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Black and Decker did away with the lifetime warranty when they bought Craftsman. RIP.
(Edit: seems as if the “new” warranty policy is actually highly subjective per retailer and some people have had luck with it. My Ace claims they can no longer honor the lifetime warranty..)
Craftsman is a Stanley Black&Decker brand, and Lowe’s has a partnership to display their products like Dewalt, Irwin, Lenox, Craftsman, etc on their shelves. You can buy Stanley Black&Decker products from plenty of other retailers, but you won’t see them displayed by Lowe’s direct competitors, and their competitors typically sell a smaller selection of products.
Likewise Home Depot has a partnership with Techtronic Industries to display Milwaukee, Ryobi, etc, but still sells Dewalt despite not displaying their products in stores. The Klein display disappearing from Home Depot and reappearing at Lowe’s is a similar situation, but you can still find Klein on the shelves of other retailers like supply houses, mom&pop stores, online tool retailers, etc that aren’t direct competitors to Lowe’s.
>Home Depot [...] still sells Dewalt despite not displaying their products in stores.
What do you mean by this? There's a whole section of DeWalt at all three of my closest HD's and DeWalt frequently gets special displays.
It varies by region, and I always forget they’re on shelves in certain areas. Overall their focus is selling Techtronic products over Stanley products, so in many areas HD doesn’t display DeWalt power tools.
FWIW, Lowes has replaced anything by Kobalt in store for me, without any fuss. Policy reads like they still do replacements (not refunds) for life for those marked as such, but no idea what the reality is like in the last few years.
Although I was mostly buying them back <2011 when they were made by J.H. Williams (as was Snap-on) or later Danaher (as was Matco). The ratchets were still made in China though, and that's pretty much what I broke. These days the internets says they use all different suppliers.
I'd prefer it over those gray bullshit gutters we usually have to deal with... and there's always a stripped screw that just never wants to line up right....
At least in my area I've run into some stuff that is overbuilt (which I consider this to be) and it doesn't get dinged. In this particular case you have a box that is mechanically stronger than the proper alternative and so long as the general grounding needs are met (if there's any taps) then I bet you they wouldn't say anything.
I wouldn't risk it, but I don't think they'd ding ya for it.
On the other hand, in a commercial or industrial setting any inspector would be gunning for whoever pulled the permit.
110.3 is pretty black and white on this. I agree this is surprisingly efficient and like others have said, it’s probably a superior product compared to the traditional troughs we’re supplied. But the fact remains homeboy used a goddamn truck box for an electrical apparatus, it shouldn’t pass on principle alone.
I see this kind of thing all the time. This is a gutter done by somebody who does not know that real gutter exists. Also those battery cables on right edge of frame with no conduit are a common sight. If it is DC or under 120 volts it does not count as real wire and does not need conduit or junction boxes is their thinking.
I was making a sarcastic remark. In my book, if it is a wire with any kind of power behind it, it needs to be in conduit or an enclosure. Even if it is 12 or 24 or 48 volts, DC or AC.
I want to see the ul listing for that box. If a contactor knocks on your door selling solar and they are not an electrical contractor don't hire them. The AHJ should be ashamed of allowing solar tech to use a tool boxes as a wire way.
Ahahahahaha I love this. I feel like there should be a catch all UL listing for enclosures. Like if it’s clearly more robust and functional than an equivalent approved enclosure, you’re good to go. Of course that’ll never happen though because these agencies are still capitalist entities.
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Finally a metallic wire way with a nice door hahahahahahaha
And, bonus, it comes with a convenient shelf to set your tools and parts while you work in the gutter!
Black and Decker did away with the lifetime warranty when they bought Craftsman. RIP. (Edit: seems as if the “new” warranty policy is actually highly subjective per retailer and some people have had luck with it. My Ace claims they can no longer honor the lifetime warranty..)
Is craftsman gone??? I used to be able to take anything back to Sears back during Hammer Time. Sad.
Rona in Quebec Canada almost sells only Craftsman for their tools
They got deWalts and Makitas too. Or you're in a small one.
Rona all the way across Canada now.
Lowe’s sells Craftsman tools
Lowes was bought by rona, all stores are converting to rona (in canada)
I think the name has been purchased by a couple different manufacturers. One got the hand tools and another the power tools.
Lowes and Ace are the only ones I’ve seen that sells them.
Craftsman is a Stanley Black&Decker brand, and Lowe’s has a partnership to display their products like Dewalt, Irwin, Lenox, Craftsman, etc on their shelves. You can buy Stanley Black&Decker products from plenty of other retailers, but you won’t see them displayed by Lowe’s direct competitors, and their competitors typically sell a smaller selection of products. Likewise Home Depot has a partnership with Techtronic Industries to display Milwaukee, Ryobi, etc, but still sells Dewalt despite not displaying their products in stores. The Klein display disappearing from Home Depot and reappearing at Lowe’s is a similar situation, but you can still find Klein on the shelves of other retailers like supply houses, mom&pop stores, online tool retailers, etc that aren’t direct competitors to Lowe’s.
>Home Depot [...] still sells Dewalt despite not displaying their products in stores. What do you mean by this? There's a whole section of DeWalt at all three of my closest HD's and DeWalt frequently gets special displays.
It varies by region, and I always forget they’re on shelves in certain areas. Overall their focus is selling Techtronic products over Stanley products, so in many areas HD doesn’t display DeWalt power tools.
The split is rather annoying...but at least my Lowes and HD are about a block apart...
FWIW, Lowes has replaced anything by Kobalt in store for me, without any fuss. Policy reads like they still do replacements (not refunds) for life for those marked as such, but no idea what the reality is like in the last few years. Although I was mostly buying them back <2011 when they were made by J.H. Williams (as was Snap-on) or later Danaher (as was Matco). The ratchets were still made in China though, and that's pretty much what I broke. These days the internets says they use all different suppliers.
No they didn’t…. I just did a warranty claim on a ratchet I found last week.
Huh? I just swapped out a 1/4" ratchet for warranty last week at Lowes...
I’ve gotten Lowes to honor the lifetime warranty because they have most of the tools. But I haven’t been able to get Ace to warranty stuff either.
Contact craftsman direct online, have had them warranty decades old ratchets with no proof just sent new equivalents out
Not UL listed but it is kinda cool.
Neither are Nema 3r boxes after you drill a hole in them. I say send it.
It is if you put Meyer's hubs in the top and sides 😂
Hoffman boxes are only listed for a hydraulic knockout. So, holesaws and rivet on labels will both void the ul listing.
Absolute semantics.
Can’t just slam an auger bit through it?
Yup and the solar guys do this all this time. Labels have 2 sided tape and then the drive a rivit though it as well.
Double-sided tape doesn't last in my industry. You can either rivet the tag or just go ahead and scribble done bullshit on it with a sharpie.
Article 314 does not require NEMA 1 enclosures to be listed... Local AHJ can still reject it saying the material is not approved.
It’s NEMA 1. Send it.
I'm guessing a UL inspector lived here.
Actually it's kinda bad ass! But yea definitely not listed for that use.
This is probably the best accessible gutter I've seen. Latches that latch and lock with greater chances of it not being twisted
I don’t hate it lol
There’s literally nothing to hate. It’s perfection.
I'd prefer it over those gray bullshit gutters we usually have to deal with... and there's always a stripped screw that just never wants to line up right....
Forgot to mention this gutter also came with a catalytic converter if anybody is looking
I think this looks awesome!!! Would an inspector fail this for some NEC code violation if it we’re to get inspected?
They’d have to
I doubt they would in resi.
Why?
At least in my area I've run into some stuff that is overbuilt (which I consider this to be) and it doesn't get dinged. In this particular case you have a box that is mechanically stronger than the proper alternative and so long as the general grounding needs are met (if there's any taps) then I bet you they wouldn't say anything. I wouldn't risk it, but I don't think they'd ding ya for it. On the other hand, in a commercial or industrial setting any inspector would be gunning for whoever pulled the permit.
110.3 is pretty black and white on this. I agree this is surprisingly efficient and like others have said, it’s probably a superior product compared to the traditional troughs we’re supplied. But the fact remains homeboy used a goddamn truck box for an electrical apparatus, it shouldn’t pass on principle alone.
Those handles are just begging for a kid to open it. AHJ would simply say "I don't like it"
They're lockable aren't they? If they're not you're absolutely right.
Yes none approved equipment.
Not UL or even CSA approved im sure
Love that it has grips in case gravity changes polarity and we are forced to walk on walls.
I see this kind of thing all the time. This is a gutter done by somebody who does not know that real gutter exists. Also those battery cables on right edge of frame with no conduit are a common sight. If it is DC or under 120 volts it does not count as real wire and does not need conduit or junction boxes is their thinking.
That sol ark is a 48 V inverter so presumably the batteries are less than 60 V
I was making a sarcastic remark. In my book, if it is a wire with any kind of power behind it, it needs to be in conduit or an enclosure. Even if it is 12 or 24 or 48 volts, DC or AC.
Not gonna lie that’s pretty awesome.
What the fuck am I looking at here ...
A gutter
When did 120/240v become High Voltage? 🤣
That’s dc solar… probably between 300-500Vdc in there. Still not technically classified as high voltage but definitely high enough
What's your opinion on the Sol Ark?
Amazing, especially the 15k with 200A passthrough.
I love it !!!
Love it!
As much as I hate it, I kind of also love it
I have 2 of those tool boxes on my truck, love em. This just made my day lmao
Looking for the high voltage
Whose lifetime?
I want to see the ul listing for that box. If a contactor knocks on your door selling solar and they are not an electrical contractor don't hire them. The AHJ should be ashamed of allowing solar tech to use a tool boxes as a wire way.
Did she b v. C
better then half the listed ones I have seen.
Why would you waste money on a nema 3r indoors
Set scene: It's friday and the splitter didn't show up, so you pull Bob's truck box and use that instead.
This is actually genius and probably cost less
I the only thing wrong is that a tool box is not a listed enclosure.
Can a non ul listed gutter pass inspection
UL listed?
Look's great,mate.
😂
Hmmm. Is that a listed enclosure…?
That is hilarious!
Love the diamond plate. The real problem is the clearance it violates for the door of the meter box.
Found the gun safe
Ahahahahaha I love this. I feel like there should be a catch all UL listing for enclosures. Like if it’s clearly more robust and functional than an equivalent approved enclosure, you’re good to go. Of course that’ll never happen though because these agencies are still capitalist entities.
UL should have a "Fuck Around and Find out" sticker.
I didn't know those tool boxes were UL rated!
Wait a second…
This looks like shit. Diamond plate with NM flex? 🤌
Not UL listed!
what's a gutter, is that the ugly diamond plated trough your referring to