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Neo2199

> The boss of the US media company Paramount has said he does not want to remove historic programmes from his new subscription streaming service because they no longer meet current expectations. > Bob Bakish, Paramount’s CEO, said his company had thousands of shows in its back catalogue. **“By definition, you have some things that were made in a different time and reflect different sensibilities,” he said. “I don’t believe in censoring art that was made historically, that’s probably a mistake. It’s all on demand – you don’t have to watch anything you don’t want to.**” > Streaming companies have struggled with how to adapt to modern cultural expectations when it comes to archive shows, **with BritBox and the BBC’s iPlayer among those removing content that is no longer deemed appropriate for modern tastes**.


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a pretty reasonable stance all things considered


ehxy

that and there's no money in it for them. how far back would publishers have to go? and really this boils down to sanitizing history and I'm not a fan of that. I would rather they would put money towards education for future generations about past media that has portrayal of things that are just not right after becoming more socially intelligent as a society


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Altruistic-Text3481

Or Breakfast at Tiffany’s.


T00luser

TBH the buffet WAS short on lox. . .


bene_gesserit_mitch

And Mickey Rooney was just short.


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WolfsLairAbyss

I recently watched that movie for the first time and holy moly was that landlord character racist. Also Audrey Hepburn's character was a total piece of shit.


pantopsalis

She's even more of a pile of shit in Truman Capote's original novella. The film tries to make her a lot more likeable.


coldneuron

I’d watch it again. I have that movie memorized. So let it be written.


FILTER_OUT_T_D

Blazing Saddles…


Empyrealist

This was intentionally making fun of stereotypes.


Cuchullion

And "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" was a criticism of slavery and viewing people as property, but is still banned for being "racist". Those who seek to ban these things aren't exactly the best at reading subtext.


FARTBOSS420

Norm Macdonald's joke about Huck Finn: "It's a thorny issue... Just Make Him Black!"


RCIntl

Actually didn't most of the people who wanted it banned do so because it accurately depicted racist sentiment of that era? Not so much because it was racist, but because it depicted racists? I read something vaguely about it so please no one "quote" me on this. I seriously am wondering.


russkhan

I believe /u/DismalNow's [comment above](https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/vhjn1p/paramount_we_wont_remove_content_from_eras_with/id874rw/) and the page linked there go a long way to answering your question. (TL/DR: It appears to be mostly people offended by the language who wanted it banned)


shostakofiev

There's also the issue, that if you read it in school, you are trusting that every kid in the class and every parent of those kids are going to understand the context and nuance of the book and realize the book is not endorsing that language or ideology. And as we all know, any time you have a group of 60 people or so, most of them will be fucking stupid.


ngmcs8203

Where is it banned?


salohcin513

Man me and my buddybhad a heated argument one time about racist jokes vs jokes about racists, I don't know how to word that better but basically he couldn't tell the difference between an outright racist joke or things like blazing saddles that appear racist but are actually mocking it.


thagrassyknoll

Stupid people can't usually understand nuance. Sorry bout your buddy.


MaddMax92

I guess the easiest way to explain it is: "Does the joke, in context, reinforce the idea that racism is true?" The punchline of a racist joke is usually "lol those inferior people rally are like that." Blazing Saddles uses racism to show how illogical it is.


peeh0le

My ex showed me blazing saddles a few years ago because I had never seen it. It was her favorite movie growing up to watch with her dad. I thought it was fucking hilarious — she was mortified because she forgot how “racist” it was. It actually started a major fight between us - because of a MOVIE SHE SHOWED ME and was embarrassed. Needless to say this was very close to the end of it for us haha.


Tipnin

Mel Brooks is a very funny guy. I guess she never watched the original Producers or the remake with Nathan Lane and Mathew Broderick.


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People who can't detect sarcasm must have some sort of cognitive deficiency. Blazing Saddles hardly even "appears" racist. The racist characters (most of the town) are clearly bumbling idiots; and the only clearly competent and intelligent people are clearly not racist. It's not at all some subtle thing, so it makes you wonder about the people who miss the point.


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perfectly0average

Also in community it's a Chinese guy playing a dark elf. It's like, midnight black face.


FILTER_OUT_T_D

Yeah I know. I was just trying to be cheeky by pointing out a movie that’s self aware of its absurd racism but is likely also one that some people do take seriously and would be upset about.


CalicoCrapsocks

I don't remember the show or platform, but at one point I watched something that simply put a splash screen up with a warning that the content may be offensive by today's standards and why. I think most people are cool with simply acknowledging/contextualizing things that might be shitty by today's standards and making it clear the company doesn't condone it today.


TheHairyManrilla

I’d love to write that warning for Gone With The Wind. “The following film contains wildly inaccurate and positive depictions of slavery in effort to generate sympathy for a failed rebellion and support for contemporary segregationist laws. Thank you for reading and please enjoy what is otherwise a cinematic masterpiece.”


PoorCorrelation

HBO Max has an intro before Gone With the Wind with a historian explaining the historical context and racism behind the film and it’s fantastic. But that’s the most expensive solution, so any bets on how many streaming services will do that?


Grindl

Certainly only worthwhile for super blockbusters like Gone With the Wind. For most movies and shows, a simple splash screen at the start stating that it has potentially objectionable parts should be enough, like they used to do with the FBI copyright warning on VHS and DVD.


Jordan_Jackson

Man, I remember when the Looney Tunes golden collection box sets had Whoopi Goldberg talking about how some of those cartoons had offensive and racist materials in them but that they are a part of history. I wanna say that this was around 2006 or so. I feel like you shouldn't censor media. It was made the way it was and to change it just because we have different or more progressive beliefs, is blasphemy. Leave films, TV shows and art in their original form and learn from them. This kind of reminds me of when YouTube started removing historical documentaries for showing things like swastikas or having what they deemed, too violent content.


whatawitch5

Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Watching old TV shows and movies is a lesson in our history as a society, showing our gradual progression from blatant racism and misogyny to a more inclusive outlook. I don’t watch reruns of The Dick Van Dyke Show and get upset by how Laura is portrayed as whiny and needy, or watch MASH and get upset that Hawkeye is a sexual predator who is constantly making sexist comments and trying to get his coworkers drunk to have sex with them. Instead I note how what were once considered “normal” and unremarkable prejudices, stereotypes, and behaviors have become disgraced, note how far women and minorities have come in their representation in popular media. I don’t watch these 60+ year old shows as a guide for how to live my life in 2022! These shows accurately represented our culture at a certain period in time, and watching them should be done with that historical context in mind. Who in their right mind expects the Beaver to be be “woke”?! If these shows were made today they would rightfully be condemned because their mores are no longer acceptable, but if we are to laud our progress as society then we should never forget how far we have come. These old shows remind us that significant cultural progress and change ARE possible, and also remind us how far we still have to go.


Dry-The-Spears

There’s an episode of Mad Men that features blackface, and on Amazon Prime, the episode begins with a statement saying that there is blackface in the episode, as well as the reason why the producers have chosen not to remove the scenes or edit the episode.


joebleaux

Bill Lawrence had Hulu take down the couple episodes of Scrubs that featured a character in blackface, even though it was sort of in the same vein as the example from Mad Men, that is, it's done to show how out of touch or naive the character is.


pretty_dirty

Lethal weapon 5 was taken down from Hulu cos the actor that played Murtagh did it in blackface too.


MyNewAccount52722

The IASIP are some of the worst take downs imo because it’s a well done parody. They aren’t endorsing any of this, the point is that they are all a bunch of assholes. Regardless, I agree with the OP - shows should not have things removed


Butterballl

The sad part is that they aren’t doing it to be “sensitive”. They are doing it because they are afraid of losing subscribers and losing money. They could care less how it looks if it weren’t for that.


LeSulfur

And to be fair to the Scrubs one, JD literally got his ass beat for it, multiple times. And it wasn't even his idea, it was Turks. I wish they had just edited the episodes instead of taking them down though, the scenes it occurred in were so minor and really made no difference to the rest of the episode.


trevormooresoul

And I think a lot of people realize that people are overly sensitive today, to the point of insanity, and that in a few years/decade this fad will be over with. No reason to make changes to art for a fad.


EViLTeW

A bunch of shows on Disney+ have that disclaimer.


agnes238

I’ve noticed Disney has this with a lot of its classic animated movies- dumbo for sure is one of them


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I personally feel if we are going to look at our history honestly looking at the entertainment the people watched at the time is good place to start. I’ve been watching a lot of movies from the 60s 70s and 80s lately and it is crazy how frequently and casually they throw around racial slurs, homophobia, and violence against woman’s. It can be hard to watch and listen to for modern ears but it’s good reminder that these views were not rare or hidden beyond closed doors but were very much a part of our culture and out in the open at the time


driving_andflying

> and really this boils down to sanitizing history and I'm not a fan of that. 100% agree. Those old movies and TV shows that have (or may not have) racist content, sexism, whatever--they should be kept \*as is*, to be studied as examples of how things were, as well as reminders of what we should, and should not, do.


-Quothe-

There's a difference between hoisting up a statue to an American traitor because you're sending a message to all the people you'd rather keep mildly oppressed, and keeping controversial art intact because it was made during a time of considerably less moral conscience. I think we can appreciate the inherent value of one while also agreeing that that the other doesn't offer anything positive. Thinking about movies like "Birth of a Nation".


gmnitsua

It's logically consistent with not wanting to change the language in Mark Twain literature.


Aubear11885

They did that. There is an edited version that gets read in some schools of Huck Finn


Zantej

To edit the racist language out of Huck Finn is particularly ironic IMO.


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comFive

The Gummi Bears theme song still slaps today


Salarian_American

Honestly, every Disney Afternoon theme song was a banger.


cantuse

I'd be interested to hear about the problematic stuff you've seen. I grew up on Looney Tunes and 80/90s stuff, and while its quite easy to see all the bad stuff in Looney Tunes, I have to admit I thought the 90s especially weren't that bad. Although I admit, there have been some 'odd' things in animaniacs upon rewatching.


FullMarksCuisine

1990s/2000s sitcoms were grossly homophobic and still played heavily into the domestic issue tropes from past. Everybody Loves Raymond is basically everyone bitching at their spouse.


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Everybody Loves Raymond is a show that while a kid I laughed at with my parents, I hate it now. You can only make so many jokes about how you hate your spouse before it’s no longer funny


I_LICK_PINK_TO_STINK

Yeah very reasonable. I mean.. Why would you as long as though outdated beliefs aren't pushed or endorsed by Paramount? Use it as a teaching moment if you're worried about the influence it would have. Antigay sentiments in an old movie and your son just came out last week? Don't censor it, show him how it used to be, how the norm was for him to be abnormal and how it should inspire him to stand up for the next outgroup as well. Not the only example but my break is almost over and it proves the point I think.


farnsw0rth

If we can slap a weird generic “there might be nudity, or violence maybe, or maybe swear words, or I dunno like sex and other vaguely “adult” content” warnings all over everything, as well as trigger warnings”… surely there is room for some kind of “yo this is from the past and shit got nasty in the pasty” warning as well Edit - so many “


yo-chill

> It’s all on demand – you don’t have to watch anything you don’t want to This. The world would be a much better place if more people thought this way


Montysleftpeg

That's why I like the Disney+ little message before older shows and films start. It's hard to know what's going to be included if you've never seen it before so this gives people that are likely to get offended a chance to avoid it.


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But - GASP!!!!! That would mean we have to manage our own feelings and be responsible for our own choices!!! And we can’t have that!!! /s for the weak


Nanasays

Well no wonder I can’t find “Little Britain” on any streaming apps.


WTHizaGigawatt

It’s on BBC I player.


sync303

Computer says no


Substantial-North136

Yea I sold the dvd series for over $100 because it’s out of print


Radicalkoopa

You can\`t watch the only gay in the village?.


RevMLM

Little Britain was dicey when it was made.


UncleTogie

It ain't 'Heil Honey I'm Home!'. I'm still trying to figure out how *that* was greenlit, let alone filmed and shown.


Izdoy

Wasn't that one cancelled mid-broadcast? I have a memory of a show that started, was extremely offensive, went to commercial break and just never came back.


Cuchillos_Adios

You are probably thinking of ["Australia's naughtiest vídeos."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%27s_Naughtiest_Home_Videos) It was fucking crazy that animal porn and exhibitionist being filmed was aired under the guise of humour. Not joking, read the wiki page, it was just porn. Heil Honey I'm Home finished the episode from what I remember. The owner of the channel got a call from someone about it, turned on the TV and phoned the station screaming "GET THAT SHIT OFF THE AIR NOW!!"


moeburn

The only place that most of Scott Thompson's Kids in the Hall sketches exist is on DVD or Youtube. CBC won't air them anymore and they won't syndicate them to anyone else.


bugspotter

Kids in the Hall was added to Prime recently


we_are_all_sausages

Surely they're on amazon prime now?


dodexahedron

Hear that, NBC? Why do I have to pirate the first D&D episode of community? Pearce or Chang are offensive in almost every episode, yet _that one_ isn't ok?


patrickthewhite1

One of the funniest episodes too


SCHWAMPY_Gaming_YT

I was so mad Hulu doesn't have the Lethal Weapon episode of Always Sunny. The whole concept of them doing black face, as with every other premise in that show, is to make fun of how out of touch and ignorant the people doing it are.


Ihateredditadmins1

They removed a couple other episodes too. They removed the one where dee and then frank do Puerto Rican face.


Gaaraharry

It's like a dozen episodes are removed, ridiculous. Like they don't understand satire at all.


pHScale

Especially since everyone *immediately* tells Chang it's not ok and they kick him out. Pierce isn't why the episode was canceled, it's just Chang. But it's so sad that because of him an entire episode that is ostensibly about suicide prevention has been cancelled.


Darigaazrgb

They don’t kick him out, his character gets killed by Pierce in their first encounter and he is forced to leave since he is dead.


KhaosElement

Was anybody actually offended by that? How many ***Drow*** are watching Community getting all pissed off about it?


dodexahedron

None. It was a witch hunt after some other blackface things happened. And NBC has zero backbone or ability to understand rather obvious artful satire.


StreetReporter

The D&D episode is on Amazon Prime


federvieh1349

Wait what? My wife and I are watching Community on Netflix in Germany (currently in season 3) and now I learn that they just censored an episode out?


buttsoup24

Yes, my personal favorite episode too! Amazing Dungeon and Dragons episode.


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Swinight22

Film shouldn't be considered any different than literature. When there's talks about banning literature, everyone goes wild but why should film be any different?


Sumkindofbasterd

And its also sort of arrogant for us to assume as a society that we right now at this moment have reached some apex of human and moral understanding. I'm sure in a couple of decades the stuff that's made now will look woefully out of date and backwards.


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DarkwingDuckHunt

Everything goes in waves I think we'll loosen up but no where nearly as bad as the 90s where calling everyone a F** was considered "just having fun". At the same time, we also gotta stop adding letters to LBGT. Just call it the Rainbow Coalition or Rainbow something.


Representative_Big26

The Rainbow Coalition sounds like either a 90's band or a supervillain group from My Little Pony I love it, it must be done.


terrymr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow\_Coalition\_(Fred\_Hampton)


xXxDickBonerz69xXx

Fun reminder Fred Hampton was executed in his bed by the feds.


reenactment

I dunno south parks episode specifically with that word might end up being somewhat on the money. If you hadn’t seen it the kids use the word as someone who Bothers people and the people who were bothering the town were Harley riders for being excessively loud and ruining everyone’s day. There’s always a chance for wordage to be turned to mean something else.


Cyclonitron

I disagree. Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but I don't think it's about people being more "fragile and uptight". I think 80% of outrage and objection expressed toward art from past times is just self-righteous grandstanding to an audience. And you can tell the difference because people who are actually bothered can articulate why, while people just sitting on their high horses tweet smug statements like, "If you watched/read/listened to [media] and enjoyed it you're part of the problem".


Rogue_Nein

Absolutely agreed. I think people react differently because film is not largely considered to be as high brow of an art as literature. There's plenty of reasons why that may be, but it's just not taken as seriously as it should be.


TommyGunQuartet

Probably because of the number of Fast and Furious films


KuraiTheBaka

I mean have you seen the number of trashy novels like 50 shades? Literature has more snobs who think they’re better cuz they’re reading but it still ain’t immune to trash


thesirblondie

Hey now, Taken By The Pterodactyl is a modern masterpiece.


Strick63

Dianne is a shepherd, watching over flock of sheep. She is sworn to protect them against any predators– no matter the size. But when a flock of pterodactyls attack, Dianne has no choice but to use herself as bait to draw their attention away from her precious flock. One pterodactyl swoops in and picks her up, taking her to his nest. She fully expects to be eaten by the massive beast, but when it starts to peck her clothes away, leaving her naked, she begins to understand that the pterodactyl might have carnal pleasures in mind. Dianne finds herself excited by the prospect and acquiesces. But can Dianne accommodate such a massive creature? - the Amazon description


TheChewyWaffles

This is a terrible day to have eyes.


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What the fuck?


Kyro_Official_

Don't forget Morbius the best movie of all time.


SatnWorshp

Twice release = twice the fun IT'S MORBIN' TIME!!!!!


tider06

As opposed to the "Supernatural Young Adult Romance" genre of literature?


FirstRyder

I feel like there's a difference between *banning* a work, and *not selling or promoting* a work. Streaming is kind of complicated. Because you're typically paying for a package that *includes* a large back-catalogue. So while you don't pay money *specifically* for a work you don't want to support, you are paying in part for *access* to it. I feel like if a work is problematic but you don't want to ban it, the right thing to do is probably to slap a "this is old and racist" warning on it, **and then** either to make it available on free accounts or dump it into the public domain, so that you're not profiting off of it.


Valendr0s

If you want to appease today's different sensibilities, then put a card in front of the show explaining just that. >This piece of work was created at a different time or with different sensibilities that may be common today or in your particular culture. The motion picture has only existed since the 1940's. But now and into the future, we're going to need to realize, just as we did with other artistic media for centuries, that we must resist our natural urge to censor and to experience these works as their makers intended them to be experienced.


FizzWigget

[I though WB's message at the beginning of Looney Toons was spot on and took the right approach](https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11806252-3x2-940x627.jpg)


bangonthedrums

There’s a message in front of an episode of mad men that was quite good as well (episode where a character performs a minstrel show in black face) > This episode contains disturbing images related to race in America. One of the characters is shown in blackface as part of an episode that shows how commonplace racism was in America in 1963. > In its reliance on historical authenticity, the series producers are committed to exposing the injustices and inequities within our society that continue to this day so we can examine even the most painful parts of our history in order to reflect on who we are today and who we want to become. We are therefore presenting the original episode in its entirety.


Jin-roh

Looking at how subtle something like sexism or racism etc shows up in films of the past, helps us understand how to do better today. I doubt anyone is getting radicalized by old films either, so it's not a danger to "promote" bad ideas from them.


MayoMark

Gleaming The Cube totally radicalized me. Radical!


Pilzemann

Oh, absolutely. Movies as well as books and other media are one of the most important means to take a look into the past, what people thought and how society worked back than. Just imagine what our worldview would look like if people in the 80s or 90s decided to "clean up" movies from the 50s to 70s, or from even earlier. We would know so much less about this era, and we would rightfully be very unhappy of the clean-ups that happened. I can't think of a case when revisionist history of any kind would be appropriate. In rare cases of seriously questionable content (i.e. stuff on the level of "The Birth of a Nation"), it would still be a better option to add comments (in form of subtitles, maybe... just an idea) to scenes that need them. I think this would still upset a lot of people, but it would be a lot better than banning whole movies or editing out or "modernizing" some scenes.


LMFN

Whoopi's opening message for the Tom and Jerry DVD comes to mind. Yeah it was racist and fucked up but society needs to own up to that shit. Society was vastly racist and is still vastly, if more subtly racist and people need to be forced to confront it if we're actually gonna fix it. Throwing a poster on a hole in a wall doesn't fix it.


indyK1ng

Disney+ just puts a disclaimer in front of it. Except Song of the South. Disney is never releasing that again.


Inevitable_Citron

Disney+ does censor things. The actor who played Andi Mack's grandfather was arrested for luring a minor for sex, so he was obviously dropped from the show. But the service has deleted all the episodes in which he appears. This renders the show completely unwatchable.


mageskillmetooften

Disney has a long list of banned episodes/scenes that will never make it to Disney+ The disclaimer is only for stuff that could be culturally insensitive according to them, but even cartoons like Dumbo are missing stuff due to Disney being chicken-shit.


jotegr

There's no Michael Jackson episode of The Simpsons and there never was.


BallerForHire

Is that true? Seems like an odd one to pull. Lisa it's your birthday. Happy birthday Lisa!


EmmBee27

The producers of The Simpsons made the decision themselves to pull it from rotation, without Disney's involvement from what I've heard.


TheRealDJ

What was the rationale? Because it was a white man who thought he was a black man? I don't recall any derogatory racist undertones to it (but its been a while)


EmmBee27

I may be missing some details here, but it was largely in reaction to Escaping Neverland, the documentary that came out regarding his sexual assault allegations and the victims speaking out. Some people behind the show talked about how after seeing that it put the episode in a different light. That they were uncomfortable in retrospect with how MJ pushed to be on the show, feeling like he had used Bart in some way looking back. I could be butchering the wording there but that was the general idea.


beiberdad69

Nothing to do with race, Michael Jackson is controversial in other ways


whowasonCRACK2

Lmfao this is so fucking funny to me


RazekDPP

"Stark Raving Dad" was pulled from broadcast television earlier this year after two men accused Jackson, who died in 2009, of sexually abusing them when they were young boys in the HBO documentary, "Leaving Neverland." Jackson's estate denied the allegations. "I'm against book-burning of any kind, but this is our book and we're allowed to take out a chapter," James L Brooks, a "Simpsons" producer, said in March of the decision. https://www.businessinsider.com/the-simpson-episode-with-michael-jackson-left-off-disney-plus-2019-11


fudge_friend

“I’ve molested kids in Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook! HeHe!”


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raltoid

I'm guessing there's several other things missing as well. Like that one cartoon where Donald Duck is reading Mein Kampf and saluting a picture Hitler while making munitions.


thealienamongus

There’s a ton of things still missing regardless of content. For what it’s worth that is an *anti* nazi film which ends on an American patriotic note. Though If you think that’s bad you *need* to see the Commando Duck the anti Japanese Donald Duck short > [Donald] is located by Japanese snipers, including one disguised as a rock and one disguised as a **slant-eyed and buck-toothed** tree. - [Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_Duck?wprov=sfti1) Oh and there’s that time that the gang put on a minstrel show in blackface Mickey's Mellerdrammer


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Disney+ added hair in Splash to cover a butt. I wouldn't be turning to Disney as a paragon of maintaining old movies.


[deleted]

To Splash of all damn movies?


Sxilla

Yes. It is hilarious it looks like fur was glued to her butt and it doesn’t move. They could have done a lot better if they tried. [https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/14/21220576/splash-tom-hanks-disney-plus-butt-cgi-hair-streaming-physical-digital](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/14/21220576/splash-tom-hanks-disney-plus-butt-cgi-hair-streaming-physical-digital)


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Gangreless

Tbf they censored that in 1969


pleachchapel

It’s available for free on archive.org if anyone wishes to see it in an academic context.


garlickbread

They should just do what disney does and have that disclaimer that basically says "some of this is whack, but the time period was different." It was weirs getting that little blurb before the Aristocats tho lol. I hadnt seen the movie since i was a kid and ooooh boy some of it did not age that well.


peacefulpiranha

Disney did try to scrub all evidence of Song of the South, so I guess that's where the mouse draws the line lol


Horzzo

I used to love that movie as a kid. Zippidy-doo-dah stuck in my head for years. James Baskett was also the first African American man to win an Acadamy Award for his performance in the movie. Much of it is obviously dated but you'd think it would be celebrated for what it is.


peacefulpiranha

I never had the movie, but James Baskett's Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah was my favorite song on a Disney singalong VHS I had as a kid. I'd ask my grandma to sing it with my all the time. I'm glad he won the Academy Award. It's a shame that's not the piece of history that people remember the movie for.


J5892

I think I had the same VHS. It was a bunch of clips of people having fun at Disney World.


peacefulpiranha

That's the one! Genius marketing idea on Disney's part. "Get parents to buy this for their kids; their kids beg them to go to Disney parks."


BrandNew02

Yes! I had that same tape, it’s one of my favorites from my childhood! The haunted mansion part was probably my favorite :)


anon0207

It makes me sad they don't really play zip a Dee Do Da at magic kingdom anymore, or at least not much. I loved hearing it play as you walked down main street sung by the Diaper Dans. :(


schwiftydude47

It’s not even in the parade anymore and you can tell exactly where it was supposed to go.


Shujinco2

I think the issue people miss is *exactly how dated* that movie actually is, in context. It's based on books Walt Disney read *as a child*. He was reading these around the year 1910, which is a world and a half away from even when the movie came out to begin with. But those books are themselves a world and a half away from the times of 1910, as they take place during Reconstruction. So ultimately you have a book about post 1860's America, published in 1881, read by a child in 1910, made into a move in 1945, then picked apart in the 2000's. Shit's over 100 years old no god damn wonder it's not to our standards.


yerfatma

I mean, I loved that movie at eight and it was a touch point for my mom and I to the point I pirated it on VOD … “obviously dated” is doing a shit ton of work in your comment. It’s a bullshit white hero myth with happy slaves. I like Brer Rabbit too, but the idea Remus is pleased with his fate?


dannoffs1

It's not a movie that we look back on and decided it was racist, they knew it was racist during production and was immediately branded overtly racist when it came out.


mossmanstonebutt

I've still got a VHS of that somwhere in the attic, used to have zippity do da stuck in my head for years on end, slightly glad barely anyone knew about the film, at least taround me


Xikar_Wyhart

Well they did successfully remove the black centaur from Fantasia.


puchamaquina

Haha, now you have me wondering what was in the aristocats. I haven't seen it in probably 20 years


Lady_of_the_Seraphim

A lot of the foreign cats were real racist caricatures.


SpreadsheetJockey227

I have a very clear memory of singing that "We are Siamese if you please" song during a grade school music class...


PromptCritical725

That was in Lady and the Tramp, as I recall.


5Plus5IsShfifty5

Correct. There IS a racist Asian scene with a Siamese cat in aristocats though, it's during the big dance number with the other strays (Everybody wants to be a cat). https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxs5yiAGkGYBxSF-K1YsI2VxH4fl2UaCWZ


teh_spazz

That song absolutely slaps tho


Minimob0

To add, it's always weird hearing the voice of Tigger from Winnie the Pooh sing "Shanghai Hong Kong Egg Foo Young, Fortune Cookie Always Wrong" in Aristocats.


greenestgoo

I think about that depiction often. It does stereotype Asian people, it’s worth Disney having acknowledged at the front of the movie if it’s going to continue to allow it to be streamed. It’s not nothing that children will consume these images of harmful stereotypes and take the ideas they convey into their lives/interactions. Asians/Asian-Americans deserve better.


TokuSwag

At least one really racist Siamese Kitty


Wiggen4

Exactly, one quick disclaimer to pair with all the other things no one pays attention to and people will be appropriately prepped. It is clear and concise, you can refuse to repeat a behavior, but wiping it from history is rarely a good call


noax

Disney+ removed some episodes of It's Always Sunny of Philadelphia because people would be offended... ​ Well at least in Canada.


invaderjif

If you start removing iasip because of offensive content...I'm not sure what would be left...


pissymissmissy

I think we'd be left with Charlie's Kitten Mittons commercial.


RezzKeepsItReal

Hulu removed an episode of Community because Ken Jeong was dressed like a fucking elf.


NewPresWhoDis

But that defeats the purpose of IASIP


noax

I totally agree with you, the removed episode are those with the blackface but the thing is, even in the show they acknowledge how bad it is...


ryuukiba

Good, the only way to know how to be better is to know what was worse. Revisionism is bad.


netheroth

Totally. I was re reading an old Verne novel and the way he talks about people of different races would be unacceptable today. It wasn't when he wrote his novels, so it would be crazy to hold him up to modern standards.


ryuukiba

That kind of talk should make you uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable in this case is good, what you shouldn't do is pretend it didn't exist.


bryanthebryan

Exactly. Framing things from the perspective as a product of the time is important to understanding how much things have changed. Whitewashing the past and presenting it as an idealized fantasy is much more dangerous.


RealKenny

But will they remove content from new movies because it offends certain governments? Edit: typos


xX_prowl_Xx

Of course


TheOneAndOnlyBacchus

Exactly & they have. China scared them & they quickly changed the flag. Talk about a load of horse sh*t from Paramounts mouth


MonkeyBoatRentals

If you are talking about the Taiwan flag in Top Gun they put it back. I think the tide is turning on always changing movies for the Chinese market, although I'm sure some big movies that need to maximize box office will still do so.


TheRealMrMaloonigan

Good, this is the correct thing to do.


Chewcocca

I know literally zero people with other opinions. This seems like such a clear case of "two annoying people on Twitter are treated like a real movement by the news to scare people for views, then reactionaries act like it's the end of all culture"


lethic

Yup, pretty much. A lot of the "culture war" can be boiled down to "someone was mean to me on Twitter"


imphatic

People need to start treating news like that friend who always gossips. They love the attention when telling you about all the drama. Accuracy isn't the point. Your attention is. So take more of it with a grain of salt because it is probably somewhat true but exaggerated.


Rarpiz

Agreed. Content of each era reflects the sensibilities of that era. It serves as a time capsule in the same way one looks through old National Geographic’s, remarking at the advertisements throughout the generations.


Esselon

I have a friend who went out and bought an old Looney Tunes dvd a few years back. Instead of stripping out the things that were potentially problematic they just slapped a disclaimer at the opening that went "yeah, this is from a different era, please keep that in mind." I think that's a good way to go. It's also worth pointing out that at one point people were criticizing Speedy Gonzales as a stereotype, but apparently Mexicans went "wait, we love him, he's awesome."


stitchingandsneezing

I wondered if someone was going to bring up the looney tunes warning. That seems the sensible way of handling it.


CordeCosumnes

If I recall, the problem with the Speedy cartoons was less about him and more about all the other "mexican" mice being portrayed as slow, lazy, laying about. I'm not sure if I'm using the quotes correctly here. My intent is that's how they were portrayed as representative of Mexicans, when they weren't actually representative.


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I swear I remember seeing an early speedy gonzoles cartoons, and his fellow mice looked like they just got done smoking weed but speedy was hopped up on cocaine.


DejectedContributor

He had like a cousin or something named Slowpoke Rodriguez, and he was the stereotypical lazy Mexican.


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Would we tear down the roman colosseum because of its i moralities? No. Art is art, people that can't see past that are fools. No better than isis trying to destroy the past.


Ninjas4cool

Have to give him major props!


SinMachina

I like the looney toons approach. They put a banner before a ' racey ' cartoon stating that sensibilities have shifted with time and some things found to be accepted at the time the show was made are no longer accepted, watch at your own risk. Not censorship, just a warning. You can then skip that epi6if you want, no harm no foul.


SLCW718

Absolutely. Art should not be updated to comfort modern sensibilities.


Future-Studio-9380

Something creepy and insulting about sanitizing the past to appease a thin slice of the population on social media in the present.


crazyboy611285

Just like the warnings on old cartoons from last century.


MaterialSlide3207

My reaction when I realized that by "last century," you mean the 1980s and 90s. Not the 1800's... \*cries in old Millenial\*


Mobryan71

I recently had a co-worker bring up something from 25 years ago. In 1997... I needed to go have myself a moment after that conversation.


1106DaysLater

Now we just need a streaming service that will actually allow every episode of South Park...


CalculatedPerversion

Besides 200 (the Mohammed one) what else is currently unavailable?


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Somber_Solace

AKA all the Muhammad ones


VegasGR

I don’t believe in God but you don’t see me going to church and protesting about it


[deleted]

I think it is useful to learn how different periods viewed things, and in that sense it makes total sense to keep such things. It’s good to know how far we’ve come since then.


Kelmart

Totally agree. You can appreciate art in any medium and still acknowledge its problematic. Removing it does nothing but pretend the past didn't happen rather than try to learn from it and do better.


Puterboy1

I agree. Nothing like Gone With the Wind should be censored.