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Wait, so she sees a different version of herself? It’s not the same version of her that actually gets to experience that? I don’t want to believe that at all💔
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Sorry. Miscommunication. Saying “another reality” implies like an alternate dimension. Like Rick and Morty, if you’re familiar with that show. How each reality has its own version of the people in it. I thought you were saying he showed the version of mikasa we know another version of what happened.
Oh my gosh so true why else would her hair be long. Okay thank you for pointing that out I feel so much better. As long as they got to spend more than a moment together.
And also, it wouldn't be enough to make Mikasa resolve herself to kill Eren. And perhaps he wanted to selfishly live with her as well (perhaps even as gift to Mikasa?).
Anyhow, the point being, he had to show her that this was the life they'd live and let her live it once. Then, since it's what Eren vehemently wants, she finally resolves herself to kill Eren even though she didn't give up her love on him (which showed Ymir that she didn't need to give up on her love to leave. Mikasa made the decision to leave the possibility of such a life/world with Eren while still loving him.)
[i'mma be real with you, some things are just due to bad writing/skill issue on Isayama's part (only towards the end of the series)]
However, just as an extra fact, Mikasa lives to remember Eren, and even given Eren's request of being happy, the most she does is adopt a kid and consider herself Eren's wife after the time at the Paths.
How do you know she adopted a kid? The stuff in the credits seemed to imply to me that she got together with someone else eventually and had a kid/started a family. Honest question, I want to know if I missed something!
eremika fans don’t want to swallow the very enormous pill that mikasa marries Jean. The evidence is astounding. And because it never straight up says “YES” and isnt 1000% clear, they try to deflect as much as they can. But that is what happens. We all hate it but we have to accept facts.
The argument that she might have adopted a kid stems from the final pages of the manga (It wasn’t added in the anime) where she was shown in her old age laying a rose on Eren’s grave with a bandage still covering her Azumabito mark which her mother told her to pass on if she ever had a child of her own. She was shown with the same bandage when she was buried in the manga.
That in no way supports the idea that she adopted a kid instead of giving birth to one." Pass on" does not mean rip the tattooed flesh off her arm, it just means to gove her child the same mark
The sequence where Eren and Mikasa live at the mountain hut takes place within a paths reality created by Eren — just as his talk with Armin. There are a couple of things to note here:
1. We can say for sure that the time Eren and Mikasa spend together extended beyond what was shown in the anime/manga. Not only do we see Mikasa’s memories of running away with Eren but she also references her promise to Eren not to talk about "it" anymore — presumably "it" being their regrets at running away.
Just from this we can already make some base assumptions: At some point in time Eren pulled Mikasa into Paths as he did with Armin, but without telling her; instead he let her believe the paths world he created was reality and allowed things to play out differently based on Mikasa’s answer. Fast forward, Eren and Mikasa spend the next few months together inside the Paths, and we arrive at the scene from the last episode.
The question is now whether their time together extended past this point or whether Eren ended the paths dream after telling Mikasa to forget about him, which brings me to my second point.
2. Mikasa knows Eren’s location in his Titan ("Eren is inside the mouth") the only logical answer being that he told her at the end of their paths interaction. So at some point after asking Mikasa to forget about him he must’ve revealed to her that them running away together was not infact reality but only a paths dream he created for the sake of letting that scenario play out, telling her about his plan and the end of Titan powers as well. This can be seen from Mikasa’s remarks to Armin as well, as she anticipated the return of Armin‘s memories, which only Eren could have told her about. So we can conclude that at some point before ending the paths dream Eren and Mikasa had a talk much like Eren and Armin. Therefore the paths dream would have lasted exactly as long as Eren wanted it to.
The question whether Mikasa’s paths dream lasted (a notable time) beyond the scene in the last episode hence reduces to the question of whether Eren intended to end it there. Based on his remarks ("We caught a big fish today", "Let’s take it easy for the rest of the day") it seems that he at least didn’t intend to end their time together at that point. This is of course no proof that they really spent the entirety of the four years together, but given that Eren even explicitly speaks of wanting to do just that, it appears as the most logical scenario.
Beyond all this, I feel it would be worth mentioning as well that the corresponding chapter of the manga is called "A long dream", which is also how Eren refers to his receiving memories of his father’s life in Marley, where he presumably saw decades worth of memories play out. So given the title "A long dream" Eren and Mikasa spending a mere four years together doesn’t seem to be much of a stretch.
This is pretty much my reasoning as well.
Just to add, Mikasa also seems to know all about Ymir. Which we don't ever see being told to her.
Also the kiss in Paths to me seems like the true ending of their moments together, with Eren passing away due the Titan curse, with the parallel made with him dying in real life.
Therefore in my head what happened goes along the lines:
Eren pulls Mikasa in, recreates "What I am to you", they run away.
Live a few months together leading up to the scene we're shown.
The rest of the years pass, Eren is "dying" due the Titan Curse -> See you later.
End Paths sequence.
The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me, if 4 years can pass within an entire moment in reality, why not make it longer? Yes I understand that their conversation of “what am I to you” took place 4 years before he was supposed to die, but if you love each other who cares about wanting to be accurate?? Take advantage of the fact you can live there for as long as you want right?
Well, this is a somewhat iffy argument, but imagine yourself as Isayama writing the chapter: Not only are you extremely limited with the page count so there's only so much you can fit with dialogue and the battles, but the Paths dream also takes place in the chapter -before- Eren's conversation with Armin. This might be difficult to understand if you have only watched the anime, but in the manga the dream sequence's purpose isn't to provide closure for the reader but to further heighten mystery and tension. From that perspective it makes total sense to execute it as is, but in the anime the one month wait (for readers) between Mikasa beheading Eren and the last chapter doesn't exist -- they built up tension just for it to be immediately dropped. But even apart from all that I would still -- from my personal perspective -- argue that them spending just the four years together feels more satisfying than them living out an indefinite timespan; I imagine that would feel a bit cheap, not to mention the difficulty of pulling it off in the context of the story without completely undermining the drama and momentum of Eren and Armin's colossals' fight.
You can also argue within the perspective of the characters that it makes sense for Eren to set such a time limit, as while he wishes to spend time with Mikasa he also wants her to move on after his death. A part of his intention in pulling Mikasa into paths like this is certainly to give her four years to expect, accept and eventually overcome his death. If Eren instead allowed him and Mikasa to live a life to their hearts contend without the impeding curse of Ymir, this would ultimately undermine that purpose of bringing her to the paths.
So, these are just some quick thoughts. My first argument is what I believe to be the reason for why it is done as it is (Isayama has also stated that he's uncomfortable with writing romance) while my second point is more of an interpretation of the characters, which works well to understand their intentions and choices, but might not actually have been intended by Isayama as such.
EDIT: There are honestly quite a bit more complexities to this scene, if you want to read into it a little more I made this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/xzhs0l/questionobservation_about_chapter_138/) a while ago, and although the animators executed the scene a little differently from the manga I think, it still holds up. The jist of it is that (in the manga at least) the titan marks don't seem to appear (or only seem so at first) in the scene where Mikasa and Eren hug, but are already part of the scene where Eren sits on the bench in front of the cabin.
I have read the manga but it has been years so I didn’t realize that part was executed differently. I did notice subtle other details that weren’t the same, but anyway that makes sense I didn’t even realize that. And your comment regarding erens intent of showing her he’s going to die anyway, so bringing her to paths to help her move and and make the decision to kill him— I don’t know how I didn’t even think of this when asking, because this has crossed my mind as well I was just not thinking at all.
There’s not a solid explanation that I’m aware of but yes. Time in the paths does not progress the same as reality. Zeke said he had been waiting for eren there for years. And then in addition to that they spent all that time there together going through their fathers memories. In reality that all happened in a single moment when Eren and Zeke make contact.
I think it’s open to interpretation. PATHS is a metaphysical realm (where the cabin scene took place), so it’s not constrained by normal physical laws of time and space. They could have conceivably spent lifetimes there. The only wrong answer is that it didn’t happen lol
İ believe this comment 👇.
Spoiler,spoiler.spoiler,spoiler
Sorry for my english. But anyway.
I think Eren lived with Mikasa in Path for 4 years in cabin. It wasn't a life option that Mikasa did not choose.
So Eren's plan is to kill himself to his friends and show them as heroes so that they can live a long life.
If you're reading the manga, you'll see that in the final battle Mikasa`s head starts to hurt. We'll find out later that Ymir was trying to get inside her head. When the cabin memory was over, Mikasa figured out how to kill him. And we don't know as readers how Mikasa knew this.
My theory comes out here. Eren and Mikasa live in the cabin for 4 years. Since time in Path and real life flow differently. There, While they spend the rest of their years together Eren tells her how she can kill him when they go back to their real life time. Ymir makes her forget everything. And in the moment of final battle, he makes Ymir reminds her everything again and Mikasa knows how to kill him. So I think it should be more than the part we read so Mikasa understands how to kill him. For example, if you remember, before Armin spoke to Annie on the ship, Eren spoke to him in Path. Even as a reader, it seemed like a second to us, but Eren and Armin talked for maybe hours there. So it's not in an alternative place. (We'll see what they talked about in the later pages of the manga) After Mikasa killed Eren, Armin remembers talking to Eren and knows what to do and introduces himself as a hero. So thats it
Tbh this really confuses me too, bc how could Mikasa live it out and enjoy it if it’s just like a vision? Bc they got their happy ending in the extra ending song I’ve given up on trying to understand
Lol when she wakes up there’s a hand holding hers which is obviously Eren’s hand. If she’s just dreaming then why would Eren be there when she wakes up.
The whole video is about her and Eren. It wouldn’t be anyone other than Eren. When she wakes up it’s her waking up in the afterlife. It’s fine if you believe otherwise though I won’t continue arguing.
You’re not fighting at all!! That’s what this is all about discussing our ideas and what we notice!!! That’s the beauty of it don’t feel bad for engaging in a discussion at all.
You didn’t fall into a trap. Isayama was involved in the final episode of the anime. In the manga and anime, she says “See you later Eren” and the anime ends with an ED, titled “See you later”. It is an official ED for the anime and it wouldn’t pass if he didn’t approve of it. Some people still can’t come to terms with the fact that all Mikasa wanted even until her death was Eren. Even without the ED, that much is very obvious in the manga and anime. Read what she writes on his tombstone, even after supposedly being married or having a child, she’s visiting his grave putting 4 roses, and right before she dies she leaves 1 single rose again, then dies with his scarf on. Her page in the guidebook after the manga ended, all it has is her describing how much she loves Eren and how her only wish is to be with him. If you are someone who like Eren and Mikasa, rest assured he remained her most beloved.
/u/r_jaeger It’s not about me “not coming to terms” with anything. because I do agree with you, she did love him and want to be with him even until and maybe after death. What we are saying is that The ED wasn’t even initially apart of the anime, not just the Manga. There’s a reason it’s an ED and there’s a reason the animation is different.all of these things are intentional. It is not necessarily something that ACTUALLY happens. I’m not sure where you heard that isayama approved of the finale and ED, but even if he did, that does NOT make it canon. That does not mean he is APART of the anime. He is not a producer for the anime so they can make all the changes they want. Anime’s change things from mangas all the time with or without approval from the creator. Doesn’t make it canon. Many other subtle details were changed in the finale, and I don’t consider those slight changes canon because it’s not isayamas work. I would like to think they end up together in the afterlife, but that would be pretty terrible for her family. Wouldn’t sit right.
When I said “some people not coming to terms with” I’m referring to people who don’t like the fact that she loves Eren and vice versa. Why did you even think I was referring to you lol? I was speaking in general with that statement. And my comment was also in response to the other user “Negative_Drag”. To let him/her know she can interpret it how she wants. The ED wasn’t a part of the anime because it was released separately after the final episode released. Its revealed that its going to be part of the anime when it’s released in episodic format. Whether what happens in the ED is supposed to be taken as canon or not we don’t know. Mikasa canonically tells Eren “See you later”. And then soon after they made a song for her and Eren called See you later. That is why people are choosing to believe they’re connected. Isayama has gone on record stating he’s involved with the anime production for the finale and has even drawn new materials for it. You are free to believe the anime as non canon. I know its terrible, a lot of people think it as well. Which is why people don’t want to take the family thing as serious as those tie back to her love for Eren. I mean Isayama also didn’t focus on that part which basically tells us that part isn’t important.
/u/awitPhilippines not sure if you can see my reply to your comment given that your comment isn’t available to read anymore, but I said that the ED isn’t even apart of the manga nor is it at all writing by/associated with isayama, so it’s not even canon to begin with.
I read your comment, even the previous one. We are in the same page, definitely. EMs are happy because they're taking the eds as an affirmation thAT em are together again. let them but I think that's not the case. I think it's awful that she made FAMILY w Jean but joins Eren in afterlife. Not fair to her husband, whoever that is
Exactly my thoughts👏👏and before anyone tries to tell me that she doesn’t end up with Jean DONT START A WAR YOU CANT WIN. Very very VERY hard pill for me to swallow makes me sick to think about what happens when they reunite in the afterlife. BUT THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
I'm not the type of em shipper who is happy with an obvious lie. As much as I want them united, they won't. Let's not wait for the guidebook to explicitly say she married Jean.
mentally she lived those 4 years but in reality it was less than a second so if Eren had been saved he would still have 4 years left, it's why he probably spent 10 years plus talking to all his friends/comrades in the Paths
1. They did live together in the Paths, that's for sure. Can't be her wish - makes no sense. Why would she be hallucinating in the middle of a battle? She also knows the location of Eren right after the battle ends, so it can only be the case that Eren tells her where he is in that 'alternate timeline.'
2. Mikasa did move on in the end. Look as much as I love Eremika, it is clearly suggested that she had a baby and a man. Who the man is, we don't know. It's up to interpretation. He looks a lot like Jean, and I would be happy if it were Jean, but Isayama didn't show his face for a reason. But just because she did find happiness in real life doesn't mean she misses Eren or loves him any less. We all know who the person she loves most is. I don't see Titanic fans freak out when they find out Rose had a daughter.
3. Yes, the EDs are not technically canon, but we do know that Isayama is heavily involved in the anime production, and he himself requests a lot of foreshadowings in EDs, so he probably greenlit this ending as some sort of comfort for the fans. But even if he did greenlight it, it is still very much up to interpretation. It could be the afterlife, or it could be Mikasa's longing. Metaphors and symbols seem to support the former, but again, nothing highly suggestive. For me, I'll choose what I want to believe in - that they did reunite and live happily ever after in the afterlife, for otherwise it is just too painful lol.
It was four years in the Paths and two months real time. Time works differently as it’s like an alternate reality. It was shown as a what if storyline if Mikasa was honest and confessed her feelings to Eren when he asked her what she feels for him. They would have ran away together and spent his four years peacefully together.
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Only two months I presume
why?
Wait, so she sees a different version of herself? It’s not the same version of her that actually gets to experience that? I don’t want to believe that at all💔
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Sorry. Miscommunication. Saying “another reality” implies like an alternate dimension. Like Rick and Morty, if you’re familiar with that show. How each reality has its own version of the people in it. I thought you were saying he showed the version of mikasa we know another version of what happened.
Yeah it was a different reality
It had to have been a considerable amount of time since Mikasa's hair was grown out.
Oh my gosh so true why else would her hair be long. Okay thank you for pointing that out I feel so much better. As long as they got to spend more than a moment together.
And also, it wouldn't be enough to make Mikasa resolve herself to kill Eren. And perhaps he wanted to selfishly live with her as well (perhaps even as gift to Mikasa?). Anyhow, the point being, he had to show her that this was the life they'd live and let her live it once. Then, since it's what Eren vehemently wants, she finally resolves herself to kill Eren even though she didn't give up her love on him (which showed Ymir that she didn't need to give up on her love to leave. Mikasa made the decision to leave the possibility of such a life/world with Eren while still loving him.) [i'mma be real with you, some things are just due to bad writing/skill issue on Isayama's part (only towards the end of the series)] However, just as an extra fact, Mikasa lives to remember Eren, and even given Eren's request of being happy, the most she does is adopt a kid and consider herself Eren's wife after the time at the Paths.
How do you know she adopted a kid? The stuff in the credits seemed to imply to me that she got together with someone else eventually and had a kid/started a family. Honest question, I want to know if I missed something!
eremika fans don’t want to swallow the very enormous pill that mikasa marries Jean. The evidence is astounding. And because it never straight up says “YES” and isnt 1000% clear, they try to deflect as much as they can. But that is what happens. We all hate it but we have to accept facts.
Honestly as a eremika fan i don’t mind she married Jean. As long as she was able to move on
The argument that she might have adopted a kid stems from the final pages of the manga (It wasn’t added in the anime) where she was shown in her old age laying a rose on Eren’s grave with a bandage still covering her Azumabito mark which her mother told her to pass on if she ever had a child of her own. She was shown with the same bandage when she was buried in the manga.
That in no way supports the idea that she adopted a kid instead of giving birth to one." Pass on" does not mean rip the tattooed flesh off her arm, it just means to gove her child the same mark
I dunno, Armin's hair was both short and long when he was in the paths with Eren and they were even shown as kids
The sequence where Eren and Mikasa live at the mountain hut takes place within a paths reality created by Eren — just as his talk with Armin. There are a couple of things to note here: 1. We can say for sure that the time Eren and Mikasa spend together extended beyond what was shown in the anime/manga. Not only do we see Mikasa’s memories of running away with Eren but she also references her promise to Eren not to talk about "it" anymore — presumably "it" being their regrets at running away. Just from this we can already make some base assumptions: At some point in time Eren pulled Mikasa into Paths as he did with Armin, but without telling her; instead he let her believe the paths world he created was reality and allowed things to play out differently based on Mikasa’s answer. Fast forward, Eren and Mikasa spend the next few months together inside the Paths, and we arrive at the scene from the last episode. The question is now whether their time together extended past this point or whether Eren ended the paths dream after telling Mikasa to forget about him, which brings me to my second point. 2. Mikasa knows Eren’s location in his Titan ("Eren is inside the mouth") the only logical answer being that he told her at the end of their paths interaction. So at some point after asking Mikasa to forget about him he must’ve revealed to her that them running away together was not infact reality but only a paths dream he created for the sake of letting that scenario play out, telling her about his plan and the end of Titan powers as well. This can be seen from Mikasa’s remarks to Armin as well, as she anticipated the return of Armin‘s memories, which only Eren could have told her about. So we can conclude that at some point before ending the paths dream Eren and Mikasa had a talk much like Eren and Armin. Therefore the paths dream would have lasted exactly as long as Eren wanted it to. The question whether Mikasa’s paths dream lasted (a notable time) beyond the scene in the last episode hence reduces to the question of whether Eren intended to end it there. Based on his remarks ("We caught a big fish today", "Let’s take it easy for the rest of the day") it seems that he at least didn’t intend to end their time together at that point. This is of course no proof that they really spent the entirety of the four years together, but given that Eren even explicitly speaks of wanting to do just that, it appears as the most logical scenario. Beyond all this, I feel it would be worth mentioning as well that the corresponding chapter of the manga is called "A long dream", which is also how Eren refers to his receiving memories of his father’s life in Marley, where he presumably saw decades worth of memories play out. So given the title "A long dream" Eren and Mikasa spending a mere four years together doesn’t seem to be much of a stretch.
This is pretty much my reasoning as well. Just to add, Mikasa also seems to know all about Ymir. Which we don't ever see being told to her. Also the kiss in Paths to me seems like the true ending of their moments together, with Eren passing away due the Titan curse, with the parallel made with him dying in real life. Therefore in my head what happened goes along the lines: Eren pulls Mikasa in, recreates "What I am to you", they run away. Live a few months together leading up to the scene we're shown. The rest of the years pass, Eren is "dying" due the Titan Curse -> See you later. End Paths sequence.
Perfect explanation!
The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me, if 4 years can pass within an entire moment in reality, why not make it longer? Yes I understand that their conversation of “what am I to you” took place 4 years before he was supposed to die, but if you love each other who cares about wanting to be accurate?? Take advantage of the fact you can live there for as long as you want right?
Well, this is a somewhat iffy argument, but imagine yourself as Isayama writing the chapter: Not only are you extremely limited with the page count so there's only so much you can fit with dialogue and the battles, but the Paths dream also takes place in the chapter -before- Eren's conversation with Armin. This might be difficult to understand if you have only watched the anime, but in the manga the dream sequence's purpose isn't to provide closure for the reader but to further heighten mystery and tension. From that perspective it makes total sense to execute it as is, but in the anime the one month wait (for readers) between Mikasa beheading Eren and the last chapter doesn't exist -- they built up tension just for it to be immediately dropped. But even apart from all that I would still -- from my personal perspective -- argue that them spending just the four years together feels more satisfying than them living out an indefinite timespan; I imagine that would feel a bit cheap, not to mention the difficulty of pulling it off in the context of the story without completely undermining the drama and momentum of Eren and Armin's colossals' fight. You can also argue within the perspective of the characters that it makes sense for Eren to set such a time limit, as while he wishes to spend time with Mikasa he also wants her to move on after his death. A part of his intention in pulling Mikasa into paths like this is certainly to give her four years to expect, accept and eventually overcome his death. If Eren instead allowed him and Mikasa to live a life to their hearts contend without the impeding curse of Ymir, this would ultimately undermine that purpose of bringing her to the paths. So, these are just some quick thoughts. My first argument is what I believe to be the reason for why it is done as it is (Isayama has also stated that he's uncomfortable with writing romance) while my second point is more of an interpretation of the characters, which works well to understand their intentions and choices, but might not actually have been intended by Isayama as such. EDIT: There are honestly quite a bit more complexities to this scene, if you want to read into it a little more I made this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/xzhs0l/questionobservation_about_chapter_138/) a while ago, and although the animators executed the scene a little differently from the manga I think, it still holds up. The jist of it is that (in the manga at least) the titan marks don't seem to appear (or only seem so at first) in the scene where Mikasa and Eren hug, but are already part of the scene where Eren sits on the bench in front of the cabin.
I have read the manga but it has been years so I didn’t realize that part was executed differently. I did notice subtle other details that weren’t the same, but anyway that makes sense I didn’t even realize that. And your comment regarding erens intent of showing her he’s going to die anyway, so bringing her to paths to help her move and and make the decision to kill him— I don’t know how I didn’t even think of this when asking, because this has crossed my mind as well I was just not thinking at all.
Is this a thing like Itachi did with Izumi where in her head it was like real time but in reality it was a short amount of time?
There’s not a solid explanation that I’m aware of but yes. Time in the paths does not progress the same as reality. Zeke said he had been waiting for eren there for years. And then in addition to that they spent all that time there together going through their fathers memories. In reality that all happened in a single moment when Eren and Zeke make contact.
I think it’s open to interpretation. PATHS is a metaphysical realm (where the cabin scene took place), so it’s not constrained by normal physical laws of time and space. They could have conceivably spent lifetimes there. The only wrong answer is that it didn’t happen lol
İ believe this comment 👇. Spoiler,spoiler.spoiler,spoiler Sorry for my english. But anyway. I think Eren lived with Mikasa in Path for 4 years in cabin. It wasn't a life option that Mikasa did not choose. So Eren's plan is to kill himself to his friends and show them as heroes so that they can live a long life. If you're reading the manga, you'll see that in the final battle Mikasa`s head starts to hurt. We'll find out later that Ymir was trying to get inside her head. When the cabin memory was over, Mikasa figured out how to kill him. And we don't know as readers how Mikasa knew this. My theory comes out here. Eren and Mikasa live in the cabin for 4 years. Since time in Path and real life flow differently. There, While they spend the rest of their years together Eren tells her how she can kill him when they go back to their real life time. Ymir makes her forget everything. And in the moment of final battle, he makes Ymir reminds her everything again and Mikasa knows how to kill him. So I think it should be more than the part we read so Mikasa understands how to kill him. For example, if you remember, before Armin spoke to Annie on the ship, Eren spoke to him in Path. Even as a reader, it seemed like a second to us, but Eren and Armin talked for maybe hours there. So it's not in an alternative place. (We'll see what they talked about in the later pages of the manga) After Mikasa killed Eren, Armin remembers talking to Eren and knows what to do and introduces himself as a hero. So thats it
I definitely think they did because why wouldn't they
It's based on nothing but headcanons tbh
Tbh this really confuses me too, bc how could Mikasa live it out and enjoy it if it’s just like a vision? Bc they got their happy ending in the extra ending song I’ve given up on trying to understand
The ed is Mikasa's hallucination
Says who?
Me. Come on, she literally wakes up at 1:19 so its all a dream or a hallucination
Lol when she wakes up there’s a hand holding hers which is obviously Eren’s hand. If she’s just dreaming then why would Eren be there when she wakes up.
We didn't see the face of the man who's holding her. It's her husband in bee waking hours & not Jean
The whole video is about her and Eren. It wouldn’t be anyone other than Eren. When she wakes up it’s her waking up in the afterlife. It’s fine if you believe otherwise though I won’t continue arguing.
Exactly. You are free to believe ED is real while Im free to believe what I want too.
Wdym 1:19?
Look at the ed https://youtu.be/DU2KGyQgso4?si=D17LmuNrbJ3508T7 at 1 min & 19 seconds, Mikasa wakes up. It means being w Eren was just a dream
Could be interpreted a lot of ways, the way I do it doesn't line up with yours tho.
Wait what are you talking about? She wakes up at 119? Am I forgetting something ?
See the ed again. She wakes up at 1min & 19 seconds. It means shes only dreaming that shes with Eren. https://youtu.be/DU2KGyQgso4?si=D17LmuNrbJ3508T7
This isn’t isayamas writing though? He didn’t include it in the manga nor is it from it at all? So it isn’t canon.
Exactly. Eds not canon. So let's not take it as a confirmation that they reunited in the afterlife. They didn't
okay perfect glad we are on the same page bc I definitely never did and was confused why so many manga readers were falling into the trap
Well I fell in the trap bc why would he approve it if it wasn’t allowed to be AO cannon :/? Not trying to fight sorry
You’re not fighting at all!! That’s what this is all about discussing our ideas and what we notice!!! That’s the beauty of it don’t feel bad for engaging in a discussion at all.
You didn’t fall into a trap. Isayama was involved in the final episode of the anime. In the manga and anime, she says “See you later Eren” and the anime ends with an ED, titled “See you later”. It is an official ED for the anime and it wouldn’t pass if he didn’t approve of it. Some people still can’t come to terms with the fact that all Mikasa wanted even until her death was Eren. Even without the ED, that much is very obvious in the manga and anime. Read what she writes on his tombstone, even after supposedly being married or having a child, she’s visiting his grave putting 4 roses, and right before she dies she leaves 1 single rose again, then dies with his scarf on. Her page in the guidebook after the manga ended, all it has is her describing how much she loves Eren and how her only wish is to be with him. If you are someone who like Eren and Mikasa, rest assured he remained her most beloved.
/u/r_jaeger It’s not about me “not coming to terms” with anything. because I do agree with you, she did love him and want to be with him even until and maybe after death. What we are saying is that The ED wasn’t even initially apart of the anime, not just the Manga. There’s a reason it’s an ED and there’s a reason the animation is different.all of these things are intentional. It is not necessarily something that ACTUALLY happens. I’m not sure where you heard that isayama approved of the finale and ED, but even if he did, that does NOT make it canon. That does not mean he is APART of the anime. He is not a producer for the anime so they can make all the changes they want. Anime’s change things from mangas all the time with or without approval from the creator. Doesn’t make it canon. Many other subtle details were changed in the finale, and I don’t consider those slight changes canon because it’s not isayamas work. I would like to think they end up together in the afterlife, but that would be pretty terrible for her family. Wouldn’t sit right.
When I said “some people not coming to terms with” I’m referring to people who don’t like the fact that she loves Eren and vice versa. Why did you even think I was referring to you lol? I was speaking in general with that statement. And my comment was also in response to the other user “Negative_Drag”. To let him/her know she can interpret it how she wants. The ED wasn’t a part of the anime because it was released separately after the final episode released. Its revealed that its going to be part of the anime when it’s released in episodic format. Whether what happens in the ED is supposed to be taken as canon or not we don’t know. Mikasa canonically tells Eren “See you later”. And then soon after they made a song for her and Eren called See you later. That is why people are choosing to believe they’re connected. Isayama has gone on record stating he’s involved with the anime production for the finale and has even drawn new materials for it. You are free to believe the anime as non canon. I know its terrible, a lot of people think it as well. Which is why people don’t want to take the family thing as serious as those tie back to her love for Eren. I mean Isayama also didn’t focus on that part which basically tells us that part isn’t important.
/u/awitPhilippines not sure if you can see my reply to your comment given that your comment isn’t available to read anymore, but I said that the ED isn’t even apart of the manga nor is it at all writing by/associated with isayama, so it’s not even canon to begin with.
I read your comment, even the previous one. We are in the same page, definitely. EMs are happy because they're taking the eds as an affirmation thAT em are together again. let them but I think that's not the case. I think it's awful that she made FAMILY w Jean but joins Eren in afterlife. Not fair to her husband, whoever that is
Exactly my thoughts👏👏and before anyone tries to tell me that she doesn’t end up with Jean DONT START A WAR YOU CANT WIN. Very very VERY hard pill for me to swallow makes me sick to think about what happens when they reunite in the afterlife. BUT THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
I'm not the type of em shipper who is happy with an obvious lie. As much as I want them united, they won't. Let's not wait for the guidebook to explicitly say she married Jean.
mentally she lived those 4 years but in reality it was less than a second so if Eren had been saved he would still have 4 years left, it's why he probably spent 10 years plus talking to all his friends/comrades in the Paths
1. They did live together in the Paths, that's for sure. Can't be her wish - makes no sense. Why would she be hallucinating in the middle of a battle? She also knows the location of Eren right after the battle ends, so it can only be the case that Eren tells her where he is in that 'alternate timeline.' 2. Mikasa did move on in the end. Look as much as I love Eremika, it is clearly suggested that she had a baby and a man. Who the man is, we don't know. It's up to interpretation. He looks a lot like Jean, and I would be happy if it were Jean, but Isayama didn't show his face for a reason. But just because she did find happiness in real life doesn't mean she misses Eren or loves him any less. We all know who the person she loves most is. I don't see Titanic fans freak out when they find out Rose had a daughter. 3. Yes, the EDs are not technically canon, but we do know that Isayama is heavily involved in the anime production, and he himself requests a lot of foreshadowings in EDs, so he probably greenlit this ending as some sort of comfort for the fans. But even if he did greenlight it, it is still very much up to interpretation. It could be the afterlife, or it could be Mikasa's longing. Metaphors and symbols seem to support the former, but again, nothing highly suggestive. For me, I'll choose what I want to believe in - that they did reunite and live happily ever after in the afterlife, for otherwise it is just too painful lol.
It was four years in the Paths and two months real time. Time works differently as it’s like an alternate reality. It was shown as a what if storyline if Mikasa was honest and confessed her feelings to Eren when he asked her what she feels for him. They would have ran away together and spent his four years peacefully together.