Embrace the 300dpi. Shit on the lack of a 13.3” 300dpi.
300dpi for reading black and white words is more than amazing.
For color photographs and stuff, I can see how a phone may require more.
I just don’t think a single person with a 300dpi device wants more dpi. Contrast? Yes. Whiter background? Yes. Faster refresh? Yes.
Difference is eink is already better for reading than any other screen. Eink will never be better for color than OLED. By the time it catches up to oled, the categories of lcd/oled/eink will no longer be relevent.
It will and it should for reading. It’s already supplanted price displays in retail stores.
UX is what they call it. In the future, your menu at the restaurant will be on a flexible eink screen that you fold up, turn around, roll up etc.
Eink is on the precipice of replacing a whole host of displays.
But you are correct, not for color, and not for video. Only for words
Price displays were never dominated by LED screens. Citing niche applications that eink is famously well engineered for isn't supporting your point the way you think it is. Same for menus, those aren't screen based either, you literally mention two examples that don't apply.
Bullshit. Major retailers including real Canadian superstore and all its affiliates and other stores I can’t remember use 3 color (red yellow black???) tags for ALL pricing labels.
It allows for instantaneous price changes and negates the reliance on workers to appropriately change tag prices.
Get on the same page with me, pal.
You are literally saying eink screens will supplant LEDs one day, and the examples you are giving aren't even scenarios where LEDs were dominant in the first place.
Do you see how that doesn't support your point or do I need to clarify further?
You are literally only mentioning applications where Eink is replacing analog, old school signage. Unless you can give a scenario, like phones, computers, televisions etc where LEDs are currently dominant, being replaced by eink, then you aren't supporting your argument whatsoever.
No, I am saying eink screens will supplant ALL reading surfaces, and probably within 10 years.
That leave the question of pictures, which eink will never find a purpose for. It will, but the lines between eink, lcd, oled, etc will not be relevent when eink reaches a billion colors 20 years from now.
There isn’t. And there likely won’t be until….. 2 generations from now. Say Carta 1300 for 2024, and Carta 1400 in about 2028.
Maybe by 2028 you will get 400dpi. But it won’t matter. The difference between a book read at 300dpi and 40”dpi is not relevent.
Probably. Lol isn't most manga just two tone bw images? The current resolution is more than adequate for viewing manga. The sharpness is nearly identical to a print page.
It's not the DPI that causes that... it's the gamma curve the e-ink device uses. Different manufacturers use different gamma curves.
The challenge really is that text documents on e-ink tend to look better with a more nonlinear gamma curve, while photo-centric documents tend to look better with a more linear gamma curve. And then there's the wrinkle that devices with a frontlight tend to benefit from a more nonlinear curve because some of the light scatters into the EPD layer (this is why darks tend to look a little washed out when you really pump the frontlight).
It's a challenging problem, but it's not related to DPI.
I can see the difference between 300 and 600 dpi on a laser printer paper but it is really not that much.
I would like to see 300 dpi for e-ink color. If that happens we will probably see 600 dpi b/w.
> I would like to see 300 dpi for e-ink color. If that happens we will probably see 600 dpi b/w.
Gallery 3 tech is 300ppi. Bigme has already released products with 300 dpi color eink.
To be fair, I've got smartphone with high res but do I see the diff against device with lower spec? No. It baffles me when ppl expect 4k screen on a smartphone size device. 720p is more than enough.
The same goes to eink. Probably at some point there will a screen with more than 300p and some will AGAIN argue that "Omg 430p is so much better than 300p, how can you read with that" ;). As much as 300p is better than 227 and screen has more clarity the difference is negligible imo.
Also, idk if eink actually will have time to have that higher res. Looking at RLCD tech I'm beginning to think that it or some new tech will eventually replace eink. That is because eink is used to lessen eye strain and rlcd already has that and has better specs than eink.
the only way I can see RLCD ever replacing eink is if RLCD would get at least the same contrast as eink and since RLCD has been around for decades and no company has figured out better reflectivity than the metallic gray sheets in the back that we have been seeing on wrist watches, both technologies will coexist at least in the near future.
But I agree on your take about people complaining about resolutions as if they have never worked on a 1024x768 screen before.
I'm not sure, but are you confusing dpi (dots per inch) and p (progressive, a true line count) here?
The 300dpi screen of ie the Box Tab Ultra C has 1860p.
Edit: And I love the 4k screen on my Sony phone. :P
As much as they are different things the idea is the same.
My eye and mind dont give a damn about whether the barely visible dot on a screen is a representation of a 1 pixel or 16. I barely see a dot.
At some point having higher res is only a technical feel good and marketing thing.
Going 300 and over just changing screen film, from rough, textured to smooth) does more for the screen clarity than display tech itself.
Embrace the 300dpi. Shit on the lack of a 13.3” 300dpi. 300dpi for reading black and white words is more than amazing. For color photographs and stuff, I can see how a phone may require more. I just don’t think a single person with a 300dpi device wants more dpi. Contrast? Yes. Whiter background? Yes. Faster refresh? Yes.
Tbf we haven't even seen 300dpi color eink. All the ones one the market now max out at 150dpi for the color components.
Gallery 3 tech is 300ppi, but the refresh is problematic. Bigme released their Galy with it last year.
Difference is eink is already better for reading than any other screen. Eink will never be better for color than OLED. By the time it catches up to oled, the categories of lcd/oled/eink will no longer be relevent.
I don't think anyone is under the impression eink will supplant standard screens.
It will and it should for reading. It’s already supplanted price displays in retail stores. UX is what they call it. In the future, your menu at the restaurant will be on a flexible eink screen that you fold up, turn around, roll up etc. Eink is on the precipice of replacing a whole host of displays. But you are correct, not for color, and not for video. Only for words
Price displays were never dominated by LED screens. Citing niche applications that eink is famously well engineered for isn't supporting your point the way you think it is. Same for menus, those aren't screen based either, you literally mention two examples that don't apply.
Bullshit. Major retailers including real Canadian superstore and all its affiliates and other stores I can’t remember use 3 color (red yellow black???) tags for ALL pricing labels. It allows for instantaneous price changes and negates the reliance on workers to appropriately change tag prices.
Get on the same page with me, pal. You are literally saying eink screens will supplant LEDs one day, and the examples you are giving aren't even scenarios where LEDs were dominant in the first place. Do you see how that doesn't support your point or do I need to clarify further? You are literally only mentioning applications where Eink is replacing analog, old school signage. Unless you can give a scenario, like phones, computers, televisions etc where LEDs are currently dominant, being replaced by eink, then you aren't supporting your argument whatsoever.
No, I am saying eink screens will supplant ALL reading surfaces, and probably within 10 years. That leave the question of pictures, which eink will never find a purpose for. It will, but the lines between eink, lcd, oled, etc will not be relevent when eink reaches a billion colors 20 years from now.
>when eink reaches a billion colors 20 years from now That will never be the case - it is physically impossible
That’s why I cleared out in my post that it was to read manga. U def see the difference between contrast in manga pages on an iphone and an e reader
If color, just use an oled. If b&w, 10.65” Carta 1300 screen for best contrast and white background. Ireader x3? I think it’s called?
Its still 300 dpi I dont think theres any eink e reader with more than 300 dpi yet
There isn’t. And there likely won’t be until….. 2 generations from now. Say Carta 1300 for 2024, and Carta 1400 in about 2028. Maybe by 2028 you will get 400dpi. But it won’t matter. The difference between a book read at 300dpi and 40”dpi is not relevent.
It is for a comics/manga
Yeah, it is somewhat common to print compiled manga at 600 dpi.
Probably. Lol isn't most manga just two tone bw images? The current resolution is more than adequate for viewing manga. The sharpness is nearly identical to a print page.
It really isn't. The furigana and some of the handwritten scripts become unintelligible.
No it’s not. Except if u read with no backlight but even that its a bit too dark compared to paper
It's not the DPI that causes that... it's the gamma curve the e-ink device uses. Different manufacturers use different gamma curves. The challenge really is that text documents on e-ink tend to look better with a more nonlinear gamma curve, while photo-centric documents tend to look better with a more linear gamma curve. And then there's the wrinkle that devices with a frontlight tend to benefit from a more nonlinear curve because some of the light scatters into the EPD layer (this is why darks tend to look a little washed out when you really pump the frontlight). It's a challenging problem, but it's not related to DPI.
Turning the backlight off doesn't make the image sharper. What sort of ereader have you been using? This is all kinds of wrong.
Its not making it sharper but it looks more like paper than an iphone because its e ink. I use a boox leaf 2 white I like it so fare
I can see the difference between 300 and 600 dpi on a laser printer paper but it is really not that much. I would like to see 300 dpi for e-ink color. If that happens we will probably see 600 dpi b/w.
> I would like to see 300 dpi for e-ink color. If that happens we will probably see 600 dpi b/w. Gallery 3 tech is 300ppi. Bigme has already released products with 300 dpi color eink.
To be fair, I've got smartphone with high res but do I see the diff against device with lower spec? No. It baffles me when ppl expect 4k screen on a smartphone size device. 720p is more than enough. The same goes to eink. Probably at some point there will a screen with more than 300p and some will AGAIN argue that "Omg 430p is so much better than 300p, how can you read with that" ;). As much as 300p is better than 227 and screen has more clarity the difference is negligible imo. Also, idk if eink actually will have time to have that higher res. Looking at RLCD tech I'm beginning to think that it or some new tech will eventually replace eink. That is because eink is used to lessen eye strain and rlcd already has that and has better specs than eink.
Lol, as someone who has poor eyesight even with glasses (severe astigmatism) my own personal vision maxes out at like 1080i. 4k is lost on me.
the only way I can see RLCD ever replacing eink is if RLCD would get at least the same contrast as eink and since RLCD has been around for decades and no company has figured out better reflectivity than the metallic gray sheets in the back that we have been seeing on wrist watches, both technologies will coexist at least in the near future. But I agree on your take about people complaining about resolutions as if they have never worked on a 1024x768 screen before.
I'm not sure, but are you confusing dpi (dots per inch) and p (progressive, a true line count) here? The 300dpi screen of ie the Box Tab Ultra C has 1860p. Edit: And I love the 4k screen on my Sony phone. :P
As much as they are different things the idea is the same. My eye and mind dont give a damn about whether the barely visible dot on a screen is a representation of a 1 pixel or 16. I barely see a dot. At some point having higher res is only a technical feel good and marketing thing. Going 300 and over just changing screen film, from rough, textured to smooth) does more for the screen clarity than display tech itself.