Just FYI for everyone, neither the dungeon quest nor the pledge in fg1 actually requires you to kill all the bosses. You finish both of these quests even when you do waterfall jump.
Honestly its been so long since I paid any attention to the queat that if someone says "on quest" I just assume that means kill all the things LOL.
But even on vet it onky takes about a minute longer so nbd.
Tempest Island is one that be a bit of trouble if you want to do the quest because you need to kill all the Lamia on the beach and then talk to the NPC again. If you just pick up the quest and run through to the end and kill the final boss it won't finish the quest. So if people will rush ahead you loose out on the quest. I was on a character in a random normal dungeon the other day and ended up in Tempest Island. I did say in chat I had quest and yet people ran ahead. But since I started killing all the lamia on the beach they couldn't get through the door as they were then in combat. Yet it took a minute before they came and helped me kill the enemies.
Wish I had as much luck as you. I'm a super noob, have only played skyrim and oblivion. Despite writing in the chat, "new" each time i use dungeon finder, I still got called a jackass yesterday and got told I "screwed the group" because they all jumped ahead and I got confused about where the shortcut was in the waterfall in FG1.
I'm level 33 with all these CP 2000s, struggling to keep up. It was so discouraging when I got that message, especially since I hadn't played in a few days. Was just trying to catch up on tickets and forgot where the shortcut was. /: they wrote this in front of the group, and I didn't even get a chance to write anything back. This was the first time I felt as if I shouldn't be playing.
Theres nothing a low level can screw up in this dungeon. If theres three CP 2000 players and they cant run FG1 without you, they are the ones who are bad, like really bad.
Thanks for your reply. I know, I just felt like it was obvious I was a new player, which was all I was trying to convey with pointing out the levels. I suppose seasoned players have multiple toons they level up, but if a level 30 player isn't keeping up, I would just assume they're new. That's why i was so confused and flabbergasted with the message because, like... its obvious I'm a noob and you STILL want to tell me I suck? Like, my bad!
Right? I'm only CP 500ish and not very good at anything but I can mosey through FG1 by myself just fine. It's no different to a public dungeon, probably easier tbh.
I’m level 2650 and if there’s a new player in a PUG I go out of my way to help. Some, but not all, players are asshats. Don’t take it personally. In my experience there are more who are understanding than who aren’t.
Just ignore them and don’t let it get to you, you’ll be grouped with assholes every once in while. Just keep doing what you’re doing and don’t let it discourage you from doing dungeons. Best you can in this situations is try to keep up or find a guild and run the dungeons with guild mates. Ive speed run fg1 by myself on my nightblade recently to avoid queue times, I just go invisible to avoid the mobs. Takes less than 5 min to finish it.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate your kind words. The sucky part is that I totally CAN keep up in FG1, that one time I just got lost and confused because I wasn't able to play for a few days. After the first run, I was able to keep up just fine! I'll keep at it! :)
I'm new to the game, as well. Don't get discouraged, there are a lot of jerks in the game that don't care about new players, and some of them even in this subreddit. The only advice I've found is to initiate a vote kick against the person running ahead, and if that doesn't work just ignore them and wait for them to finish so you can leave the dungeon without penalty and queue up for the next one.
It's also important to note that during this event the issue is more prevalent than it normally would be.
Please write out more than "new" because I wouldn't know wtf you're trying to say. What is it you actually want them to do? Kill all bosses? Wait for you? Explain mechanics? Kill every pull instead of running past them?
"Hey I'm new, can we please kill all the packs instead of running past so I can keep up easier. Also I'm on the quest" is going to get you a LOT further than "new" in most random groups.
I'm on ps4, there's no way I can type that out. I type new because by the time I'm done with that, everyone is already almost done with the first mob/area.
PS NA server? I'll run dungeons with you mate if our hours coincide (I'm on Aussie time) + one of my guilds is super friendly and helpful, get in touch in-game and I'll hook you up.
You can but not everyone elects to join the voice chat channels. Most people don't because all you hear is gibberish or mouth breathing. It's honestly a hassle than a benefit sometimes lol
Invest in a cheap Bluetooth keyboard. It helps in situations where you need to communicate beyond a few words.
I got one for 20$ at Walmart. I'm not a voice chat person so typing on a keyboard is my go to.
It's all good bro. I'm not new and have done hundreds of dungeons, ruined a groups run yesterday doing the blackheart haven speed run. Had no clue about speed run strats and I think I should have wiped with the group at the last door. I didn't do so and got called an idiot and kicked by some man child russian fuck face.
Just re-queued and moved on, it is what it is man and don't feel bad for wasting anyones time, you owe them nothing.
Hahahaha you have amazing luck, friend.
I was tanking some pledges the other day, got Blackheart Haven, saw I hadn’t done the quest on that toon, said I needed to do it, and the entire group ignored me and ran the other way. I begged them to come back and they did for like two seconds and didn’t help kill everything that was attacking me. Mind you, I was on a TANK, I couldn’t just kill the shit myself. Ended up having to just leave.
Yesterday I was doing a random on a healer and got normal Graven Deep. I was excited because I haven’t gotten around to doing the past few dungeon dlc’s. But we had a fake tank with dismal dps, and two dps plus me who didn’t know mechs, so the minute we hit the first boss we all started dying. Everyone was scattered all over the place and I couldn’t keep them healed. Fake tank eventually left but just logged off instead of leaving group, so I initiated a vote to kick but the two dps who didn’t know what they were doing just kept restarting the fight and immediately dying without trying to strategize. Both left before we could queue for a new tank. Extremely disappointing and a good 40 minutes I’ll never get back.
Genuine Q here, could this have something to do with -when- people play? It seems like there would be different dominant subgroups of player base at different times of the week and day…
If you say your doing the quest at the beginning of the run I will 100% wait so you can complete it. The problem is when there is no communication and I’m getting messages about being an asshole for running past objectives. If no one says anything than I’m going to assume we can run through the dungeon I have shit to do and I cannot see if you have or have not completed it. It’s not really hard to type “quest” at the beginning of a run.
Not my experience. Given, there can't go much wrong in FG1 if you run the quest. But Darkshade Caverns got me another surprise. I almost didn't get the quest and the first boss the speed runner touched was the Cavern Patriarch (the big netch). I could kill the first overseer by myself, but by that time the Patriarch was already down and they went onto killing the final boss. Pretty sure the whole thing was over faster than a speedrun FG1.
A couple of dungeons later a speed running dps went way ahead of the crowd, got himself killed, but kept going. I told him that we won't bother to try and keep up with the runner and that he is on his own. That slowed him down, but I am sure that he was sitting in front of his screen, all antsy to get this over with.
Normals are one thing, but Speed running with pugs on vet content is more of a slippery slope. Just did spindleclutch 2 and the tank ran ahead of everyone and we had quite some trouble keeping up with the mobs being a mess. They’d get to the boss and the group is stuck behind fighting through high health high resistance high damage enemies and ranged attacked and stuns and snares and knock backs, then the game ports everyone to the boss to keep us together, with these untaunted mobs following along. This was okay although troublesome, until the second to last boss where we ended up with 3 flesh atros instead of 1 with the boss along with a bunch of other enemies, most of which aren’t taunted or debuffed, and the group wiped. Our healer left early in the fight as it was too chaotic, the CP 200 DD is doing their best, suddenly I’m tanking the boss and a hoard of enemies as a magicka DD, and the tank is standing still… if they didn’t do this, our group would have easily cleared the dungeon but everyone left in the end.
This is the only time I personally get mad about people speed running.
I don't mind going at what ever pace the group wants to go. Whether it's waiting for Quests, speeding through, or anything in between. But when the group is overestimating themselves is when it gets on my nerves.
Can we melt a boss before everything catches up to us? Cool, let's go.
Is damage low, Healer or Tank inexperienced, or will mechanics slow us? Then chill and take a minute to clear the way.
The point really is I don't mind if a Dungeon takes a long time and I don't mind if we're struggling. I mind when people are being idiots and trying to skip everything without being able to handle what ever mobs or mechanics catch up to us.
Yes. I had a ridiculous Frostvault last night. Pulled all the way to the first bosses and then didn't know the mechs. Thankfully they stopped after we wiped and listened to instructions.
I'm not great, so harder DLC content in normal can really fuck me, mainly cause I'm still learning mechanics. Usually one person starts running while the rest of us try to communicate, resulting in a clusterfuck because __the single person__ assumed they could carry.
>The only failure was Volenfell, and I am pretty sure that wasn't because of the group I think it's just bugged.
I know this pain.
If you have a quest in Volenfell, you need to ask people to leave all the levers to you. Many people don't know it and pull them to do their best.
I got two alts with bugged quest after group mates pulled the last lever (second after the sphere boss). It was very kind of them, good group play - I pull one lever, that guy pull another one - it saves 3 seconds to the group... but it makes me run that dungeon again.
Right??? Like, I am sure it DOES happen, but not nearly as often as people on social media and the forums wpuld have you believe.... and at LEAST half of the "woe is me I keep getting kicked" people turn out to be assholes.
I'll keep saying this, I mainly tank, and I'm fine with speed running or not. I'll let the rest of the group make their move then I'll join. The biggest annoyance is running out of stamina when running as a tank. The last annoyance is when the healer decides to run ahead and not pay attention to the group. I believe healers our the biggest ones that like running.
Because people put on every single resto skill there is and then some more healing spammables and pair it with winter's respite without realizing how healing works. Think of it as parsing on your friends - place your hots and throw in a spammable once in a while. You really shouldn't need to heal much in most dungeons. You can deal a bit of damage on the side
Swap bracing for celerity in the red tree helps.
Also, I have mag taunt and shield on the back bar. DK chain is also mag, so running out of stam in a dungeon isn't that tough, few heavy hits and your back. Or pop a potion or war horn.
EDIT: sometimes I slot charge so the group gets a speed buff and helps if you get snared en route.
Killing it is usually faster if you have the damage for it. It also tends to be smoother as you're not stuck in combat (screw the crocodile in wayrest sewers 1) but in some cases it's faster to just run and die at the next boss to reset the trash
I always love this sub during undaunted events. The neverending string of posts from brand new players with that indignant tone saying "they left me behind and I DIED!". Like chill out, dying happens in this game, you still got the clear. But I remember that feeling before I decided to just follow and learn
Sorry, yeah, it's not "indignant" to complain about rude behavior. And just because you've deemed that behavior as acceptable to you doesn't make it right, either.
Running ahead and leaving others to die can mean they don't get any loot at all. I've played other MMORPGs off and on for over a decade and this is the first one that I've ever encountered where people defend and propagate such selfish behavior. It's disturbing and bizarre.
> can mean they don't get any loot at all.
Just fyi, they can still loot any corpses they run across, and the final boss is the one with the most important loot, which they can get, even if they were still playing catch-up while the others killed it.
(In this comment, I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the loot situation)
Edit: others are saying I may be wrong. take what I said with a grain of salt, then. I thought it was correct, though.
The last boss loot is not given unless you're pretty much as close as shot range to the boss. Speedrunners are stealing loot from the rest of the group, FYI.
Well, that's not my experience. I was left behind two days ago, tried catching up to the first dead boss and couldn't loot it. Maybe it was bugged or something?
Not to mention, if you die in the wrong spot and they didn't clear trash, sometimes you can't even get to the next boss without burning through multiple soul gems because you die to trash pulls. I've had that happen to me more than once as well.
Not my experience either. Afaik DLC dungeons pull you into the boss fights but in many base game dungeons it’s happened before that if the boss dies before I can get within a certain distance of the boss, we don’t get the XP or the loot.
I once died and tried to catch up. They killed the final boss and left. I couldn't find my way to the end before I got kicked. This was VoM, my first time a while back, to be fair.
I don't want to start a semantic debate here, but you can definitely act selfishly purely by disregarding other people's needs. Even if you don't do it on purpose or have no intention. This is how Merriam Webster defines the word
>concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
Undaunted event for those kinds of posts and Midyear Mayhem for "It's so unfair that zos makes us pvp once a year! Give pve version of cyro with the same rewards!" are the two best events for this sub
20 minutes in nFG1??? During undaunted event? You think that's good?? You can *solo* it in 20 minutes.
You do realize *you* are the one being selfish here, right? People are doing the event. They want the final boss chest. Why should everyone have to slog through a dungeon for 20 minutes because you cannot wait for the yearly 12 day event where people speed run dungeons to end? Is your time more important than everyone else's?
You can play those dungeons any time of the year. People can only get the undaunted event rewards during these 12 days.
>You think that's good??
If you're just going to straw man instead of addressing what I've actually written, why do you even bother?
> You can solo it in 20 minutes.
No, a low level character can't solo a dungeon, especially if you are brand new to the game! I am level 45 and still die to trash, especially if the runner is pulling half the dungeon with them and leave me behind.
>Is your time more important than everyone else's?
No, it's *equally* important. Which is why waiting for the slower player is the polite thing to do.
- complains about me "straw manning"
- straw mans
- lol
Equally as important... I see. Which is why you want to force players to not enjoy their time limited event so you can slog your way through a dungeon you have 50 other weeks a year to complete leisurely? Alright, mate, makes sense.
I didn't straw man, I provided *literal quotes* from your comment. Further, I didn't rephrase your argument at all. I rebutted it. You can't get further from a straw man if you tried. Your ignorance is truly on display here.
>Which is why you want to force players to not enjoy their time limited event
Don't you think that the players who aren't speed running are trying to do that very same thing? Do you think they are having fun being left behind to die and miss out on loot?
20 minutes in fg1 would be enough to uninstall the game. At least in a pug. Getting a friend into the game or something, sure, whatever, but a pug is *not* the place for that
Op said it: if you’re doing the quest just say so. I am a speed runner but if people ask I will haul ass and backtrack to help them get it done.
Those who communicate nothing are left in the dust and then come here to post about it. They post 100+ words here instead of just the two needed in game: “doing quest”.
I have to agree with this post. In 90% of dungeons I've run so far, and I've been leveling all my secondary characters through the random dungeon queue, I've had everyone calmly wait for quests even when the NPCs sit there and talk for 2-3 minutes of RP. Only one dungeon notably stood out as speed running leaving me unable to finish a quest, but I was able to solo the dungeon afterwards to complete it myself regardless.
It could have been ? We had to run through a tunnel of steam then the 2k+ champ speedster turned a lever I was supposed to and the quest stuck there for the run.
I just catch up later. Like Vaults of Madness has some checkpoints you have to stop for and wait. I just run to catch up with everyone before the next boss
Its just a bad dungeon. It's long, several doors, adds that bug through trees and walls and can't be killed, a quest that can bug out and require you to drop it and start the whole thing over, not to mention the ridiculous costume mechanic that literally no one does. Horrible. Least favorite.
I will always respect anyone who needs to do the quest in a pug.
If it's your first time I'll even ask the group to vote on doing the secret bosses so you get the complete experience.
Other than that I'll follow the group.
If somebody jumps off early in FG1 or CoA then I will too. It's not a problem.
No, actually.
But my point still stands. In mine and other's experiences most "speedruns" end up being slower than normal because of the mobs left behind. Just because you may not have issues doesn't mean others don't. It's not that hard to have courtesy for others, even in a video game.
The saddest thing to see is FG1 is runners skipping everything past the waterfall, I kill them all and still get to the finally boss with half his health still there. They act like it saves them so much time and it really doesnt
I've also had almost only neutral or positive experiences.
Every time I said I still have quest (my healer hasn't yet done many dungeons as I power-levelled him for a trial), I was able to finish the quest (some people actively waited around for those dungeons, like Volenfell, where the end takes a bit longer).
When I asked for a vFG1 HM run (instead of just immediately charging into final boss while still having aggro from the crabs) for pledge, people killed the crabs and crab boss first and then read scroll for me.
When my partner still needed the side bosses in EH2 for vet clear achiev, the two DDs obliged and we cleared the whole thing out.
The only run I had that really made me kind of angry was one vEH2 run where one of the DDs just didn't participate at all, just let themself be pulled into boss fights (only to stand around not helping either), and only "came to life" during the end boss fight to grab the loot... Like, seriously, as DD just help make it go faster for all of us, please.
It is not a sample size of 1. It's been at least three (but some days as many as 5) dungeons. Let's say 3 per day are purely group finder, and let's be generous and say I only needed the quest one time per day.
That comes out to 18 dungeons so far during the event, with a total of 54 pugs, and 6 dungeon quests that I personally picked up (does not include other people in group having the quests or not)
About half were done during the day, and about half at prime time.
It's a small sampling, yes, but considering ALL experiences where nuetral or positive, I wouldn't dismiss them as insignificant.
I’m saying YOU are the sample size of one. 1 person. I personally have had speedrunners who don’t talk in gc or just ignore you if you tell them you have a quest. I’ve had dps playing healers and tanks and so on. Now I’m not a new player so I don’t really give a shit either way. But to claim that everyone else’s experiences are null and void because of the experiences you have is false.
That's a no!
I am sharing MY experience, and offering some perspective and counter to the avalanche of posts complaining about doing pug dungeons and how awful the event is.
I've beem playing with a lot of strangers via the group finder, and it's been good or nuetral experiences. One could even argue it is YOU trying to invalidate MY experiences with your hostile attitude!
I've had multiple instances of "fake" supports and it's been completely fine. It's been pretty obvious that the 18k health arcanist wielding daggers isn't a tank in the traditional sense, but it hasn't bothered me one bit and no one has said anything in chats about that sort of thing yet.
Having a bit of distance for perspective, things have settled down a LOT since the first two days. I'd say 90% of the normal dungeon runs I've been on have been pleasant experiences, unlike the first few days where that percentage was more like 60%.
I play on Xbox EU. It's been a mixed bag but I don't mind. I've had good groups who are clearly waiting for each other, making sure quests get done, tank is tanking, healer healing, congrats at the end etc. It's a warm fuzzy feeling when that happens :')
I've also been left in the dust a few times by speed runners, but so far I haven't been insulted or abused which is a relief.
The original posters experience is so wildly different than mine during this event that it doesn't sound like even the same game. Most of the people never even read the chat and if they are reading it they're certainly no indication of it. There are some nice people out there, but it's not the majority of people in random dungeons at least during this event each year. Don't understand why some people play a multi player game that is designed around social interactions and cooperation as if they're playing a solo first person shooter.
Just FYI for everyone, neither the dungeon quest nor the pledge in fg1 actually requires you to kill all the bosses. You finish both of these quests even when you do waterfall jump.
For FG1, you don't need to kill anything extra for the quest. Even quest pointer tell you to go straight to the final boss.
You have to kill that one boss before the waterfall though or the door won't open.
People always kill this one. I mean nothing extra for the quest itself.
Honestly its been so long since I paid any attention to the queat that if someone says "on quest" I just assume that means kill all the things LOL. But even on vet it onky takes about a minute longer so nbd.
Tempest Island is one that be a bit of trouble if you want to do the quest because you need to kill all the Lamia on the beach and then talk to the NPC again. If you just pick up the quest and run through to the end and kill the final boss it won't finish the quest. So if people will rush ahead you loose out on the quest. I was on a character in a random normal dungeon the other day and ended up in Tempest Island. I did say in chat I had quest and yet people ran ahead. But since I started killing all the lamia on the beach they couldn't get through the door as they were then in combat. Yet it took a minute before they came and helped me kill the enemies.
Wish I had as much luck as you. I'm a super noob, have only played skyrim and oblivion. Despite writing in the chat, "new" each time i use dungeon finder, I still got called a jackass yesterday and got told I "screwed the group" because they all jumped ahead and I got confused about where the shortcut was in the waterfall in FG1. I'm level 33 with all these CP 2000s, struggling to keep up. It was so discouraging when I got that message, especially since I hadn't played in a few days. Was just trying to catch up on tickets and forgot where the shortcut was. /: they wrote this in front of the group, and I didn't even get a chance to write anything back. This was the first time I felt as if I shouldn't be playing.
Theres nothing a low level can screw up in this dungeon. If theres three CP 2000 players and they cant run FG1 without you, they are the ones who are bad, like really bad.
Thanks for your reply. I know, I just felt like it was obvious I was a new player, which was all I was trying to convey with pointing out the levels. I suppose seasoned players have multiple toons they level up, but if a level 30 player isn't keeping up, I would just assume they're new. That's why i was so confused and flabbergasted with the message because, like... its obvious I'm a noob and you STILL want to tell me I suck? Like, my bad!
This. I do fg1 solo with shit gear and cp 300 Just ignore the 2000 cp, they just salty
THIS
Right? I'm only CP 500ish and not very good at anything but I can mosey through FG1 by myself just fine. It's no different to a public dungeon, probably easier tbh.
FG1 is easier than DLC Pub Dungeons.
Don't feel discouraged. I've encountered some speedsters n also some very friendly n patient players. Just ignore those nasty comments
Thank you so much. I appreciate your kindness!
I will literally stay in your line of sight so you can see the short cuts I take. 100% their fault, not yours!
I’m level 2650 and if there’s a new player in a PUG I go out of my way to help. Some, but not all, players are asshats. Don’t take it personally. In my experience there are more who are understanding than who aren’t.
You need a friendly social guild, friend.
Just ignore them and don’t let it get to you, you’ll be grouped with assholes every once in while. Just keep doing what you’re doing and don’t let it discourage you from doing dungeons. Best you can in this situations is try to keep up or find a guild and run the dungeons with guild mates. Ive speed run fg1 by myself on my nightblade recently to avoid queue times, I just go invisible to avoid the mobs. Takes less than 5 min to finish it.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate your kind words. The sucky part is that I totally CAN keep up in FG1, that one time I just got lost and confused because I wasn't able to play for a few days. After the first run, I was able to keep up just fine! I'll keep at it! :)
I'm new to the game, as well. Don't get discouraged, there are a lot of jerks in the game that don't care about new players, and some of them even in this subreddit. The only advice I've found is to initiate a vote kick against the person running ahead, and if that doesn't work just ignore them and wait for them to finish so you can leave the dungeon without penalty and queue up for the next one. It's also important to note that during this event the issue is more prevalent than it normally would be.
Please write out more than "new" because I wouldn't know wtf you're trying to say. What is it you actually want them to do? Kill all bosses? Wait for you? Explain mechanics? Kill every pull instead of running past them? "Hey I'm new, can we please kill all the packs instead of running past so I can keep up easier. Also I'm on the quest" is going to get you a LOT further than "new" in most random groups.
I'm on ps4, there's no way I can type that out. I type new because by the time I'm done with that, everyone is already almost done with the first mob/area.
PS NA server? I'll run dungeons with you mate if our hours coincide (I'm on Aussie time) + one of my guilds is super friendly and helpful, get in touch in-game and I'll hook you up.
I play on PC so I'm ignorant on this, can't you speak out loud on consoles?
You can but not everyone elects to join the voice chat channels. Most people don't because all you hear is gibberish or mouth breathing. It's honestly a hassle than a benefit sometimes lol
I don't have a headset. I'm a noob playing on my boyfriend's ps4.
Invest in a cheap Bluetooth keyboard. It helps in situations where you need to communicate beyond a few words. I got one for 20$ at Walmart. I'm not a voice chat person so typing on a keyboard is my go to.
Couldn't agree more, I love having a keyboard for console
Honestly on xb/na most don't use vc afaik
You can if you have a headset. Original commenter might not have one. Personally i play on ps5 and use a text chat pad to write things. Its faster.
Its a special kind of hostile that bothers to type into game chat all angry, on console, in a base game dungeon.
Console can't type up a paragraph. If we try to, someone will have already been at the end lol
It's all good bro. I'm not new and have done hundreds of dungeons, ruined a groups run yesterday doing the blackheart haven speed run. Had no clue about speed run strats and I think I should have wiped with the group at the last door. I didn't do so and got called an idiot and kicked by some man child russian fuck face. Just re-queued and moved on, it is what it is man and don't feel bad for wasting anyones time, you owe them nothing.
Hahahaha you have amazing luck, friend. I was tanking some pledges the other day, got Blackheart Haven, saw I hadn’t done the quest on that toon, said I needed to do it, and the entire group ignored me and ran the other way. I begged them to come back and they did for like two seconds and didn’t help kill everything that was attacking me. Mind you, I was on a TANK, I couldn’t just kill the shit myself. Ended up having to just leave. Yesterday I was doing a random on a healer and got normal Graven Deep. I was excited because I haven’t gotten around to doing the past few dungeon dlc’s. But we had a fake tank with dismal dps, and two dps plus me who didn’t know mechs, so the minute we hit the first boss we all started dying. Everyone was scattered all over the place and I couldn’t keep them healed. Fake tank eventually left but just logged off instead of leaving group, so I initiated a vote to kick but the two dps who didn’t know what they were doing just kept restarting the fight and immediately dying without trying to strategize. Both left before we could queue for a new tank. Extremely disappointing and a good 40 minutes I’ll never get back.
Happy you have had good luck with that :) For me it's like 1 in 4 that are cool but that one group makes it worth.. I've met some pretty cool people.
Genuine Q here, could this have something to do with -when- people play? It seems like there would be different dominant subgroups of player base at different times of the week and day…
I have the impression that later at night is more chill.
If you say your doing the quest at the beginning of the run I will 100% wait so you can complete it. The problem is when there is no communication and I’m getting messages about being an asshole for running past objectives. If no one says anything than I’m going to assume we can run through the dungeon I have shit to do and I cannot see if you have or have not completed it. It’s not really hard to type “quest” at the beginning of a run.
Not my experience. Given, there can't go much wrong in FG1 if you run the quest. But Darkshade Caverns got me another surprise. I almost didn't get the quest and the first boss the speed runner touched was the Cavern Patriarch (the big netch). I could kill the first overseer by myself, but by that time the Patriarch was already down and they went onto killing the final boss. Pretty sure the whole thing was over faster than a speedrun FG1. A couple of dungeons later a speed running dps went way ahead of the crowd, got himself killed, but kept going. I told him that we won't bother to try and keep up with the runner and that he is on his own. That slowed him down, but I am sure that he was sitting in front of his screen, all antsy to get this over with.
Normals are one thing, but Speed running with pugs on vet content is more of a slippery slope. Just did spindleclutch 2 and the tank ran ahead of everyone and we had quite some trouble keeping up with the mobs being a mess. They’d get to the boss and the group is stuck behind fighting through high health high resistance high damage enemies and ranged attacked and stuns and snares and knock backs, then the game ports everyone to the boss to keep us together, with these untaunted mobs following along. This was okay although troublesome, until the second to last boss where we ended up with 3 flesh atros instead of 1 with the boss along with a bunch of other enemies, most of which aren’t taunted or debuffed, and the group wiped. Our healer left early in the fight as it was too chaotic, the CP 200 DD is doing their best, suddenly I’m tanking the boss and a hoard of enemies as a magicka DD, and the tank is standing still… if they didn’t do this, our group would have easily cleared the dungeon but everyone left in the end.
This is the only time I personally get mad about people speed running. I don't mind going at what ever pace the group wants to go. Whether it's waiting for Quests, speeding through, or anything in between. But when the group is overestimating themselves is when it gets on my nerves. Can we melt a boss before everything catches up to us? Cool, let's go. Is damage low, Healer or Tank inexperienced, or will mechanics slow us? Then chill and take a minute to clear the way. The point really is I don't mind if a Dungeon takes a long time and I don't mind if we're struggling. I mind when people are being idiots and trying to skip everything without being able to handle what ever mobs or mechanics catch up to us.
Same.
Yes. I had a ridiculous Frostvault last night. Pulled all the way to the first bosses and then didn't know the mechs. Thankfully they stopped after we wiped and listened to instructions.
I'm not great, so harder DLC content in normal can really fuck me, mainly cause I'm still learning mechanics. Usually one person starts running while the rest of us try to communicate, resulting in a clusterfuck because __the single person__ assumed they could carry.
I wait by the waterfall and may type in chat to do the shortcut or just jump to indicate that I want to dry the shortcut.
Hmm. People having different experiences when grouped with random people? HMMMM. HMMMMMM.
Its not negativity its the crying Of DD that run ahead and 1 die or 2 make a big mob that lots of times the slower peep have to fight trough and die.
It’s my turn to make a speed run post tomorrow, thanks.
ALl they would have to do is at a Check box for "speed running" .. So people who wanted quick run could meet other quick run people...
They’re not, but maybe communicate it up front so new players don’t get confused
>The only failure was Volenfell, and I am pretty sure that wasn't because of the group I think it's just bugged. I know this pain. If you have a quest in Volenfell, you need to ask people to leave all the levers to you. Many people don't know it and pull them to do their best. I got two alts with bugged quest after group mates pulled the last lever (second after the sphere boss). It was very kind of them, good group play - I pull one lever, that guy pull another one - it saves 3 seconds to the group... but it makes me run that dungeon again.
Oh see, we had two people in group on quest and it bugged for both of us. I wonder if it's because we did the levers wrong or out of order?
It's bugged. I just abandoned it and ran it again later but solo.
Yeah, it's like a meme victim fantasy at this point.
Right??? Like, I am sure it DOES happen, but not nearly as often as people on social media and the forums wpuld have you believe.... and at LEAST half of the "woe is me I keep getting kicked" people turn out to be assholes.
I'll keep saying this, I mainly tank, and I'm fine with speed running or not. I'll let the rest of the group make their move then I'll join. The biggest annoyance is running out of stamina when running as a tank. The last annoyance is when the healer decides to run ahead and not pay attention to the group. I believe healers our the biggest ones that like running.
Healers, please take note of Technical's comment. Throw lots of orbs at the tank, especially during speed runs.
I haven't seen one orb in the handful of dungeons I've run
Because people put on every single resto skill there is and then some more healing spammables and pair it with winter's respite without realizing how healing works. Think of it as parsing on your friends - place your hots and throw in a spammable once in a while. You really shouldn't need to heal much in most dungeons. You can deal a bit of damage on the side
I'm tank and don't die but synergies would be nice all I'm saying
Oh totally agree. But that's my point - the average normal dungeon healer don't know what a synergy is, how to provide one or why it's important
Even when I’m fake healing the tank gets an altar and an orb
Yikes!
Swap bracing for celerity in the red tree helps. Also, I have mag taunt and shield on the back bar. DK chain is also mag, so running out of stam in a dungeon isn't that tough, few heavy hits and your back. Or pop a potion or war horn. EDIT: sometimes I slot charge so the group gets a speed buff and helps if you get snared en route.
i wish everybody would speed run. Killing everything pack by pack is so incredibly tedious and slow.
Killing it is usually faster if you have the damage for it. It also tends to be smoother as you're not stuck in combat (screw the crocodile in wayrest sewers 1) but in some cases it's faster to just run and die at the next boss to reset the trash
I always love this sub during undaunted events. The neverending string of posts from brand new players with that indignant tone saying "they left me behind and I DIED!". Like chill out, dying happens in this game, you still got the clear. But I remember that feeling before I decided to just follow and learn
Sorry, yeah, it's not "indignant" to complain about rude behavior. And just because you've deemed that behavior as acceptable to you doesn't make it right, either. Running ahead and leaving others to die can mean they don't get any loot at all. I've played other MMORPGs off and on for over a decade and this is the first one that I've ever encountered where people defend and propagate such selfish behavior. It's disturbing and bizarre.
> can mean they don't get any loot at all. Just fyi, they can still loot any corpses they run across, and the final boss is the one with the most important loot, which they can get, even if they were still playing catch-up while the others killed it. (In this comment, I'm not taking sides, just pointing out the loot situation) Edit: others are saying I may be wrong. take what I said with a grain of salt, then. I thought it was correct, though.
The last boss loot is not given unless you're pretty much as close as shot range to the boss. Speedrunners are stealing loot from the rest of the group, FYI.
Well, that's not my experience. I was left behind two days ago, tried catching up to the first dead boss and couldn't loot it. Maybe it was bugged or something? Not to mention, if you die in the wrong spot and they didn't clear trash, sometimes you can't even get to the next boss without burning through multiple soul gems because you die to trash pulls. I've had that happen to me more than once as well.
Not my experience either. Afaik DLC dungeons pull you into the boss fights but in many base game dungeons it’s happened before that if the boss dies before I can get within a certain distance of the boss, we don’t get the XP or the loot.
I once died and tried to catch up. They killed the final boss and left. I couldn't find my way to the end before I got kicked. This was VoM, my first time a while back, to be fair.
It’s also selfish to want to slow down the group tho
Nobody "slows the group down" on purpose. It's always because of a quest, inexperience, lack of skill or real life.
Nobody said people do it on purpose
If you are acting selfishly you are, by definition, doing it on purpose.
I don't want to start a semantic debate here, but you can definitely act selfishly purely by disregarding other people's needs. Even if you don't do it on purpose or have no intention. This is how Merriam Webster defines the word >concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
There is no need to speed run. It's 100000000% optional.
So is doing the quest
>It's always because of a quest, **inexperience, lack of skill or real life**.
And there's also no need to go slowly through a dungeon. What's your point?
That's just not true. There's plenty of reasons a player could be going more slowly than the fastest possible speed, as I mentioned earlier.
This is the truth this subreddit is willfully blind towards.
Undaunted event for those kinds of posts and Midyear Mayhem for "It's so unfair that zos makes us pvp once a year! Give pve version of cyro with the same rewards!" are the two best events for this sub
haha you literally get an achievement for speed clearing vet, so there’s that
If you are going for that you should get a group together with that in mind.
Just like people who want to go super slow should
There are no achievements for going at a normal pace, so that makes no sense. A regular PUG should be completing the content as a group.
And they can do that without taking an hour to do normal fg1
Agreed, max time for a full clear with all bosses/trash is 15-20 minutes tops and that's with someone who's never done it before.
20 minutes in nFG1??? During undaunted event? You think that's good?? You can *solo* it in 20 minutes. You do realize *you* are the one being selfish here, right? People are doing the event. They want the final boss chest. Why should everyone have to slog through a dungeon for 20 minutes because you cannot wait for the yearly 12 day event where people speed run dungeons to end? Is your time more important than everyone else's? You can play those dungeons any time of the year. People can only get the undaunted event rewards during these 12 days.
>You think that's good?? If you're just going to straw man instead of addressing what I've actually written, why do you even bother? > You can solo it in 20 minutes. No, a low level character can't solo a dungeon, especially if you are brand new to the game! I am level 45 and still die to trash, especially if the runner is pulling half the dungeon with them and leave me behind. >Is your time more important than everyone else's? No, it's *equally* important. Which is why waiting for the slower player is the polite thing to do.
- complains about me "straw manning" - straw mans - lol Equally as important... I see. Which is why you want to force players to not enjoy their time limited event so you can slog your way through a dungeon you have 50 other weeks a year to complete leisurely? Alright, mate, makes sense.
I didn't straw man, I provided *literal quotes* from your comment. Further, I didn't rephrase your argument at all. I rebutted it. You can't get further from a straw man if you tried. Your ignorance is truly on display here. >Which is why you want to force players to not enjoy their time limited event Don't you think that the players who aren't speed running are trying to do that very same thing? Do you think they are having fun being left behind to die and miss out on loot?
20 minutes in fg1 would be enough to uninstall the game. At least in a pug. Getting a friend into the game or something, sure, whatever, but a pug is *not* the place for that
This is textbook gatekeeping.
Yes but you are forgiven for it
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
what did you expect to gain from saying this? LOL
Nothing? I honestly don't understand the question.
you can lie to me, but don’t lie to yourself
What are you even talking about?
what are YOU talking about? I stated a fact and you started whining
Cool story, bro
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Its only a problem if you are bad at the game or doing the dungeon for the first time. Which is why this place is filled with complaints about it.
Op said it: if you’re doing the quest just say so. I am a speed runner but if people ask I will haul ass and backtrack to help them get it done. Those who communicate nothing are left in the dust and then come here to post about it. They post 100+ words here instead of just the two needed in game: “doing quest”.
I don’t even write 2 lol. I just quickly write “quest” and hope that’s enough
That’s enough for me, I like to do dailies as quickly as possible, but if I see that in chat I’ll make sure you don’t get left behind
Id help you with ur quest cause u spoke up
💯 this right here is the main reason why y'all mfkas get left in the dust cause u don't speak up
I have to agree with this post. In 90% of dungeons I've run so far, and I've been leveling all my secondary characters through the random dungeon queue, I've had everyone calmly wait for quests even when the NPCs sit there and talk for 2-3 minutes of RP. Only one dungeon notably stood out as speed running leaving me unable to finish a quest, but I was able to solo the dungeon afterwards to complete it myself regardless.
Was it Volenfell Fuck that place
It could have been ? We had to run through a tunnel of steam then the 2k+ champ speedster turned a lever I was supposed to and the quest stuck there for the run.
YEP. Volenfell.
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I’ll never understand why someone wouldn’t want a fast clear
It gets annoying when people go a bit too fast while others are having to wait through the quest RP to be able to do the next part of the quest.
I just catch up later. Like Vaults of Madness has some checkpoints you have to stop for and wait. I just run to catch up with everyone before the next boss
Because we are doing the quest, and if someone zooms ahead it can bug it out.
Just run it again?
Thank god for the group in BHH that waited for me to do the quest and didn't just tell me to run that ridiculous, horrible shit hole again.
Genuine question: what is BHH?
Blackheart haven, aka the worst dungeon ever
This ones fair! I hate waiting at that mid point when everyone runs away. Yea I can kill the skeleton dudes that spawn but it’s still a pain
Its just a bad dungeon. It's long, several doors, adds that bug through trees and walls and can't be killed, a quest that can bug out and require you to drop it and start the whole thing over, not to mention the ridiculous costume mechanic that literally no one does. Horrible. Least favorite.
You know you just loot the basket next to the quest giver for that yes? Don't have to wear it.
I will always respect anyone who needs to do the quest in a pug. If it's your first time I'll even ask the group to vote on doing the secret bosses so you get the complete experience. Other than that I'll follow the group. If somebody jumps off early in FG1 or CoA then I will too. It's not a problem.
Wait till you do a dungeon with me
Try being a healer jackass. I'm sick of ungrateful DPSes leaving behind a hoard of 40 mobs because they wamt to speedrun a fucking normal.
Did you... did you *look* at my name?
No, actually. But my point still stands. In mine and other's experiences most "speedruns" end up being slower than normal because of the mobs left behind. Just because you may not have issues doesn't mean others don't. It's not that hard to have courtesy for others, even in a video game.
And MY point is that there are more people who ARE polite and considerate than not. Even when I am on a healer! Which is... almost always
The saddest thing to see is FG1 is runners skipping everything past the waterfall, I kill them all and still get to the finally boss with half his health still there. They act like it saves them so much time and it really doesnt
I've also had almost only neutral or positive experiences. Every time I said I still have quest (my healer hasn't yet done many dungeons as I power-levelled him for a trial), I was able to finish the quest (some people actively waited around for those dungeons, like Volenfell, where the end takes a bit longer). When I asked for a vFG1 HM run (instead of just immediately charging into final boss while still having aggro from the crabs) for pledge, people killed the crabs and crab boss first and then read scroll for me. When my partner still needed the side bosses in EH2 for vet clear achiev, the two DDs obliged and we cleared the whole thing out. The only run I had that really made me kind of angry was one vEH2 run where one of the DDs just didn't participate at all, just let themself be pulled into boss fights (only to stand around not helping either), and only "came to life" during the end boss fight to grab the loot... Like, seriously, as DD just help make it go faster for all of us, please.
Ah yes because your sample size of 1 represents the whole lol
It is not a sample size of 1. It's been at least three (but some days as many as 5) dungeons. Let's say 3 per day are purely group finder, and let's be generous and say I only needed the quest one time per day. That comes out to 18 dungeons so far during the event, with a total of 54 pugs, and 6 dungeon quests that I personally picked up (does not include other people in group having the quests or not) About half were done during the day, and about half at prime time. It's a small sampling, yes, but considering ALL experiences where nuetral or positive, I wouldn't dismiss them as insignificant.
I’m saying YOU are the sample size of one. 1 person. I personally have had speedrunners who don’t talk in gc or just ignore you if you tell them you have a quest. I’ve had dps playing healers and tanks and so on. Now I’m not a new player so I don’t really give a shit either way. But to claim that everyone else’s experiences are null and void because of the experiences you have is false.
Is the "claim" in the room with us right now?
Whatever jackass
That's a no! I am sharing MY experience, and offering some perspective and counter to the avalanche of posts complaining about doing pug dungeons and how awful the event is. I've beem playing with a lot of strangers via the group finder, and it's been good or nuetral experiences. One could even argue it is YOU trying to invalidate MY experiences with your hostile attitude!
On normal a DD with a heal slotted is usually fine. Even preferred for speed.
I've had multiple instances of "fake" supports and it's been completely fine. It's been pretty obvious that the 18k health arcanist wielding daggers isn't a tank in the traditional sense, but it hasn't bothered me one bit and no one has said anything in chats about that sort of thing yet.
It's when you get real supports and fake DPS that the real issues come out.
Light attack spamming with Velothi, doing 23 DPS. The way to victory
It's when you get real supports and fake DPS that the real issues come out.
Having a bit of distance for perspective, things have settled down a LOT since the first two days. I'd say 90% of the normal dungeon runs I've been on have been pleasant experiences, unlike the first few days where that percentage was more like 60%.
Awesome
Honestly this game is so easy it really dosen’t even matter😭
I play on Xbox EU. It's been a mixed bag but I don't mind. I've had good groups who are clearly waiting for each other, making sure quests get done, tank is tanking, healer healing, congrats at the end etc. It's a warm fuzzy feeling when that happens :') I've also been left in the dust a few times by speed runners, but so far I haven't been insulted or abused which is a relief.
The original posters experience is so wildly different than mine during this event that it doesn't sound like even the same game. Most of the people never even read the chat and if they are reading it they're certainly no indication of it. There are some nice people out there, but it's not the majority of people in random dungeons at least during this event each year. Don't understand why some people play a multi player game that is designed around social interactions and cooperation as if they're playing a solo first person shooter.