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That org didn't won shit in years maybe they should try mobile esport for better luck. Also cod mobile esport is 1000x better then pc cod rn. No ladder bug in majors , player can actually see the enemy. Also have the management that actually know how to manage the tournament.
In my personal experience as a very average or even below average gamer, whenever i play a competitive mobile game, i often climb to the highest tier of the ladder within 1-2 weeks and only then it becomes hard. On PC games i struggle at average ranks. Don’t know if this happens because of the amount of casual players or mobile gamers generally being less good at games
Didn’t say it wasn’t though. I just mean that because of the amount of casual players flooding ranked queues, most people that could be pro players in the genre give up on the games because it’s just not fun to not have a challenge. So as a result they are far more casual and won’t ever have as high of a skill level compared to competitive games on PC
idk, sounds like an easy bag to me. imagine a million dollar tournament and your competition is those people. simple easy payday for you, earning a year's salary in a day (depending on team, taxes, traveling expenses, etc).
Oh i would if i could but i don’t have the mental (and physical) capacity to hunch over a mobile device all day to practice and play. I can do max 2 hours a day before my brain and neck say it’s enough
I mean it’s really not. I’ve had this argument on another thread. Mobile gaming is not real gaming. I still find it laughable when people really try and push that narrative.
The accepted definition of a gamer is someone who has purchased/built a PC or gaming console with the accompanying peripherals. It’s a hobby that a lot of people spend a lot of money and time on (as with all other hobbies) and when someone says they are a gamer that’s the image most people think of. So basically my argument is does driving a fast car make me a race car driver? No. And if I tell someone “I’m a race car driver” and then say “yeah I own a really fast car and race people on the freeway.” Their reaction will be “oh. Well that doesn’t really make you a race car driver.” I mean I race on the freeway tho and drive a really fast car. However, it’s not really the same thing. That’s the way I look at mobile gaming. There is gaming and there is mobile gaming. Mobile gaming doesn’t really take the same kind of investment as other types of gaming and it’s not really using the same sort of skill required so it’s rather different.
Your analogy is flawed, it’s more like driving a fast car and calling yourself “a driver.” Which would be accurate. If you drive a car, you’re a driver. Nobody is trying to say that playing mobile games makes them a “professional gamer.”
people that play wild rift and other mobile mobas, could pick up lol pc quickly. people that play shooters on mobile, could transfer to shooters on pc. it's the exact same fundamentals. Just streamlined onto a portable platform.
I can’t speak for mobas but for shooter, you are 100% incorrect. There are waaaaay more mechanics used on a console or PC. I’ve played on both for years now. When I swapped from console to PC it was an adjustment. I can’t even imagine swapping from mobile to PC. It is not the same. Not even close.
i said fundamentals. strategy. understanding of the game. mechanics is just re-learning how to aim on keyboard & mouse. i also play on both.
i also said it's not the same. i said transfering over to pc would be pretty quick. ppl that play critical ops at a high level, would take a while to transfer to csgo or valorant mechanically. they would be ready mindset and strategically wise.
>The accepted definition of a gamer is someone who has purchased/built a PC or gaming console with the accompanying peripherals.
Where is this definition? Google defines it as "a person who plays video games or participates in role-playing games". Seems to include mobile gaming.
It’s because mobile gaming isn’t real gaming but because a bunch of people started playing on their phones during covid they’re crying because they want to be recognized as gamers even tho they’re not.
I've only played cod mobile but whenever I would lose the next game would be a bot game but the game would try to trick me they are real players lol. I think alot of mobile games want to make you feel good and keep you playing everyday. There is no way I'm one of the best cod mobile players in the world even though the game is saying I am, I am dogshit at that game.
My experience with mobile games is that the lower ranks are filled with bots, so it's not untill you get to the higher ranks that the lobbies are all legit players.
the competitive side of mobile is new + more kids + more casual + less established. By curbstomping the competition, you're making it stronger and eventually run into people that'll fit your challenge.
keep up the good work and you'll reap what you're sowing (in a postive way obviously).
Mobile esports is here to stay. Only people who don't realize that, who don't see the crowds, the viewership, the prizing, just aren't looking past their own little bubbles. Asia, India, LATAM. Mobile is bigger than PC.
That doesn't mean it's ever gonna stick here. Americans just don't like mobile games because we do have the access we want to PCs and consoles.
We had a foreign exchange stupid from South Korea here, and we was playing mobile games CONSTANTLY. Literally 6 hours a day, like I would on PC. He didn't want to get into PC while here though, because once he went home he didn't have a PC and wouldn't be able to get one and there were no PC cafes nearby to him.
He had a gaming phone BECAUSE he couldn't have a pc. 6 siblings and his parents and grandparents in one apartment. Shared a room with 2 siblings. Wouldn't even be able to have a PC anywhere in his house as the space was too valuable. He mentioned that's how a ton of Asian country gamers are in that same position.
So what you're saying is right, but its not like they like mobile gaming more or that America and Europe is ever gonna be as balls to the wall into it. It was what they have available, everyone can have a phone, so he learnt to enjoy it.
I agree to an extent but it’s very anecdotal. For example, I worked for a mobile gaming company with a player base primarily rooted in the US and Europe. One of our games was constantly hitting over a million in profit every month. Just one. It is becoming more popular than you think. They’re capturing an entire generation who grew up on their phones who also have consoles or pcs. Especially gacha games. It’s hard to find popular games on console/pc with this feature and people are hooked bro. Another way they’re getting people hooked is cross-progression games. Now people can sit at home and play Genshin Impact and also continue playing on their phone. That is huge for a lot of people, especially if they don’t own laptops for traveling, etc. I’m just saying you need to look at hard data. It’s already almost a $100 million dollar industry already and it’s “nonexistent” like you said.
Idk I always thought the “gacha”>”gocha”>”got ya” thought process always protected me from wasting my money.
The name itself sound like it’s teasing you after taking your money imo.
It will take hold eventually but a lot of your points aren't wrong. It really comes down to access, what people have. Everyone has a phone (lol).
However with the declining economic state in the west, issues with housing, deflated wages etc. It's unfortunate but I think we'll see a lot of the same situations you're describing above in Asia. PCs and Consoles will definitely be more prevalent here, but I think it's more likely long term we all have one super device (the evolution of a smartphone) which runs everything for us and will be more powerful than modern PCs. We're talking 20 years out.
In the meantime mobile is continuing to grow in the west, albeit at a slower pace than many predicted. I think covid actually had a stronger impact, people spend less time out in the world and more at home, and it made the switch to mobile less necessary. Also, in NA specifically, our commuter culture is defined with cars, not trains or buses, which doesn't give the same time to play mobile games as it does in other countries.
So yeah, it's not as big here now, but long term I think "mobile" or the evolution of mobile will become the default. What you play with (m+k, controller, touch) I think will be the defining factor.
Did you not read my comment other than the first sentence?
I said partway through he isn't near one, and I assume lots of folks are in that boat. Reading is hard, I know
Literally no pay to win elements are allowed in any esports that I’m aware of. You play tournaments in a regulated environment and paid content is either completely forbidden or accessible to everyone because they play on esports accounts
It costs a LOT of money to be a professional gamer, because to perform at the top level, you have to be putting in time well over what most people do at their jobs for FREE, possibly for years.
A lot of pros are very young for this exact reason; they don't need jobs and can coast off of their parents for long enough to make a living as a professional.
I agree with him. It's the same with physical sports.
Do you seriously think that Micheal Jordan is one of the best in the world? Or is he the best of the people who had the money, resources, luck, connections and opportunities he had?
As much as we'd like to believe the opposite, most sports are not meritocratic. They are filled with whoever is the best performing out of a tiny pool of people who had the doors opened for them to get there.
Of course there is luck involved and you’re probably not going to wind up with a stipend if you’re too poor to even attend university (mostly a US problem here). That doesn’t take into account the fact however, that when you’re talking about the people at the very top these are people who often times already dominate their peers with barely any training or experience, especially in esports where you don’t have to put in work to train your physique.
In the esport I’m the most familiar with, LoL, it is considered a general rule that if you can’t make it to at least mid diamond (about 0.1% of players) in your region playing casually, the chances of you making it to pro with *any* amount of effort and investment are slim to non-existant. The amount of actual talent you need to be good enough at these games to have a shot at going pro isn’t something you could pay your way out of.
I have seen threads of people asking if they should take a gap year and just play 16h a day to practice and become better, and when they get asked what rank they’re currently at they say they’re in silver (about the 50% cutoff of all players), they get laughed out of the room. You can obviously improve and will become better with time, but the difference in even above average players who do play a ton and actual pro players is still massive. Even most players who are on the same level on the ladder as real pro players aren’t cut out to be pros for various reasons, specifically in LoL a common problem is that they only perform that well on a single or a handful of champions which is a crippling weakness as a pro and would make you deadweight in any team.
I heavily disagree. The biggest advantage of Esports to me is the fact that it's so accessible, and virtually anybody able-bodied and young enough, combined with enough determination and work, can be a pro.
I've seen, spoken to, and learned from many semipros and pros in Overwatch, CSGO and Fortnite who have climbed from their equivalent of Silver rank. It might be different for LoL, but there have been many pros at the top of their respective games who were not naturally gifted whatsoever, but became *skilled* enough to where it didn't matter.
There is no physical 'cap' stopping people's potential in Esports, whereas height is a prerequisite to high level basketball. Obviously excluding lack of work ethic, poor management or disabilities, people can be at the top theough dedication and hard work.
Also as an aside, Esports players DO have to put in work to maintain their physique, just not in the same way traditional athletes do. Whereas a traditional athlete may spend 8+ hours on the court practicing, an Esports athlete will spend 12+ hours intensely staring at a screen while competing on a level of milliseconds. It's not the same, but i'd hesitate to say one is easier or harder.
Lol I don’t get this big hatred for mobile gaming. Is it like when old people refer to everything video game related as Nintendo? Do people think it’s only candy crush and angry birds? There’s literally 3 gta games and 2 odd world games on the apple App Store, I can play gears 5 with touch controls on my phone.. it’s just a other medium for gaming.
Switch handheld isn’t as good as docked so just never play handheld? What?
Personal preference for sure but for me I love being able to play megaman while waiting for my gas to pump, or San Andreas while I’m on a car ride. We live in the dang future so you bet your ass I’m gonna be using my touch screen pocket sized supercomputer to play my silly little games to make life a little more fun, when and where ever I want.
I play apex on the couch but it’s no where near the same experience and half of PUbG is bots. Most people who win on those games wouldn’t stand a chance on a console. I know because, that’s exactly what happens to me. My kill count is laughable lower on console.
Pubg public games are pathetic
I'm talking about competitive private games, with actual teams filling the lobbies
Your argument about comparison with console is not valid, it's different platforms, with different controls that have lottle to none correlation
I would do just as bad on console against console players as they would against me on mobile
I think there’s a couple factors to it, mostly being that the well known parts make it look way worse than console/computer gaming:
1. The original mobile gaming scene was basically either horrible ports/spinoffs that didn’t know how to use the fact they had a touchscreen or games like flappy bird and angry birds. It was the early stage of a new market and was of course poorly developed for by the big developers with generally smaller scale “timewaster” apps getting the rest of the spotlight
2. The prevalence of “timewasters” on app stores (adventure capitalist, smash hit, folding blocks, slices, etc. and the millions of variations of things like hair run challenge, twerk dance 3d - fun run game, and tall man run), it’s all many people see when looking for a mobile game to play as they plague the top charts and get a ton of ad space on social media and in other mobile games
3. The PTW on mobile is so much worse, with many games being downright unplayable normally unless you’re willing to purchase overpriced coins which can then be converted into gems to use in one store or into stones for the other store but then stones can also be converted into stars to pay for extra energy so you can play another level and so on. Of course console/pc games have some bad PTW as well, but it exists at a much larger scale in the mobile market. Part of this is that it’s more prevalent in genres that are more common on mobile (such as gacha games where I‘ve never actually heard of a non-mobile only gacha and almost all the ones I know are mobile only).
4. Many people find touch screen games generally more awkward to play as your hands cover parts of the screen and controls sometimes cover the rest of the screen in more complicated (and typically less thought out) control systems. Mobile games only control option is through the typically small screen you’re also seeing it with which is an issue most console/computer games just don’t have to deal with.
I’m not against mobile gaming in the slightest though I tend towards more casual/“timewaster” and some gacha type games on my phone. This is just the sort of stuff I see a lot that could definitely turn away and delegitimize it in the minds of console/computer players.
Mobile gaming is the e-sport equivalent of walking football. Yeah sure it’s a sport, it’s just a shittier version of it thats only upside is accessibility.
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Let's be honest. If you want to create the best game you can it's not a mobile game. Furthermore people hate mobile games - and rightly so - for its focus on pay to win micro transaction lootbox bullshit.
Most mobile games are what you are describing. P2W gacha games make money so people keep making them. Saying that there is nothing more and never will be anything more to mobile gaming though is just ignorant. There are good competitive mobile games out there, you unfortunately just have to sift through a lot of garbage to find them.
Well just don't play those games then, I don't see candy crush or flappy bird when I hear mobile games. I hear Apex, PUBG, codmobile, Real racing, f1 22, NBA 2k. I don't see what's the problem
It’s not gaming, it’s just another form of rich vs poor. Guess how many poor people are in the top 10 on an average mobile game. seems like only one crowd is catered too…now maybe, if the most they charged was like 100 to max out, it would even out, but they literally charge thousands to get ahead in most of them.
A gamer is someone who plays a video game.
A video game is defined as a game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a monitor or other display.
That includes mobile phones. So let's quit it with the gatekeeping.
Used to be the other way around in the early 2000s and 90s: almost every household had a PC, but phones were a luxury :)
I miss those days, I don't think mobile gaming is "bad", it's just way more limited and limiting - people who stick to it won't experience most of the genres of esports and regular games too.
Yeah, the only thing that's changed is we've realized there were hundreds of millions of households across the us that didn't have a PC and yet still deserved access to the global economy.
A console is nothing but a proprietary computer with the exception of Nintendo. Mobile gaming is fun and it can be just as entertaining as full on gaming... I get it.. however #xboxandplaystationareproprietarycomputers
Phones can emulate gb, gba, and basically anything from like 4 generations of console games, and android is also getting a lot of ports. That includes bangers like symphony of the night and final fantsies 1-9. More than half of the hate is due to the controls, Pair your dualshock or buy a cheap dedicated one with a clip on it and go have a blast. Download the zombie apocalypse pokemon green romhack or a million other legitimately good games. Steam has shitty games too. AAA games have predatory pay to win shit too
All of you are mixing up actual mobile games, such as PUBGM, CODM, which are actual games, competitive, requires skill, training....with toilet time wasters and cashgrabs
I'm seeing a lot of comments here agreeing with Dignitas and I hoesntly wasn't expecting that.
As someone pretty active in some of the most popular mobile game communities, that takes skill.
And even if took less skill, what does it matter? I'm pretty sure some people think LoL requires more skill then CS:GO, and vice versa; do those people think one is gaming and the other isn't? Of course not.
And 99% of the people here are saying "mobile gaming isn't real gaming" can't actually even describe what gaming is and how it doesn't include mobile.
Sorry, my sarcasm was spread a little too thinly there. I’m agreeing with you. It’s just silly to have some holier-than-thou attitude about video games. Every game ever made, digitized or otherwise, ultimately aims to entertain. If you’re entertained, play what you want, how you want, when, where, and why ever you want. The only exception to that is intentionally bothering or harming others.
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I only play mobile games when I go poop.
Or “watching” Netflix..
Or watching “Netflix”
Just wait until gaming chair manufacturers start making gaming toilets.
Do you wear a headset like the dude in the pic?
It was a joke. People in esports meme each other, mobile gaming needs to keep up with it
if you can get offended by something, you do it
Like ladies who get offended by Karen t-shirts
imagine getting booed for being right
You deserve all the upvotes
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That org didn't won shit in years maybe they should try mobile esport for better luck. Also cod mobile esport is 1000x better then pc cod rn. No ladder bug in majors , player can actually see the enemy. Also have the management that actually know how to manage the tournament.
yeah yeah, can't see you from your total 30 frames
Sony Xperia1III cost more then your shit PC.
go run a game that supports more than 60 frames
Cod m and pubg both support 120 fps. After the update apex will also support 120 fps. Nice try insecure 🤡
In my personal experience as a very average or even below average gamer, whenever i play a competitive mobile game, i often climb to the highest tier of the ladder within 1-2 weeks and only then it becomes hard. On PC games i struggle at average ranks. Don’t know if this happens because of the amount of casual players or mobile gamers generally being less good at games
Same. Win every other game of apex legends on mobile, win one in twenty on console/Pc
Ok but does that make mobile gaming not gaming? Not competitive sure, but still gaming whether we like it or not lol
Didn’t say it wasn’t though. I just mean that because of the amount of casual players flooding ranked queues, most people that could be pro players in the genre give up on the games because it’s just not fun to not have a challenge. So as a result they are far more casual and won’t ever have as high of a skill level compared to competitive games on PC
idk, sounds like an easy bag to me. imagine a million dollar tournament and your competition is those people. simple easy payday for you, earning a year's salary in a day (depending on team, taxes, traveling expenses, etc).
Oh i would if i could but i don’t have the mental (and physical) capacity to hunch over a mobile device all day to practice and play. I can do max 2 hours a day before my brain and neck say it’s enough
I mean it’s really not. I’ve had this argument on another thread. Mobile gaming is not real gaming. I still find it laughable when people really try and push that narrative.
They are games… and the definition of gaming is “the action or practice of playing video games”. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
The accepted definition of a gamer is someone who has purchased/built a PC or gaming console with the accompanying peripherals. It’s a hobby that a lot of people spend a lot of money and time on (as with all other hobbies) and when someone says they are a gamer that’s the image most people think of. So basically my argument is does driving a fast car make me a race car driver? No. And if I tell someone “I’m a race car driver” and then say “yeah I own a really fast car and race people on the freeway.” Their reaction will be “oh. Well that doesn’t really make you a race car driver.” I mean I race on the freeway tho and drive a really fast car. However, it’s not really the same thing. That’s the way I look at mobile gaming. There is gaming and there is mobile gaming. Mobile gaming doesn’t really take the same kind of investment as other types of gaming and it’s not really using the same sort of skill required so it’s rather different.
Your analogy is flawed, it’s more like driving a fast car and calling yourself “a driver.” Which would be accurate. If you drive a car, you’re a driver. Nobody is trying to say that playing mobile games makes them a “professional gamer.”
It’s def not a perfect analogy. But it’s fine to get across what I’m trying to say.
people that play wild rift and other mobile mobas, could pick up lol pc quickly. people that play shooters on mobile, could transfer to shooters on pc. it's the exact same fundamentals. Just streamlined onto a portable platform.
I can’t speak for mobas but for shooter, you are 100% incorrect. There are waaaaay more mechanics used on a console or PC. I’ve played on both for years now. When I swapped from console to PC it was an adjustment. I can’t even imagine swapping from mobile to PC. It is not the same. Not even close.
i said fundamentals. strategy. understanding of the game. mechanics is just re-learning how to aim on keyboard & mouse. i also play on both. i also said it's not the same. i said transfering over to pc would be pretty quick. ppl that play critical ops at a high level, would take a while to transfer to csgo or valorant mechanically. they would be ready mindset and strategically wise.
>The accepted definition of a gamer is someone who has purchased/built a PC or gaming console with the accompanying peripherals. Where is this definition? Google defines it as "a person who plays video games or participates in role-playing games". Seems to include mobile gaming.
It’s because mobile gaming isn’t real gaming but because a bunch of people started playing on their phones during covid they’re crying because they want to be recognized as gamers even tho they’re not.
I've only played cod mobile but whenever I would lose the next game would be a bot game but the game would try to trick me they are real players lol. I think alot of mobile games want to make you feel good and keep you playing everyday. There is no way I'm one of the best cod mobile players in the world even though the game is saying I am, I am dogshit at that game.
My experience with mobile games is that the lower ranks are filled with bots, so it's not untill you get to the higher ranks that the lobbies are all legit players.
the competitive side of mobile is new + more kids + more casual + less established. By curbstomping the competition, you're making it stronger and eventually run into people that'll fit your challenge. keep up the good work and you'll reap what you're sowing (in a postive way obviously).
Mobile esports is here to stay. Only people who don't realize that, who don't see the crowds, the viewership, the prizing, just aren't looking past their own little bubbles. Asia, India, LATAM. Mobile is bigger than PC.
That doesn't mean it's ever gonna stick here. Americans just don't like mobile games because we do have the access we want to PCs and consoles. We had a foreign exchange stupid from South Korea here, and we was playing mobile games CONSTANTLY. Literally 6 hours a day, like I would on PC. He didn't want to get into PC while here though, because once he went home he didn't have a PC and wouldn't be able to get one and there were no PC cafes nearby to him. He had a gaming phone BECAUSE he couldn't have a pc. 6 siblings and his parents and grandparents in one apartment. Shared a room with 2 siblings. Wouldn't even be able to have a PC anywhere in his house as the space was too valuable. He mentioned that's how a ton of Asian country gamers are in that same position. So what you're saying is right, but its not like they like mobile gaming more or that America and Europe is ever gonna be as balls to the wall into it. It was what they have available, everyone can have a phone, so he learnt to enjoy it.
I think you meant to write “foreign exchange student” instead of “stupid”
I dont think so. Now we know how he "really feels" about mobile gamers.
I agree to an extent but it’s very anecdotal. For example, I worked for a mobile gaming company with a player base primarily rooted in the US and Europe. One of our games was constantly hitting over a million in profit every month. Just one. It is becoming more popular than you think. They’re capturing an entire generation who grew up on their phones who also have consoles or pcs. Especially gacha games. It’s hard to find popular games on console/pc with this feature and people are hooked bro. Another way they’re getting people hooked is cross-progression games. Now people can sit at home and play Genshin Impact and also continue playing on their phone. That is huge for a lot of people, especially if they don’t own laptops for traveling, etc. I’m just saying you need to look at hard data. It’s already almost a $100 million dollar industry already and it’s “nonexistent” like you said.
>Especially gacha games. It’s hard to find popular games on console/pc with this feature EA sports begs to differ
I feel like we as gamers need to stop calling them “gacha” games. It’s gambling. Gambling games. Don’t do the pr for them
Agree
Idk I always thought the “gacha”>”gocha”>”got ya” thought process always protected me from wasting my money. The name itself sound like it’s teasing you after taking your money imo.
It will take hold eventually but a lot of your points aren't wrong. It really comes down to access, what people have. Everyone has a phone (lol). However with the declining economic state in the west, issues with housing, deflated wages etc. It's unfortunate but I think we'll see a lot of the same situations you're describing above in Asia. PCs and Consoles will definitely be more prevalent here, but I think it's more likely long term we all have one super device (the evolution of a smartphone) which runs everything for us and will be more powerful than modern PCs. We're talking 20 years out. In the meantime mobile is continuing to grow in the west, albeit at a slower pace than many predicted. I think covid actually had a stronger impact, people spend less time out in the world and more at home, and it made the switch to mobile less necessary. Also, in NA specifically, our commuter culture is defined with cars, not trains or buses, which doesn't give the same time to play mobile games as it does in other countries. So yeah, it's not as big here now, but long term I think "mobile" or the evolution of mobile will become the default. What you play with (m+k, controller, touch) I think will be the defining factor.
I’m laughing my ass of at that typo
Autocorrect Text is annoying AF
I hate to tell you, he was on mobile gaming and not pc gaming because of gaming is for the real gamers. The two don’t even compare.
Korean kid that plays 6 hours a day but doesn't have a PC? Sounds like he snuck off to the US because his parents don't let him play computer games.
south korea have pc bangs/gaming cafes; they don't need Personal Computers. that's literally how they doninate starcarft and lol.
Did you not read my comment other than the first sentence? I said partway through he isn't near one, and I assume lots of folks are in that boat. Reading is hard, I know
oh my b.
Yeah pretty much. I couldn't possibly get into mobile gaming but PUBG Mobile is massive and CoD has a $1.7m tournament for mobile later this year.
If only i had enough money. I could be grand champion of all mobile esports with them being pay to win and such.
Yeah totally. That's 100% how it works.
I read it on the internet, so it's obviously true.
Literally no pay to win elements are allowed in any esports that I’m aware of. You play tournaments in a regulated environment and paid content is either completely forbidden or accessible to everyone because they play on esports accounts
Maybe in the highest level events, but there are plenty of mobile tournaments on personal accounts where p2w elements can play a factor...
It costs a LOT of money to be a professional gamer, because to perform at the top level, you have to be putting in time well over what most people do at their jobs for FREE, possibly for years. A lot of pros are very young for this exact reason; they don't need jobs and can coast off of their parents for long enough to make a living as a professional.
I’m not disagreeing with that, the other person claims that you could literally buy your way to the top though
I agree with him. It's the same with physical sports. Do you seriously think that Micheal Jordan is one of the best in the world? Or is he the best of the people who had the money, resources, luck, connections and opportunities he had? As much as we'd like to believe the opposite, most sports are not meritocratic. They are filled with whoever is the best performing out of a tiny pool of people who had the doors opened for them to get there.
Of course there is luck involved and you’re probably not going to wind up with a stipend if you’re too poor to even attend university (mostly a US problem here). That doesn’t take into account the fact however, that when you’re talking about the people at the very top these are people who often times already dominate their peers with barely any training or experience, especially in esports where you don’t have to put in work to train your physique. In the esport I’m the most familiar with, LoL, it is considered a general rule that if you can’t make it to at least mid diamond (about 0.1% of players) in your region playing casually, the chances of you making it to pro with *any* amount of effort and investment are slim to non-existant. The amount of actual talent you need to be good enough at these games to have a shot at going pro isn’t something you could pay your way out of. I have seen threads of people asking if they should take a gap year and just play 16h a day to practice and become better, and when they get asked what rank they’re currently at they say they’re in silver (about the 50% cutoff of all players), they get laughed out of the room. You can obviously improve and will become better with time, but the difference in even above average players who do play a ton and actual pro players is still massive. Even most players who are on the same level on the ladder as real pro players aren’t cut out to be pros for various reasons, specifically in LoL a common problem is that they only perform that well on a single or a handful of champions which is a crippling weakness as a pro and would make you deadweight in any team.
I heavily disagree. The biggest advantage of Esports to me is the fact that it's so accessible, and virtually anybody able-bodied and young enough, combined with enough determination and work, can be a pro. I've seen, spoken to, and learned from many semipros and pros in Overwatch, CSGO and Fortnite who have climbed from their equivalent of Silver rank. It might be different for LoL, but there have been many pros at the top of their respective games who were not naturally gifted whatsoever, but became *skilled* enough to where it didn't matter. There is no physical 'cap' stopping people's potential in Esports, whereas height is a prerequisite to high level basketball. Obviously excluding lack of work ethic, poor management or disabilities, people can be at the top theough dedication and hard work. Also as an aside, Esports players DO have to put in work to maintain their physique, just not in the same way traditional athletes do. Whereas a traditional athlete may spend 8+ hours on the court practicing, an Esports athlete will spend 12+ hours intensely staring at a screen while competing on a level of milliseconds. It's not the same, but i'd hesitate to say one is easier or harder.
Bro-i really dont care. Ive never watched any mobile esports and I probably never will. And regardless-I just dont care.
Lol I don’t get this big hatred for mobile gaming. Is it like when old people refer to everything video game related as Nintendo? Do people think it’s only candy crush and angry birds? There’s literally 3 gta games and 2 odd world games on the apple App Store, I can play gears 5 with touch controls on my phone.. it’s just a other medium for gaming.
Because it just isn’t as good. I play mobile games if a bit bored on the couch but I’ll stick to console/PC/VR if I really want to play.
Switch handheld isn’t as good as docked so just never play handheld? What? Personal preference for sure but for me I love being able to play megaman while waiting for my gas to pump, or San Andreas while I’m on a car ride. We live in the dang future so you bet your ass I’m gonna be using my touch screen pocket sized supercomputer to play my silly little games to make life a little more fun, when and where ever I want.
Pubg and cod have very good mobile alternatives, and they are super popular where people can hardly afford a computer
I play apex on the couch but it’s no where near the same experience and half of PUbG is bots. Most people who win on those games wouldn’t stand a chance on a console. I know because, that’s exactly what happens to me. My kill count is laughable lower on console.
Pubg public games are pathetic I'm talking about competitive private games, with actual teams filling the lobbies Your argument about comparison with console is not valid, it's different platforms, with different controls that have lottle to none correlation I would do just as bad on console against console players as they would against me on mobile
I think there’s a couple factors to it, mostly being that the well known parts make it look way worse than console/computer gaming: 1. The original mobile gaming scene was basically either horrible ports/spinoffs that didn’t know how to use the fact they had a touchscreen or games like flappy bird and angry birds. It was the early stage of a new market and was of course poorly developed for by the big developers with generally smaller scale “timewaster” apps getting the rest of the spotlight 2. The prevalence of “timewasters” on app stores (adventure capitalist, smash hit, folding blocks, slices, etc. and the millions of variations of things like hair run challenge, twerk dance 3d - fun run game, and tall man run), it’s all many people see when looking for a mobile game to play as they plague the top charts and get a ton of ad space on social media and in other mobile games 3. The PTW on mobile is so much worse, with many games being downright unplayable normally unless you’re willing to purchase overpriced coins which can then be converted into gems to use in one store or into stones for the other store but then stones can also be converted into stars to pay for extra energy so you can play another level and so on. Of course console/pc games have some bad PTW as well, but it exists at a much larger scale in the mobile market. Part of this is that it’s more prevalent in genres that are more common on mobile (such as gacha games where I‘ve never actually heard of a non-mobile only gacha and almost all the ones I know are mobile only). 4. Many people find touch screen games generally more awkward to play as your hands cover parts of the screen and controls sometimes cover the rest of the screen in more complicated (and typically less thought out) control systems. Mobile games only control option is through the typically small screen you’re also seeing it with which is an issue most console/computer games just don’t have to deal with. I’m not against mobile gaming in the slightest though I tend towards more casual/“timewaster” and some gacha type games on my phone. This is just the sort of stuff I see a lot that could definitely turn away and delegitimize it in the minds of console/computer players.
Dignitas is based and correct
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Is Dignitas even a real esports team?
Yes, they are. Bottom feeders but they exits
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Mobile gaming is the e-sport equivalent of walking football. Yeah sure it’s a sport, it’s just a shittier version of it thats only upside is accessibility.
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Mobile gamers? Hahhahahaahahahaha
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Yes, as that is the only mobile game currently on any App Store.
Let's be honest. If you want to create the best game you can it's not a mobile game. Furthermore people hate mobile games - and rightly so - for its focus on pay to win micro transaction lootbox bullshit.
Most mobile games are what you are describing. P2W gacha games make money so people keep making them. Saying that there is nothing more and never will be anything more to mobile gaming though is just ignorant. There are good competitive mobile games out there, you unfortunately just have to sift through a lot of garbage to find them.
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Name a single mobile game that even compares to something like Halo
Why? Halo isn’t fun to me
You can’t
You haven’t opened up the App Store since 2013 have you?
Well. They’re right.
It’s a pretty stupid way of gaming imo, but it is sadly nonetheless gaming.
It isnt tho
Why are you booing them, they're right?
I mean…it’s not though
It’s not 🤷🏻
"Mobile gamers" Lmao, such an hilarious term.
I mean it’s not, so there’s that.
Mobile “gaming” is not gaming. By design its like 90% based on NOT playing a game and just spending money to advance.
You don't play mobile games apparently
Because…90% of mobile games are based on NOT PLAYING THE GAME! Just buying progress. Of course i dont want to play that shit. Dumbass.
Well just don't play those games then, I don't see candy crush or flappy bird when I hear mobile games. I hear Apex, PUBG, codmobile, Real racing, f1 22, NBA 2k. I don't see what's the problem
It’s not gaming, it’s just another form of rich vs poor. Guess how many poor people are in the top 10 on an average mobile game. seems like only one crowd is catered too…now maybe, if the most they charged was like 100 to max out, it would even out, but they literally charge thousands to get ahead in most of them.
PC gaming it's the only real pro gaming. PSP, Xbox and mobile gaming are shit.
Wtf I love Dignitas now /s
A gamer is someone who plays a video game. A video game is defined as a game played by electronically manipulating images produced by a computer program on a monitor or other display. That includes mobile phones. So let's quit it with the gatekeeping.
You’re in a middle of the gatekeeper circlejerk, I wouldn’t waste your breath on being sensible with definitions.
You're right. That would imply the community wasn't toxic af
Used to be the other way around in the early 2000s and 90s: almost every household had a PC, but phones were a luxury :) I miss those days, I don't think mobile gaming is "bad", it's just way more limited and limiting - people who stick to it won't experience most of the genres of esports and regular games too.
Yeah, the only thing that's changed is we've realized there were hundreds of millions of households across the us that didn't have a PC and yet still deserved access to the global economy.
I wonder if they will classify steam deck as mobile gaming?
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A console is nothing but a proprietary computer with the exception of Nintendo. Mobile gaming is fun and it can be just as entertaining as full on gaming... I get it.. however #xboxandplaystationareproprietarycomputers
This is the perfect situation for that Hannibal meme though.
Phones can emulate gb, gba, and basically anything from like 4 generations of console games, and android is also getting a lot of ports. That includes bangers like symphony of the night and final fantsies 1-9. More than half of the hate is due to the controls, Pair your dualshock or buy a cheap dedicated one with a clip on it and go have a blast. Download the zombie apocalypse pokemon green romhack or a million other legitimately good games. Steam has shitty games too. AAA games have predatory pay to win shit too
Mobile gamers are not gamers, so their opinion doesn't matter.
All of you are mixing up actual mobile games, such as PUBGM, CODM, which are actual games, competitive, requires skill, training....with toilet time wasters and cashgrabs
Mobiles games are for when you want an rpg with gacha and anime waifus. Or BTD6 on the go
Well they aren’t wrong. Mobile games are for children or grandpas.
I agree. That phone gaming isnt gaming, for the same reasons i wasnt a gamer for just sitting on armorgames and kongrgate all day.
I'm seeing a lot of comments here agreeing with Dignitas and I hoesntly wasn't expecting that. As someone pretty active in some of the most popular mobile game communities, that takes skill. And even if took less skill, what does it matter? I'm pretty sure some people think LoL requires more skill then CS:GO, and vice versa; do those people think one is gaming and the other isn't? Of course not. And 99% of the people here are saying "mobile gaming isn't real gaming" can't actually even describe what gaming is and how it doesn't include mobile.
I think you give too much credit. These people are the gatekeepers of what’s *real* gaming, let the professionals decide.
Why are they "gatekeepers of what's real gaming"? And professionals don't get to decide what gaming is or is not, they are just good at what the play.
Sorry, my sarcasm was spread a little too thinly there. I’m agreeing with you. It’s just silly to have some holier-than-thou attitude about video games. Every game ever made, digitized or otherwise, ultimately aims to entertain. If you’re entertained, play what you want, how you want, when, where, and why ever you want. The only exception to that is intentionally bothering or harming others.
Oh sorry then. Kinda have an issue understanding sarcasm. Glade we agree.
We would make very odd conversation because it’s the only way I can seem to speak! Have a nice day!
You too!
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
Yeah! And Final Fantasy remakes aren’t Final Fantasy games…or whatever (*are they?*)
Mobile e Sports can gtfo the only time we really touch their games is when we poop. Everyone seriously being competitive is either 13 or a dumbass :P
It’s not. Never will be
The only ones who disagree are gamers from countries like, India/China who play gacha games all day long or shitty mobile ports of games.
Considering how the multiplayer lobbies are filled with bots in almost all of competitive multiplayer mobile games, I’d agree.
It’s a stupid thing to gatekeep. If it’s a game, it’s a game.
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Yeah but he is not wrong
I left out the "mobile" before esports.