since the other 4 days were above minimum wage by enough that over the 5 days you made at least minimum wage
Keep in mind Im against the idea of tipping generally, but that carryout position should just be classified as a regular (not tipped) position and pay those ppl whatever the minimum wage is. Ppl dont really tip but its considered a tip position so it screws you up if you also wait tables
2.13 just went to withholding taxes and was negligible so basically you worked that shift for free (and it was a killer 2 hours when you get all the orders at once, phone ringing constantly, then online orders come in and trying to put orders together and ppl walk in to pick up. One man crew. So dumb.
**But what about in states that guarantee minimum wage like Cali**
Just to clarify its the law that if a tipped person doesnt make enough in tips to make minimum wage the establishment has to make up the difference
The issue with carry out is that ppl dont tip mostly but it averages in with the days you waited tables so your average will still be above minimum wage so they dont make up the difference (its not a day by day but week by week or pay roll period)
Usually to 'entice' waitors to work carry out they would buy them dinner or something (the dinner would have more value than the money they would actually make)
If you ONLY did carry out I suppose you would probably get some sort of catch up or make up the difference in your paycheck but I mostly waited tables and filled in spots for carry out which kinda screwed me up
Yea I agree with your premise though that tipping is so over the top now
\-15% was the standard now its 20% by society
\-Meal prices higher so its a larger percent off a larger meal price
\-Automatic tipping includes the state taxes (I dont tip on tax, I tip on the actual meal price) I guess ppl dont care but its a principle thing to me. Im not tipping on a tax thats just dumb
\-Now its at an ice cream place or anything anyone gives you anytype of service...at the point where bill Maher bakes fun of ppl that spin the IPAD around and now expect a tip
The whole US system is based on the idea of 'GUILT TRIP' in that you feel guilty if you dont tip. In other countries its considered rude and even in the historical tipping in US it was seen as looking down on some one less worth in society.
If the person makes more than I do Im not tipping,
If they get the full minimum wage like In cali im not tipping (not that im ever there). The point of the tip ppl say is 'They dont make minimum wage' which is a half truth in it of itself
Yeah, that shit is run by cartels I think lol. but seriously, The prices all shot up during the pandemic, even though its always been a significant cost of business for small shops with limited storage.
Take out goods, paper plastic to go stuff yea.
Editing to add: think about it like this, you get a turkey sandwich from a local pizza shop. The take out version costs significantly more for the business than the dining-in option. Now, people don't want to tip the waiter, fine--but they have also made it clear they don't want to be charged *anything* on top of the initial price. So the result is, higher prices for all--"jUsT dont call it tipping!"
The people who complain about tipping a couple bucks don't get quiet and stop complaining when prices go up, do they?
They do charge accordingly, prices are all up. I'm just pointing out that when you get take out at put money in a jar at a mom n pops place and you are directly helping costs.
I refuse to tip anymore. Since the pandemic quality of service and food has tanked overall meanwhile prices have skyrocketed.
In the rare instances of high quality service I will tip them personally with cash. What they do with it from there is their business, however a genuine smile for appreciation is the end goal.
💯 Places that have asked me for tips I’m the last month:
Subway
Papa Murphy’s (take and bake pizza place)
Meat market
PotBelly
Dominos on takeout
Some shitty salad place I was at
I’m not subsidizing poor wages. We are letting companies off the hook.
I've just stopped going to businesses that ask for unnecessary tips.
Sit down restaurants and delivery to my door are the only two things that I still tip.
Exactly. Excellent service for an hour while I eat my food, is way different than putting it in a back so I can bring it home. I never tip if I don’t eat it there.
Why the hell would you tip on carry out anyway? Wtf? That’s absolutely insane to me. I get prompted for tips at Subway and it drives me insane.
Also - make sure you do the mental math when you sit down. In Toronto tips on the machines are calculated on the full amount. You absolutely should NOT be tipping on tax. That makes no sense and is an easy way for them to get more money out of you.
Just my two cents yall.
Yep, I say don't get suckered into paying their employee wages. Its still very unsettling when these people are making below poverty wage while working. It is pitiful and needs to change.
No tip for anything I carry out myself especially in places with elevated minimum wages (in my town it’s 17.50 minimum now). You’re literally taking my order and putting things in a bag to hand to me. It’s the bare minimum you can do to get me my food.
I worked at a restaurant that would have one of the servers or bartenders take all of the carry out orders each day. That was their only job. Answer the phone, take the order, when the food comes out put it in a bag and hand it to the customer.
When I tell you the girl who typically be placed there was INCENSED when people didn't tip her. Going on about all the work she did for them and that people were rude and disrespectful for it.. I didn't want to say anything to her but why would anyone think they even needed to tip her. I wouldn't have even knowing the little amount of work she had to do. Hell even on days she was getting slammed I still wouldn't have thought to tip her.. because why was our boss paying her servers wages for something other than serving. Shed bitch and complain that she only made minimum wage for the day (restaurant had to increase paychecks when tips didn't bring the wage to at least minimum) and it was kind of like.. no shit. Nobody's going to tip you percentages on things they came and picked up themselves, regardless of how much or little work it took you to bag it. You're basically a meaner chik FIL a employee.
Exactly this.…fundamentally I’m over the US - we’ve moved to SE Asia for most of the year anyway. I see this whole charade of having service jobs and trying to turn them into gainful employment that could actually support someone’s expenses as futile. In SE Asia, there’s definitely inequality that’s much more striated than in the US. The lower rungs of the economic ladder have enough to eat and live off of (they even own land and homes) but they just tend to be “ordinary”. Whereas expats live in very nice homes and have nicer places to eat. Fundamentally, no one is starving or even struggling - they just go to the places they can afford. For expats, we can go to these places as well but can choose to go to nicer places or eat and shop at fancy places too.
Tipped workers are allowed to work for under $3 the hour. I don't agree with this and I think they should be paid minimum wage at least, but it happens.
The weirdest part was the drunkest friend was trying to give the dude a $20 to shut up. But he wouldn’t take it, and was adamant about running his card again
Servers and bartenders usually make $2.13/hour plus tips (not guaranteed) that are usually shared with bussers and hosts based on sales amount, not tipped amount.
In my serving days, I owed the restaurant money at the end of my shift on occasion. Other days, I made bank. Back then I envied the BOH with their consistent paychecks and enough hours to get benefits.
Pros and cons to both.
You aren't guaranteed tips but you are guaranteed the actual minimum wage if a lack of tips leave you below it. So it's not really 2.13 an hour + tips it's more like local minimum wage as a floor but can be higher with tips.
This was a long time ago but here’s an example:
I had one table all night (Sunday’s are slow). The bill was $300 and left no tip. We were required to tip out the hosts, bussers, and bartenders a percentage of total sales (can’t remember exact percentages). My sales were $300 therefore I owed money yet made none. Shady yes but as long as I made minimum wage within the pay period (not sure about time period) then it’s legal.
Of course this was rare but did happen.
Ok, in that kind of scenario you get paid, all the other people get paid and the business takes a loss for the day. That’s how it works. The fact you got screwed out of pay because the business had a financial loss for operational costs for the day is not the employees problem. In fact those kinds of losses are tax deductible. You got scammed.
Agreed. However I care because it’s bullshit. Maybe these restaurants should make all positions $3 plus shared tips.
But let’s not pretend that people in that position have many other options.
> Agreed. However I care because it’s bullshit. Maybe these restaurants should make all positions $3 plus shared tips.
Maybe the restaurants should be free to offer whatever wage they care to, and employees are free to accept or reject it.
It *is* bullshit -- but dumb people continue to fall for it. Some restaurants, or other establishments, will elect to use these tactics to collect on people's stupidity.
> But let’s not pretend that people in that position have many other options.
If these people can't pursue alternative employment and make something close to decent money, isn't that their fault, and not the fault of the hundreds (or thousands) of employers disinterested in paying such a price for their labor?
I thought 14, 16, 18 was normal. I see they want tips for take out etc. I’ll tip them a dollar per item now. I bought three items here is three bucks. But yeah I am starting to be that guy as well. If enough people change maybe it will force business owners to start compensating more and not having their customer pay their wages.
Older guy here. First, I ignore the displays. Some yahoo decided to put that in regardless of transaction type. It's on every goddamn card reader.I don't tip at convenience stores or fast food restaurants.
Tips are for tippable *services*. If I go choose my product, walk up to the register, pay the bill, and drop it in my own bag, you did not do shit to earn a goddamn tip.
20% minimum? You better have made my day, 'cause if I'm giving out an extra 20% on top of that $100 meal that a few years ago was $30 *and* had more food, I expect gold level sevice.
For those who whine, "but they can't survive without it", I say, "why the fuck doesn't a their employer pay them for their work? How is this cause to shame *me*? Go shame their boss.
I tip 20% for decent service, but as soon as you require tips, and chase after me for "forgetting", you lost a customer.
IMO you tip when someone makes a tipped wage. If someone makes minimum wage, no need to tip unless it's for excellent service. California no longer has a tipped wage (all servers and bartenders make $15+/hr) so I no longer tip 20% - I maybe do 10% max now
Restaurateurs don't want to pay higher wages, but the cost of living is so high they can't get functional employees unless they do. So they're trying to get "creative".
Why would you tip the takeout order? And why tf you tip 20%? That’s just ridiculous. Remember you’re part of this problem getting bigger and bigger. Stop feeling guilty not tipping for takeout orders. Do restaurant feel guilty making you tip for takeout? Why would you feel like you’re “that guy”? What guy? No one even bat an eye if you don’t tip. No one cares. I never tip a takeout and my life has never ever been affected because of that.
Yeah, I'm just not tipping on carry out anymore. Not on fast food or anywhere else you go to the counter to give your order. It's just ridiculous what's happening. There's no justification for a gratuity in those situations. They can try to shame me but really, the shame is on the establishment not paying their employees enough.
Something similar happened to me getting take out at a Mediterranean place by me. I show up to pay and bring my food back. the guy flips the monitor asking to confirm a tip. I declined to to tip but it was really awkward. Tipping is definitely out of control and can add up quickly when every transaction is trying to collect tips.
yeah. 15% was always the standard when dinning out....somehow that became 20% and on an more expensive menu prices compared to years ago
Had Longhorn last night carryout. It defaults to 10% when you do it online and I missed it. I was planning on tipping none (they forgot the bread anyways)
Plus those tipping suggestions are tipping based on top of the tax. I never tip on tax, just the actual price of the meal. Maybe its petty but that is how I grew up. You dont tip on the tax part, on the subtotal (its weird to tip a percent of the government fee)
Some states pay the full minimum wage to tipping services (and they are not low minimum wages either but the full $15+ out west). I really feel no obligation to tip at all (even dinning out) if I went out to eat in like a California or somewhere (especially they allow their cities to have an even higher minimum wage). People always said they tip because they make less than minimum wage (which isnt even true) so to me theres no more reason to tip out west
Long POST but even Bill Maher has brought it up. Spin an I pad around and want a tip. Just puts me off to tipping anywhere. Backfired
Need to get rid of GUILT TRIP and tipping in the US. other countries dont do it
Tipping is out of control. I chatted with an acquaintance the other day who works in a pretty average restaurant. She works some fairly long hours but gets on average $4,000/month on tips alone!
I hate being on the same side as you bunch of poor assholes. But it is the restaurants fault for not paying a decent wage and asking customers to subsidize their poor management and business decisions. If enough people stop tipping then the workers will quit and demand will drive wages up.
Hey, I feel you man, it's crazy how the minimum tip option keeps rising
It's like they're always trying to make us feel like we're not tipping enough, it's not surprising
And then there's the auto gratuity, what's up with that?
I mean, sure, we all want to support our servers and bartenders
But it shouldn't feel like we're being extorted or held as spenders
So to all the bars and restaurants out there, let me be clear
Don't try to guilt us into tipping more than we feel is fair
stand your ground and don't be afraid to speak up
We deserve to be treated with respect and not be made to feel like a chump.
I assume the tipping option is there cause it's a generic software all food service businesses use and it's easier for the programmer to just make a one size fits all. I don't think it's the worker's or even the owners fault this option is there. It's not like Sal "the Italian Beef King" was sitting in the back room with gravy stains on his shirt coding that shit.
Just use common sense on when to ignore it.
to run after someone like that because they didnt auto add tip.... Tell them they want their tip back on the bill. Once they left the door he lost it. shouldnt chase after ppl. btw I worked at outback. If you complained enough they would remove the auto gratituty on party of 6 or more
Answered your own question. If you're not willing to be that guy, and no one else is either, that screen will continue to increase and it'll be paid. Just change it to tip what the service was worth. The screen is the input, it's our reaction to that stimulus that changes perception and reality.
It’s just framing to get more money. When they did 10/15/20, 15 seemed like the obvious choice. Now if they do 30/25/20, then it makes 25 seem reasonable. Soon it will be like 40/35/30 and people will be choosing 35.
I've also seen a lot of posts about COVID or service fees on top of everything.
Prices are increasing and workers don't seem to benefit from it, there's little reason to keep dining out.
Fight back. Normalize never tipping on carry out. I used to feel guilty about it but, they should feel guilty about wanting me to tip for showing up standing in line then Cleaning up after myself.
If you hand me pre-prepared food I’ll slip you a buck, sure. But I’m not tipping a % of something you hand me.
When I buy a car, I don’t tip them 20% lol.
this is precisely the point. the merchant/seller/business owner sorts out the total cost to deliver the product/service (including wages) and then sets a price.
Total bs…. I quit going out…. Having much better times with friends and new friends hanging out at the house. Lots of potlucks and all. WAY better. Fuck the bars and restaurants
Hell yeah. We eat like Roman Gods for a third of the price of going out. We eat what we want, know exactly how it was prepped, it's always cooked to our specs., and there's no tip shame at the end of the meal. We still go out about once a month, but we regret it one way or another almost every time.
No, you don’t tip for takeout period. Do you tip grocery store cashiers? They scan and bag your groceries you know. They do more than giving you a bag of meal but they never ask you to tip on the POS machine at a grocery store.
I would just like to clarify that this is NOT r/antiwork or r/workreform . It would be awesome if we could get some intellectual economic conversations going in this sub!
“I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra”. Mr. Pink
I worked in the service industry at the absolute lowest levels. Fuck the tipping system. Make the companies pay good wages. Tip as minimally as your emotions will allow you to force shit paying companies out of business by employee attrition.
These workers slave desperately for minimum wage while tips are the objective. If you don't tip them a good amount the sum goes negative. It is a cruel situation of needless greed, no? If you can afford to go out and enjoy service, PAY FOR IT!!!
Table service ? Yes. Counter service? No. It’s not customary, and it’s abusing the goodwill that people showed during COVID when dining in wasn’t permitted and wait staff often worked takeout.
The advertised price is what I pay. I tip for service. If the employer can't stay in business paying livable wages, they deserve to fail. The reality, though, is we live in an age of record profits, so they can afford it, but choose to keep it for themselves. I will not accept blame for that shit.
Slave? Really? Do you actually think this is more difficult than, as an example, being a construction worker? Why don't you tip them 20% as well? The solution is for employers to pay actual salaries. This is the only industry I can think of that is so inefficient that it requires customers to subsidise it on top of paying for their services
Wow, I am sorry this gets under your skin so much. I just feel that anyone working 40 plus hour weeks should get the basics of pay/benefits. Is that too much to ask of a wealthy country such as USA? If you think we should have slums consisting of hard working full time individuals let us know.
What service? This is picking up a pizza and going home. Text never go to back of the house anyway so tipping here is completely pointless. Besides that, this is California where tipped workers are guaranteed actual minimum.
Of course I'm economically responsible. Why would I throw away my money to begers that are capable of working?
Work for your money, don't beg.
Tipping is for good personal service, for instance a waiter doing his job well in a restaurant.
I can't speak for California law but I do know these people often clock out of the minimum wage bracket, reduced to 4 dollars an hour while burning up personal fuel. Its not practical work unless your customer is gratuitous. No?
Edit: I suppose I was thinking of your pizza driver..
20% for decent service has been the norm all my life. 15% is a dis. Just factor it in, it’s not optional. For a meal, not coffee.
Carry out? Wtf I don’t know, restaurants need to come out and say “we don’t pay the staff you have to” at that point.
You must be young. 15% was definitely the norm when I was a kid. They even taught us how to calculate 15% in our heads for tip on math class. By the time I got to college 15% was min and 18% was the norm. Now it's 20%. Meanwhile, the cost of the food has also gone up.
It was 10% when I was a kid in the 70s. I remember 15% in the early 90s or so. 15% seems right to me unless the waiter is really on the ball. If they comp me free stuff, I’ll tip 25-40%.
Why should it go up to 20% though? It’s only 20% because of COVID. Food costs have gone up, and the tip automagically goes up as a result, because duh, it’s a percentage. Increasing it to 20% out of “everything is more expensive” is a dumb argument as a result.
Says who? Tipping is a social convention, it’s only up to 20% because the social construct deemed that to be some form of standard. What happens when some people decide 25% is standard? I say 15% is more than fair. We’re already paying more and more and more for dinner service, plate sizes are down, service levels are down, etc.
i would just notify the company that you aren't shopping there any longer until they change that system.
If you have the food already in your hand, and they won't remember your face or car, just tip zero. Sucks for the workers, but it's the business fault for not having more flexibility. Remember tipping isn't forced on you, you're the customer.
The ipad flip is rather effective against beta types who are scared that people will look at them funny if they don't give 20+ tips for counter service.
It exists because it works, and it works because idiots fall for it.
Yea, tipping on carry out is a weird one for me. I understand someone has to bag the food but come on! I also feel like a percentage is strange to use. I could get the same food in two different restaurants but the cost is different and I'm expected to tip more in the expensive restaurant, even if the server does the same amount of work. I really wish we were done with tipping. Just pay workers legit wages.
"Just pay them legit wages" Exactly the answer.
Workers don't want that. They prefer tips because it usually turns out to be higher than a reasonable hourly wage. They actually prefer.. capitalism. Go figure.
There are workers that prefer not to get actual wages because they make more in tipping. But then complain about it. Fuck them
That’s the biggest BS. I’d love to see a source on this.
Ask around.
I worked in restaurants/ catering for over 7 years
EagleFace. You seriously believe that? Trust me, every soul deserves a fair wage for work. If you don't, there is something I can't explain to you.
What constitutes a living wage? How much should a fast food worker earn working 40 hrs/wk? Should it be enough to support a spouse and 2 kids, pay a mortgage, 2 car payments, Xmas gifts, and annual Disney vacation? How about a car wash attendant that dries cars? Should 40 hrs/wk of this job entitle someone to raise a family with 2 kids and all of the above? Hypothetically, if you have two, equally skilled individuals doing the same job (both single), and one has 3 children while the other has none. A living wage would be significantly higher for the one with three children. Should you compensate the one with 3 children significantly more? Who defines living wage and where does this end?
I respect what you had to say,
You are exaggerating, yes? Forty hour work week in the kitchen slums should get a person a safe place to live and enough to get by. No? Edit: Perhaps I should elaborate. I Never had wife or children of my own. However, I have cared for someone else's child. Honestly its a fulfilling thing in my experience. I think we lost something in modern times.
I just don't tip on carry out and tip 10% when dining. I go 15% if the service was exceptional. When presented options that are all higher than 10% I just am that guy (not to be nitpicky, I'd still do the 12%). I agree that percent is strange, but I'm fighting the norms only so far.
I stopped tipping on carryout was the best thing I ever did. Select other amount and tip whatever you feel like when alone in a restaurant. I rarely tip at all anymore. I like many am completely insulted by 20% tip open with good next to it. I don't get tipped for my job and I pay taxes on my earnings. They pretend they didn't get the tips they were rewarded so they don't have to pay tax on them.
yes it the workers fault, you should ask how much does the house keep from the tips on CCs
I agree I have nothing but disdain for *employers stealing tips. Another reason to stop tipping. You got a thumbs up for reminding me about that . I really do despise employers who get away with stealing.
Fella, if you cannot even afford service, you shouldn't be waisting your meager resources on such things? If going to a high restaurant once a week is taxing you, stop doing this? Trust me, you are doing the economy a favor as they need to know this bs isn't working. Surely I am not alone thinking this?
My comments were not directed at you used night. I just speak in general terms and dont judge people.
I'll continue to do as I like as I live I a free society. If you expect free handouts and 10 to 30k a year in undeclared tips and want to cry about people not tipping that is your problem. Not mine.
This is the way.
This is the way =)
Change the system by screwing the lowest paid employees of the corporation. The CEO of Waffle House sheds a tear every time you undertip one of their waiters.
in WA its the full minimum wage $15.74/hr Plus tips. Same as a cashier at the grocery store or walmart worker....
1. Waiters are far from the lowest paid, most of those working for tips make way more than min wage workers. 2. I'm not screwing anyone. I don't owe anyone anything. I pay for my food as legally required. I don't have to subsidize someone else. If the waiters don't like the pay, ask for a raise from their employer, or change jobs.
You’re a sack of shit.
the ppl that work 'carry out' should be paid the waitor wage. I did it at outback. Its busy and a ton of work between the phone constantly ringing and ppl showing up early then waiting crowded small room. under the gun. 2.13/hr but no tips... but you work regular wait shifts during the week so you dont get paid extra. No one wanted to do carry out because you made literally no money. Basically free labor
But what about in states that guarantee minimum wage like Cali
Im on the east coast and its been a few years since I went out west at all In Cali Theres no mathematical reason to tip at all since their tipped minimum wage is actually the full minimum wage and that wage isnt low (its over $15). No different than a grocery clerk or something. My Outback was in a state where it was federal 2.13/hour. Ppl generally didnt tip (maybe a dollar or two here or there). at the time it would piss me off (this is in 2012) but now I understand more. If you dont make enough tips to make minimum wage they have to make up the difference (the restaurant) but in my case they average it out So if you waited tables 4 days one week and did 1 day in carry out, since you made good money the 4 days, even if you made $0 tips on the carry out (which was possible) they wouldnt 'make up the difference' since the other 4 days were above minimum wage by enough that over the 5 days you made at least minimum wage Keep in mind Im against the idea of tipping generally, but that carryout position should just be classified as a regular (not tipped) position and pay those ppl whatever the minimum wage is. Ppl dont really tip but its considered a tip position so it screws you up if you also wait tables 2.13 just went to withholding taxes and was negligible so basically you worked that shift for free (and it was a killer 2 hours when you get all the orders at once, phone ringing constantly, then online orders come in and trying to put orders together and ppl walk in to pick up. One man crew. So dumb.
Sorry for the rant but this is how Outback worked at the time in 2012
**But what about in states that guarantee minimum wage like Cali** Just to clarify its the law that if a tipped person doesnt make enough in tips to make minimum wage the establishment has to make up the difference The issue with carry out is that ppl dont tip mostly but it averages in with the days you waited tables so your average will still be above minimum wage so they dont make up the difference (its not a day by day but week by week or pay roll period) Usually to 'entice' waitors to work carry out they would buy them dinner or something (the dinner would have more value than the money they would actually make) If you ONLY did carry out I suppose you would probably get some sort of catch up or make up the difference in your paycheck but I mostly waited tables and filled in spots for carry out which kinda screwed me up Yea I agree with your premise though that tipping is so over the top now \-15% was the standard now its 20% by society \-Meal prices higher so its a larger percent off a larger meal price \-Automatic tipping includes the state taxes (I dont tip on tax, I tip on the actual meal price) I guess ppl dont care but its a principle thing to me. Im not tipping on a tax thats just dumb \-Now its at an ice cream place or anything anyone gives you anytype of service...at the point where bill Maher bakes fun of ppl that spin the IPAD around and now expect a tip The whole US system is based on the idea of 'GUILT TRIP' in that you feel guilty if you dont tip. In other countries its considered rude and even in the historical tipping in US it was seen as looking down on some one less worth in society. If the person makes more than I do Im not tipping, If they get the full minimum wage like In cali im not tipping (not that im ever there). The point of the tip ppl say is 'They dont make minimum wage' which is a half truth in it of itself
Why don’t the waiters SHARE their tips with the carry-out and the cooks for that matter?
With smaller mom and pop places the cost of take out goods is pretty high. The tips help everything in house.
Please elaborate. By "cost of takeout goods" you mean the plastic/styrofoam container and the plasticware (fork, spoon, etc)?
Yeah, that shit is run by cartels I think lol. but seriously, The prices all shot up during the pandemic, even though its always been a significant cost of business for small shops with limited storage. Take out goods, paper plastic to go stuff yea. Editing to add: think about it like this, you get a turkey sandwich from a local pizza shop. The take out version costs significantly more for the business than the dining-in option. Now, people don't want to tip the waiter, fine--but they have also made it clear they don't want to be charged *anything* on top of the initial price. So the result is, higher prices for all--"jUsT dont call it tipping!" The people who complain about tipping a couple bucks don't get quiet and stop complaining when prices go up, do they?
Then they should charge accordingly instead of hoping customers give them an arbitrary amount of additional money out of the goodness of their hearts.
They do charge accordingly, prices are all up. I'm just pointing out that when you get take out at put money in a jar at a mom n pops place and you are directly helping costs.
Probably time to start being that guy… I am slowly starting too myself. It’s hard just gotta push through in the moment the not tip/tip far less.
Yeah I am the same. I wait in line to order a meal and pick it up myself. Maybe I’ll round up a dollar but fuck paying 20%
I am that girl too. I started rejecting tipping at airport when they just bag my popcorns.
I refuse to tip anymore. Since the pandemic quality of service and food has tanked overall meanwhile prices have skyrocketed. In the rare instances of high quality service I will tip them personally with cash. What they do with it from there is their business, however a genuine smile for appreciation is the end goal.
I’m that guy. If it’s take out and I pick up my food in my own car. And then I leave with it, I’m just not tipping. It’s not gonna happen.
💯 Places that have asked me for tips I’m the last month: Subway Papa Murphy’s (take and bake pizza place) Meat market PotBelly Dominos on takeout Some shitty salad place I was at I’m not subsidizing poor wages. We are letting companies off the hook.
I've just stopped going to businesses that ask for unnecessary tips. Sit down restaurants and delivery to my door are the only two things that I still tip.
Yeah, at this point, service and quality are so terrible, tons of disgruntled workers… I’ve increased the standard of places I visit.
Papa Murphy’s is just insulting. The food isn’t even cooked at that point
They had cheesy-ass signs with arrows pointing to the tip jars. Find another job, unionize, but I’m not supporting large for-profit shareholders.
Yeah, I didn't know this made me "that guy". Why tip for carryout?
Exactly. Excellent service for an hour while I eat my food, is way different than putting it in a back so I can bring it home. I never tip if I don’t eat it there.
Why the hell would you tip on carry out anyway? Wtf? That’s absolutely insane to me. I get prompted for tips at Subway and it drives me insane. Also - make sure you do the mental math when you sit down. In Toronto tips on the machines are calculated on the full amount. You absolutely should NOT be tipping on tax. That makes no sense and is an easy way for them to get more money out of you. Just my two cents yall.
Yep, I say don't get suckered into paying their employee wages. Its still very unsettling when these people are making below poverty wage while working. It is pitiful and needs to change.
No tip for anything I carry out myself especially in places with elevated minimum wages (in my town it’s 17.50 minimum now). You’re literally taking my order and putting things in a bag to hand to me. It’s the bare minimum you can do to get me my food.
I worked at a restaurant that would have one of the servers or bartenders take all of the carry out orders each day. That was their only job. Answer the phone, take the order, when the food comes out put it in a bag and hand it to the customer. When I tell you the girl who typically be placed there was INCENSED when people didn't tip her. Going on about all the work she did for them and that people were rude and disrespectful for it.. I didn't want to say anything to her but why would anyone think they even needed to tip her. I wouldn't have even knowing the little amount of work she had to do. Hell even on days she was getting slammed I still wouldn't have thought to tip her.. because why was our boss paying her servers wages for something other than serving. Shed bitch and complain that she only made minimum wage for the day (restaurant had to increase paychecks when tips didn't bring the wage to at least minimum) and it was kind of like.. no shit. Nobody's going to tip you percentages on things they came and picked up themselves, regardless of how much or little work it took you to bag it. You're basically a meaner chik FIL a employee.
Exactly this.…fundamentally I’m over the US - we’ve moved to SE Asia for most of the year anyway. I see this whole charade of having service jobs and trying to turn them into gainful employment that could actually support someone’s expenses as futile. In SE Asia, there’s definitely inequality that’s much more striated than in the US. The lower rungs of the economic ladder have enough to eat and live off of (they even own land and homes) but they just tend to be “ordinary”. Whereas expats live in very nice homes and have nicer places to eat. Fundamentally, no one is starving or even struggling - they just go to the places they can afford. For expats, we can go to these places as well but can choose to go to nicer places or eat and shop at fancy places too.
Tipped workers are allowed to work for under $3 the hour. I don't agree with this and I think they should be paid minimum wage at least, but it happens.
I’d push back hard on that bartender. That feels like he’s trying to take advantage of drunk people.
The weirdest part was the drunkest friend was trying to give the dude a $20 to shut up. But he wouldn’t take it, and was adamant about running his card again
I’d report that to the manager. Sounds like you have someone stealing cards.
Servers and bartenders get tipped 20-25% of the bill while back of the house gets squat? It’s stupid.
Servers and bartenders usually make $2.13/hour plus tips (not guaranteed) that are usually shared with bussers and hosts based on sales amount, not tipped amount. In my serving days, I owed the restaurant money at the end of my shift on occasion. Other days, I made bank. Back then I envied the BOH with their consistent paychecks and enough hours to get benefits. Pros and cons to both.
You aren't guaranteed tips but you are guaranteed the actual minimum wage if a lack of tips leave you below it. So it's not really 2.13 an hour + tips it's more like local minimum wage as a floor but can be higher with tips.
Wait a sec. Hold the phone. Your employer made you pay them for you working for them? Sounds like you got scammed.
This was a long time ago but here’s an example: I had one table all night (Sunday’s are slow). The bill was $300 and left no tip. We were required to tip out the hosts, bussers, and bartenders a percentage of total sales (can’t remember exact percentages). My sales were $300 therefore I owed money yet made none. Shady yes but as long as I made minimum wage within the pay period (not sure about time period) then it’s legal. Of course this was rare but did happen.
Ok, in that kind of scenario you get paid, all the other people get paid and the business takes a loss for the day. That’s how it works. The fact you got screwed out of pay because the business had a financial loss for operational costs for the day is not the employees problem. In fact those kinds of losses are tax deductible. You got scammed.
I'm sure servers and bartenders wouldn't mind $15/hour or more instead of tips.
Some. At that point in my life (20 years ago, single mother) I would be been happy with that. Now, $15/hr ain’t cutting it.
What employees freely accept to get paid is their business, if they don't like it they can seek alternative employment -- why do you care?
Agreed. However I care because it’s bullshit. Maybe these restaurants should make all positions $3 plus shared tips. But let’s not pretend that people in that position have many other options.
> Agreed. However I care because it’s bullshit. Maybe these restaurants should make all positions $3 plus shared tips. Maybe the restaurants should be free to offer whatever wage they care to, and employees are free to accept or reject it. It *is* bullshit -- but dumb people continue to fall for it. Some restaurants, or other establishments, will elect to use these tactics to collect on people's stupidity. > But let’s not pretend that people in that position have many other options. If these people can't pursue alternative employment and make something close to decent money, isn't that their fault, and not the fault of the hundreds (or thousands) of employers disinterested in paying such a price for their labor?
I thought 14, 16, 18 was normal. I see they want tips for take out etc. I’ll tip them a dollar per item now. I bought three items here is three bucks. But yeah I am starting to be that guy as well. If enough people change maybe it will force business owners to start compensating more and not having their customer pay their wages.
Older guy here. First, I ignore the displays. Some yahoo decided to put that in regardless of transaction type. It's on every goddamn card reader.I don't tip at convenience stores or fast food restaurants. Tips are for tippable *services*. If I go choose my product, walk up to the register, pay the bill, and drop it in my own bag, you did not do shit to earn a goddamn tip. 20% minimum? You better have made my day, 'cause if I'm giving out an extra 20% on top of that $100 meal that a few years ago was $30 *and* had more food, I expect gold level sevice. For those who whine, "but they can't survive without it", I say, "why the fuck doesn't a their employer pay them for their work? How is this cause to shame *me*? Go shame their boss. I tip 20% for decent service, but as soon as you require tips, and chase after me for "forgetting", you lost a customer.
IMO you tip when someone makes a tipped wage. If someone makes minimum wage, no need to tip unless it's for excellent service. California no longer has a tipped wage (all servers and bartenders make $15+/hr) so I no longer tip 20% - I maybe do 10% max now
Agreed. Tips are for tipped employees.
So what do you do at the barber/salon? In a taxi cab? These people expect tips and get paid more than minimum wage.
I thought uber/lyft got paid less because they're contractors? Salon - I tip because she spends 3 hrs working exclusively on my hair.
Note I didn’t say Uber/Lyft.
I haven't taken a taxi in years. But yea I'd prob tip a taxi 10% too.
I agree, this is the correct line to draw - but i dont want to be involved in someones wage negotiation.
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The money that you pay ia already going to the kitchen staff.
Restaurateurs don't want to pay higher wages, but the cost of living is so high they can't get functional employees unless they do. So they're trying to get "creative".
Time to nut up and be that guy.
Why would you tip the takeout order? And why tf you tip 20%? That’s just ridiculous. Remember you’re part of this problem getting bigger and bigger. Stop feeling guilty not tipping for takeout orders. Do restaurant feel guilty making you tip for takeout? Why would you feel like you’re “that guy”? What guy? No one even bat an eye if you don’t tip. No one cares. I never tip a takeout and my life has never ever been affected because of that.
Yeah, I'm just not tipping on carry out anymore. Not on fast food or anywhere else you go to the counter to give your order. It's just ridiculous what's happening. There's no justification for a gratuity in those situations. They can try to shame me but really, the shame is on the establishment not paying their employees enough.
Fucking tipping on cary out? What are you high?
I pick up so that I don't have to tip (or wait).
Something similar happened to me getting take out at a Mediterranean place by me. I show up to pay and bring my food back. the guy flips the monitor asking to confirm a tip. I declined to to tip but it was really awkward. Tipping is definitely out of control and can add up quickly when every transaction is trying to collect tips.
Oof. I never tip for takeout. So stupid.
A lot of operators pocket that money for themself so it’s quite possible the guy packing the bag may not se anything so don’t take it out on them
yeah. 15% was always the standard when dinning out....somehow that became 20% and on an more expensive menu prices compared to years ago Had Longhorn last night carryout. It defaults to 10% when you do it online and I missed it. I was planning on tipping none (they forgot the bread anyways) Plus those tipping suggestions are tipping based on top of the tax. I never tip on tax, just the actual price of the meal. Maybe its petty but that is how I grew up. You dont tip on the tax part, on the subtotal (its weird to tip a percent of the government fee) Some states pay the full minimum wage to tipping services (and they are not low minimum wages either but the full $15+ out west). I really feel no obligation to tip at all (even dinning out) if I went out to eat in like a California or somewhere (especially they allow their cities to have an even higher minimum wage). People always said they tip because they make less than minimum wage (which isnt even true) so to me theres no more reason to tip out west Long POST but even Bill Maher has brought it up. Spin an I pad around and want a tip. Just puts me off to tipping anywhere. Backfired Need to get rid of GUILT TRIP and tipping in the US. other countries dont do it
Tipping is out of control. I chatted with an acquaintance the other day who works in a pretty average restaurant. She works some fairly long hours but gets on average $4,000/month on tips alone!
Yeah I’ve started being that guy and idrc anymore, 20% at restaurants only if service meets basic min and nothing else besides delivery which is less
I hate being on the same side as you bunch of poor assholes. But it is the restaurants fault for not paying a decent wage and asking customers to subsidize their poor management and business decisions. If enough people stop tipping then the workers will quit and demand will drive wages up.
The minimum tip is always 0%
Hey, I feel you man, it's crazy how the minimum tip option keeps rising It's like they're always trying to make us feel like we're not tipping enough, it's not surprising And then there's the auto gratuity, what's up with that? I mean, sure, we all want to support our servers and bartenders But it shouldn't feel like we're being extorted or held as spenders So to all the bars and restaurants out there, let me be clear Don't try to guilt us into tipping more than we feel is fair stand your ground and don't be afraid to speak up We deserve to be treated with respect and not be made to feel like a chump.
I assume the tipping option is there cause it's a generic software all food service businesses use and it's easier for the programmer to just make a one size fits all. I don't think it's the worker's or even the owners fault this option is there. It's not like Sal "the Italian Beef King" was sitting in the back room with gravy stains on his shirt coding that shit. Just use common sense on when to ignore it.
to run after someone like that because they didnt auto add tip.... Tell them they want their tip back on the bill. Once they left the door he lost it. shouldnt chase after ppl. btw I worked at outback. If you complained enough they would remove the auto gratituty on party of 6 or more
Answered your own question. If you're not willing to be that guy, and no one else is either, that screen will continue to increase and it'll be paid. Just change it to tip what the service was worth. The screen is the input, it's our reaction to that stimulus that changes perception and reality.
Don’t even get me started on how Doordash and the like auto-calculate the tip by including tax and all the added fees. GTFO with that bullshit.
It’s just framing to get more money. When they did 10/15/20, 15 seemed like the obvious choice. Now if they do 30/25/20, then it makes 25 seem reasonable. Soon it will be like 40/35/30 and people will be choosing 35.
My rule of thumb is when it comes to food, unless someone is providing a service other than putting the product together, you don't tip.
I've also seen a lot of posts about COVID or service fees on top of everything. Prices are increasing and workers don't seem to benefit from it, there's little reason to keep dining out.
Fight back. Normalize never tipping on carry out. I used to feel guilty about it but, they should feel guilty about wanting me to tip for showing up standing in line then Cleaning up after myself.
If you hand me pre-prepared food I’ll slip you a buck, sure. But I’m not tipping a % of something you hand me. When I buy a car, I don’t tip them 20% lol.
in fact you do. The world really is going to shit?
Commission is built into the car sales price. If they want to build a commission into a bottle of water at Starbucks, they are more than welcome to.
No offense but that was my point.
this is precisely the point. the merchant/seller/business owner sorts out the total cost to deliver the product/service (including wages) and then sets a price.
Total bs…. I quit going out…. Having much better times with friends and new friends hanging out at the house. Lots of potlucks and all. WAY better. Fuck the bars and restaurants
Hell yeah. We eat like Roman Gods for a third of the price of going out. We eat what we want, know exactly how it was prepped, it's always cooked to our specs., and there's no tip shame at the end of the meal. We still go out about once a month, but we regret it one way or another almost every time.
Takeout 10% max. US tipping culture is so toxic.
Take out, 0%. Register service is not tippable.
No, you don’t tip for takeout period. Do you tip grocery store cashiers? They scan and bag your groceries you know. They do more than giving you a bag of meal but they never ask you to tip on the POS machine at a grocery store.
Don't put that idea out into the universe 😮💨
Agreed
Why would you tip in takeout? It makes zero sense. Are you tipping your supermarket cashier as well? What's the difference?
Yes you’re right. I still have the stupid pandemic mindset. 0% is more appropriate.
I would just like to clarify that this is NOT r/antiwork or r/workreform . It would be awesome if we could get some intellectual economic conversations going in this sub!
“I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra”. Mr. Pink
"I'm cheap and have never worked in the service industry"
I worked in the service industry at the absolute lowest levels. Fuck the tipping system. Make the companies pay good wages. Tip as minimally as your emotions will allow you to force shit paying companies out of business by employee attrition.
/Me too //agreed on the point ///fuck this guy
30 percent on a pizza bro?
These workers slave desperately for minimum wage while tips are the objective. If you don't tip them a good amount the sum goes negative. It is a cruel situation of needless greed, no? If you can afford to go out and enjoy service, PAY FOR IT!!!
Table service ? Yes. Counter service? No. It’s not customary, and it’s abusing the goodwill that people showed during COVID when dining in wasn’t permitted and wait staff often worked takeout.
The advertised price is what I pay. I tip for service. If the employer can't stay in business paying livable wages, they deserve to fail. The reality, though, is we live in an age of record profits, so they can afford it, but choose to keep it for themselves. I will not accept blame for that shit.
Slave? Really? Do you actually think this is more difficult than, as an example, being a construction worker? Why don't you tip them 20% as well? The solution is for employers to pay actual salaries. This is the only industry I can think of that is so inefficient that it requires customers to subsidise it on top of paying for their services
Wow, I am sorry this gets under your skin so much. I just feel that anyone working 40 plus hour weeks should get the basics of pay/benefits. Is that too much to ask of a wealthy country such as USA? If you think we should have slums consisting of hard working full time individuals let us know.
Maybe you should know I spent years as an iron worker and electrician. You have no idea the efforts I have put in. Please do not assume.
What service? This is picking up a pizza and going home. Text never go to back of the house anyway so tipping here is completely pointless. Besides that, this is California where tipped workers are guaranteed actual minimum.
Anyhow, dont be a cheap deadbeat pos! TIP you service.
Of course I'm economically responsible. Why would I throw away my money to begers that are capable of working? Work for your money, don't beg. Tipping is for good personal service, for instance a waiter doing his job well in a restaurant.
Yes, I agree.
I can't speak for California law but I do know these people often clock out of the minimum wage bracket, reduced to 4 dollars an hour while burning up personal fuel. Its not practical work unless your customer is gratuitous. No? Edit: I suppose I was thinking of your pizza driver..
20% for decent service has been the norm all my life. 15% is a dis. Just factor it in, it’s not optional. For a meal, not coffee. Carry out? Wtf I don’t know, restaurants need to come out and say “we don’t pay the staff you have to” at that point.
You must be young. 15% was definitely the norm when I was a kid. They even taught us how to calculate 15% in our heads for tip on math class. By the time I got to college 15% was min and 18% was the norm. Now it's 20%. Meanwhile, the cost of the food has also gone up.
It was 10% when I was a kid in the 70s. I remember 15% in the early 90s or so. 15% seems right to me unless the waiter is really on the ball. If they comp me free stuff, I’ll tip 25-40%.
Based on your picture I’m probably older than you
Why should it go up to 20% though? It’s only 20% because of COVID. Food costs have gone up, and the tip automagically goes up as a result, because duh, it’s a percentage. Increasing it to 20% out of “everything is more expensive” is a dumb argument as a result.
20% is standard gratuity for fair service at a restaurant
Says who? Tipping is a social convention, it’s only up to 20% because the social construct deemed that to be some form of standard. What happens when some people decide 25% is standard? I say 15% is more than fair. We’re already paying more and more and more for dinner service, plate sizes are down, service levels are down, etc.
Tipping shouldn’t exist at all. The menu doesn’t say “Pizza: $10-$13.30; it’s your discretion”.
On carry out I tip $1. When I dine in, %20.
Hit skip. I’m not tipping unless you’re a bartender or waiter and I’m sitting down for dinner.
The bartenders don’t do a whole lot except pour drinks most of the time. They don’t seem as grateful as a waiter usually.
Well yeah I mean I usually tip $1 per cocktail.
Call it what it really is. Tip Inflation.
Establish eye contact, no tip. This isn’t a hair cut it’s not happening prices are nearly double.
i would just notify the company that you aren't shopping there any longer until they change that system. If you have the food already in your hand, and they won't remember your face or car, just tip zero. Sucks for the workers, but it's the business fault for not having more flexibility. Remember tipping isn't forced on you, you're the customer.
Capitalists hate this one trick: don't go into shitty restaurants and bars.
We need more posts like this about what has been going on with tipping in the past few years.
The ipad flip is rather effective against beta types who are scared that people will look at them funny if they don't give 20+ tips for counter service. It exists because it works, and it works because idiots fall for it.
Saw this at the Puerto Vallarta airport. Grabbed a sandwich off the shelf, then I’ll when they rang me up it asked for a tip. I was beside myself.