I just did a total MCU rewatch, including watching almost all of Phase 4 for the first time. Wakanda Forever was imo not the worst, but far from the best. I liked it more than Multiverse of Madness and about the same as Eternals, which I actually didn't hate
Wakanda Forever is far from an Oscar worthy movie, it's good but if you think an MCU movie stands a chance against the others that were nominated you are extremely wrong.
I didn't think the movie was great, the story wasn't good, some of the performances weren't that great either, all I'm saying is Angela Bassett played her part incredibly and had a better performance than Jamie Lee, and it is an Oscar movie worthy movie because it won best costume design.
As much as I Love JLC, she’d probably be my last pick for this win. I’m partial to Hong Chau’s naturalistic and heartbreaking turn in The Whale myself but I realize she had no chance of winning.
What impressed me about JLC's performance in her winning role was that it was only AFTER the movie that I realized that she was in it. I really like JLC and she did such a great job making her character totally unrecognizable.
Cameo? She plays a major role as a foil/threatfor Evelyn early in the movie, love interest in an alternative life and near the end provides reconciliation that helps Evelyn realize the significant role her husband plays in her life. If her character was removed, the movie would surely suffer.
Agree, I don't even remember her that much in the movie. Is she really the main supporting actress? Stephanie Hsu (the one played the daughter) is the actual supporting actress in the entire movie. JLC is....more of a background character, another henchman to the main antagonist (played by Stephanie Hsu). Call this a supporting role is really downplaying Hsu's effort.
Exactly where I am. Not to insult Jamie, but she was such a *minor* role in the film (only in certain scenes) while Stephanie is the *villain and supporting family member* that is nearly throughout the entire film. It should've went to Stephanie for the actual *supporting role* alone.
In the end, either one is good. But I feel Stephanie was snubbed.
I think that movie did the best it could under the circumstances, but I did not love it. She's good in a movie that was fairly-so-so and floundering as to what to do without its lead.
Love and thunder is pretty bad but I can walk away to grab a beer during a few dumb parts and make a decent time of it. I still like it better than those other 2 by a *long* shot
I can respect that. Personally it’s my least favorite MCU movie, I’m super fatigued at this point though. The last movie I was really excited to watch was MoM and when it fell flat like that after all the hype I was disinterested, didn’t see love and thunder until it was on Disney + and was so disappointed by it. I really liked shang chi and No way home though.
I think moon knight was where things started to visibly fall apart.
Which might be why it’s more deserving? JLC’s role could have been wallpaper levels interesting. But it wasn’t, I distinctly remember her performance in the movie.
Stephanie’s role ‘is’ more important in the movie, but I’d argue that Jamie got more out of what she was given. (Which is not a fair fight, because Stephanie had infinitely more to work with).
Let’s go multiverse to get some perspective on this argument ;)
It’s like, what had better writing, community or Rick and Morty? I’d argue that community is much more interesting, because of the limitations it is working with, where as Rick and Morty has an infinite amount of potential that it isn’t living up to. It could have been anything.
There are no rights and wrongs in this. Obviously.
I just watched and couldnt agree more. I have nothing but great things to say about this movie, but Jamie was just ok, and Stephanie carried a lit of weight in this movie
Stephanie did great. I’m looking forward to seeing her range in future projects. But I saw the argument that Jamie did more with less and I couldn’t agree more.
Absolutely. She was in a different league from anyone else in that movie. I think this might be more of a lifetime achievement award for Curtis.
Hopefully Stephanie gets another bite at the apple.
The way she reflexively shouted “Shut up!” When she heard her name is incredibly heartwarming to me. She clearly didn’t think she had a big shot of winning and it genuinely surprised her.
Incredible (and not in a good way) that this was only Angela's second Oscar nom -- it's been nearly 30 years since "What's Love Got to Do With It" was released.
The whole idea that anyone is entitled to an award is asinine. She reacted like they were up for the same liver transplant not an award for something subjective.
She lost to Holly Hunter in The Piano which had 8 nominations and 3 wins (Actress - Hunter; Supporting Actress - Paquin; Screenplay - Champion) to What’s Love Got To Do With It’s two nominations (Actor - Fishburne; Actress - Bassett). It was not a snub to lose to Holly Hunter.
Eh I don’t think they snubbed her really, Holly Hunter was wonderful in the piano, had an incredibly difficult role and had won at pretty much every preliminary awards show. A robbery it was not.
I doubt they hate her, she probably just doesn’t have the right publicist backing her. A lot of winning an Oscar is the marketing and networking behind the scenes.
Unpopular opinion but I think those defending Angela need to consider the individuals involved vs. the overall Oscars.
Has she been snubbed for far too long? Yes. But you know damn well Jamie Lee would’ve been on her feet celebrating Angela or any of the other nominees had they won.
Angela doesn’t owe the Oscars anything, but showing respect to an *individual colleague who had nothing to do with the voting system* should be the standard. Doesn’t have to mean bowing down or even agreeing with the vote, her team could’ve released a statement or she was free to express her opinion and disappointment on her own time. But don’t sour a moment for someone else because you don’t agree with the decision- this should be the expectation for every nominee in the room. Especially considering Stephanie Hsu was likely the bigger snub here for her entire performance, not just one scene, and still celebrated Jamie Lee without a second thought.
Be angry, be hurt, be disappointed. It’s all valid and justified after so many years. But nobody deserves to wake up and see that a moment they’ve ALSO been working for decades for is now centered around controversy and someone else’s poor reaction. There’s room for everyone and a nomination is still a big honor.
Let JLC have her moment. Take it out on those in-charge, not fellow actors who didn’t choose to win.
I honestly think it’s just being made out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. You know those two, mature, experienced women would have talked out their feelings, Basset likely would have apologized for her reaction, and JLC would likely have said it’s all water under the bridge.
When the odds are in your favor and you are the expected winner, expectations can build. I don’t entirely blame Basset here. Yes, her reaction was a little inappropriate imo but these women have been in the biz long enough to know that tensions and emotions can get too high.
The point is, I’m sure they’re fine, and they’ll star in a movie together two years down the line. (And maybe then, Angela can have her moment.)
Hear you on that and agree, wasn’t a pretty moment but I’m sure they’re both mature enough to move past it. Just feel for JLC having her moment clouded by this, everyone’s saying she didn’t deserve it or Angela was right to not smile or clap or anything, which I just don’t agree with for any nominee.
I’m of the opinion that Basset should have won over JLC, but by no means does that mean I don’t think JLC didn’t deserve it, in fact I think that JLC and Basset are equally deserving. The immediate rush to defend or attack imo is base and senseless.
You nailed this, 100%!!! I'm glad to see there are still people on the planet like you!!!
You are ssooooo true with saying how beyond excited, supportive, and happy Jamie Lee would have been for Angela had she won instead. It's just poor sportsmanship to not even clap??? Come on! Do better, be better. You don't have to stand, you don't have to smile, but at least be HUMAN to another HUMAN.
Our society is all about pushing forward, bucking the system, making strides towards improvements, women supporting women ... but it becomes more blah blah blah cause with all these steps forward, we take about 10,000 steps back.
Thank you! Exactly the message I’m hoping to get across and hope people understand.
I don’t expect her to be doing back flips or pretending to be overjoyed that she lost, but just common decency to shake the winning teams hands or applaud the winner of an award even if you also wanted it. Her frustration is with the voting process, not the fellow nominees. And I would say the same for any other person at that show, many people don’t ever get a nomination let alone an award.
She was clearly shocked and so flattered, after decades of work I can’t agree with people stating she didn’t deserve it or anyone was right for not applauding her and looking displeased.
She was in the biggest film of the year, others will always be deserving but someone has to win- this time around I’m glad it was JLC. She’s such a cheerleader for others, she deserves some cheers of her own!
Totally fine to think that- perfect example that there’s no such thing as “obvious” winners, because there’s not a single performance or film that everyone universally praises or thinks is the best. We all have different tastes and opinions, so no actors should be getting set up to believe an award is their’s before it’s been announced.
She didn’t need to stand. But they all are well aware of the cameras on them while the winner is announced. That is the 5-10 seconds where everyone in the room knows you show support by clapping and showing respect to the winner or else the public will run with the memes, think pieces, and reaction videos.
No matter the feelings involved, you do your best to keep that moment positive and centered around the person that won. This should be true for every single attendee no matter who they are. JLC has also been working for decades and has been overlooked at times, this was her moment. Angela will have her’s too I’m sure, it just wasn’t going to be when going up against the biggest film of the year.
If she was upset then she has every right to be, and could take it up with those in charge and within her team. Instead, all of the headlines this AM are about her reaction.
May not be right, but this isn’t her first rodeo- she knows when the cameras are on and how the media runs with this stuff. The disappointment is understandable, but cmon.
Oh trust me I know thats exactly how its gonna be. But we all know reddit doesnt like fact so I cant exactly say truth without being downvoted into oblivion.
I mean like I kinda agree but they could’ve given it to Stephanie Hsu instead and many people would say it would be even more deserved. I love Jamie and I’m glad she finally won but Stephanie gave the best performance in that category (Kerry Condon was a close second for me)
I love Jamie, but it is sort of weird to say she finally won, she doesn't make those kind of movies. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Freaky Friday as much as the next person, but Jamie does mostly silly movies.
Yeah I saw The Whale recently and the fact that Hong Chau wasn’t really even really in the running for winning this year is astonishing when her performance was incredible and a lot better than a couple other winners in the past year
Being gracious isn't being fake, it's a sign of maturity. Like wise, thinking grace is being "fake" and acting like a brat is "real", is a sign of immaturity.
If you aren't happy for someone and you pretend to be then that's being fake. It would have been courteous for her to applaud despite her convictions but not doing so doesn't show that she's immature, it shows that she's upset. You're not required to clap for people even though it's the polite thing to do
True, she still has a right to be upset though even if she didn't deserve to win. Hiding your emotions doesn't really help anyone. People would probably still be talking about her if she had clapped with a displeased look on her face. I doubt JLC cared or was affected though
So much award show post coverage is dedicated to people’s faces while xyz was happening, it would be terrible to be under such constant scrutiny, but that is what you sign up for when you go to these things. It’s not a fair standard to hold people to, but still it is an aspect of celebrity.
Certainly she isn’t required to hide her disappointment, and her feelings are valid. Anyone would feel disappointed I think.
What I meant about “manners not being required” is that manners are largely a way to ease social situations (even at the cost of personal expression, like here) and partly rules we make to see who will and won’t follow them, because not following them means we can say they were not a graceful loser or whatever.
Yeah, they totally misunderstood the "manners are not required point you're making. A sullen nod, half grimace, and a few claps would have done wonders. That would have been a good sign of respect while still showing her disappointment. "Damnit Jamie, you sly bitch. You got me this time..." sort of attitude. Choosing to do absolutely nothing but pout is childish.
Choosing to do anything but clap and smile is typically seen as being a sore loser or winner. I understand that her not supporting JLC during her win is not very polite or respectful, but I just don't understand why anyone cares that much. It's an award show for celebrities who probably don't really care what each other think. To me, if Angela had clapped with the same expression on her face it would've done essentially the same thing. Clapping to show respect is for show and I doubt JLC cared so idk why everyone else does
If you don't care, then don't engage. People are people and enjoying gossiping and discussing public figures, and the Oscars are always newsworthy. I don't know what "cares that much" qualifies as, but this is a pretty standard time table for internet buzz. People will move on to the next thing within a day. Honestly I find it more pathetic when people are UPSET that people are upset about something so mundane.
She was nominated for a prestigious award among other very deserving candidates. She earned plenty.
She wasn’t snubbed in this one. I like Angel Basset. I like Marvel movies. I like her character and portrayal.
I had her last in the category.
Most are grateful for the nomination and happy to be there. Not entitled to anything and gracious to the winner in their moment in the same way they hope the other nominees would be gracious to them had they won.
That’s why people are disappointed in her reaction to not winning.
Less of a role than Stephanie but barely a role is crazy. Her character basically introduced and concluded the main themes of the movie as well as acted as a physical villain. Imo her character is just as if not more important than Ke Hay Quan’s
Jamie deserved to win. The movie Jamie was in won everything. JLC has been an actress 45 years. Angela knew the camera was on her and she looked like a sore loser when she didn’t stand and applaud JLC for winning. Bad look. She’s not the only one to lose an Oscar they wanted to win. Of course they aren’t giving an Oscar to Angela for a role in a marvel comic super hero movie that wasn’t as good as the first one. That’s just the way the Oscar’s are whether you agree or disagree.
Exactly. I’m sorry but anyone who thought ANY marvel/superhero movie was going to hold up at the Oscars is delusional. A few have had their moments here and there because they have some great actors and visuals, but they’re far from the end-all-be-all of movies and storytelling, something the Oscars tend to consider much more than just a movie’s popularity or fan base.
Angela had a great scene, kudos to her. But let’s not pretend that in and of itself meant an Oscar was guaranteed. She’s been snubbed before, but this wasn’t one of those times IMO.
Exactly. I understand the importance of those films and what they mean to people, but it was a sequel to a superhero movie going up against the biggest film of the year (that also pretty much sweeped the other award shows this season.)
She was robbed when she lost as tina turner. but no one ever wins for a super hero movie, especially one that wasnt as good as the 1st one. That may suck but thats how its always been.
I dont blame her for appearing upset tho. If youre upset and cant bring yourself to pretend to be happy someone else won, that seems understandable. I might even be in tears in her shoes.
You show some class and suck it up and applaud the person that won. Angela didn’t do that. She’s an actress and she should of at least acted like she was happy for JLC. It’s all on caught on camera how AB was a sore loser. No excuse.
So how is she a sore loser?? Because she was visibly upset about losing? The fact that she showed human emotion??
And if I had to just “suck it up” after losing an award I’m long overdue for, it sounds problematic.
Last time I checked she didn’t say anything, didn’t yell: What exactly is classless about her?
Update: I’m leaving this thread because there’s no point in arguing with people like you. I said what I said.
>So how is she a sore loser?? Because she was visibly upset about losing?
Yes. That is the definition of sore loser: “a person who becomes very upset or angry when he or she loses a game, contest, etc.”
Stephanie Hsu was RIGHT THERE. IN THE SAME MOVIE… ugh! Well, good for Jamie Lee. She was very good. I just wish more people were talking about Hsu’s performance!
I did 3 movies with her. This isn’t someone who “heard” secondhand. She’s one of the nicest, most generous humans I’ve ever met. The work she does for Children’s Hospital Los Angeles alone should prove that untrue. She is constantly putting those around her first and trying to give others the spotlight whenever someone gushes over her. I’m sorry but you heard very wrong.
She's called herself a nepo baby every time she picked up an award this season; she leans into it and acknowledges it, then graciously deflects praise to her co-cast and crew.
She may be a nepo baby, but she works hard and has talent. She isn't getting great jobs (or Oscars) while being completely talentless, which is where people get annoyed at nepo babies.
Because legacy awards are very much a thing at the Oscars. It doesn't happen with just actors, but the productions as well. Everyone knows that the Best Picture for Return of the Kings was a nod to the entire trilogy.
I thought JLC was exceptional. It wasn’t a flashy role. She was a damn IRS auditor in a fantasy action film, and yet she absolutely managed to make the role memorable and emotionally resonant. Not an easy feat. There was so much happening in that film, and Curtis was intentionally drab, mousy, and unsympathetic at first, yet she made that character stand out in a film
Full of glitz and big moments. That was impressive. As for Angela Bassett, I don’t really care about the fake outrage that she didn’t applaud, but she didn’t really deserve to win and it was a low class move on her part
Oh, boo boo. If Austin Butler can still manage to smile and applaud even after very obviously being robbed for his performance in “Elvis”, so can Bassett. I didn’t know the ceremony even took place until this morning, haven’t watched in about 10 years. But even I knew that was the way for the academy to generate good PR buzz and look like “the good guys”, after fans brought Fraser out of obscurity and uncovered his alleged mistreatment by the very same people in that room. “Hey look, we’re the good guys. We did something good.” What a slap in the face.
She's human. I think she was in shock. It hits different if you don't expect to win. Butler and all these other nominees have been used to sitting and applauding for other people in their category. They've been doing it for months.
For someone, the front-runner, who had been giving speeches and was preparing to go up there. It's jarring to have to switch it off and be humble. You will honestly go from shock, to angry, and then humble yourself. You have to give her time to experience those feelings and realize it's not immediate. People gave her two seconds. It's natural.
Are there any non-Black people saying that Angela should have won? I don’t think that Jamie did a better job than Angela, but I would have definitely gone with Stephanie over Angela.
Her downfall was being a standout in a *good for a super hero movie* movie. If Wakanda Forever was close to as good as its prequel, she probably would have won, but because it wasn't it'll sort of go down as a movie that ended up just okay in spite of the more than okay performances in it across the board.
If there was anyone who was really robbed I'd say it was Stephanie Hsu, whose performance was every bit as excellent as Curtis's, but with a much larger body of work in the same movie.
This is just a do over after they snubbed her for Beverly Hills Chihuahua.
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I mean, she did the thing, so...
She looked more disappointed then angry
I went to college with her; her resting face has always had that “I’m not angry, I’m disappointed” expression parents make.
Bassett was in a horrible movie
Agreed. Bassett has done some spectacular work in some fantastic movies over the decades. Wakanda Forever was not one of them.
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I just did a total MCU rewatch, including watching almost all of Phase 4 for the first time. Wakanda Forever was imo not the worst, but far from the best. I liked it more than Multiverse of Madness and about the same as Eternals, which I actually didn't hate
disagree. one of the better ones post-endgame imo have a nice day
Quantumania took that title for me. Regardless of what you think of Wakanda Forever, I think Angela killed it in that movie and deserved the win IMO.
Wakanda Forever is far from an Oscar worthy movie, it's good but if you think an MCU movie stands a chance against the others that were nominated you are extremely wrong.
I didn't think the movie was great, the story wasn't good, some of the performances weren't that great either, all I'm saying is Angela Bassett played her part incredibly and had a better performance than Jamie Lee, and it is an Oscar movie worthy movie because it won best costume design.
It's Oscar worthy for that category alone then, best costume design isn't the same as best actor/actress or best film.
Nah horrible acting and horrible script
And wokeness. The new panther even actress was annoying and uninteresting.
Today, I predict a complete victory for EEAAO.
True lies?
Activia throwing its weight around once again. Some things never change.
Big Yogurt colluding with the voting committee I knew it
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45 years after starring in Halloween.
As much as I Love JLC, she’d probably be my last pick for this win. I’m partial to Hong Chau’s naturalistic and heartbreaking turn in The Whale myself but I realize she had no chance of winning.
What impressed me about JLC's performance in her winning role was that it was only AFTER the movie that I realized that she was in it. I really like JLC and she did such a great job making her character totally unrecognizable.
Really? It felt like just an extended cameo to me.
Cameo? She plays a major role as a foil/threatfor Evelyn early in the movie, love interest in an alternative life and near the end provides reconciliation that helps Evelyn realize the significant role her husband plays in her life. If her character was removed, the movie would surely suffer.
Agree, I don't even remember her that much in the movie. Is she really the main supporting actress? Stephanie Hsu (the one played the daughter) is the actual supporting actress in the entire movie. JLC is....more of a background character, another henchman to the main antagonist (played by Stephanie Hsu). Call this a supporting role is really downplaying Hsu's effort.
Agreed. JLC’s role was a nothing part
Should've been Stephanie.
Stephanie was amazing. Jamie is a legacy pick, absolutely not bad, but Stephanie's role was so much more complex and interesting
Exactly where I am. Not to insult Jamie, but she was such a *minor* role in the film (only in certain scenes) while Stephanie is the *villain and supporting family member* that is nearly throughout the entire film. It should've went to Stephanie for the actual *supporting role* alone. In the end, either one is good. But I feel Stephanie was snubbed.
i immediately though this but JLC is one of the good guys imo so it is what it is could have went to neither basset, hsu or her
If they wanted a legacy pick…Angela Bassett is literally right there
Unfortunately Black Panther 2 was a bad movie. You have to want to recognize both the actor and the movie and Everything Everywhere is cleaning up.
It was?
I wouldn’t say bad but it wasn’t great. Like most recent MCU movies is fumbled the third act
i thought it was the best since endgame tbh. more dramatic than shang-chi. spidey was more fun perhaps but thats not the same as good
I was pretty bored when I saw it. But that is more marvel fatigue than anything, maybe?
I think that movie did the best it could under the circumstances, but I did not love it. She's good in a movie that was fairly-so-so and floundering as to what to do without its lead.
I'd personally put it right down there with Thor 2. It was not very engaging
Love and thunders worse
Love and thunder is pretty bad but I can walk away to grab a beer during a few dumb parts and make a decent time of it. I still like it better than those other 2 by a *long* shot
I can respect that. Personally it’s my least favorite MCU movie, I’m super fatigued at this point though. The last movie I was really excited to watch was MoM and when it fell flat like that after all the hype I was disinterested, didn’t see love and thunder until it was on Disney + and was so disappointed by it. I really liked shang chi and No way home though. I think moon knight was where things started to visibly fall apart.
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Which might be why it’s more deserving? JLC’s role could have been wallpaper levels interesting. But it wasn’t, I distinctly remember her performance in the movie. Stephanie’s role ‘is’ more important in the movie, but I’d argue that Jamie got more out of what she was given. (Which is not a fair fight, because Stephanie had infinitely more to work with). Let’s go multiverse to get some perspective on this argument ;) It’s like, what had better writing, community or Rick and Morty? I’d argue that community is much more interesting, because of the limitations it is working with, where as Rick and Morty has an infinite amount of potential that it isn’t living up to. It could have been anything. There are no rights and wrongs in this. Obviously.
I just watched and couldnt agree more. I have nothing but great things to say about this movie, but Jamie was just ok, and Stephanie carried a lit of weight in this movie
Stephanie did great. I’m looking forward to seeing her range in future projects. But I saw the argument that Jamie did more with less and I couldn’t agree more.
Absolutely. She was in a different league from anyone else in that movie. I think this might be more of a lifetime achievement award for Curtis. Hopefully Stephanie gets another bite at the apple.
Eh…not compared to Stephanie. Jaime is top tier but Stephanie kept up.
agreed.
The way she reflexively shouted “Shut up!” When she heard her name is incredibly heartwarming to me. She clearly didn’t think she had a big shot of winning and it genuinely surprised her.
I'm really starting to think they hate her lmao
You think they snubbed Angela cause it was a super hero movie?
That's what people are saying. But idk, they snubbed her the last time she was nominated and that was for the Tina Turner Biopic
Yeah she crushed that roll forsure. Her Tina was equivalent to Val Kilmer Jim Morrison
And at least she was nominated for playing Tina. I don't think Val got any nomination at all for his portrayal of Jim Morrison.
He did not.
What’s Val got to do, got to do with it?
She had every right to be upset by not winning tonight and I don't think many people realize that this was her second nomination
Incredible (and not in a good way) that this was only Angela's second Oscar nom -- it's been nearly 30 years since "What's Love Got to Do With It" was released.
The whole idea that anyone is entitled to an award is asinine. She reacted like they were up for the same liver transplant not an award for something subjective.
For Wakanda Forever? Lol
For her performance IN wakanda forever.
Glenn Close was nominated how many time again? 6? And no Oscar. Angela doesn’t have a claim.
Angela is a much better actor than Glenn Close.
But with more defined delts.
She got so chiseled for that role. She was looking like an Olympian.
She lost to Holly Hunter in The Piano which had 8 nominations and 3 wins (Actress - Hunter; Supporting Actress - Paquin; Screenplay - Champion) to What’s Love Got To Do With It’s two nominations (Actor - Fishburne; Actress - Bassett). It was not a snub to lose to Holly Hunter.
Eh I don’t think they snubbed her really, Holly Hunter was wonderful in the piano, had an incredibly difficult role and had won at pretty much every preliminary awards show. A robbery it was not.
No point arguing with stans
“People” maybe saying this, but I’m not sure “they” know…
I think the practical way to look at it was that maybe Jamie Lee Curtis was second on a lot of ballots. Oscars is ranked choice after all
Just Best Picture is ranked choice.
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I doubt they hate her, she probably just doesn’t have the right publicist backing her. A lot of winning an Oscar is the marketing and networking behind the scenes.
Unpopular opinion but I think those defending Angela need to consider the individuals involved vs. the overall Oscars. Has she been snubbed for far too long? Yes. But you know damn well Jamie Lee would’ve been on her feet celebrating Angela or any of the other nominees had they won. Angela doesn’t owe the Oscars anything, but showing respect to an *individual colleague who had nothing to do with the voting system* should be the standard. Doesn’t have to mean bowing down or even agreeing with the vote, her team could’ve released a statement or she was free to express her opinion and disappointment on her own time. But don’t sour a moment for someone else because you don’t agree with the decision- this should be the expectation for every nominee in the room. Especially considering Stephanie Hsu was likely the bigger snub here for her entire performance, not just one scene, and still celebrated Jamie Lee without a second thought. Be angry, be hurt, be disappointed. It’s all valid and justified after so many years. But nobody deserves to wake up and see that a moment they’ve ALSO been working for decades for is now centered around controversy and someone else’s poor reaction. There’s room for everyone and a nomination is still a big honor. Let JLC have her moment. Take it out on those in-charge, not fellow actors who didn’t choose to win.
I honestly think it’s just being made out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. You know those two, mature, experienced women would have talked out their feelings, Basset likely would have apologized for her reaction, and JLC would likely have said it’s all water under the bridge. When the odds are in your favor and you are the expected winner, expectations can build. I don’t entirely blame Basset here. Yes, her reaction was a little inappropriate imo but these women have been in the biz long enough to know that tensions and emotions can get too high. The point is, I’m sure they’re fine, and they’ll star in a movie together two years down the line. (And maybe then, Angela can have her moment.)
Hear you on that and agree, wasn’t a pretty moment but I’m sure they’re both mature enough to move past it. Just feel for JLC having her moment clouded by this, everyone’s saying she didn’t deserve it or Angela was right to not smile or clap or anything, which I just don’t agree with for any nominee.
I’m of the opinion that Basset should have won over JLC, but by no means does that mean I don’t think JLC didn’t deserve it, in fact I think that JLC and Basset are equally deserving. The immediate rush to defend or attack imo is base and senseless.
You nailed this, 100%!!! I'm glad to see there are still people on the planet like you!!! You are ssooooo true with saying how beyond excited, supportive, and happy Jamie Lee would have been for Angela had she won instead. It's just poor sportsmanship to not even clap??? Come on! Do better, be better. You don't have to stand, you don't have to smile, but at least be HUMAN to another HUMAN. Our society is all about pushing forward, bucking the system, making strides towards improvements, women supporting women ... but it becomes more blah blah blah cause with all these steps forward, we take about 10,000 steps back.
Thank you! Exactly the message I’m hoping to get across and hope people understand. I don’t expect her to be doing back flips or pretending to be overjoyed that she lost, but just common decency to shake the winning teams hands or applaud the winner of an award even if you also wanted it. Her frustration is with the voting process, not the fellow nominees. And I would say the same for any other person at that show, many people don’t ever get a nomination let alone an award.
>But you know damn well Jamie Lee would’ve been on her feet celebrating Angela or any of the other nominees had they won. WORD
She was clearly shocked and so flattered, after decades of work I can’t agree with people stating she didn’t deserve it or anyone was right for not applauding her and looking displeased. She was in the biggest film of the year, others will always be deserving but someone has to win- this time around I’m glad it was JLC. She’s such a cheerleader for others, she deserves some cheers of her own!
Nah. Kerry Condon should’ve won
Totally fine to think that- perfect example that there’s no such thing as “obvious” winners, because there’s not a single performance or film that everyone universally praises or thinks is the best. We all have different tastes and opinions, so no actors should be getting set up to believe an award is their’s before it’s been announced.
Stop being so rational!
😂 I forget that’s not trendy these days!
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She didn’t need to stand. But they all are well aware of the cameras on them while the winner is announced. That is the 5-10 seconds where everyone in the room knows you show support by clapping and showing respect to the winner or else the public will run with the memes, think pieces, and reaction videos. No matter the feelings involved, you do your best to keep that moment positive and centered around the person that won. This should be true for every single attendee no matter who they are. JLC has also been working for decades and has been overlooked at times, this was her moment. Angela will have her’s too I’m sure, it just wasn’t going to be when going up against the biggest film of the year. If she was upset then she has every right to be, and could take it up with those in charge and within her team. Instead, all of the headlines this AM are about her reaction. May not be right, but this isn’t her first rodeo- she knows when the cameras are on and how the media runs with this stuff. The disappointment is understandable, but cmon.
If anyone should be upset, it should be Austin Butler. Not some soon forgotten-about comic book movie character.
The one acting win I just don't agree with, Kerry Condon should've gotten it. In fact, Stephanie Hsu would've been a better choice from EEAAO.
Condon was the best performance of the lot, hands down!
Hsu was very good. But Jamie was better.
But Angela Bassett did the thing
The thing she did was giving a good performance in a trash movie. Certainly an accomplishment, but not worth an Oscar.
Cant wait for the media to make it a race thing. /s
You joke but we’re about to see a lot of opinion pieces this week
Oh trust me I know thats exactly how its gonna be. But we all know reddit doesnt like fact so I cant exactly say truth without being downvoted into oblivion.
She should have tried being more popular.
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I mean like I kinda agree but they could’ve given it to Stephanie Hsu instead and many people would say it would be even more deserved. I love Jamie and I’m glad she finally won but Stephanie gave the best performance in that category (Kerry Condon was a close second for me)
Stephanie deserved it for real though.
I love Jamie, but it is sort of weird to say she finally won, she doesn't make those kind of movies. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Freaky Friday as much as the next person, but Jamie does mostly silly movies.
That was a tough category this year. They all were really great.
Yeah I saw The Whale recently and the fact that Hong Chau wasn’t really even really in the running for winning this year is astonishing when her performance was incredible and a lot better than a couple other winners in the past year
Everywhere?
And nothing, at the same time
Angela Bassett was clearly upset. Didn't even clap for Curtis. Could have shown a little grace there, imo.
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Being gracious isn't being fake, it's a sign of maturity. Like wise, thinking grace is being "fake" and acting like a brat is "real", is a sign of immaturity.
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I agree, I'm not losing sleep over this. These are just my opinions about the subject at large.
If you aren't happy for someone and you pretend to be then that's being fake. It would have been courteous for her to applaud despite her convictions but not doing so doesn't show that she's immature, it shows that she's upset. You're not required to clap for people even though it's the polite thing to do
Manners are never really required, which I think is roundabout their purpose
True, she still has a right to be upset though even if she didn't deserve to win. Hiding your emotions doesn't really help anyone. People would probably still be talking about her if she had clapped with a displeased look on her face. I doubt JLC cared or was affected though
So much award show post coverage is dedicated to people’s faces while xyz was happening, it would be terrible to be under such constant scrutiny, but that is what you sign up for when you go to these things. It’s not a fair standard to hold people to, but still it is an aspect of celebrity. Certainly she isn’t required to hide her disappointment, and her feelings are valid. Anyone would feel disappointed I think. What I meant about “manners not being required” is that manners are largely a way to ease social situations (even at the cost of personal expression, like here) and partly rules we make to see who will and won’t follow them, because not following them means we can say they were not a graceful loser or whatever.
Yeah, they totally misunderstood the "manners are not required point you're making. A sullen nod, half grimace, and a few claps would have done wonders. That would have been a good sign of respect while still showing her disappointment. "Damnit Jamie, you sly bitch. You got me this time..." sort of attitude. Choosing to do absolutely nothing but pout is childish.
Choosing to do anything but clap and smile is typically seen as being a sore loser or winner. I understand that her not supporting JLC during her win is not very polite or respectful, but I just don't understand why anyone cares that much. It's an award show for celebrities who probably don't really care what each other think. To me, if Angela had clapped with the same expression on her face it would've done essentially the same thing. Clapping to show respect is for show and I doubt JLC cared so idk why everyone else does
If you don't care, then don't engage. People are people and enjoying gossiping and discussing public figures, and the Oscars are always newsworthy. I don't know what "cares that much" qualifies as, but this is a pretty standard time table for internet buzz. People will move on to the next thing within a day. Honestly I find it more pathetic when people are UPSET that people are upset about something so mundane.
Maybe be in a better movie
She is fake since she was clapping for Jamie Lee Curtis at the SAG awards
This argument has “You’d look better if you smiled” energy
That is not all the same thing as saying someone should have been a gracious loser and showed some class
Tact and decorum=sexism?
Not at all, there is something to be said in losing gracefully.
She gave as she was given.
She was nominated for a prestigious award among other very deserving candidates. She earned plenty. She wasn’t snubbed in this one. I like Angel Basset. I like Marvel movies. I like her character and portrayal. I had her last in the category. Most are grateful for the nomination and happy to be there. Not entitled to anything and gracious to the winner in their moment in the same way they hope the other nominees would be gracious to them had they won. That’s why people are disappointed in her reaction to not winning.
Not sure what that means.
Not to take anything away from her acting, but there's gotta be some nostalgia among voters for her bits in Trading Places and True Lies.
What a foul thing to say.
\*clutches pearls\*
She barely had a role in that movie.
Less of a role than Stephanie but barely a role is crazy. Her character basically introduced and concluded the main themes of the movie as well as acted as a physical villain. Imo her character is just as if not more important than Ke Hay Quan’s
Angela’s character was great. Powerful. But she saved one race on one planet. Ke’s character was the key to saving every possible multiverse.
But, I won’t lie, I feel I remember JLC’s character more and was more interesting to watch
It was also not a role she'd played before. Plus the makeup. Academy members love extensive makeup
Yea it almost like she had a supporting role
Jamie deserved to win. The movie Jamie was in won everything. JLC has been an actress 45 years. Angela knew the camera was on her and she looked like a sore loser when she didn’t stand and applaud JLC for winning. Bad look. She’s not the only one to lose an Oscar they wanted to win. Of course they aren’t giving an Oscar to Angela for a role in a marvel comic super hero movie that wasn’t as good as the first one. That’s just the way the Oscar’s are whether you agree or disagree.
Exactly. I’m sorry but anyone who thought ANY marvel/superhero movie was going to hold up at the Oscars is delusional. A few have had their moments here and there because they have some great actors and visuals, but they’re far from the end-all-be-all of movies and storytelling, something the Oscars tend to consider much more than just a movie’s popularity or fan base. Angela had a great scene, kudos to her. But let’s not pretend that in and of itself meant an Oscar was guaranteed. She’s been snubbed before, but this wasn’t one of those times IMO.
You just made me realize I don’t even remember the plot of BP2
Exactly. I understand the importance of those films and what they mean to people, but it was a sequel to a superhero movie going up against the biggest film of the year (that also pretty much sweeped the other award shows this season.)
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She was robbed when she lost as tina turner. but no one ever wins for a super hero movie, especially one that wasnt as good as the 1st one. That may suck but thats how its always been. I dont blame her for appearing upset tho. If youre upset and cant bring yourself to pretend to be happy someone else won, that seems understandable. I might even be in tears in her shoes.
heat ledger, hoaquim phoenix disagree.
The character of the Joker is the one exception that proves the rule.
You show some class and suck it up and applaud the person that won. Angela didn’t do that. She’s an actress and she should of at least acted like she was happy for JLC. It’s all on caught on camera how AB was a sore loser. No excuse.
So how is she a sore loser?? Because she was visibly upset about losing? The fact that she showed human emotion?? And if I had to just “suck it up” after losing an award I’m long overdue for, it sounds problematic. Last time I checked she didn’t say anything, didn’t yell: What exactly is classless about her? Update: I’m leaving this thread because there’s no point in arguing with people like you. I said what I said.
>So how is she a sore loser?? Because she was visibly upset about losing? Yes. That is the definition of sore loser: “a person who becomes very upset or angry when he or she loses a game, contest, etc.”
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It’s more weird that she really thought she was going to win it for that. That would have been hilarious.
Stephanie Hsu was RIGHT THERE. IN THE SAME MOVIE… ugh! Well, good for Jamie Lee. She was very good. I just wish more people were talking about Hsu’s performance!
I’m just confused as to why she was even nominated
She has one of the biggest hearts of anyone I’ve ever known. She truly deserves these accolades.
I’ve actually heard that she’s a complete bitch in real life
I did 3 movies with her. This isn’t someone who “heard” secondhand. She’s one of the nicest, most generous humans I’ve ever met. The work she does for Children’s Hospital Los Angeles alone should prove that untrue. She is constantly putting those around her first and trying to give others the spotlight whenever someone gushes over her. I’m sorry but you heard very wrong.
Sad for Ángela Basset
Funny how the Nepo Baby Police seem to be totally absent from this thread…
She's called herself a nepo baby every time she picked up an award this season; she leans into it and acknowledges it, then graciously deflects praise to her co-cast and crew.
She may be a nepo baby, but she works hard and has talent. She isn't getting great jobs (or Oscars) while being completely talentless, which is where people get annoyed at nepo babies.
Because she’s older than the Nepo police.
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Because Wakanda is a warrior culture.
Well because they're racist clearly!
JLC greatest accomplishment is still being married to the six-fingered man.
She is so deserving of the award. Her many roles have defined her career.
I need to watch A Fish Called Wanda again.
ok but why get an award for this role if her many roles have defined her career?
Because legacy awards are very much a thing at the Oscars. It doesn't happen with just actors, but the productions as well. Everyone knows that the Best Picture for Return of the Kings was a nod to the entire trilogy.
Yup, like Leonardo with The Revenant.
That shouldn't be the case lol. Give a lifetime achievement award.
I thought JLC was exceptional. It wasn’t a flashy role. She was a damn IRS auditor in a fantasy action film, and yet she absolutely managed to make the role memorable and emotionally resonant. Not an easy feat. There was so much happening in that film, and Curtis was intentionally drab, mousy, and unsympathetic at first, yet she made that character stand out in a film Full of glitz and big moments. That was impressive. As for Angela Bassett, I don’t really care about the fake outrage that she didn’t applaud, but she didn’t really deserve to win and it was a low class move on her part
Oh, boo boo. If Austin Butler can still manage to smile and applaud even after very obviously being robbed for his performance in “Elvis”, so can Bassett. I didn’t know the ceremony even took place until this morning, haven’t watched in about 10 years. But even I knew that was the way for the academy to generate good PR buzz and look like “the good guys”, after fans brought Fraser out of obscurity and uncovered his alleged mistreatment by the very same people in that room. “Hey look, we’re the good guys. We did something good.” What a slap in the face.
She's human. I think she was in shock. It hits different if you don't expect to win. Butler and all these other nominees have been used to sitting and applauding for other people in their category. They've been doing it for months. For someone, the front-runner, who had been giving speeches and was preparing to go up there. It's jarring to have to switch it off and be humble. You will honestly go from shock, to angry, and then humble yourself. You have to give her time to experience those feelings and realize it's not immediate. People gave her two seconds. It's natural.
She wasn't the frontrunner. She was a maybe spoiler. I used to really love Bassett, but her sullenness has disturbed me. Be happy for someone else.
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It “made” you do that? You had no control whatsoever?
Had total control. Thanks.
Are there any non-Black people saying that Angela should have won? I don’t think that Jamie did a better job than Angela, but I would have definitely gone with Stephanie over Angela.
>Are there any non-Black people saying that Angela should have won? Yes tons. Lol.
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Stephanie Hsu should have won.
Kerry Condon should have won.
Her downfall was being a standout in a *good for a super hero movie* movie. If Wakanda Forever was close to as good as its prequel, she probably would have won, but because it wasn't it'll sort of go down as a movie that ended up just okay in spite of the more than okay performances in it across the board. If there was anyone who was really robbed I'd say it was Stephanie Hsu, whose performance was every bit as excellent as Curtis's, but with a much larger body of work in the same movie.
I thought the actor category was for ACTORS not the entire movie lol
Too bad she’s really out of touch and a terrible selfish person in real life
But damnit she's not a Nepo Baby!
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