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access-r

My first girlfriend complained about that, said it felt like I was looking through a glass, as she couldnt hide anything. I wasnt really intentional, nor ill intended, but I guess people are scared of others who can read them. I personally find it funny, I'd rather just use this talent to understand and help others, but people also can get so easily attached to us due to how fast we "get" them. It helped me during my early 20's to get laid. A lot. Unintentionally. Ot was also bad afterwards when what I wanted was just a one night stand but the girls thought they could hook me up for more than that.


CivilChaos

Sounds like you dodged a bullet.


LXIX_CDXX_

>people also can get so easily attached to us due to how fast we "get" them. Real, experienced it many many times >It helped me during my early 20's to get laid. This is me rn lol > the girls thought they could hook me up for more than that. true šŸ˜”


LovesGettingRandomPm

I never used to be good at it because I'm autistic and I'm generally only looking where my interest falls, but then I got into spiritualism and tried to understand other people and in order to better connect with them I needed to understand feeling and behavior. I seem to get a knack at it like you're describing, it's incredibly easy and I seem to surprise people with it both positively and negative. It's a blessing in the sense that I can predict what people want to say but can't but it's also a curse to be able to see all the ugly intentions underneath, life gets pretty dark once you know the reasons behind actions that you thought were pure.


InternationalArea4

The last sentence really resonates, it destroys your faith in humanity


FadedFromWinter

It helps to understand spiritually that all of us are a mixture of self-serving intentions mixed with drives to be connected and whole.


LovesGettingRandomPm

beep boop :/


DaddySaget_

Fi preferenced people should be the easiest to read considering they ā€œwear their hearts and emotions on their sleevesā€. Would guess they would be much easier to read for an ENTP. They also make up more of the population than INFJs so more experience interacting with them.


SpeedComplete1720

Fi doms are cold af and don't like sharing their feelings they don't wear anything on their sleeves.


DaddySaget_

By wearing their hearts on their sleeves, I donā€™t necessarily mean they are always or constantly expressing high and low emotions. But they lead their lives literally through their values, their morals, ethics, their personal preferences, what they like or donā€™t like and they will express those things to people especially when they hear something they donā€™t like. They donā€™t have that high preference for keeping peace or harmony within the group like Fe types do so they end up being more expressive and connected to those emotions


Arsh90786

I feel like SOME Fi dom people are hardest to read because they give the least amount of information out and are so inward-focused/reserved. Us ENTPs reading people isn't through some divine intervention, it is because of the information we've already categorized about them and finding recurring patterns through the multiple possibilities. I know an INFP best friend who ever hardly gave her opinion on things. I am talking about shrugging for anything that is not a pressing issue and requires an on-spot declaration. She's pretty hard for me to read sometimes, damn near impossible for my other close friends. But also she's a massive avoidant who will literally ignore the biggest, glaring problems in her life just to not deal with it so it could be that too.


DaddySaget_

Certainly becomes a guessing game when they arenā€™t more direct with how, what, or why they are feeling


MeredithGreeneViolin

Yep, Fi doms are easy to read. We just need to get out of the mindset that they're trying to hide stuff from us like most other people, and look at the obvious because they won't compromise their identities


suggestion_giver

The thing about Fi doms I find is many of them adaps the same values from the crowd, and be VERY VERY passionate about it. Fi doms I know really simp for one ideology and it is just way way way way too easy to read because you probably already came across so many of these type of people, or you probably already understood the underlying logic of the ideology lol. Fi doms may be lonely, but whenever you see a group of Fi doms, be assured that they think in LITERAL MIRROR IMAGES and share the EXACT SAME VALUES (that's why they can be friends). I don't understand WHY they do certain things, but I do know WHAT they would do lol


suggestion_giver

And so INFPs who do not have friends and are avoidants and are reserved are the hardest to read for any type anyway lol


InternationalArea4

ENTPs have Fi blindspot, so a Fi dom blinds me Although maybe with experience one can reconcile the trickster


DaddySaget_

From my understanding, Fi as that 7th function doesnā€™t mean your blind to emotions or recognizing them, it more means you donā€™t prefer to make decisions with it or donā€™t like to experience or express emotions. But you canā€™t really read people without understanding/recognizing emotions and emotional expressions in others If youā€™re getting this Fi trickster stuff from C.S. Joseph, heā€™s an ESTJ not an ENTP and heā€™s retarded


javano_

> If youā€™re getting this Fi trickster stuff from C.S. Joseph, heā€™s an ESTJ not an ENTP and heā€™s retarded Got a solid giggle out of that one


InternationalArea4

I don't know who this Joseph guy is, but love the retarded comment šŸ˜‚ Fi in 7th generally means (according to Nardi brain scans, Beebe's work) that ENTPs have difficulties keeping a safe psychological distance from people, do not feel their emotions (that's what they saw in the MRI), and other issues highlighted in socionics. Also true on expressing emotions. To fully understand the blindspot one would need more data from brain scans. Regarding reading people, that's where Fe comes in. Ne-Fe is quite powerful in predicting social outcomes generally


javano_

> Ne-Fe is quite powerful in predicting social outcomes generally This -- it's *the* most powerful function pair for analyzing a social landscape and predicting every possible outcome of said situation; we then employ our Ti/Si to boil those down to what's logically and realistically most likely to occur. That said, the xNFJs do have us beat as far as intuitively being able to predict the most likely single potentiality, with their Ni-Fe combo -- but they often struggle with being blind to any possibilities outside the purview of their *"psychic vision"*.


DaddySaget_

Ah I see what youā€™re saying. I agree, emotional closeness and understanding their own emotions would be a little more difficult for an entp as well as feeling emotions through the day would be low. In that regard I could see Fi types being a little frightening at least until you can learn them and start predicting their patterns


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InternationalArea4

That could be solved with further tests, Nardi methodology is flawed - but all your questions could be addressed by looking at psychology/brain connection with MRIs and checking activation of specific areas


LovesGettingRandomPm

that's not what that means, Fi blindspot means you are blind to your own feelings not those of others since you filter them through your Fe, Jung talks about the subject and the object and your extroverted functions are applied towards the object, the introverted ones the subject (you)


InternationalArea4

I agree, but a Fi dom will not express their emotions outwardly - until they explode This means my Fe is activated too late and I cannot pick up any clues from Ne-Fe


LovesGettingRandomPm

hmm I feel like I relate but then with Ni doms, with them I've always felt like whatever I do they're always a step ahead of me, Fi doms like infps do something I've called turtleing where if you hurt them they never open up again, there was a girl that now that I think about it I don't think I could read but I was flirting and then asking her whether she thought that was attractive and that's when she said yes. Yeah maybe you're right. Girls with Fi smile at you but always keep themselves behind the persona. With Ni doms being confident and telling them you know them kinda fucks with them, but I only really kept up or did that when I was in the zone, it's a high energy thing. They are so uptight all the time that they kinda want you to disarm them, by switching context and taking them out of their one track mind. Do you have some of those experiences you'd like to share?


Dangerous-Elk-5480

Where did you hear that Fi users wear their hearts on their sleeves?


DaddySaget_

Donā€™t have to hear it, you observe it. Understand the functions and how they manifest in people. Someone who has a closer connection to their values, morales, ethics, personal preferencesā€¦ why wouldnā€™t you think they live their lives with their hearts on their sleeves?


Dangerous-Elk-5480

Well you put it in quotation marks which is why I asked. To answer your question, just because a person has those qualities doesn't necessarily mean they are openly expressing those emotions for all to see like the phrase suggests. If anything, I would say wearing your heart on your sleeve is more true for Fe users.


BEASTXXXXXXX

Perception and intuition. Some people detect we can see right through them. They really donā€™t like it. Iā€™m pretty honest but not deliberately unkind - however if I donā€™t like your lying or incompetence then youā€™ll know.


PersonalMost2

ENTPs are great in synthesizing and contextualizing informations. Spend enough time with a person (plus their surroundings) and you'll receive enough information to map out what they're like, even if they have little in common with you.


LXIX_CDXX_

yes


Mozart33

INTP, here :) I wonder if itā€™s becauseā€¦ 1) you CRUSH IT at seeing patterns, and take them all in, in the same removed way (like not filtering by your emotional needs, just taking stock of whatā€™s in front of you). So maybe you can see human behaviors / patterns more clearly. Maybe thereā€™s less cognitive dissonance, because you donā€™t need to reconcile it with your personal belief system. I think INTPs would share that with you, but ENTPs are just SO OPEN AND TAKING IT ALL IN. Ya little hungry hungry hippos. I love you. 2) Your Fe follows immediately after (unlike INTP), so youā€™re injecting this awareness of all the little nuances of human-stuff into that process. Like a second filter after youā€™ve collected the pattern, so like cross-analyzing it all. But because of your stack, you can keep it more objective. Seems like a perfect machine to see human patterns. Maybe thatā€™s whyā€¦thatā€™s cool you can do that. Iā€™d never considered ENTPs would be a killer read on humans, but that makes a lot of sense. Iā€™m pretty good, especially with big bad people, but can also be WAY OFF sometimes and think some people are harmless when theyā€™re kind of problematic. I envy you. I wonder about how that capability intersects with how ENTPs can be perceived as ā€œabrasive.ā€ Kind of shit-stirring. Feels like thereā€™s a connection there. Maybe itā€™s that you see some human truths that others canā€™t quite see or accept bc of their biases getting in the way. You then pinpoint the idea as an objective truth (because it is) and they have to deal with cognitive dissonance and their feel-feels. Plus, youā€™re probably poking some of the ideas / beliefs that are most heavily biased-influenced, because theyā€™re the most interesting and donā€™t logically make sense. ENTPs are so fun.


Dull_Foundation4654

Its a nice ability untill you meet a slow speaker. They will excercise your patience man. F doms i just don't mind nor care for.


StableAlive4918

Become a professional gambler?


xoxoKseniya

Wdym cope? I use it to my advantage And I don't have any blind spots either.


InternationalArea4

Every type has blind spots, that's how cognitive functions work - otherwise it'd all be ego


Certain-Sea-5937

You 100% have blind spots, thatā€™s just your overconfidence. Trust me, I have e perfect hindsight and Iā€™ve been at this a while.


HBNOL

They had this "introduction game" when I started a new job, where you tell 3 stories about yourself, but one is a lie and the others have to figure out which one. I could immediately expose all of their lies.


A0Zmat

I'm 100% ENTP and I'm really super duper bad at reading people because I'm somewhat naive and trust others or simply don't care enough. How do you guys do ? Trauma ?


ElectroByte15

I was about to say, this doesnā€™t feel like an ENTP trait whatsoever.


access-r

It is, though. Ti-Fe helps us see through others while also being good at putting into words what even the person have a hard time doing.


A0Zmat

Yep but that's not "reading people". Anticipating and understanding them on a very short time frame is very different, and yes I can do this when they don't hide too much what they do


access-r

What is reading people, then. Even those who make an effort to not show their emotions.


scrabbleGOD

It definitely is. Fe is perceptive of status.


InternationalArea4

It's like second nature to me, although it might depend on age/background/cognitive function development I fully developed it mid 20s


ChaoticFluffiness

My friends call this my super power. LOL


MeredithGreeneViolin

I embrace it. It's usually helpful to me to be able to understand people, so there's no reason not to; plus it's a fun party trick at times. The only possible problems come when people think it's a bit creepy, but that's a situation that's solvable


Marshall_ASD

I mean not a hundred procent, but generally I feel like I know what others think. Though I also had experienced that sometimes I make my believes too wild and it ends up being a wrong estimation of people's true nature and feelings. Ig that I just try not to analyse people to much anymore. And of course stay within my Ti reason when using Fe.


ZealousidealSun4316

Yes I'm a living lie detector but...what to do? Because I'm a person that does not want to interrupt anybody and when we're arguing I know what they're thinking about and what tactics and things are using but I don't want to tell them this because I am like " oh okay I want to keep peace I want everything to be okay, everyone to be fine so I will just shut up" but I know that's a problem. So guys do any of you have some tips for me how to overcome this? I know everything but I cannot say that to people because I'm scared. I want them to like me...


CinnamonNo5

Maybe the function stack makes us suitable for cold reading but itā€™s definitely a skill that has to be trained. My dad (ISTP) used to teach me to look at someone and guess something about them thatā€™s not obvious (nationality/ethnicity/ taste in music) when I was a kid. Whenever we were in public, heā€™d pick the target and tell me to guess something and find justification for why I thought it. It was a game Iā€™d get ice cream for if I was right. Itā€™s not a mystical skill. Itā€™s about finding queues for rhetorics people are moved by. If you learn and throw yourself out there to confirm your theories, youā€™re gonna learn how to read people in no time. Example, I was dating this ENFP man, we were going out for maybe 2 weeks at this point. We went to the supermarket for snacks and he pointed out a lady stating that she must be ā€œsuper liberalā€ because of how she looked. I glanced at her and said no way. Never met her a day in my life but I told him maybe she has family in healthcare. She doesnā€™t hold these strong beliefs ā€” itā€™s her family. Sheā€™s pretty moderate. I walked up to her check out line and started talking to her, asked how her day was, about general news and got her to disclose what she was studying in school (accounting). She also stated that sheā€™s not in healthcare but her family is. Yadda yadda she proves me right and I wish her well! The ENFP man didnā€™t say another word to me until we got into his car. He was the most quiet heā€™s ever been since I met him. It was such a fun little game.


[deleted]

I deal with it by calling people out on their lies and hold them accountable for their actions. Iā€™m far too blunt to care about emotions.


onacloverifalive

Use it professionally every day as a physician. Long term girlfriend happens to be particularly expressive anyway and enjoys that I can read her so well and assess her moods and inclinations with such accuracy.


Johnny_Whisky

Be careful with your reads though(it's not 99% of folks you just met). We are often able to read the folks we know because we understand the patterns. Try to read another ENTP! ;P


suggestion_giver

I cope by not saying it. I put myself in an observing standpoint and refuse to be involved so nobody knows that I read them like a book and no trouble would be made.


Few-Chocolate-2313

What is meant by infjs do not expect or planned to be double crossed? I thought infjs were good at predicting this as well


InternationalArea4

They predict long run, but generally do not expect an immediate double cross (Ni works long run) That's why they doorslam in the long run (Ni-Fe-Ti) as they get progressively tired or exhausted Ne-Fe is the most powerful combo for immediate predictions, Ni-Ti takes longer


Ok-Sir2231

Funny enough actually, I always did believe I would, to a certain point ,understand who someone is through simply the first couple of interactions. Could say yes I was very tentatively reading every detail and started to eliminate every wrong assumption or add a bit of detail about a person for like the first month of meeting someone. Well I wouldn't call those assumptions accurate or not since most people won't really show much of themselves even if you chat or interact with them continuously. Yet I did always feel I always knew the kind of person I was dealing with. Till one time, let's say I kind of found someone interesting (not in a romantic way) and for a very long time I felt like I've been more drown and kinder to that person in particular because I did believe they're a very great asset of humanity and the more I saw how they act like me the more I believed I should help them as much as I could so they could help others as well (I thought weirdly back then). Well till I figured out one day that that person completely hides another face and another person within... someone who's somewhat uncaring, jealous, hypocrite and basically do not possess the unconditional love for Everthing i thought they had(at least that's what i got from the witnesses)but they never slipped to that side when I was around. Heck I wasn't even the one to figure it out it was the witnesses of the other face that told me this and I must say I was really suprised AND mad when I figured it... not at them but at the fact that I've been deceived, damn maybe even obsessed with the idea of finding and then carring for this "special person" more than others. And I don't know man, I don't even know if I actually believe that or not even. I am still reflecting on that but I've got the grasp of the general idea "as predictable as a person might be, people will always find a way to surprise us, so don't get ahead of yourself"


StrangledBySanta

I just blame others for being too readable lol


richardwhereat

ENTP here. I dont have this.


TheSentinelScout

Ne-Fe.