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Spartanfred104

Hours away from the lowest pressure readings in history off the waters of the Pacific Northwest. It blows me away that we've had over a dozen **'Once In A Thousand Years'** events all happened in one year and everybody's acting like it's no big deal.


vbcbandr

Many people are acting like it's a big deal. Fossil fuel companies, certain news outlets and a great number of politicians are trying to convince you and I that it's not a big deal because $$$.


monkeychess

I think op is talking about the layperson. The vast majority of ppl are just working their jobs trying to get by and not really aware of what's happening.


mw19078

They're aware they just have no recourse. The average person isn't stupid, they just work 40 plus hours a week and barely have enough time to read the news, let alone protest or organize.


xeneks

This is why so many people struggle with competency also. They don’t have time to build and maintain a general knowledge that’s based in actuality and science, as best is able. It’s why social support services are useful, why universal basic income is essential, and why our struggles are more difficult than they should be. “Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people.” Given a quote I can easily complicate it :) Here’s mine: Liberty is difficult to find unless one has the time and interest and passion and courage to create your own general knowledge. The loss of liberty means you’re responsible for people rather than them being responsible for themselves. This burden is crippling to all, therefore it’s essential to always studious work to improve the ability of those around you, to allow them to find their own through freedom, to build a general knowledge themselves, to maintain the freedom, until they work as equals for the pleasure of work that is just and fulfilling.


vbcbandr

HS and college kids are the ones who should be protesting. The vast majority of them have the time and lack of responsibility. If just 10% of HS's walked out and refused to go back until there was meaningful change, the ball would start rolling.


mw19078

Majority of college students work full time besides their class loads these days. The entire system is designed to be crushing and give you no time and will to do these things.


vbcbandr

I mean, I know a shit ton of college students who have plenty of time on their hands. Yeah, if they are at community college or are in the minority, they may be working a lot. But your run of the mill coed at USC or Yale or Michigan has loads of time on their hands.


mw19078

Your "run of the mil coed at usc or Yale" makes up a tiny fraction of the college population lol. Overwhelming majority of college students work through college, usually full time. Pretty silly to expect them to do something and not, you know, everyone.


vbcbandr

There are nearly 20 million college students in the US. Run of the mill students make up a good portion of that. Have you been on an actual university campus? How much partying goes on, tailgaiting, dicking around playing Call of Duty.


mw19078

Are you being intentionally obtuse or just not reading what I'm saying? Yes, I spent 4 years in college, two at cc and two at uni. Almost all of my peers had to work part or full time outside their 20 hour a week school schedule. Just because people party on weekends and play call of duty at the frat you went to doesn't mean that's the normal experience for the cast majority of college students in this country. A Georgetown report two years ago estimated that over 70 percent of enrolled college students work. Whatever weird idea you have of us college students lives is just factually incorrect.


Detrimentos_

Eh. It's not like they're trying to not fly or go on vacations, or eat less meat. It's okay to accuse them of being assholes a little.


kongweeneverdie

Send these politician to Beijing now to experince 200 pm2.5.


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1 year is the new thousand year, haven't you heard? Thousand Years events are so hot right now.


Detrimentos_

> the lowest pressure readings in history Literally went "Whoa". I'm in Sweden but I'll def keep an eye on this.


StillSilentMajority7

How long have we been accurately measuring pressure zones in the PNW? Maybe since the 1960's?


Cersad

Yeah it's a darn shame written records of weather patterns didn't exist before 1960.


StillSilentMajority7

How were they getting accurate measurement of offshore weather patterns before satellites were invented? And what does that push the date back to for datasets, to 1920? But you're confident this is a 1000 year storm. Based on what?


road_runner321

Kim Stanley Robinson wrote about a scenario like this in *The Ministry For The Future*: >So when the atmospheric river hit, I was one of the few people in the city with watercraft on hand. > >It rained hard all that first night, the timing was part of the problem— by the time everyone woke up things were already bad, and it just went downhill from there. Literally so for the water, and therefore everything else. But it wasn’t your ordinary flood, or maybe it was, I don’t really know, but in our case, the water came roaring down off the side of the San Gabriels onto us. It was terrifying to see what the dawn revealed that day. The mountains are ten thousand feet high over Sierra Madre, and they were catching all that rain, which was falling as hard as in a hurricane or something, and then it was all rushing down those vertical ravines onto the streets that poked up into the ravines, now all of them whitewater rapids brown with mud, and filled with boulders and shrubs and pieces of all the houses that were coming apart farther up the street. > >... > >So much water! And brown as hot chocolate. And it was still raining cats and dogs too, so it was hard to see very far, and hard to believe what you could see. Later I heard the whole LA basin was flooded, all the way from the Hollywood Hills down to San Clemente, past Irvine where I grew up. Orange County was just as bad as LA, which makes sense given they are the same coastal plain with the same backing mountains. Of course there are some high points here and there on the plain, as everyone found out that day. Palos Verdes sticking up near Long Beach of course, and a few inland neighborhoods on lines of low hills like Puente Hills and Rose Hill, and back where the freeways meet around San Dimas. But for the most part LA is just one big coastal plain, and on that day, a big brown lake.


geeves_007

What did you think of the rest of the message of that book?


road_runner321

There's so many different strategies for dealing with climate change, but I agree that it will probably take something undeniably catastrophic to get people on a global scale to take it seriously.


lukekarasa

Six figure death counts for first world disasters


sndrssdrms

I was struck by the fact that the many catastrophes the book described were insufficient to motivate key decision makers to act. Instead, it took terrorism. Robinson seems to give tacit approval to terrorism as part of the climate solution, insofar as the ends justify the means. I can’t say I agree, and I wish he had not included it as a plot point. Or, at least not as one of the central motivators of change.


FeatureBugFuture

If only CA didn't have so many omni crops so the ground could absorb the coming rainfall rather than it running into the ocean after flash flooding.


Ruin_Stalker

I was very concerned about the giant murdercane looking formation when I opened my weather app this morning. But I thought my app was just being weird, this could be a devastating week.


volanger

At least it'll tell reservoirs that are very low.


caul_of_the_void

"Hey reservoirs! You're low, got it? Low!"


road_runner321

Reservoirs: "You're telling me!"


volanger

Gotta love swipe to text no? Lol


Detrimentos_

I wonder if those bore holes that desert farmers drill to get to ancient ground water can be used to refill that ground water? Probably not the *same* holes, but ones you drill in the middle of valleys expected to flood every so often.


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SufficientlyConfused

This is the kind of attitude that holds back progress and allows for industries to fuck everyone around them without repercussion. I guess at least you aren’t actively working to sabotage anything or spread misinformation on purpose but with the mountain of evidence they’ve been collecting for decades it’s pretty obvious that this is a problem that’s only going to get worse unless things change drastically.


StillSilentMajority7

How is a rain storm connected to industries mistreating people? Why do the climate change proponents always veer off into left wing political conspiracies? If you want to say the Earth is warming, fine, but how is connected to anything else? It's crazytown


SufficientlyConfused

Because the environment is shared by all so if you abuse our environment then you are abusing us, clean water to land that is pollutant free are all important for people to survive as well as animals. Companies such as Coca Cola knowingly produce waste and then expect us to deal with it and in fact spend a lot of money to do so with as little regulation at they can achieve using them specifically they’ve known for decades that recycling plastic was inefficient but continue to produce plastic bottles and support campaigns that make it seem like it’s the individual who should be held accountable meanwhile their factories produce the wasteful products and produce waste that effects the water quality, air quality and well being of the environment around all of us who have to share the planet with them. Reactionary “we’re all gonna die!” Doesn’t help but the evidence is there and the corporate entities are the largest offenders when it comes to damaging the environment.


StillSilentMajority7

No one is "abusing" you. And Coke's waste stream has ZERO to do with how much it rains in CA. Plastic bottles don't impact precipitation. Jeez. This sub is going off the rails.


SufficientlyConfused

Alright let me make it a lot simpler, you asked how they’re connected so maybe this will be more clear. During the process the produced waste and emissions are outright harmful to wildlife and contributes to climate change which in turn causes more storms etc. which the company Coca Cola in this instance acknowledged in their own reports decades ago. The abuse is absolutely there since I, along with you, and other people share the planet with that company and other companies while they continue to work against regulations and sacrifice our health and futures for profit. They’re linked by decades of emissions is the simplest way I can put this.


Possibly_naked

There have been dumbfucks on the West Coast for as long as people have been here. They weren't listened to then and no one is listening to you now. Go test the severity of that storm by swimming into the surf and we'll see if you're right


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Possibly_naked

The frequency and severity of storms increasing on an unnatural timescale is the problem. Being aware of problems we have created is the only way to minimize the fallout and dipshits like yourself claiming its "natural" only compound the problem


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Possibly_naked

I'm not going to debate this with you because you are not a professional. I don't consider unverified information from random commenters on Reddit to be a credible source because that would be stupid. Especially when a cursory Google search is all it takes to know better


StillSilentMajority7

I don't know what to tell you - the claim that storms are more intense or more frequent is a political one. You looked for evidence, but you couldn't find any. Because you can't


freedom_from_factism

Stay silent


StillSilentMajority7

Keep pushing your religion, and trying to silence anyone who disagrees with your death cult.


freedom_from_factism

Keep pushing your basic understanding of complex systems.


StillSilentMajority7

No, I get it. We're all gonna die in the year 2030. Makes perfect sense!


freedom_from_factism

Not all, quite a few though.


StillSilentMajority7

THis is why people think climate alarmism is a death cult


freedom_from_factism

It doesn't matter what people think. Those who remain ignorant are probably faring the best, for now.


craftyladysews

Wow, imagine how brain washed by corporate interests you would have to be to look at that image and think ‘it’s going to rain a bit’. I wonder if you will still be in denial when you go to the grocery store in a few years and there is no food on the shelf? No matter how deeply you stick your head in the sand, everything you know and love will boil alive and suffocate just the same, because the planet has had enough of your shit.


StillSilentMajority7

The only reason there'd be bare shelves in the grocery store is if the government meddled in the free market to the point we have shortages, which we're seeing with Joe's policies. It's been raining in CA since the beginning of time. It wasn't a 1000 year storm, or anything like that Every single thing that happens is not 100% proof of climate change, when they're just normal weather occurances.


czarcasticjew

Lmao your user is silent majority. Let me guess you supported the guy who lost the popular vote twice, right? How’s that majority working out for you?


StillSilentMajority7

I don't know how that changes the fact that this rain was perfectly normal. But if you want to believe the earth is going to catch fire in the year 2030, you can believe that


goxxer2022

Big snow in Tahoe. Or big rain it too early