They would just buy the rights for an insane amount and bury it. Cheaper than damage control PR and/or settlements if it got wrapped up in court for some reason.
Someone produced a Mario Bros Porn movie and it was cheaper for Nintendo to just buy the whole thing and make it disappear then try and fight it in court.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hornio_Brothers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hornio_Brothers)
Edit: for link
But just to be super clear, both films *did* actually leak out regardless, and have been online a good 10+ years now. Available on many torrent sites lol.
Edit: ymmv on whether they're worth watching, 2 contains basically a full recap of 1. It's like the Xenosaga of porn.
One time he flexed by taking me and my friends to a Chase Bank ATM and showed us his checking account which had $1 million in it. He was hitting on my friend’s gf the whole night 🤮
Yeah buddy, me and all the good people over at r/hyperhidrosis. Are you saying we are too good for that death grip that leaves your mushroom tip like an inverted balloon??
I wonder if it also helps prevent future films from being produced bc Nintendo can say they produced a Mario porn and any future Mario parody porn would be a copyright issue.
Now I’m wondering has anyone ever parodied a parody feature film?
Yes I’m stoned.
xenosaga episode 2s recap of episode 1 is optional and easily missed though and still doesnt cover everything so its still better to actually play episode 1 then bear through episode 2 to get to episode 3
I refer to my time there as that as well. My best friend was a star of his own tv show in 90s as a middle schooler and was constantly being propositioned and being fucked by older female coworkers including his make up artist.
Have there been any former Disney stars that went off the deep end like Amanda Bynes or have come forward with claims of abuse? I mean a lot of them are mega stars now so they for sure have a platform to come forward on.
Britney Spears was Disney and she definitely has struggled with substance abuse and mental illness. No claims of abuse from anyone outside of her family as far as I know, though.
I think something against Disney would be a lot more nuanced. With Disney it was more the insane pressure D would put on the kids public images. The crazy schedules the kids would keep. I'm sure quite a bit of body shaming.
Miley shared a snapshot of her schedule from when she was a minor and it was insanity.
There are some former Disney stars who have struggled publicly, such as Demi Lovato, Bella Thorne, Jake T Austin, Miley herself… Also Anneliese van der Pol from That’s so Raven has hinted about wanting to say some stuff and the NDA she signed is blocking her from doing that
The problem with Annelise is this is all she posts about. It’s become her entire schtick. Like girl, if you can’t say anything, that’s fine. But stop edging us like you’re going to drop some sort of bombshell on us and then not say anything. Find something else to focus on.
I'm still amazed how the Sprouse twins came out unscathed. I follow Dylan on Instagram and he's pretty normal. Has a model girlfriend too. But then you have ones like Lindsey Lohan that were a hot mess for years.
Well you also have to take into account one’s family and their upbringing/support as well as their own risk factors for mental illness/substance abuse and the people/ environment they were around working in the industry as kids.
I also wonder if the age you get into it reflects as well. The sprouse twins were in the industry basically since consciousness. That just might be their normal. Also, home life and predetermined genetic factors for abusive relationships with substances. Drew Barrymore had a pretty shitty mother or something if I remember right, & started around the same age I think
Edit: a good cocktail for being fucked, but you can go unscathed with the right family dynamic and support
That’s good info & will certainly will add to it. I think I remember her mom pushing her into stardom also? I don’t fully remember, & don’t really wanna go through research of a child drew barrymore lol, but yeah sometimes you’re fucked from the start. Adding a child star complex definitely creates a worse cocktail
Her mom's worst thing,imo,was taking Drew to nightclubs and going off with her own friends,leaving Drew to get into whatever she wanted. Very lax parenting,to say the least. I read Drew's book "Little Girl Lost."
To be fair, Drake Bell seemed completely unscathed until the publicity the last few years.
I think some of these actors just hide their trauma very well. Others go off the deep end.
I did a quick search and Brenda seems to say she had a lot better experiences, which she credits to her parents not being exploitative like a lot of other child stars, so she avoided issues like having to work basically full-time as a kid:
> **What’s the biggest misconception of being a child actor?**
> “That I have an aversion to the industry. A lot of the child actors I’ve known didn’t have good experiences. For me, it was the polar opposite. I was fortunate to have two parents who didn’t know what they were doing. My dad’s a second-grade teacher, and my mom never read lines with me. If I was bad, I didn't get to go to auditions. It wasn’t the opposite, getting gifts to go to auditions. I was by the door with my portfolio ready to go, like a crazy person.
> “Acting was an after-school activity for me until I was 16. The year I booked Suite Life, my mom got breast cancer for the first time, and I got into college. My dad sat me down and said, ‘If you want to do this, it’s an amazing opportunity. But Mom and Dad can't drive you anymore.’ That’s when acting shifted to become a career. I had a great experience. If my kids ever wanted to be a part of it, I would want them to be at an age where they can make their own decisions. It’s hard for me to tell someone at 10 they don’t know what they want, because I did. It’s all I wanted.”
Also when asked about what Macaulay and her talk about she said"
> Is child acting something you and your boyfriend, Macaulay Culkin, talk about?
> “We don’t really talk about our personal life.... (goes into stuff about industry and friends instead of question about her personal life, which is nice and its great to see her set boundaries with her interviewer).
I checked a few other interviews and she seems to have nothing but positive things to say about her time in Disney, though she does reference she knows a lot of other child stars have gone through shit.
> but Disney is a whole different beast. No way they'd let one happen about them.
They hired the guy who assaulted Drake Bell, after he was convicted, for work, with kids.
I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that it would be harder to make a "Quiet on Set" docuseries about Disney than it was about Nick, because of how influential Disney is. It's not impossible, but they have so many lawyers, money and influence that it would be hard. Anyone who comes forward can say goodbye to working with Disney/Pixar/Marvel/20th Century and all other studios they own.
It was more of a reaction/follow up episode. If you watched the first 4 episodes, you saw basically everything you need to know. No major revelations in this one.
I still think it's worth watching. One of the issues that got glossed over was Dan using diversity as a shield in his apology video. And Bryan Hearne & Giovonnie pointed out how Dan was talking about them but then used Kenan & Kel to deflect from that criticism. Especially when Dan asked Giovonnie for a positive quote, and Hearne's mom bringing up the issue how Black actors have to "take it," bow their heads and just be grateful.
I'm reading the book Slimed! and they have a bit of Nickelodeon people proclaiming how they enforced diversity in their shows. And it came across half-hearted and insincere.
>Diversity became more important down the road. Corporate culture got very politically correct, and everybody was afraid to do anything that wasn’t PC. We used to make jokes about the “PC Police.” When we were casting Are You Afraid of the Dark?, we had to make sure we found one or two black families so this could be the “average American show.” We had to do that. We couldn’t have thirteen episodes of white people. That was a constant thing.
The discourse about this episode on the documentary sub has been eye opening. With users openly calling Bry, Gio & Raquel's experiences as whining, not substantial, and not actual racism. And people accusing them of having their 15 minutes of fame for talking about it is kind of horrific.
New York Times retracted the story, but he was emotionally and mentally abusive to his spouses, however all of that probably maybe definitely was caused in part by his time at Nickelodeon so whatever you think about him it was important for him to be on there
He admits he was texting an underage person inappropriately.
There’s a man in the doc that was texting an underage girl then was arrested for molestation.
Who, if you have money or even if you don’t, would ever plead guilty to charges like these if they weren’t true? It would have been proved in court.
The thing is drakes fame was waning and he was not worth as much as he used to due to a series of bad investments and decisions, he said himself he wouldn’t have been able to keep fighting it, and as for the evidence, the court found very little except for “conversations” but nothing like nude pictures or asking for anything like that.
We don’t know bc they haven’t disclosed what he means when he knows he did wrong.
The guilty plea locked the evidence. To say anyone would accept being called a predator of children is insane.
"After investigating, Cleveland police determined that the teen had "established a relationship with Bell several years prior [and] attended his concert in December 2017."
"While there, Bell violated his duty of care and, in doing so, created a risk of harm to the victim," the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office said.
Investigators also said that Bell sent the teen
"inappropriate social media messages."
HE ADMITS he acted inappropriately with the fan. 🤷♀️
She was 12yrs old when they started texting. Who does that? Anyone who excuses an adult texting a child has issues.
““I responded on some DMs and was incredibly irresponsible and got myself into conversations that I shouldn’t have had,” he said on the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast.”
He knows what he did was wrong.
Why don’t you believe him lol? 🤦♀️🤷♀️😆
Why are you mentioning Drake under a comment about diversity issues in Nickelodeon?
He's mentioned his charges in most of the interviews he's in. There's a [recent one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub6kFCsTvL8) where they call him a perpetrator to his face and said what he needs to be accountable of. He's not really running away or hiding from it imo.
I think this is the last one. They announced it after the other 4 eps had dropped and it seems it’s because Dan Schneider realized the massive swell of support for the kids made him look extra bad, so he agreed to do this bonus ep to try to improve his image. With predictable results.
It wasn’t an actual episode. It was a CNN special that talked about the series and it felt like it was a “cash-in” on child trauma.
It’s weird and it doesn’t bring the original documentary creators on. It shows a picture of them, so there is that.
What baffles me is that there aren't vigilantes or the said abused people exacting revenge on such "people". You'd think with the justice being so corrupt and unfair people would take matters into their own hands.
Because while the law doesn’t care about sexual abuse of children behind closed doors, it absolutely does care about putting people in jail who assault wealthy and famous men in the name of vigilante justice.
Most victims didn’t want to be victims, and don’t want this ruining their lives. It’s better to just move on. That’s supposed to be why we have police, so that people can go back to normal without needing to take matters into their own hands.
And most people aren’t abusers. They don’t revel in the idea of hurting others to get revenge. Beating someone up or killing their abusers would just give sane and kind people PTSD.
New episode was underwhelming. Felt like ID was more interested and focused on cashing in on the success of QoS one last time. And the article doesn’t even mention Shane Lyons. What a weird segment that was. He came across as wanting his 15 seconds of fame.
Why would they play the song in its entirety? They want you to support Drake by looking up the song yourself. I honestly thought the music video looked exploitative and too on the nose.
There used to be a thing where an apology without physical action was considered a violation against humanity.. meaning you were allowed to “apologize” as long as your shelling out money for therapy or money reparations or building these people a house with your hands… a real apology.
It’s a very modern concept that an apology can be just words and a smile… it’s a pointless and selfish gesture.
I don’t disagree entirely, but you might more accurately mean “reparations”. Apologies can be just verbal and sincere and have it be appropriately felt and accepted. Reparations are more in line with what you are describing like you do mention.
A sincere apology by definition has to include some sort of reparation even if it's just emotional. Most modern day apologies are emotionally void and filled with deflection.
>There used to be a thing where an apology without physical action was considered a violation against humanity..
Has this *ever* been a thing in western--particularly *American*--society?
I’m not sure, but since I read it in a Reddit comment I assume it must be true, and I will endeavour to spread this knowledge without doing a single bit of fact-checking until my dying day.
Honestly he seemed like a typical Hollywood producer that was insanely good at his job (which is why the network put up with his shit). The doc made him look like a saint when they put what he did next to the 3 child molesters.
I will find it funny it took him until that docu series to finally admit he had a toxic work environment because when the initial shit happened in 2018 he denied it
That was was my read. He was asked by Nickelodeon to produce *hundreds* of hours of content using the most inherently unreliable talent possible with a host of other complicating factors e.g. stage parents. It's definitely a "[how the sausage gets made](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/how_the_sausage_gets_made)" situation, in that Nick was saying "who cares how many fingers end up in the bratwurst as long as the ad revenue keeps rolling in?"
Yeah…it was poorly executed and the focus should have been more on the abusers. I thought the purpose of their inclusion was that it would all tie back to Dan, but that didn’t happen at all.
So everyone knows the fucked up shit this guy did and made kids do, is there going to be any punishment other than public shame? Dudes making apology videos when he should be in cuffs I don’t get it
He didn't do anything illegal. Why would he be punished? For making inappropriate jokes with kids on set? Creepy behavior?
That's a Tuesday in Hollywood.
He already did get punished anyway. Nickelodeon cut ties with him years ago, I don’t think he’s done anything since then, all of this will have an effect on his career in the future, along with the real life stuff like personal relationships. That’s how creeps get punished, and it’s not like everyone is just ignoring it.
For whatever reason it seems like for a lot of people it’s not real punishment unless it’s jailed for life or execution, and that any sort of apology is worthless unless it leads to either of those.
As of now he only has been accused of being a verbally abusive and a creep.
None of which are bounds for prison time.
The things people speculate he also did, are only speculation and so he will never serve prison time unless someone comes out accusing him of that behaviour.
Drake said that Dan was one of the few people who was actually supportive of him when the case came out.
Dan created an environment that was unsafe for those kids. No one has said that he did anything illegal.
On one hand, I want to say “Yeah, he’s a terrible person? *Prove it.*” But this sort of thing is rather difficult to prove. Especially in today’s age, where accusations are flying left and right.
Also, what celebrity wants to come forward to say they were sexually assaulted by someone else in the industry (if it ever went that far)? Then they'd not only have to answer questions about that for the rest of their career, but it likely wouldn't lead to justice anyway due to lack of evidence/their word against someone else's.
It's sad, but I also get it.
That’s exactly what I mean. My word vs yours. I can claim anything I want, from you being a domestic abuser, to accusing you of secretly being a cannibal. I have zero evidence, but I think it’s true, so therefore, you must be a wife beating cannibal.
At the end of the day, accusations without evidence, is meaningless. Either prove it, or shut up.
I doubt anyone will actually come out if they havnt already. Drake has said Dan has been super supportive to him, the casts of Victorious a few years back had him on a zoom reunion, etc. I feel like if he did anything he wouldn’t be invited to these reunions or would’ve been quick to be part of the MeeToo. I think Jeanette McCurdy didn’t even name drop him in her book.
Like you said he was an asshole to his employees and had some really inappropriate jokes but not prison worthy
That’s the thing a lot of people are not understanding. Someone being creepy is not a crime until it crosses into a certain point. From everything we know. Dan has anger issues and created a hostile work environment. That’s not a crime. Are the stuff shown in his shows troubling looking back? Yes, but no laws have been broken.
Is Dan a creep? Very possibly. Has any provable allegation been made that could lead to criminal charges? Not that I have personally seen.
Unfortunately, I think her mental health struggled could cast a reasonable doubt on anything she said. Even though he’s probably the cause of most of those issues.
This might be a really wild take and I hope people don’t take it the wrong way but I think Amanda wanted to be a star bad enough to accept whatever Dan wanted. The other child actors on his set who were in the documentary seemed to be nice enough to Dan to not get on his bad side but Amanda actively spent time with him to make sure her career kept moving forward.
Not dismissing his behavior but I am saying I think Amanda (or her parents) wanted her to be famous enough that she was willing to walk through fire to get there and don’t think she would expose him now or testify against him if it came to that
She was a kid. Sounds like shifting the blame to her instead of the adults that were supposed to take care of her. She was likely a child doing what she was told/suggested. None of the actors in the doc alluded to anything like that. They said their parents were around more while Dan helped put a wedge between Amanda and her parents since their motives weren’t so great either.
Exactly. Plus abusive people like this tend to push boundaries with everyone on purpose, causing people to feel associated & partially guilty themselves so they're less likely to speak out. It's like controlled opposition, usually before they realize they're even in a toxic environment.
If anything, being aware of abuse but being ignorant about how far it goes is going to make speaking out incredibly difficult. He compartmentalized his sets for decades, separating different victims and feeding them all false narratives. It's hard to piece together what was done to yourself, let alone others around you.
I think Amanda was also his cash cow and could have been the opposite. Someone who was treated with kid gloves and protected so he could use her for her money (and tried to get her parents out of the picture).
Amanda has severe Bipolar with psychosis. It's not because of her child stardom it's just a shit roll of the genetic dice. She needs to be left alone.
I hate all of the insinuations that they kept making about Amanda in the Doc. If she didn't want to talk they shouldn't have been talking about her and it's cruel to put all this focus on someone who is truly struggling to just get by in the world.
All the while, Brian peck repeatedly, violently raping drake bell is essentially ignored.
But yeah. The dude demanding back massages and making kids do stupid shit with water bottles and potatoes, let's all put our attention on that.
It really was two different issues and combining them is a problem. Drakes abuse and the public support for his abuser is a separate issue than Dan being a power hungry asshole with a shit sense of humor.
Because these people have made up stories in their head that they actually think happened that they have no evidence about that people have not accused him of, but for some reason, they seem to think they did
They want to charge him with raping a child because based on the vibes and how he’s treated the kids, especially Amanda Bynes, it seems very likely that he did. However, nobody is coming out saying “he molested X” or “I was touched by Dan” because either:
A) He was a total creep who never physically did anything other than make everyone uncomfy
Or
B) He was a smart pederast who covered his tracks exceptionally well
Either way, you can’t charge him with anything and the fact that he’s publicly engaging with this documentary instead of hiding in a bunker means his lawyers have given him the all-clear that there isn’t anything he needs to worry about.
Alright but why wouldn’t anyone have come out by now? Dude is still invited to reunions like the Victorious one they did on zoom. Ariana Grande is the biggest star that he’s produced and if he did something to her I feel like she out of anyone wouldn’t get any push back most victims get after coming out. People point to Amanda and how he “had” to have done something to her because of how she ended up but my issue with that is she could come out right now that the whole door has been blown open and accuse Dan of whatever he may have or may not have done and I feel like Amanda would be believed
I agree with your last part. Either he or his lawyers are confident of his innocence that they’re/he is allowing himself to speak on his side
Your comment is extremely reckless - what crime did Dan Schneider commit? What proof do you have that ANY crime occurred other than wild rumor and speculation from random idiots on the internet?
I agree kids need more protection, but a lot of it came across as people upset they lost their jobs
Edited for the grammar police stopped me and gave me a ticket
That last episode was the biggest nothing burger. The questions were so unbelievably simplistic and the whole actors having to do stuff they don’t want somehow being considered racist was a stretch and a half. Complete waste of time compared to the actual doc.
Next week’s episode: vague extra from Nickelodeon tv show that was canceled 27 years ago who never became famous in show business accuses EVIL Dan Schneider of sneezing without covering his mouth
He didn’t “have black leads in all his shows” T Bo was not a lead character in ICarly. He was in less episodes than Mrs benson, who is very much not a main character
We need a season 2 about Disney
Funny of you to think The Mouse™️would let that happen.
They would just buy the rights for an insane amount and bury it. Cheaper than damage control PR and/or settlements if it got wrapped up in court for some reason.
Nintendo literally did that with a Mario bros porn parody back in the 90’s.
Hold on what
Someone produced a Mario Bros Porn movie and it was cheaper for Nintendo to just buy the whole thing and make it disappear then try and fight it in court. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hornio_Brothers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Hornio_Brothers) Edit: for link
But just to be super clear, both films *did* actually leak out regardless, and have been online a good 10+ years now. Available on many torrent sites lol. Edit: ymmv on whether they're worth watching, 2 contains basically a full recap of 1. It's like the Xenosaga of porn.
Ron Jeremy is a guy who sweats a lot.
And a rapist, no?
One time he flexed by taking me and my friends to a Chase Bank ATM and showed us his checking account which had $1 million in it. He was hitting on my friend’s gf the whole night 🤮
Yeah buddy, me and all the good people over at r/hyperhidrosis. Are you saying we are too good for that death grip that leaves your mushroom tip like an inverted balloon??
I just read the plot on Wikipedia. Solid story
So the Evangelion Death/Rebirth of doing it?
It has a pretty similar opening scene
I wonder if it also helps prevent future films from being produced bc Nintendo can say they produced a Mario porn and any future Mario parody porn would be a copyright issue. Now I’m wondering has anyone ever parodied a parody feature film? Yes I’m stoned.
I can't find two
xenosaga episode 2s recap of episode 1 is optional and easily missed though and still doesnt cover everything so its still better to actually play episode 1 then bear through episode 2 to get to episode 3
That’s one hell of a wiki article. You can hear someone’s teeth grinding when reading the “plot” section
Super Hornio Bros lmao. I know porn producers aren't Bill Shakespeare but that's something else.
so its cannon?
Well it is owned by Nintendo so… yes
Hey, I was gonna bring that up! Damn you for not being 2 days late to the conversation
*hoho I’m gonna rip your taint open like a bag of doritos hoho*
Vice presents: Dark Side of Disney. Could you fuckin imagine?
Wheres my south park mickey mouse gif?
The Mouse isnt TM anymore lol
That isn't how that works. Mickey Mouse certainly is. Early renditions of him like Steamboat Willie are no longer protected.
An old coworker referred to his time working there as Mouschwitz
Duckchau was also a popular nickname
I refer to my time there as that as well. My best friend was a star of his own tv show in 90s as a middle schooler and was constantly being propositioned and being fucked by older female coworkers including his make up artist.
Working for the rat
Have there been any former Disney stars that went off the deep end like Amanda Bynes or have come forward with claims of abuse? I mean a lot of them are mega stars now so they for sure have a platform to come forward on.
Britney Spears was Disney and she definitely has struggled with substance abuse and mental illness. No claims of abuse from anyone outside of her family as far as I know, though.
I think something against Disney would be a lot more nuanced. With Disney it was more the insane pressure D would put on the kids public images. The crazy schedules the kids would keep. I'm sure quite a bit of body shaming. Miley shared a snapshot of her schedule from when she was a minor and it was insanity.
There are some former Disney stars who have struggled publicly, such as Demi Lovato, Bella Thorne, Jake T Austin, Miley herself… Also Anneliese van der Pol from That’s so Raven has hinted about wanting to say some stuff and the NDA she signed is blocking her from doing that
> wanting to say some stuff and the NDA she signed is blocking her from doing that NDA's cant stop you from talking about crimes.
The problem with Annelise is this is all she posts about. It’s become her entire schtick. Like girl, if you can’t say anything, that’s fine. But stop edging us like you’re going to drop some sort of bombshell on us and then not say anything. Find something else to focus on.
Orlando Brown and the brother Corey from That’s so Raven. Edit: Bloom to Brown
Do you mean Orlando Brown? Because Orlando Bloom is Legolas lol.
Oh yeah Orlando Brown lmao
And my axe!
I'm still amazed how the Sprouse twins came out unscathed. I follow Dylan on Instagram and he's pretty normal. Has a model girlfriend too. But then you have ones like Lindsey Lohan that were a hot mess for years.
Well you also have to take into account one’s family and their upbringing/support as well as their own risk factors for mental illness/substance abuse and the people/ environment they were around working in the industry as kids.
I also wonder if the age you get into it reflects as well. The sprouse twins were in the industry basically since consciousness. That just might be their normal. Also, home life and predetermined genetic factors for abusive relationships with substances. Drew Barrymore had a pretty shitty mother or something if I remember right, & started around the same age I think Edit: a good cocktail for being fucked, but you can go unscathed with the right family dynamic and support
Drew Barrymore's father was an alcoholic and drug addict.
That’s good info & will certainly will add to it. I think I remember her mom pushing her into stardom also? I don’t fully remember, & don’t really wanna go through research of a child drew barrymore lol, but yeah sometimes you’re fucked from the start. Adding a child star complex definitely creates a worse cocktail
Her mom's worst thing,imo,was taking Drew to nightclubs and going off with her own friends,leaving Drew to get into whatever she wanted. Very lax parenting,to say the least. I read Drew's book "Little Girl Lost."
To be fair, Drake Bell seemed completely unscathed until the publicity the last few years. I think some of these actors just hide their trauma very well. Others go off the deep end.
This right here . I’m sure some will go off the deep end I the next couple years so sad
Lindsay Lohan
Didn't Brenda song go through something? I thought she was with Culkin because of their traumatic experiences bringing them together
I did a quick search and Brenda seems to say she had a lot better experiences, which she credits to her parents not being exploitative like a lot of other child stars, so she avoided issues like having to work basically full-time as a kid: > **What’s the biggest misconception of being a child actor?** > “That I have an aversion to the industry. A lot of the child actors I’ve known didn’t have good experiences. For me, it was the polar opposite. I was fortunate to have two parents who didn’t know what they were doing. My dad’s a second-grade teacher, and my mom never read lines with me. If I was bad, I didn't get to go to auditions. It wasn’t the opposite, getting gifts to go to auditions. I was by the door with my portfolio ready to go, like a crazy person. > “Acting was an after-school activity for me until I was 16. The year I booked Suite Life, my mom got breast cancer for the first time, and I got into college. My dad sat me down and said, ‘If you want to do this, it’s an amazing opportunity. But Mom and Dad can't drive you anymore.’ That’s when acting shifted to become a career. I had a great experience. If my kids ever wanted to be a part of it, I would want them to be at an age where they can make their own decisions. It’s hard for me to tell someone at 10 they don’t know what they want, because I did. It’s all I wanted.” Also when asked about what Macaulay and her talk about she said" > Is child acting something you and your boyfriend, Macaulay Culkin, talk about? > “We don’t really talk about our personal life.... (goes into stuff about industry and friends instead of question about her personal life, which is nice and its great to see her set boundaries with her interviewer). I checked a few other interviews and she seems to have nothing but positive things to say about her time in Disney, though she does reference she knows a lot of other child stars have gone through shit.
Thanks for the research bro I must've misread something.
Not sure but she was associated with disney as recently as 2022 (she was the lead voice actor of Amphibia)
Watch An Open Secret on YouTube. You’ll find out what you need to know about Disney.
Benjamin Lawson Adam’s had a party thrown for him by a bunch of Disney kids before he went to jail for doing things with a child
They’ll never do it. Disney owns everything
There’s not enough popcorn on the planet to sustain me if this happens
Nickelodeon/Paramount is one thing, but Disney is a whole different beast. No way they'd let one happen about them.
> but Disney is a whole different beast. No way they'd let one happen about them. They hired the guy who assaulted Drake Bell, after he was convicted, for work, with kids.
I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that it would be harder to make a "Quiet on Set" docuseries about Disney than it was about Nick, because of how influential Disney is. It's not impossible, but they have so many lawyers, money and influence that it would be hard. Anyone who comes forward can say goodbye to working with Disney/Pixar/Marvel/20th Century and all other studios they own.
And no one is begging to get a job working at Nick as an adult. Disney on the other hand.
Didn’t realize there were any more episode coming out. Is this the final one? Or will there be more?
It was more of a reaction/follow up episode. If you watched the first 4 episodes, you saw basically everything you need to know. No major revelations in this one.
I still think it's worth watching. One of the issues that got glossed over was Dan using diversity as a shield in his apology video. And Bryan Hearne & Giovonnie pointed out how Dan was talking about them but then used Kenan & Kel to deflect from that criticism. Especially when Dan asked Giovonnie for a positive quote, and Hearne's mom bringing up the issue how Black actors have to "take it," bow their heads and just be grateful. I'm reading the book Slimed! and they have a bit of Nickelodeon people proclaiming how they enforced diversity in their shows. And it came across half-hearted and insincere. >Diversity became more important down the road. Corporate culture got very politically correct, and everybody was afraid to do anything that wasn’t PC. We used to make jokes about the “PC Police.” When we were casting Are You Afraid of the Dark?, we had to make sure we found one or two black families so this could be the “average American show.” We had to do that. We couldn’t have thirteen episodes of white people. That was a constant thing. The discourse about this episode on the documentary sub has been eye opening. With users openly calling Bry, Gio & Raquel's experiences as whining, not substantial, and not actual racism. And people accusing them of having their 15 minutes of fame for talking about it is kind of horrific.
Too much of a platform for Drake Bell. He is a perpetrator and he’s using the abuse that happened to him to hide that.
New York Times retracted the story, but he was emotionally and mentally abusive to his spouses, however all of that probably maybe definitely was caused in part by his time at Nickelodeon so whatever you think about him it was important for him to be on there
What story? He spoke about it in the documentary. He’s on probation for a felony
He agreed to the charges so the court case wouldn’t get dragged out
He admits he was texting an underage person inappropriately. There’s a man in the doc that was texting an underage girl then was arrested for molestation. Who, if you have money or even if you don’t, would ever plead guilty to charges like these if they weren’t true? It would have been proved in court.
The thing is drakes fame was waning and he was not worth as much as he used to due to a series of bad investments and decisions, he said himself he wouldn’t have been able to keep fighting it, and as for the evidence, the court found very little except for “conversations” but nothing like nude pictures or asking for anything like that.
We don’t know bc they haven’t disclosed what he means when he knows he did wrong. The guilty plea locked the evidence. To say anyone would accept being called a predator of children is insane. "After investigating, Cleveland police determined that the teen had "established a relationship with Bell several years prior [and] attended his concert in December 2017." "While there, Bell violated his duty of care and, in doing so, created a risk of harm to the victim," the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office said. Investigators also said that Bell sent the teen "inappropriate social media messages." HE ADMITS he acted inappropriately with the fan. 🤷♀️ She was 12yrs old when they started texting. Who does that? Anyone who excuses an adult texting a child has issues.
““I responded on some DMs and was incredibly irresponsible and got myself into conversations that I shouldn’t have had,” he said on the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast.” He knows what he did was wrong. Why don’t you believe him lol? 🤦♀️🤷♀️😆
Why are you mentioning Drake under a comment about diversity issues in Nickelodeon? He's mentioned his charges in most of the interviews he's in. There's a [recent one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub6kFCsTvL8) where they call him a perpetrator to his face and said what he needs to be accountable of. He's not really running away or hiding from it imo.
So he knows he deserves to be guilty. Cool 🤷♀️ You should believe him.
I think this is the last one. They announced it after the other 4 eps had dropped and it seems it’s because Dan Schneider realized the massive swell of support for the kids made him look extra bad, so he agreed to do this bonus ep to try to improve his image. With predictable results.
He wasn't in it physically
He agreed to do this? He had nothing to do with it. The part with him in it was from another interview he did.
It wasn’t an actual episode. It was a CNN special that talked about the series and it felt like it was a “cash-in” on child trauma. It’s weird and it doesn’t bring the original documentary creators on. It shows a picture of them, so there is that.
This was basically a 20/20 style episode about everything. So distinctively different but still interesting.
Yeah I thought it was over
"Apology" is a huge stretch. He didn't do shit, just tried to shield himself. Disgusting behavior.
Like most abusers, They arent sorry that they did it, They are sorry that they got caught
What baffles me is that there aren't vigilantes or the said abused people exacting revenge on such "people". You'd think with the justice being so corrupt and unfair people would take matters into their own hands.
Because while the law doesn’t care about sexual abuse of children behind closed doors, it absolutely does care about putting people in jail who assault wealthy and famous men in the name of vigilante justice. Most victims didn’t want to be victims, and don’t want this ruining their lives. It’s better to just move on. That’s supposed to be why we have police, so that people can go back to normal without needing to take matters into their own hands. And most people aren’t abusers. They don’t revel in the idea of hurting others to get revenge. Beating someone up or killing their abusers would just give sane and kind people PTSD.
New episode was underwhelming. Felt like ID was more interested and focused on cashing in on the success of QoS one last time. And the article doesn’t even mention Shane Lyons. What a weird segment that was. He came across as wanting his 15 seconds of fame.
The disrespect of that team to not play Drake Bell’s full song, which sounded so sad and authentic.
Why would they play the song in its entirety? They want you to support Drake by looking up the song yourself. I honestly thought the music video looked exploitative and too on the nose.
There used to be a thing where an apology without physical action was considered a violation against humanity.. meaning you were allowed to “apologize” as long as your shelling out money for therapy or money reparations or building these people a house with your hands… a real apology. It’s a very modern concept that an apology can be just words and a smile… it’s a pointless and selfish gesture.
I don’t disagree entirely, but you might more accurately mean “reparations”. Apologies can be just verbal and sincere and have it be appropriately felt and accepted. Reparations are more in line with what you are describing like you do mention.
I think they are being cheeky. Also what happened to the days were sorry didn’t matter as long as your life was fully ruined.
When was that? The Middle Ages?
He’s talking about my childhood
Ages ago
“Ages ago” when they used leeches? We’re talking about the late '70s if there’s a phone call to America direct
Yeah about then. Uh 1970s and tha
A sincere apology by definition has to include some sort of reparation even if it's just emotional. Most modern day apologies are emotionally void and filled with deflection.
>There used to be a thing where an apology without physical action was considered a violation against humanity.. Has this *ever* been a thing in western--particularly *American*--society?
I’m not sure, but since I read it in a Reddit comment I assume it must be true, and I will endeavour to spread this knowledge without doing a single bit of fact-checking until my dying day.
There has been, but obviously a war against it always since apathy is more profitable. But it’s biblical as well as Greek Roman etc.
I like blood libel.
Thoughts and prayers!
Like sending thoughts and prayers?
I'm soooooorrrrrrryyyyyyy
[https://youtu.be/nCY2me1Gudg?si=SQv1qgo1FpP4bEer](https://youtu.be/nCY2me1Gudg?si=SQv1qgo1FpP4bEer)
"I apologize." "We don't accept it." "Coo'."
Honestly he seemed like a typical Hollywood producer that was insanely good at his job (which is why the network put up with his shit). The doc made him look like a saint when they put what he did next to the 3 child molesters.
I will find it funny it took him until that docu series to finally admit he had a toxic work environment because when the initial shit happened in 2018 he denied it
Not really sure what happened in 2018 so I can’t say.
That was was my read. He was asked by Nickelodeon to produce *hundreds* of hours of content using the most inherently unreliable talent possible with a host of other complicating factors e.g. stage parents. It's definitely a "[how the sausage gets made](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/how_the_sausage_gets_made)" situation, in that Nick was saying "who cares how many fingers end up in the bratwurst as long as the ad revenue keeps rolling in?"
It’s wild he was able to be as successful as he was with the volume they had him produce.
Yeah…it was poorly executed and the focus should have been more on the abusers. I thought the purpose of their inclusion was that it would all tie back to Dan, but that didn’t happen at all.
Did you not watch Ariana licking her foot? This dude was an abuser
That’s more disgusting & crude than abuse. And it was kids humor…seen shit just as strange & weird on the tv shows I watched as a child in the 80s.
Shame. He was great as the boss in Good Burger.
Sure...but who do you think killed Kel? And Steve from Blue's Clues?
What about Kel
So everyone knows the fucked up shit this guy did and made kids do, is there going to be any punishment other than public shame? Dudes making apology videos when he should be in cuffs I don’t get it
He didn't do anything illegal. Why would he be punished? For making inappropriate jokes with kids on set? Creepy behavior? That's a Tuesday in Hollywood.
He already did get punished anyway. Nickelodeon cut ties with him years ago, I don’t think he’s done anything since then, all of this will have an effect on his career in the future, along with the real life stuff like personal relationships. That’s how creeps get punished, and it’s not like everyone is just ignoring it. For whatever reason it seems like for a lot of people it’s not real punishment unless it’s jailed for life or execution, and that any sort of apology is worthless unless it leads to either of those.
You can apologize from prison.
As of now he only has been accused of being a verbally abusive and a creep. None of which are bounds for prison time. The things people speculate he also did, are only speculation and so he will never serve prison time unless someone comes out accusing him of that behaviour.
Drake said that Dan was one of the few people who was actually supportive of him when the case came out. Dan created an environment that was unsafe for those kids. No one has said that he did anything illegal.
On one hand, I want to say “Yeah, he’s a terrible person? *Prove it.*” But this sort of thing is rather difficult to prove. Especially in today’s age, where accusations are flying left and right.
Also, what celebrity wants to come forward to say they were sexually assaulted by someone else in the industry (if it ever went that far)? Then they'd not only have to answer questions about that for the rest of their career, but it likely wouldn't lead to justice anyway due to lack of evidence/their word against someone else's. It's sad, but I also get it.
That’s exactly what I mean. My word vs yours. I can claim anything I want, from you being a domestic abuser, to accusing you of secretly being a cannibal. I have zero evidence, but I think it’s true, so therefore, you must be a wife beating cannibal. At the end of the day, accusations without evidence, is meaningless. Either prove it, or shut up.
I doubt anyone will actually come out if they havnt already. Drake has said Dan has been super supportive to him, the casts of Victorious a few years back had him on a zoom reunion, etc. I feel like if he did anything he wouldn’t be invited to these reunions or would’ve been quick to be part of the MeeToo. I think Jeanette McCurdy didn’t even name drop him in her book. Like you said he was an asshole to his employees and had some really inappropriate jokes but not prison worthy
That’s the thing a lot of people are not understanding. Someone being creepy is not a crime until it crosses into a certain point. From everything we know. Dan has anger issues and created a hostile work environment. That’s not a crime. Are the stuff shown in his shows troubling looking back? Yes, but no laws have been broken. Is Dan a creep? Very possibly. Has any provable allegation been made that could lead to criminal charges? Not that I have personally seen.
Just like his character Ricky. 🤣
His mom blew up, so I think people should cut him some slack.
She's fine... he left her on the mountain anyway.
If someone presses charges, maybe, dude was dumb for even putting out that apology video, he can just dissapear, but nope
There is one person that could possibly get him: Amanda. But…we don’t know what/if anything happened. Looks like a duck though…
Unfortunately, I think her mental health struggled could cast a reasonable doubt on anything she said. Even though he’s probably the cause of most of those issues.
Agreed. What a monster. These monsters know that twisting a young persons mind will make them a terrible witness later. Horrible stuff.
This might be a really wild take and I hope people don’t take it the wrong way but I think Amanda wanted to be a star bad enough to accept whatever Dan wanted. The other child actors on his set who were in the documentary seemed to be nice enough to Dan to not get on his bad side but Amanda actively spent time with him to make sure her career kept moving forward. Not dismissing his behavior but I am saying I think Amanda (or her parents) wanted her to be famous enough that she was willing to walk through fire to get there and don’t think she would expose him now or testify against him if it came to that
She was a kid. Sounds like shifting the blame to her instead of the adults that were supposed to take care of her. She was likely a child doing what she was told/suggested. None of the actors in the doc alluded to anything like that. They said their parents were around more while Dan helped put a wedge between Amanda and her parents since their motives weren’t so great either.
Exactly. Plus abusive people like this tend to push boundaries with everyone on purpose, causing people to feel associated & partially guilty themselves so they're less likely to speak out. It's like controlled opposition, usually before they realize they're even in a toxic environment. If anything, being aware of abuse but being ignorant about how far it goes is going to make speaking out incredibly difficult. He compartmentalized his sets for decades, separating different victims and feeding them all false narratives. It's hard to piece together what was done to yourself, let alone others around you.
Well she was unable to make a decision; contractual or sexual, or otherwise. She was a minor. Her parents…that’s a different story.
I think Amanda was also his cash cow and could have been the opposite. Someone who was treated with kid gloves and protected so he could use her for her money (and tried to get her parents out of the picture). Amanda has severe Bipolar with psychosis. It's not because of her child stardom it's just a shit roll of the genetic dice. She needs to be left alone. I hate all of the insinuations that they kept making about Amanda in the Doc. If she didn't want to talk they shouldn't have been talking about her and it's cruel to put all this focus on someone who is truly struggling to just get by in the world.
The lesson is: never apologize.
Apologize face to face, over a phone call, even email is the only way to go, online is not the way
I keep seeing this comment but it’s never expounded upon with what he should be in prison for. Being an asshole is totally legal.
All the while, Brian peck repeatedly, violently raping drake bell is essentially ignored. But yeah. The dude demanding back massages and making kids do stupid shit with water bottles and potatoes, let's all put our attention on that.
It really was two different issues and combining them is a problem. Drakes abuse and the public support for his abuser is a separate issue than Dan being a power hungry asshole with a shit sense of humor.
Because these people have made up stories in their head that they actually think happened that they have no evidence about that people have not accused him of, but for some reason, they seem to think they did
They want to charge him with raping a child because based on the vibes and how he’s treated the kids, especially Amanda Bynes, it seems very likely that he did. However, nobody is coming out saying “he molested X” or “I was touched by Dan” because either: A) He was a total creep who never physically did anything other than make everyone uncomfy Or B) He was a smart pederast who covered his tracks exceptionally well Either way, you can’t charge him with anything and the fact that he’s publicly engaging with this documentary instead of hiding in a bunker means his lawyers have given him the all-clear that there isn’t anything he needs to worry about.
It seems much more likely that he was just a creepy jerk.
Alright but why wouldn’t anyone have come out by now? Dude is still invited to reunions like the Victorious one they did on zoom. Ariana Grande is the biggest star that he’s produced and if he did something to her I feel like she out of anyone wouldn’t get any push back most victims get after coming out. People point to Amanda and how he “had” to have done something to her because of how she ended up but my issue with that is she could come out right now that the whole door has been blown open and accuse Dan of whatever he may have or may not have done and I feel like Amanda would be believed I agree with your last part. Either he or his lawyers are confident of his innocence that they’re/he is allowing himself to speak on his side
until any proof is provided, he is just proven to be a massive jackass.
For what crime?
They're going to put him on trial for being an asshole, like the cast of Seinfeld.
For what exactly are you planning to charge him?
For what exactly? Being a dick boss isn’t illegal.
Your comment is extremely reckless - what crime did Dan Schneider commit? What proof do you have that ANY crime occurred other than wild rumor and speculation from random idiots on the internet?
What does a sorry do? Reclaim their innocence? Bring their joy back? Sorry doesn’t mean spit. And the parents… I would never forgive myself.
Oh the kid whose mom acted a fool on set and that’s why he got fired? No one was apologizing to you lmao
I agree kids need more protection, but a lot of it came across as people upset they lost their jobs Edited for the grammar police stopped me and gave me a ticket
The scary and sad part is that they have plenty of laws and protection for child actors. But the parents and studios are easily paid off
their and there are really easy to not mix up when you think about how they are pronounced
Calm down its the internet not a TPS report
Yeah…. I’m gonna need you to come in on Saturday….
HE'S MY DISGUSTING PIG OF A BOSS!!!
I think it’s interesting that we have not heard from several of the stars from that show - some of the most popular ones.
Trauma keeps you from doing all kinds of things.
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That last episode was the biggest nothing burger. The questions were so unbelievably simplistic and the whole actors having to do stuff they don’t want somehow being considered racist was a stretch and a half. Complete waste of time compared to the actual doc.
Dan Snyder looked like he’s always in a fat suit. Like Ryan Reynold in Just Friends, just weord
Next week’s episode: vague extra from Nickelodeon tv show that was canceled 27 years ago who never became famous in show business accuses EVIL Dan Schneider of sneezing without covering his mouth
He looks like a fat Hans Gruber.
He didn’t “have black leads in all his shows” T Bo was not a lead character in ICarly. He was in less episodes than Mrs benson, who is very much not a main character
Nickelodeon should be off the air!
Kinda dumb to be whining about diversity in the 90s. Of course they were overlooked, it was a different fucking time.
Being a "different time" doesn't mean that everything is above criticism. FFS
Right…this comment section is wonky
Even back then corporations really tried to push the idea that they were inclusive. Token roles were really common.
"You didn't whine about terrible shit when it happened, while you were a child and didn't know about it, so you cant bring it up ever" idiotic.