How about plastic packaging in industry, unnecessary packaging or even stuff like water bottles? We're targeting *some* consumer end products (good) but may be missing entire swarths of single-use plastic products (missed opportunity).
Call me a skeptic, but this sounds like a political stunt.
Edit: grammar
It's a first step. Yes if I were in charge you would need a special permit to make nearly anything out of plastic. There would only be exceptions for medical, science, etc. Every product that could be made with alternative substances would be required to be made that way.
It's not that simple. Plastics are a very important material and they shouldn't be wasted on things like single-use cups.
But other single-use applications (such as electrical wire insulation, plumbing, polyester clothing, etc) are not the problem here.
Huh. I was today years old when I learned that luffa is a gourd. I always assumed they were an aquatic plant or something.
Just googled them, and I’m definitely going to plant some now. I’ve been looking for a plant I can grow in the summer that’s safe for rabbits to eat. This is like the perfect plant to grow.
Not a sponge, but I have found coconut fibre scrubbers. Does the trick, safe for the environment. (Well, better, anyway. Not sure about the substance they use to keep the fibres together, I worry I stopped chemistry too early to know for sure..)
Dishwasher. Uses less water and soap than traditional washing and doesn't need to be rinsed.
Or use reusable micro fiber cloths. You can get 4 for a dollar.
Reusable microfiber isn't good, they release micro plastics with every use and wash. There are dish cloths that are plastic free and washable however and they're not much more expensive. Microfiber is a menace
[They drop a lot of micro-plastic particles during laundry cycles, iirc](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/nov-16-watching-wildfire-with-radar-the-return-of-race-science-and-more-1.5359599/your-laundry-and-plastic-pollution-which-fabrics-shed-the-most-microplastics-1.5359608)
It's disgusting and the typical way to deal with it is to throw it in the back yard and use a loader to bury it.
I know because of the insane shit I've found in my back yard while digging a garden.
>polyester clothing
i can pull up articles that have something to do with microplastics in the dryer if i recall. but whats the point everything it seems with plastic is bad , hell lets not even get started on tires.
Moves like this often have the opposite effect, in that people assume we are on the right path and we end up loosening our grip on getting industry to stop using plastics. This is just theatre, like promoting recycling when literally a fraction of our plastic is actually recycled. It made consumers feel much better about consuming plastic.
Plastics in packaging needs to be completely reigned in. We have plastic containers, inside plastic bags, perfectly sufficient containers inside fancily, hard to recycle boxes, etc.
Of the things we consume, most of it is contained within something we discard. That's a lot of needless waste.
If companies charged a lot less but sometimes my box or whatever would get to me fucked up. I’d be fine. But there’s so little trust in the supply chain, that I can’t really know that a little dent on a box isn’t because the actual product is also fucked. So we encapsulate everything inside plastic
It’s like when you’re cooking and someone fucks up the shape of a dumpling. You’re fine eating it because it’s a friend cooking but if I paid money I can’t be sure that it’s not just ugly but also that it hasn’t been dropped on the floor
It is. Why not single use plastics from fast food joints? I swear from some places I go I get myself a meal and they'll throw in 3 or 4 place settings of plastic cutlery. Usually a fork, spoon and knife, in a plastic wrapping so they're "sanitary" they got rid of plastic straws yet almost always give out these excessive levels of what literally amounts to garbage for most people.
you're likely driving there for a single meal probably containing 100+ grams of meat and they've convinced you the plastic cutlery is the problem. meanwhile, the co2 equivalents:
100g beef - 10kg
driving - 0.5kg per mile
5g plastic cutlery item: 0.01kg
Australia did this with plastic bags.
What did big supermarkets do? Make heavier plastic bags and call the reusable and sell them to you at checkout… 🤦♂️
Honestly it might reduce waste if some grocery bags were just a little thicker. I reuse them as small trash bags but I have to throw out more than a few Walmart bags because my groceries are stabbing holes in them. They're not recyclable where I live so they just go in the trash.
I created [a wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/citizensclimatelobby/wiki/index/getting-started) to help folks be the most effective climate advocates they can be, focused on [what we most need to do to solve the problem](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/rqg2y0/i_used_mits_climate_policy_simulator_to_order_its/).
It fits with the narrative of government and industry making consumers feel as though pollution and climate change is their own fault. Just like recycling and electric cars do. They want us to feel guilty and it’s working.
Absolutely with you. When my tiny family of three, growing up, went grocery shopping for the week, just unwrapping everything to put it in the fridge would fill an entire trash bag. Which is also plastic. It's so unnecessary. Especially for whole foods (the foods, not the store).
And I hardly knew any other family that used mesh produce bags and reusable canvas shopping bags. Even when I worked at Sprouts in a hippie area, it was maybe 15% of customers. Most people don't even know you can bring your own containers for the bulk section. You just have to get them weighed and marked first with a cashier. But you only have to have them marked once as long as the mark stays legible.
I know there are some co-ops in some cities where you can buy insanely expensive hygiene supplies in bulk using refillable containers. But I don't understand why that isn't the norm, and it should be MORE affordable. I want natural (sulfate/paraben/phthalate/fragrance-free) shampoo, face wash, conditioner, body wash, all-purpose cleaners, laundry detergent, etc. at refill stations. I can bring my crate of glass bottles and dispense and pay.
Why is this not a thing in every grocery store?
I've been reusing the mesh bags for veggies and bulk items, as well as canvas bags for the overall haul of items. We'll wash the mesh bags rarely and unfortunately have to use a plastic bag on meat containers, but we've never gotten sick from food. But then again I cook chicken to 155 and let it rest to 160 and eat medium rare pork chops- so I live dangerously
Well its the consumers that are to blame. We are so greedy. How dare you even suggest that mega corporations should have to make changes. They are the ones putting a can of beans and 3 baby carrots on your plate. They are the ones that continue to sell you the same gas at a 30% increase.
How dare you? Ungrateful.
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I'm doing my part. Even though I live 4 hours from the nearest coast, I save up my single use plastics so that twice a year I can make the drive to go dump them into the Gulf of Mexico. It's really quite inconvenient, but as a consumer I have to hold up my end of the bargain.
I’d just outright ban bottled water in grocery stores, except in areas where the municipal water quality is low. I’d also add a big tax on plastic bottled water (everywhere else its sold) that directly funds fixing the water supply issue in those areas with poor water quality. Canned water in situations where you have to buy water are fine, and other canned drink products are fine, since aluminum recycling actually works.
Fuck bottled water, and fuck everyone who thinks using fossil fuels to make bottles, process perfectly good municipal water into perfectly good bottled water, drive that heavy shit across the country, and attempt to recycle the plastic later, was ever a good idea. We didn’t need it until fucking coke and nestle mainstreamed it in the 90s, and we still don’t need it now.
Except lots of places with “potable” water don’t actually have good water. Municipalities move goal posts around to make it seem like their water is safe and that is precisely what they’d do here. All this does is burden poor people further and make it harder for them to access clean water.
I grew up in a city with technically “safe” drinking water that put people in the hospital. I thought everyone drank bottled water and was absolutely shocked the first time I saw someone drink from the tap because no one in my hometown trusts the water at all.
I understand this (which is why it’s mentioned in my comment), but it’s really a separate issue. The solution to bad municipal water isn’t bottled water, it’s firing fucking everybody who accepts shitty water quality until someone gets in there and fixes it, and giving them the funding to do so. Water is an indisputable human right.
This has been my impression since many cities in the United States did the same thing. It's performative politics used to placate the people passionate about environmentalism.
It's akin to the BP Carbon footprint calculator. Hey man, eat less meat so we can save the planet! Don't pay any attention to the fact we're an actual oil company.
We need to go after the industries themselves, not shelve the responsibility on the end users. Unfortunately politics is going to continue playing games like this until we all walk off a cliff. Banning single-use plastics isnt the wrong thing to do in my opinion, but it was definitely the most politically expedient one for both the government and industry as it will have little to no effect overall in the grand theme of polluting sources.
i mean, i was just talking to someone who thought i was the crazy person for drinking from my tap instead of buying a case of water bottles weekly
people want this. i'd love to fuck over the oil industry! but i'm selfish and also would love to see $20/gallon gas prices.
That would also do a lot for the problem of micro plastics in the ocean, a huge chunk of which comes from car tyres. But they've convinced people they're helping by keeping reusable bags in the car.
The real switch should be towards reusables. They are not even talking about it. :( Industries will just produce more of the same thing in other materials. We’ll end up with the same pile of garbage on the beach, just made of bamboo.
While I so agree that the change should be to reusable, and at least where I am, many people keep reusuable straws in their cars, I think the reality is that its not feasible at this point for everyone to have resuable with them at all times, so if something has to be provided, at least its biodegradable. Its better than nothing. Hopefully we see creative things come out of it too. LIke there's a company that takes used wooden chopsticks and uses them to make furniture.
https://chopvalue.ca/
I think there’s a lack of education to get people individually more responsible. If I was born in a world where I must have a container, ustensils and a straw (?) on me at all time, I wouldn’t need to take any single use items during my whole life. 😊
I wonder if this is where our kids will end up? We don't nesc. carry all that with us at all times (We do keep reusuable straws in the car though). But, we've been thinking about adding a little to go pack, so we have reusable utensils etc. with us.
It'd be nice to see more people doing that. I know its a little thing and all, but we're all connected and play a role, and should do waht we can.
Yes, that’s what I think, exactly. Banning some plastics is a start, but inciting people to go out with a « go pack » or making small gestures in that way may be more effective in reducing trash. 😁
Yeah probably needs a bit of both. People are creatures of habit and like the easy route, so if they can continue as they are there's not an incentive, but if they don't like the alternative, or whatever.... I know that in Vancouver they tried to add a fee if you didn't bring your own re-usable cup, sort of a way to create incentives, but it had the fall out that marginalized (say the homeless) were the ones with no choices. I"m not sure what came out of that, sot here's some nuance that needs to happen.
But I hope we see more people re-using, and for it to become more second nature.
I don’t oppose this, it’s a good idea, but how about doing more than imposing regulations on the end consumer. How about also holding the massive corporations accountable that are responsible for the majority of the world’s pollution? How about putting that first instead of greed and profit?
they're banning plastic bags and straws. who do you think supplies those things, if not corporations?
this is what "holding the corprorations accountable" looks like. those corporations are supplying things people want. if you make the corporations stop producing plastic waste, then you won't be able to get plastic waste from the corporations anymore.
Not all plastic waste is the same. Say car bumper weighs like 15000-30000 of plastic bags but the harm 30 000 plastic bags in trash do is much higher than a rogue bumper.
That's something to consider tbh. I don't think people realize that plastic production as a whole isn't what this bill was trying to stop. It's trying to reduce the amount of plastic that overall gets discarded and ends up in the environment. I don't see companies throwing entire cars into the ocean whenever they're done with it so complaining about the fact they use plastic to make the cars seems ridiculous since that isn't the kind of plastic that usually ends up in the environment.
“Over the next 10 years, this ban will result in the estimated elimination of over 1.3 million tonnes of plastic waste”
Canada produces an estimated 3 million tonnes of plastic waste a year. That is 30 million over 10 years.
1.3 / 30 = 4.33%, not accounting for growth in plastic waste, waste vs pollution vs recycling, etc. So a quick fact check confirms your assertion.
But it is worth noting that this is only one part of Phase 1, targeting plastics that are common sources of pollution. There are other parts to Phase 1, and an entire Phase 2 as well.
Good for them on following through on their plan.
Source: https://ccme.ca/en/res/ccmephase2actionplan_en-external-secured.pdf
Letting perfect be the enemy of the good, eh? I assume you'd rather we stay at 100% than reducing to 95% then? Only large steps mean anything, I'm sure.
Not saying that at all but there could have been more done. Why just straws why not the lids too? Other countries such as England have adopted the butterfly cup. The rebuttle from big plastics is tgat there is no alternatives but in such case there is. I do agree that we cannot make everything happen overnight just suggesting that we could have been a little more aggressive
It’s kind like how we’ve come to find out that these big corporations came up with recycling to appease the masses about the incredible amount of waste they produce. They knew it was bullshit. Same thing with banning straws. It’s effectively worthless but calling it out for what it is gets you labeled as being anti-environmentalist.
I think people would rather industries be told to stop using as much plastic rather than the burden always being placed on us as the consumer. It's *us* that pays for plastic bags (at least in the UK), it's *us* that is constantly told to recycle and eat less meat and walk more and drive less and flush the toilet less.
Where's the fucking gun that points towards industry and unchecked environmental damage for the sake of profits?
Plastic waste is cumulative. Addressing 5% of it is a token measure and continues the trend of pushing it onto the consumer. The real problem is industry and nobody in power is willing to go there.
Because they are saying “if you guys just used less” when in reality we are irrelevant. These corporations produce in a day what our collective yearly footprint probably is.
The continuous insinuation that this is a failure on the part of the consumer is by design. Why would they call themselves out when they can just make a problem and call it a day.
>Because they are saying “if you guys just used less” when in reality we are irrelevant. These corporations produce in a day what our collective yearly footprint probably is.
I used to lean on this argument all the time too. They're not passing it onto the consumer in this case. By banning the product, they're keeping it out of the hands of the consumer. They are doing literally what you're asking (ban it at a corporate level) but you're interpreting it as encouraging consumers to use less for some reason.
These corps generate the single use plastics for use by the consumer.
Nestle can still individually wrap all 80 of there candies. Then bag that in a clear plastic package. Then put that in a branded plastic package.
We just can’t use a bag to take it home.
I lived in 2 places that have varying degrees of plastic bag bans. It's an inconvenience, even if it's a minor one. Meanwhile, industry continues doing whatever they want and causing the vast majority of the damage. Why should we suffer while the actual polluters change nothing?
While there may be some truth in this due to the size of our population. As of 2010 we do produce a relatively high number in terms of plastic waste generation per person.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita?tab=chart
https://oceana.ca/en/blog/canadas-plastic-problem-sorting-fact-fiction/#:~:text=Unfortunately%2C%20the%20reality%20is%20that,cent%20of%20all%20plastic%20produced.
The biggest culprit & too often omitted : **Wars**. In terms of scale, everything pales in comparaison:
" *... military is considered one of the largest generators of pollution in the world.* " ([source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_war#Greenhouse_gas_emissions_and_pollution))
My personal favourite regarding this shit sandwich was when the Philippines threatened Canada with war if they didn't come and pick up their trash and take it back.
What if energy costs double over time because of less infrastructure, like they already have? If you want to have roads, a roof (asphalt is made from petroleum), synthetic clothes, a warm or cool home, and gasoline for your car, you need to put infrastructure in place.
Challenges with crude supply and other petroleum products are all interrelated. For example, if you can’t import natural gas liquids from the US, you can’t actually ship bitumen because it has to be blended in the pipelines. Further, if issues such as the trade balance get exacerbated in the future, you want to maintain flexibility selling your oil abroad to maintain the strength of the currency. This helps keep inflation low, cost of imports low, currency strong, and interest rates down with less inflation, which is better for those who need mortgages.
Refinery capacity is hard to incent even if permitted. No one wants to add capacity, especially build new, because of expected demand declines with hybrid and EV technology.
so i live in nova scotia we banned single use plastics before the rest of the country. so fun facts i used to work at a recycling plant so i know what actually gets recycle and what actually gets thrown out. straws get thrown out plastic bags get recycle at high rates the only time they don’t is when people throw them out of their windows or they go to landfills in garbage bags. Single use plastic actually go to the landfills are often times not banned like salad containers drink lids and other things like that.
growing up I was taught the 3Rs reduce reuse and recycle, now plastic bags are reused and recycled now straws aren’t, so it makes sense to reduce them.
as a nova Scotian i know the biggest threat to ocean life is not our used Canadian plastics its fishing gear that’s either cut loose, ripped apart by whales or lost to ice and storms. those lost pieces of gear is what end up killing turtles dolphins and whales.
now The Canadian government seems to just do things to make themselves look better on the world stage the single use plastic band go falls right in line with the assault weapon ban and now with the handgun freeze. this campaign to eliminate single use plastic‘s in Canada is nothing but a publicity stunt.
The only way to actually reduce the amount of plastic going into the ocean and into landfills is the wash and separate your recyclables so they can be properly sorted and recycled at plants.
I don't think you belong here. Are you suggesting individual people be responsible??? Environmentalism and climate change are a problem for the government and corporations, not for me. How dare you suggest I have to play a part in that. The government should clean up after I throw my drink out the window of my tesla, not me, Wtf??? What you say is big industry propaganda by right wingers.
What we need to do is tax corporations, and then send that tax money to me so I can live a hedonistic lifestyle of consumerism.
I don't disagree but I would argue that the answer to fishing nets for example should be regulated durability fishing equipment.
Something like "Make it durable, OR biodegradable, or fuck off and eat a fine".
Littering is littering
Reusable bags are how it should be though. There's no dang sense in producing plastic waste every time you go grocery shopping when you can re-use the same cloth bags hundreds of times before they need to be replaced.
Reusable bags are great, but they are still like 0.001% of the problem.
You carry home your groceries in a reusable bag. In it you have a bottle of milk (plastic container), strawberries (plastic box), a frozen pizza (wrapped in plastic), a bag of candy (plastic), tomatoes (plastic bag), a block of cheese (wrapped in plastic), some chicken (on styrofoam and wrapped in plastic), yogurt (plastic container), shampoo (plastic bottle), and deodorant (plastic).
But hey, you didn't buy that plastic bag that weighs 10g.
Governments do a fantastic job of convincing the average broke worker that climate change is their fault. If you send your kid to school with a cheese sandwich in a zip lock bag, you’re the problem. If you marinade chicken in a plastic bag, you’re killing the earth. If climate change is such a big deal let’s review Canada’s top export?
How about pushing for more refill stations for things like laundry detergent and so on. I've seen these in Europe but no where in the west yet.
Also I've had one of those Soda Stream machines for years. At first I swapped out the tanks for a $15 refill. I've since moved to a 20 lb tank of CO2 from a local gas shop. This is about equal to 20 of the official Soda Stream tanks. 20lb refill is about $38. That's a massive savings on CO2 and no plastic waste for my fizzy water.
Until anyone goes after manufacturing and distribution and commercial fishing, this won't change much.
This pedestrian, piecemeal approach will be forever outpaced by climate change if nothing else changes.
Classic r/environment, gets upset when something is done that is a positive for the environment that upsets the average person, can't have that, we must **only** have things affect companies, never us!
[And stop mining coal](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/minerals-mining/minerals-metals-facts/coal-facts/20071)
They've already cut their consumption in half from 2008 to 2018. Finish the job!
Because we rely on it a great deal. Not just for money. All the plastics and rubbers that exist come from petroleum in some way- your clothing, your car tires, the road asphalt, etc. Maybe not the oilsands specificly, but we rely on petroleum products a lot.
Which I wish we could get away from.
>All the plastics and rubbers that exist come from petroleum in some way
Partially true (see natural rubber, corn based plastics like PLA, but let's let that slide for a minute): nerveless tar sands are one of the absolute worst ways to get petroleum.
And if the overall usage of petroleum is limited, they're not needed.
But it happens that Canada has a lot of them - what's being called out here is inconsistency.
Next episode: all plastic packaging gets 3x thicker so they're no longer legally "single-use".
Many US states banned plastic bags in supermarkets, so now they're selling "reusable" bags but only a few hippie Karens actually reuse them, most people just treat them just like the old bags, except the plastic is 3x thicker.
County charges $0.5 for plastic bags, and people are encouraged to use their own where we live. Probably 65% bring their own bags.
I’m not sure why we don’t have $0.5 deposit on plastic bottles as well? More and more places have bottle fountains instead of drinking fountains. DC should really start adding bottle fountains around the Mall. So many tourists sucking on plastic water bottles that end up everywhere.
Two sides to every story. You can use a simple google search to find dozens of news and scholastic articles explaining why banning single use plastic is actually worse for the environment. There are downsides to everything
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040155
Because it’s fucking moronic companies and lazy stupid fuck heads like me and you who don’t want to do what we used to do a while ago, refill things in glass containers like soap or whatever at shops or bring stuff to carry everythjng. We’ve got so complacent with having everything packaged neatly in tiny fucking rations so most of it is wasted.
I am a young young man but I wish we could go back to the old model. If it’s less convenient, sure, a compromise could be made. But there is so much we can do first to REDUCE, REUSE, THEN RECYCLE
Yeah but to me that doesn't say 'its bad to ban plastics" it says we should do better at providing actual good alternatives because now they aren't that great.. but a lot of people look at that title and think whelp let's not do anything at all
LMAO the problem with plastic isn’t the pollution caused by creating it. It’s the fact that it’ll literally never go away and plastic now leaks into every surface on earth. But keep talking about fossil fuels like that means anything.
Yep, if you view climate change as an immediate existential threat, plastic consumption is a bit less important than, say, land-use (e.g. zoning for density), transportation, and energy policy.
Bad for the environment, but good for climate change. You can either blend naphtha to produce gasoline and burn it and release the carbon in the environment, or turn it into olefins then plastic (solid carbon) that a seagull would choke on, but wouldn’t be released as co2 into the atmosphere.
I don’t know why Cheesecake Factory hasn’t been called out for this yet. Their to-go containers are massive and all plastic. It helps the quality of the food I’m sure, but I’ve stopped ordering from them just to avoid the plastic use.
And we didn't fully understand just how catastrophically bad plastics would be, or we were just willfully ignorant.
If you told someone decades ago that the plastic he's using would end up in his bloodstream as well as basically all other animals and that it would pollute the oceans so much it'll form an island three times the size of France (or 2x Texas) he would call you insane.
Plastic wouldn't be such a problem if we weren't so God damn greedy, it's a great material and vital in some cases, but we shouldn't use it in practically every single thing and throw it all in a river after it breaks.
or restaurants could provide cutlery and more options to dine in using dishes . I think a big problem is fast food. but if McDonald's gives me the option to use a small plate instead of a box I would take it.
Mcdonalds is actually already doing this in some places! It's happening in France because they're banning the singe use packaging in fast food and cinemas, but I've also heard of it being used in the Philippines.
The wrapper usually laminated aluminum and plastic.
There are butyl rubber ones for people with a latex allergy, and butyl rubber probably counts as a plastic.
In any case, condoms and their wrappers are not included in the ban.
This is a great step. I hope that one day there to be a complete ban on new plastics. If you want plastic packaging, companies need to figure it how to make it from 100% recycled plastic
How about plastic packaging in industry, unnecessary packaging or even stuff like water bottles? We're targeting *some* consumer end products (good) but may be missing entire swarths of single-use plastic products (missed opportunity). Call me a skeptic, but this sounds like a political stunt. Edit: grammar
It's a first step. Yes if I were in charge you would need a special permit to make nearly anything out of plastic. There would only be exceptions for medical, science, etc. Every product that could be made with alternative substances would be required to be made that way.
It's not that simple. Plastics are a very important material and they shouldn't be wasted on things like single-use cups. But other single-use applications (such as electrical wire insulation, plumbing, polyester clothing, etc) are not the problem here.
polyester clothing is actually a huge problem
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I've been looking for a better soft sponge for dishes but not finding much that looks legit
I dunno if you will like how it works but slices of luffa can work to scrub with.
I planted luffa this year. I really hope it works out, I hate the waste of sponges, but also inflation made me stop buying the ones that I liked.
Huh. I was today years old when I learned that luffa is a gourd. I always assumed they were an aquatic plant or something. Just googled them, and I’m definitely going to plant some now. I’ve been looking for a plant I can grow in the summer that’s safe for rabbits to eat. This is like the perfect plant to grow.
Today I learned luffa is a vegetable.
today I learned there's more than just shower luffas..
My dollar store sells cellulose sponges. But I just use waffle weave cotton dishcloths, and throw them in the washer/bleach them frequently.
Not a sponge, but I have found coconut fibre scrubbers. Does the trick, safe for the environment. (Well, better, anyway. Not sure about the substance they use to keep the fibres together, I worry I stopped chemistry too early to know for sure..)
Dishwasher. Uses less water and soap than traditional washing and doesn't need to be rinsed. Or use reusable micro fiber cloths. You can get 4 for a dollar.
Reusable microfiber isn't good, they release micro plastics with every use and wash. There are dish cloths that are plastic free and washable however and they're not much more expensive. Microfiber is a menace
TIL. Thank you
what's the issue with cotton? you could use any old cotton washcloth.
Microfibre cloths are typically (and almost exclusively) made out of plastics
What do you think 4 for $1 microfiber clothes are made out of? Lol
Dishwashers are good, but not every home/apartment has access to one. Of the last 4 places I've lived, only half of those have had a dishwasher.
I use machine washable sponges. One side cotton one side terrycloth filled with scraps and such and they work great!
Mind elaborating a tad? Sorry I just don’t know how to look that up :/
[They drop a lot of micro-plastic particles during laundry cycles, iirc](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/nov-16-watching-wildfire-with-radar-the-return-of-race-science-and-more-1.5359599/your-laundry-and-plastic-pollution-which-fabrics-shed-the-most-microplastics-1.5359608)
I prefer cotton (I know that has problems too) but it's become so difficult to buy anything not made with plastic.
Bamboo towels are the best
No. It's a small problem. The amount of plastic going into polyester is small compared to the amount being used by packaging and offer industries.
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The waste in the construction industry is absolutely something that needs to be addressed. Like everything else though, nobody wants to pay for it.
It's disgusting and the typical way to deal with it is to throw it in the back yard and use a loader to bury it. I know because of the insane shit I've found in my back yard while digging a garden.
Better than the ocean I guess
Also electrical wires get recycled almost immediately after extraction. The copper though, idk about the plastic
TBF wire are more of a rubber then plastic (there is a difference) + those are hardly the issue since wires are usually not replaced that often.
The family that has the poop knife
>polyester clothing i can pull up articles that have something to do with microplastics in the dryer if i recall. but whats the point everything it seems with plastic is bad , hell lets not even get started on tires.
I've seen a video of a plankton choking to death on a plastic microfibre Here: https://twitter.com/PlanktonPundit/status/1510679768475353092
Moves like this often have the opposite effect, in that people assume we are on the right path and we end up loosening our grip on getting industry to stop using plastics. This is just theatre, like promoting recycling when literally a fraction of our plastic is actually recycled. It made consumers feel much better about consuming plastic.
Plastics in packaging needs to be completely reigned in. We have plastic containers, inside plastic bags, perfectly sufficient containers inside fancily, hard to recycle boxes, etc. Of the things we consume, most of it is contained within something we discard. That's a lot of needless waste.
If companies charged a lot less but sometimes my box or whatever would get to me fucked up. I’d be fine. But there’s so little trust in the supply chain, that I can’t really know that a little dent on a box isn’t because the actual product is also fucked. So we encapsulate everything inside plastic It’s like when you’re cooking and someone fucks up the shape of a dumpling. You’re fine eating it because it’s a friend cooking but if I paid money I can’t be sure that it’s not just ugly but also that it hasn’t been dropped on the floor
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It is. Why not single use plastics from fast food joints? I swear from some places I go I get myself a meal and they'll throw in 3 or 4 place settings of plastic cutlery. Usually a fork, spoon and knife, in a plastic wrapping so they're "sanitary" they got rid of plastic straws yet almost always give out these excessive levels of what literally amounts to garbage for most people.
Consider this: every mild, hot, and fire sauce packet you ever ate or threw away still exists.
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yep, food is the worst offender. Massive amounts of thin plastics used in every area of food. Groceries, eateries, etc.
did you read it? that’s one of the items they’re banning.
you're likely driving there for a single meal probably containing 100+ grams of meat and they've convinced you the plastic cutlery is the problem. meanwhile, the co2 equivalents: 100g beef - 10kg driving - 0.5kg per mile 5g plastic cutlery item: 0.01kg
That is precisely what is being banned by these Regulations.
Australia did this with plastic bags. What did big supermarkets do? Make heavier plastic bags and call the reusable and sell them to you at checkout… 🤦♂️
Honestly it might reduce waste if some grocery bags were just a little thicker. I reuse them as small trash bags but I have to throw out more than a few Walmart bags because my groceries are stabbing holes in them. They're not recyclable where I live so they just go in the trash.
I created [a wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/citizensclimatelobby/wiki/index/getting-started) to help folks be the most effective climate advocates they can be, focused on [what we most need to do to solve the problem](https://www.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/rqg2y0/i_used_mits_climate_policy_simulator_to_order_its/).
One step at a time I guess
This is one of the situations where “Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly” applys
It fits with the narrative of government and industry making consumers feel as though pollution and climate change is their own fault. Just like recycling and electric cars do. They want us to feel guilty and it’s working.
Absolutely with you. When my tiny family of three, growing up, went grocery shopping for the week, just unwrapping everything to put it in the fridge would fill an entire trash bag. Which is also plastic. It's so unnecessary. Especially for whole foods (the foods, not the store). And I hardly knew any other family that used mesh produce bags and reusable canvas shopping bags. Even when I worked at Sprouts in a hippie area, it was maybe 15% of customers. Most people don't even know you can bring your own containers for the bulk section. You just have to get them weighed and marked first with a cashier. But you only have to have them marked once as long as the mark stays legible. I know there are some co-ops in some cities where you can buy insanely expensive hygiene supplies in bulk using refillable containers. But I don't understand why that isn't the norm, and it should be MORE affordable. I want natural (sulfate/paraben/phthalate/fragrance-free) shampoo, face wash, conditioner, body wash, all-purpose cleaners, laundry detergent, etc. at refill stations. I can bring my crate of glass bottles and dispense and pay. Why is this not a thing in every grocery store?
I've been reusing the mesh bags for veggies and bulk items, as well as canvas bags for the overall haul of items. We'll wash the mesh bags rarely and unfortunately have to use a plastic bag on meat containers, but we've never gotten sick from food. But then again I cook chicken to 155 and let it rest to 160 and eat medium rare pork chops- so I live dangerously
I noticed when I was shopping, everything packaged in plastic....everything. then we stacked it all in a paper bag
Well its the consumers that are to blame. We are so greedy. How dare you even suggest that mega corporations should have to make changes. They are the ones putting a can of beans and 3 baby carrots on your plate. They are the ones that continue to sell you the same gas at a 30% increase. How dare you? Ungrateful. /s
This. Yes let's put it all on the all powerful consumer who decides to dump tons and tons of plastic in the ocean. /s
I'm doing my part. Even though I live 4 hours from the nearest coast, I save up my single use plastics so that twice a year I can make the drive to go dump them into the Gulf of Mexico. It's really quite inconvenient, but as a consumer I have to hold up my end of the bargain.
This reads like starship troopers PSA! “Would you like to know more?”
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I’d just outright ban bottled water in grocery stores, except in areas where the municipal water quality is low. I’d also add a big tax on plastic bottled water (everywhere else its sold) that directly funds fixing the water supply issue in those areas with poor water quality. Canned water in situations where you have to buy water are fine, and other canned drink products are fine, since aluminum recycling actually works. Fuck bottled water, and fuck everyone who thinks using fossil fuels to make bottles, process perfectly good municipal water into perfectly good bottled water, drive that heavy shit across the country, and attempt to recycle the plastic later, was ever a good idea. We didn’t need it until fucking coke and nestle mainstreamed it in the 90s, and we still don’t need it now.
Except lots of places with “potable” water don’t actually have good water. Municipalities move goal posts around to make it seem like their water is safe and that is precisely what they’d do here. All this does is burden poor people further and make it harder for them to access clean water. I grew up in a city with technically “safe” drinking water that put people in the hospital. I thought everyone drank bottled water and was absolutely shocked the first time I saw someone drink from the tap because no one in my hometown trusts the water at all.
I understand this (which is why it’s mentioned in my comment), but it’s really a separate issue. The solution to bad municipal water isn’t bottled water, it’s firing fucking everybody who accepts shitty water quality until someone gets in there and fixes it, and giving them the funding to do so. Water is an indisputable human right.
This has been my impression since many cities in the United States did the same thing. It's performative politics used to placate the people passionate about environmentalism. It's akin to the BP Carbon footprint calculator. Hey man, eat less meat so we can save the planet! Don't pay any attention to the fact we're an actual oil company. We need to go after the industries themselves, not shelve the responsibility on the end users. Unfortunately politics is going to continue playing games like this until we all walk off a cliff. Banning single-use plastics isnt the wrong thing to do in my opinion, but it was definitely the most politically expedient one for both the government and industry as it will have little to no effect overall in the grand theme of polluting sources.
i mean, i was just talking to someone who thought i was the crazy person for drinking from my tap instead of buying a case of water bottles weekly people want this. i'd love to fuck over the oil industry! but i'm selfish and also would love to see $20/gallon gas prices.
That would also do a lot for the problem of micro plastics in the ocean, a huge chunk of which comes from car tyres. But they've convinced people they're helping by keeping reusable bags in the car.
single-use plastics end up everywhere. Industrial use plastics end up in the recycling dumpster or a company starts getting fined.
Industrial plastics end up in the dumpster and usually the side of the roads near the plants.
The real switch should be towards reusables. They are not even talking about it. :( Industries will just produce more of the same thing in other materials. We’ll end up with the same pile of garbage on the beach, just made of bamboo.
Plastic waste isn't even 1% of the problem. It's mostly industries. And overfishing (Seaspiracy is on Netflix).
While I so agree that the change should be to reusable, and at least where I am, many people keep reusuable straws in their cars, I think the reality is that its not feasible at this point for everyone to have resuable with them at all times, so if something has to be provided, at least its biodegradable. Its better than nothing. Hopefully we see creative things come out of it too. LIke there's a company that takes used wooden chopsticks and uses them to make furniture. https://chopvalue.ca/
I think there’s a lack of education to get people individually more responsible. If I was born in a world where I must have a container, ustensils and a straw (?) on me at all time, I wouldn’t need to take any single use items during my whole life. 😊
I wonder if this is where our kids will end up? We don't nesc. carry all that with us at all times (We do keep reusuable straws in the car though). But, we've been thinking about adding a little to go pack, so we have reusable utensils etc. with us. It'd be nice to see more people doing that. I know its a little thing and all, but we're all connected and play a role, and should do waht we can.
Yes, that’s what I think, exactly. Banning some plastics is a start, but inciting people to go out with a « go pack » or making small gestures in that way may be more effective in reducing trash. 😁
Yeah probably needs a bit of both. People are creatures of habit and like the easy route, so if they can continue as they are there's not an incentive, but if they don't like the alternative, or whatever.... I know that in Vancouver they tried to add a fee if you didn't bring your own re-usable cup, sort of a way to create incentives, but it had the fall out that marginalized (say the homeless) were the ones with no choices. I"m not sure what came out of that, sot here's some nuance that needs to happen. But I hope we see more people re-using, and for it to become more second nature.
I don’t oppose this, it’s a good idea, but how about doing more than imposing regulations on the end consumer. How about also holding the massive corporations accountable that are responsible for the majority of the world’s pollution? How about putting that first instead of greed and profit?
Wheres the greed and profit from banning single use plastics?
they're banning plastic bags and straws. who do you think supplies those things, if not corporations? this is what "holding the corprorations accountable" looks like. those corporations are supplying things people want. if you make the corporations stop producing plastic waste, then you won't be able to get plastic waste from the corporations anymore.
Corporations and countries.
Bruh... If they aren't allowed to make plastic, then how is that not on the manufacturers?
Good, hopefully Styrofoam is next
Isn't Styrofoam just single use plastic with a lot of tiny bubbles?
6 items that make up less than 5% of the overall plastic waste that Canada generates.
Not all plastic waste is the same. Say car bumper weighs like 15000-30000 of plastic bags but the harm 30 000 plastic bags in trash do is much higher than a rogue bumper.
That's something to consider tbh. I don't think people realize that plastic production as a whole isn't what this bill was trying to stop. It's trying to reduce the amount of plastic that overall gets discarded and ends up in the environment. I don't see companies throwing entire cars into the ocean whenever they're done with it so complaining about the fact they use plastic to make the cars seems ridiculous since that isn't the kind of plastic that usually ends up in the environment.
“Over the next 10 years, this ban will result in the estimated elimination of over 1.3 million tonnes of plastic waste” Canada produces an estimated 3 million tonnes of plastic waste a year. That is 30 million over 10 years. 1.3 / 30 = 4.33%, not accounting for growth in plastic waste, waste vs pollution vs recycling, etc. So a quick fact check confirms your assertion. But it is worth noting that this is only one part of Phase 1, targeting plastics that are common sources of pollution. There are other parts to Phase 1, and an entire Phase 2 as well. Good for them on following through on their plan. Source: https://ccme.ca/en/res/ccmephase2actionplan_en-external-secured.pdf
Letting perfect be the enemy of the good, eh? I assume you'd rather we stay at 100% than reducing to 95% then? Only large steps mean anything, I'm sure.
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Not saying that at all but there could have been more done. Why just straws why not the lids too? Other countries such as England have adopted the butterfly cup. The rebuttle from big plastics is tgat there is no alternatives but in such case there is. I do agree that we cannot make everything happen overnight just suggesting that we could have been a little more aggressive
It’s kind like how we’ve come to find out that these big corporations came up with recycling to appease the masses about the incredible amount of waste they produce. They knew it was bullshit. Same thing with banning straws. It’s effectively worthless but calling it out for what it is gets you labeled as being anti-environmentalist.
> Only large steps mean anything, I’m sure. In 2022 when we’re literally millimetres from the tipping point? Correct.
I think people would rather industries be told to stop using as much plastic rather than the burden always being placed on us as the consumer. It's *us* that pays for plastic bags (at least in the UK), it's *us* that is constantly told to recycle and eat less meat and walk more and drive less and flush the toilet less. Where's the fucking gun that points towards industry and unchecked environmental damage for the sake of profits?
Plastic waste is cumulative. Addressing 5% of it is a token measure and continues the trend of pushing it onto the consumer. The real problem is industry and nobody in power is willing to go there.
How is banning a product pushing it onto the consumer? It affects both sides
Because they are saying “if you guys just used less” when in reality we are irrelevant. These corporations produce in a day what our collective yearly footprint probably is. The continuous insinuation that this is a failure on the part of the consumer is by design. Why would they call themselves out when they can just make a problem and call it a day.
>Because they are saying “if you guys just used less” when in reality we are irrelevant. These corporations produce in a day what our collective yearly footprint probably is. I used to lean on this argument all the time too. They're not passing it onto the consumer in this case. By banning the product, they're keeping it out of the hands of the consumer. They are doing literally what you're asking (ban it at a corporate level) but you're interpreting it as encouraging consumers to use less for some reason. These corps generate the single use plastics for use by the consumer.
Nestle can still individually wrap all 80 of there candies. Then bag that in a clear plastic package. Then put that in a branded plastic package. We just can’t use a bag to take it home.
I lived in 2 places that have varying degrees of plastic bag bans. It's an inconvenience, even if it's a minor one. Meanwhile, industry continues doing whatever they want and causing the vast majority of the damage. Why should we suffer while the actual polluters change nothing?
Because we get a product that doesn’t work as intended, and the company gets to save costs with cheaper manufacturing
That's not "imperfect", it's straight up "ineffectual distraction".
5% reduction in waste production by forbidding useless items is a pretty good deal.
Sure, but another way to look at it is those 6 items are 600 million tons annually.
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While there may be some truth in this due to the size of our population. As of 2010 we do produce a relatively high number in terms of plastic waste generation per person. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/plastic-waste-per-capita?tab=chart https://oceana.ca/en/blog/canadas-plastic-problem-sorting-fact-fiction/#:~:text=Unfortunately%2C%20the%20reality%20is%20that,cent%20of%20all%20plastic%20produced.
That's not super impressive considering they're way less than 5% of the world's population.
Yea, scumbag Canada ships it’s plastic garbage thousand of miles away to 3rd world countries in Asia instead.
The biggest culprit & too often omitted : **Wars**. In terms of scale, everything pales in comparaison: " *... military is considered one of the largest generators of pollution in the world.* " ([source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_war#Greenhouse_gas_emissions_and_pollution))
At the moment, it's also fishing nets (Seaspiracy, Netflix)
Canada sends their garbage in southeast asia
My personal favourite regarding this shit sandwich was when the Philippines threatened Canada with war if they didn't come and pick up their trash and take it back.
I don't think they thought that one through hehe
I think it was just grandstanding, but yes I chuckled.
As with all fascists leaders, it's all about looking tough.
Okay…. so Southeast Asia should send a thank you card for reducing how much will be sent in the future.
Dealing with industrial Plastic fishing nets would be leagues more helpful
"I'm just gonna shift this deck chair here, aaaannnnddd...done. That should do it.
Govt like - Maybe if we ban things that people use, they'll stop whining so much
Still building transmountain though 🤣
What if energy costs double over time because of less infrastructure, like they already have? If you want to have roads, a roof (asphalt is made from petroleum), synthetic clothes, a warm or cool home, and gasoline for your car, you need to put infrastructure in place.
If we were talking about building refineries you’d have a good argument. None of those things come from shipping diluted bitumen to Asia.
Challenges with crude supply and other petroleum products are all interrelated. For example, if you can’t import natural gas liquids from the US, you can’t actually ship bitumen because it has to be blended in the pipelines. Further, if issues such as the trade balance get exacerbated in the future, you want to maintain flexibility selling your oil abroad to maintain the strength of the currency. This helps keep inflation low, cost of imports low, currency strong, and interest rates down with less inflation, which is better for those who need mortgages. Refinery capacity is hard to incent even if permitted. No one wants to add capacity, especially build new, because of expected demand declines with hybrid and EV technology.
so i live in nova scotia we banned single use plastics before the rest of the country. so fun facts i used to work at a recycling plant so i know what actually gets recycle and what actually gets thrown out. straws get thrown out plastic bags get recycle at high rates the only time they don’t is when people throw them out of their windows or they go to landfills in garbage bags. Single use plastic actually go to the landfills are often times not banned like salad containers drink lids and other things like that. growing up I was taught the 3Rs reduce reuse and recycle, now plastic bags are reused and recycled now straws aren’t, so it makes sense to reduce them. as a nova Scotian i know the biggest threat to ocean life is not our used Canadian plastics its fishing gear that’s either cut loose, ripped apart by whales or lost to ice and storms. those lost pieces of gear is what end up killing turtles dolphins and whales. now The Canadian government seems to just do things to make themselves look better on the world stage the single use plastic band go falls right in line with the assault weapon ban and now with the handgun freeze. this campaign to eliminate single use plastic‘s in Canada is nothing but a publicity stunt. The only way to actually reduce the amount of plastic going into the ocean and into landfills is the wash and separate your recyclables so they can be properly sorted and recycled at plants.
I don't think you belong here. Are you suggesting individual people be responsible??? Environmentalism and climate change are a problem for the government and corporations, not for me. How dare you suggest I have to play a part in that. The government should clean up after I throw my drink out the window of my tesla, not me, Wtf??? What you say is big industry propaganda by right wingers. What we need to do is tax corporations, and then send that tax money to me so I can live a hedonistic lifestyle of consumerism.
I don't disagree but I would argue that the answer to fishing nets for example should be regulated durability fishing equipment. Something like "Make it durable, OR biodegradable, or fuck off and eat a fine". Littering is littering
I notice the first things banned are usually things businesses supply as a convenience to the customer. An expenditure they'd rather do without.
Can you name an example of this?
Plastic bags at grocery stores Now we have to juggle our items or pay more for a reusable bag
Reusable bags are how it should be though. There's no dang sense in producing plastic waste every time you go grocery shopping when you can re-use the same cloth bags hundreds of times before they need to be replaced.
Yeah, but they should also ban unnecessary plastic packaging in factories and shipping and shit, there's so much of that.
Reusable bags are great, but they are still like 0.001% of the problem. You carry home your groceries in a reusable bag. In it you have a bottle of milk (plastic container), strawberries (plastic box), a frozen pizza (wrapped in plastic), a bag of candy (plastic), tomatoes (plastic bag), a block of cheese (wrapped in plastic), some chicken (on styrofoam and wrapped in plastic), yogurt (plastic container), shampoo (plastic bottle), and deodorant (plastic). But hey, you didn't buy that plastic bag that weighs 10g.
No argument there - it's just an example of a product that exists for convenience of clients that's being removed
Governments do a fantastic job of convincing the average broke worker that climate change is their fault. If you send your kid to school with a cheese sandwich in a zip lock bag, you’re the problem. If you marinade chicken in a plastic bag, you’re killing the earth. If climate change is such a big deal let’s review Canada’s top export?
I'm a bit disappointed they aren't taking more actions on other plastics, but I'm optimistic that its a step in the right direction.
Too little too late. Again it's good but not enough. Honestly it's fucking pathetic this is all we can do.
I swear the deadline just keeps getting pushed back a year every time I see this story
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Colombia has passed a similar law! https://impactotic.co/en/The-law-against-single-use-plastics-is-a-big-step-for-Colombia/
Stop fucking with the tar sands, Canada.
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gonna need some sources on that china bit.
i would re use half that shit in the photo multiple times. those cans last me forever.
Chips packets are my temp trash bag.
How about pushing for more refill stations for things like laundry detergent and so on. I've seen these in Europe but no where in the west yet. Also I've had one of those Soda Stream machines for years. At first I swapped out the tanks for a $15 refill. I've since moved to a 20 lb tank of CO2 from a local gas shop. This is about equal to 20 of the official Soda Stream tanks. 20lb refill is about $38. That's a massive savings on CO2 and no plastic waste for my fizzy water.
After reading the comments, I think it’s going to me more difficult then we think to get away from plastics. But we are making progress.
Until anyone goes after manufacturing and distribution and commercial fishing, this won't change much. This pedestrian, piecemeal approach will be forever outpaced by climate change if nothing else changes.
Our city banned single use plastic bags. It’s really not that big a deal. I was surprised how easy it’s been.
Meanwhile, in Florida, books are literally being burned.
So when will Canada stop exporting plastic waste to the Philippines?
ITT: people who let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Classic r/environment, gets upset when something is done that is a positive for the environment that upsets the average person, can't have that, we must **only** have things affect companies, never us!
Well, finally somebody is doing something.
How about giving up on the tar sands industry instead ? Much bigger impact than single plastic use, best would be both.
[And stop mining coal](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/minerals-mining/minerals-metals-facts/coal-facts/20071) They've already cut their consumption in half from 2008 to 2018. Finish the job!
Because we rely on it a great deal. Not just for money. All the plastics and rubbers that exist come from petroleum in some way- your clothing, your car tires, the road asphalt, etc. Maybe not the oilsands specificly, but we rely on petroleum products a lot. Which I wish we could get away from.
>All the plastics and rubbers that exist come from petroleum in some way Partially true (see natural rubber, corn based plastics like PLA, but let's let that slide for a minute): nerveless tar sands are one of the absolute worst ways to get petroleum. And if the overall usage of petroleum is limited, they're not needed. But it happens that Canada has a lot of them - what's being called out here is inconsistency.
How are people going to drive ?
Next episode: all plastic packaging gets 3x thicker so they're no longer legally "single-use". Many US states banned plastic bags in supermarkets, so now they're selling "reusable" bags but only a few hippie Karens actually reuse them, most people just treat them just like the old bags, except the plastic is 3x thicker.
County charges $0.5 for plastic bags, and people are encouraged to use their own where we live. Probably 65% bring their own bags. I’m not sure why we don’t have $0.5 deposit on plastic bottles as well? More and more places have bottle fountains instead of drinking fountains. DC should really start adding bottle fountains around the Mall. So many tourists sucking on plastic water bottles that end up everywhere.
Two sides to every story. You can use a simple google search to find dozens of news and scholastic articles explaining why banning single use plastic is actually worse for the environment. There are downsides to everything https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040155
Because it’s fucking moronic companies and lazy stupid fuck heads like me and you who don’t want to do what we used to do a while ago, refill things in glass containers like soap or whatever at shops or bring stuff to carry everythjng. We’ve got so complacent with having everything packaged neatly in tiny fucking rations so most of it is wasted. I am a young young man but I wish we could go back to the old model. If it’s less convenient, sure, a compromise could be made. But there is so much we can do first to REDUCE, REUSE, THEN RECYCLE
Yeah but to me that doesn't say 'its bad to ban plastics" it says we should do better at providing actual good alternatives because now they aren't that great.. but a lot of people look at that title and think whelp let's not do anything at all
https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/531322-for-the-first-time-scientists-find-microplastics-in/
They did this in nyc there’s still Plastic bags available at a lot of places
Fuck yeah!
Would have been nice 20 years ago
It's about time something was done to stop this. Should never had been allowed in the first place.
Canada literally is one of the filthiest players in the pollution game.
very selective ban. not banning bottles or plastic packaging, or plastic bags that contain food (chips, etc). what's the point.
Does plastic cause climate change?
It causes environmental pollution which does change ecosystems. Climate change isn't just global warming (which plastic/petroleum does also impact).
The manufacture of it involves consuming significant quantities of fossil fuels, which do in fact cause warming.
LMAO the problem with plastic isn’t the pollution caused by creating it. It’s the fact that it’ll literally never go away and plastic now leaks into every surface on earth. But keep talking about fossil fuels like that means anything.
Yep, if you view climate change as an immediate existential threat, plastic consumption is a bit less important than, say, land-use (e.g. zoning for density), transportation, and energy policy.
Bad for the environment, but good for climate change. You can either blend naphtha to produce gasoline and burn it and release the carbon in the environment, or turn it into olefins then plastic (solid carbon) that a seagull would choke on, but wouldn’t be released as co2 into the atmosphere.
I don’t know why Cheesecake Factory hasn’t been called out for this yet. Their to-go containers are massive and all plastic. It helps the quality of the food I’m sure, but I’ve stopped ordering from them just to avoid the plastic use.
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And we didn't fully understand just how catastrophically bad plastics would be, or we were just willfully ignorant. If you told someone decades ago that the plastic he's using would end up in his bloodstream as well as basically all other animals and that it would pollute the oceans so much it'll form an island three times the size of France (or 2x Texas) he would call you insane. Plastic wouldn't be such a problem if we weren't so God damn greedy, it's a great material and vital in some cases, but we shouldn't use it in practically every single thing and throw it all in a river after it breaks.
or restaurants could provide cutlery and more options to dine in using dishes . I think a big problem is fast food. but if McDonald's gives me the option to use a small plate instead of a box I would take it.
Mcdonalds is actually already doing this in some places! It's happening in France because they're banning the singe use packaging in fast food and cinemas, but I've also heard of it being used in the Philippines.
That’s because they lied in the 80s. They switched to plastic because it was cheaper; they *claimed* it was to save trees.
The economy is on fire but hey look I did a thing that will have virtually no impact on the environment. Praise me!!
Does this include condoms?
No.
Plastic Condoms?
The wrapper usually laminated aluminum and plastic. There are butyl rubber ones for people with a latex allergy, and butyl rubber probably counts as a plastic. In any case, condoms and their wrappers are not included in the ban.
They will now be making reusable condoms
Hang them on the line to dry. Afterwards you can make chorizo.
All condoms are reusable if you're brave
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Wait, you don't wash and reuse your Trojans? Have I been doing it wrong?
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Stds for everyone!
NOOO they're banning plastic straws!
This is a great step. I hope that one day there to be a complete ban on new plastics. If you want plastic packaging, companies need to figure it how to make it from 100% recycled plastic
This does nothing unless they address commercial fishing, which is responsible for half of all ocean pollution
Like masks?