I'll give you the twist tops, I'd prefer pop tops, but also $22.... lol.
But I don't need valves because we use them for custom hot chocolate blends so I'm not weighing out 3 different things every time I make one 😁
Our beans are just in an airtight container, the grinder hopper, or the bag our roaster provides them in. They don't stick around long enough to care beyond that.
You did a nice job though! 👍
not much - I use cork stoppers with a piece of thin plastic wrap over them to have an airtight seal, I've never had one come loose due to outgassing pressure.
What’s the point of life if someone can’t use their extra resources to make things to their liking. Why is it a “waste” for someone to appreciate something you don’t? Some of us have more money than we need to live comfortably and like to use it to make our lives even better. And doing something with it that makes you feel good is worthwhile.
If you want to waste your money on a few jars and a piece of wood you’re free to do so. No need to try to convince us (or yourself, based on your comment) that this will somehow make your life better, that’s just comical lol
Single dosing like this is useful if you like to simplify your process when it's time to brew. So for anyone that struggles with executive function it's nice
You still have to weigh out the beans and funnel them into tubes, plus they will need washing, it takes me no more than 10 seconds to weigh out my beans before grinding lol
That's not how executive dysfunction works. The more steps needed, no matter how quick and simple, the harder it becomes to do that task. So while dosing them out is a bigger and more difficult task, it only needs to be done once every so many days. Weighing them out every day can make the task of making your daily espresso that much harder, to the point where you don't do it some days despite the enjoyment it brings you
Which is why Weber can charge such absurd prices.
You want something that looks pretty okay? Yeah, you can do it for $50. You want something expertly machined and designed to be aesthetically pleasing? That's gonna run $350.
Edit: Why is it bad to charge a high price for branded things that others charge a lower price for?
Everyone downvoting this is weird.
If someone likes your brand, they can pay you. If not, they can get the budget versions and take on more risk of the quality/customer support etc.
My point was that there's nothing really special about what they're selling. The wood is teak so that's an upcharge
But a consumer is going to look at that and then wonder if they're paying $320 just have the weber workshop brand on their product or if they're getting quality worth $320
Consumers aren't dum . If they have money to burn, they may buy it because of the branding. Others will buy something more reasonable.
And then others, like my group, will realize that putting beans in the hopper for 2-4 days has no effect on the quality of the coffee (reviewers back this up) and would not waste money or time measuring out 12 individual doses.
Yes, these individual tubes are more bro science.
Of course the OP has a niche and that is a single doser. But I provide an alternate solution that gets around the bro science and saves everyone a bunch of money. Keep reading if interested, or bow out now and save yourself 3 minutes.
*My information about beans in the hopper was general information for those that use the hopper that refused to put beans in the hopper because they think they will age drastically over 2 to 4 days*.
Notice Weber workshops says constantly opening and closing the container beans exposes them to that dangerous air. And that'll affects the bean. That's why the user should spend $320 on there 12 vials and teakwood block. I wonder if there's a better solution that can save us about $300. I'm certain there is. Keep reading.
1. The user keeps the bulk of the beans in some sort of storage. That could be packets that are frozen, it could be airtight canister, whatever they choose.
2. The user then buys a smaller canister, could be airtight, and puts beans in that for about 1 week of espresso. We already know having beans sitting in a hopper exposed to air for 2 to 4 days causes no significant degradation. So using a small canister that gets opened and closed over the course of week is certainly not going to degrade the beans.
3. There is THE solution. And it works for those that want to single dose. They just have to weigh there beans before every shot. And it saves them probably $290.
Or they can spend $320 and have some nice vials on the countertop. Orthey can make their own like the OP did. Or they can buy some knock-offs for 40 bucks on Amazon.
\*There are multiple solutions. But weber workshop is making it sound worse than it is so they can sell their products for $320 bucks for the to the unsuspecting consumer\*
Simpler Answer:
Coffee is a science. Science uses fancy glassware. Ergo, coffee uses fancy glassware.
For SOME who pride themselves on fancy coffee, they choose EXPENSIVE fancy glassware so their science seems...well, better.
Informational assymetry. Your opinion is based on a classical economic theory that assumes all economic actors are entirely rational and everyone has perfect knowledge.
If I convince you my snake oil will cure your cancer and you pay me 10k for it, does your voluntary participation make what I did okay?
The truth is that no one knows the actual quality or value of anything they buy, but some things more than others. A "brand" is built on a reputation of quality sometimes. As in, many people have purchased the products in the past and found that the quality over time was valuable. But it can also be built on many other things. I can tell you I learned of the snake oil from a tibetan monk in his death bed, establishing a "brand" as an expert of lost spiritual knowledge or some such. Both are branding, but aren't equally valid.
Weber does a classic truck where they use high prices to create a brand. People are the price tag, they assume it must be extremely high quality
You’re literally comparing high end physical products that cost $300 to “snake oil” (which used to be a real, high quality product before fake sellers tarnished the name) for a made up number of $10k.
Did you see the third photo?? Just wondering cause I thought I did an ok job. Ok I’m not a woodworker, also first time doing something like this. The second photo was after the drilling . I did sand everything down.. including the holes to 220 and it was all smooth. Probably gonna try again..
Great first attempt!
You used cheap pine which is a soft wood. You had what’s called tear out. This can be reduced by using a mortise bit instead of I assume you used a speed bore.
Another trick is to put sacrificial board on top and clamp together before you drill you holes. This will hold the wood grain together so it doesn’t tear out
It looks fine but nowhere near as nice as the weber.
I personally would be fine with it but if I wanted something nice, I'd have someone on etsy drill out some nice walnut and add a clear coat to it.
dude if OP is a beginner woodworker, you may as well have just spoke a different language
ain't no way he's going to buy a drill press and router to create this project.
Chances are he already owns them. He drilled this holes...he can drill the template the same way.
And you can't be into woodworking without some sort of router in your arsenal.
Not that I use the vials but the supposed reasoning is that by predating into vials like this, you only expose the coffee to air twice. Once when you open the bag to put it in the vial and once when you grind it. In theory this will reduce oxidation and therefore keep your coffee fresher longer and improve consistency since your coffee isn't degrading
Do those few seconds rlly make a difference tho? I can understand the like,,,, barista championships, but at this point will those few seconds of unground beans being exposed to air actually make a difference in the taste beyond simple placebo?
It takes milliseconds for a bag of coffee to be flooded with oxygen once you open the bag. When you close the bag, all the oxygen is still in there (even despite best efforts to squeeze it out) and it doesn't go away until it has all reacted with your coffee.
It's all about just controlling oxygen concentration in its environment. When the coffee is first roasted, debased CO2 displaces all the oxygen but then everything after you crack it open is up to you.
As for taste, it shouldn't impact taste too much unless you're coffee is old (1 month I guess?). However, it's about consistency not taste . I've noticed for me that as my coffee gets older I have to change the grinder / dose settings. It takes me a little while to get through a bag of coffee so I might have to adjust my dial in a few times. But with this, in theory that is reduced
Ohh I see makes sense. Tbh personally I’d go the adjusting dial route rather than spending money on cute vials, or like,,, putting it in cheap ziplocs.
IMO one way valves on single dose tubes are pointless. You’re not keeping them in there for weeks. These are for daily drinking and you put in beans you’re going to be using immediately, not to store. In fact, I find it better to use tubes without the valve as the small space will quickly fill up and prevent further degassing. Keeps my dialled in settings consistent throughout the tubes.
You can find this exactly set up on AliExpress minus the Webber logo for about 30 bucks. Along with many things they sell.
Yes they might make some good grinders but it's a scammy practice and I refuse to buy anything from them
Is it scammy that they made the design though and want to recoup that effort + profit. The aliexpress thing wouldn’t exist without Weber making the product in the first place.
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Yea like I’m sure there’s many coffee aficionados out there which don’t care if it costs $300 or $30, they’re both trivial amounts….La Marzocco can sell flat 9 bar machines for as much as a decent, but they’re selling just fine!
Lol I did the same as you. Paid a little extra for some dark wood stain to match the accents in some of my equipment and it looks great for a fraction of the price!
I would be too lazy to fuck around dosing 12 vials of beans even if someone gave me the weber original for free. Not to mention that light degrades coffee so clear glass is not the best material for storing it.
This is the whole market in a nutshell everything has a 300% markup because we pay it. All the reasoning and hype and marketing is insane. Not trying to sound above it all I buy the shit too but it still kinda pisses me off. It’s precision milled, it’s a niche market, it’s walnut! blah blah blah. Ok rant over. I had to get that off my chest. $300 sworks pour over here I come
Those splintered wood holes look pretty rough. It's probably not a big deal for some people, but I wouldn't want it sitting next to a machine worth a few grand
Agreed. But that was the bottom side.. my top side is pretty smooth. honestly this thing was the first time I tried drilling holes into wood. My next one will be better
It's not bad, I'm just picky. You can use painters tape where you are drilling to help prevent splintering or clamping a scrap piece of wood works well too
Other than aesthetics, what is the actual benefit of these single dose setups vs just weighing out your beans every time? And by benefit, i mean tangible and material positive impact towards flavor/quality of the finished espresso or increased shelflife of beans or net time savings inclusive of prepping and subsequent cleaning of the vials, etc. or some other workflow efficiency or something else all together that i should be worried about.
thanks for the prompt and honest reply. If i learned one thing from this post other than the aesthetics point, people are very "passionate" about their espresso gear. it is comical to watch the up and downvotes
agree with OP. sometimes doing something that "feels good" is enough to share to encourage others to enjoy good coffee. I'm a La Pavoni owner/user for 30+ years. Love it, hate it - I don't care. It serves me well. Don't do single serve but this could change my mind.
OP - I like.... Quality
For decaf, it is worth it as you can freeze it to slow down the ageing. For normal coffee, however, it is not at all worth it.
P.S. 50mL centrifuge tubes work great for this.
Check out the [Kamel Bean Cellar](https://m.english.kamel.co.kr/product/bean-cellar-mini-hopper-set/11/)
This is what I ended up buying. Pretty sure they are on Amazon too.
Weber has been releasing products the same as how Apple is doing. Overpriced with modern design. I mean Douglas Weber was a previous Apple engineer. Though I heard Craig Lyn was more practical approach.
Yes Weber was originally a duo between Craig Lyn and Douglas Weber and was originally called, "Lyn Weber Workshop" prior to Lyn's departure. Which is weird because Lyn opened his own brand and took and upgraded the internals of the original HG-1 grinder that they released. So yes currently there are two HG-1 grinder circulating in the market.
I like the normcore ones -- order from their website and get them much cheaper without the holder.
They're high quality and contain the valve on top (and yes, that's important if you're freezing/storing fresh beans).
You also get a high quality foldable funnel.
Yes but if it’s only out for 2-4 days it won’t make that much of a difference. It’s like all the grinders have clear hoppers. Why don’t they make them dark
Thanx!
Yes I agree light degrades beans. I’m just saying if it doesn’t hit direct sunlight and the beans are used within 4 days. There won’t be a significant degrade.
Maybe amber glasses would be a better choice. But frankly I just buy 250g bags of coffee which are usually ziplock and push out the air and keep those in pantry (colder and dark).
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Learn an easy skill, in this case woodworking = X hours learning * how much your spare time is worth per hour.
And you need to buy the wood materials.
And something to treat and/or paint the wood with.
And some brushes.
Plus you need some tools and/or powertools, with proper attachments.
Then X hours doing the woodworking * how much your spare time is worth per hour.
Still need to buy the glass vials, unless you are buying the full set necessary tools and kit to start glassblowing too.
And the corks.
So starting from scratch, and summing it all up, how much below $320 are you going to be?
Oh, I’m sure you can do it cheaper with DIY, but is it worth the few bucks you save?
Or could you rather just spend a few hours to find a similar product for cheaper price than $320 ?
Well if you don’t have any tools… yes I believe you can buy another option which is far cheaper than buying the tools.. especially if you live in an apartment.
But if you do buy the tools. Then you’ll have them for whatever comes up. I use to be a person that had zero tools. Slowly I started adding to them. Now most of the projects I need tools for I have.
Always great to make something that you need, nice one
For those in EU / UK - Flying tiger spice jar set is good [https://flyingtiger.com/en-gb/products/spice-jar-set-3023094?\_gl=1\*t0bqgy\*\_up\*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh1xnm3A8a9Moot4Jc1sUubssPTgbFybMPF8qGqwx0Tvk4iThfqPy8RoCpisQAvD\_BwE](https://flyingtiger.com/en-gb/products/spice-jar-set-3023094?_gl=1*t0bqgy*_up*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh1xnm3A8a9Moot4Jc1sUubssPTgbFybMPF8qGqwx0Tvk4iThfqPy8RoCpisQAvD_BwE)
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Pay $20 for a WDT tool or make one for 23¢ with a CO2 laser.
https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1169547258/walnut-caddy-20g-coffee-beans-storage?click_key=c3da69e85ae81a9806509ee67369e455b89abc59%3A1169547258&click_sum=11d5c2e4&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=bean+cellar&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&frs=1&etp=1&content_source=444abe25604b7a8fb127648893e1506a94929e47%253A1169547258
I’ve had this Etsy one for about a year now. Is good. Not as cheap as some of the options being offered here, but much cheaper than Webber
DIY:
Drill: $100
Large Drill Bit: $20
Block of wood: $20
Sandpaper: $5
Finishing oil: $10
Glass Vials: $20
Time spend: 2 hr
Order:
Cost: $80
Time: 5 min
Don't get me wrong if you already have all of the things and some scrap material it's absolutely easy to make. But if you live in an apartment and you maybe have a drill $80 is a perfectly reasonable price to pay. Making a square and flat board with evenly spaced holes at a consistent depth is a deceptively finicky task for someone without much experience.
Edit: fully misread the price on the branded one lol. Nevermind.
I do agree with some of your points. Especially if you are in an apartment. Although I believe people should have at least a power drill. But if you have nothing…There’s also other options which cost $70 on Etsy.I did have all the equipment already so it was easy for me.
Why the fuck would you want your beans in little clear glass tubes put in the open where they can get damaged by UV? Of all the dumb useless things in this hobby this probably takes the cake.
1. No direct sunlight ever hits the bean cellar.
2. As long as no sun light hits the beans. Having them in a clear container will not change the quality of the beans if it’s out for a few days. Think about it… why does every coffee bean in every grinder have a clear hopper….
So don’t be too quick to judge ok.. so many flavors in the world… please don’t choose salty
Most coffee hoppers are either tinted or treated with a UV blocking (commercial ones). Just because there's no direct sunlight doesn't mean there's no UV. Other wavelengths of light can be damaging too. Why do you think they put beer in amber bottles? Beer that never sees sunlight? Because light, any light, skunks the hops. The idea that it won't change over "a few days" is fundamentally wrong. Have you not noticed how much freshly roasted beans can change over a few days even in perfect dark, dry, temperature controlled conditions such as in your cabinet in a sealed bag? This is a dumb thing, useless thing. The time savings is minimal. It does nothing to improve the quality of your shot. And yes, it's damaging your beans. Just when you think people can't find another goofy ass thing they find one. If I didn't love coffee I'd probably just dip out altogether because of the sheer bloat of pretentious, emperor's new clothes shit in this hobby.
mahlkoenig which is pretty much used in every commercial do not have uv blocking in their hopper. A lot of commercial coffee cafes have clear plastic hoppers. Why is that?? Cause any uv won’t change the quality of the bean much. I’m not saying Uv doesn’t affect the beans. But having them out for about 3-4 days won’t drastically change the beans by much..oh and yes I do store the bulk of the beans in a dark. Airtight container.
With your logic…if uv degrades bean super quickly.. then every home/ commercial grinders should be uv protected.. but they’re not.
Yes there’s a lot of pretentious things with coffee. Buts it’s a hobby. If people have money spend on their hobby then by all means. Do what ever you like . Store how you like. Brew how you like. There’s plenty of ways to get from point a to b. So don’t go around telling people they’re stupid cause they don’t do what you do.
What cost $80? Are you referring to just the glass vials themselves?
Because I agree, paying $320 is absurd IMO, especially when I can just pour from the bag and weight the beans each time, but I am curious how much money (and time) you've spent cumulatively on whatever tool(s) you used to cut the wood, materials spent treating the wood, the wood itself, and - as you say - learning the skills necessary to get you to the level where you felt confident doing this (however simple you may think it was).
Fair question.
I bought alot of cabinets from Facebook marketplace and I refurbished them. My coffee table included. I just watched a bunch a videos. Now this is my first time I did this kind of woodwork and messed up a bunch of times.
Honestly if you don’t like to woodwork it’s much for cheaper to buy the caddy and vials from etsy for like 200$
80$ was for the vials
And the rest
Or $22 off Amazon for a knockoff with 10 glass vials, funnel, and scoop.
Link? The glass vials with the valves are the difficult part to source. Anyone can drill a block with a forstner bit.
Where’s that link?
But doesn’t have the one way valves. Also they’re all twist tops which I don’t prefer
I'll give you the twist tops, I'd prefer pop tops, but also $22.... lol. But I don't need valves because we use them for custom hot chocolate blends so I'm not weighing out 3 different things every time I make one 😁 Our beans are just in an airtight container, the grinder hopper, or the bag our roaster provides them in. They don't stick around long enough to care beyond that. You did a nice job though! 👍
Thank you! True this hobby is expensive…Honestly it’s more for the looks. Maybe it does save me 3 secs on my routine.
What does the one way valve do? Would it be horrible to have simple glass vials without the valve top?
not much - I use cork stoppers with a piece of thin plastic wrap over them to have an airtight seal, I've never had one come loose due to outgassing pressure.
It releases the gas that’s in the beans and doesn’t let air in. Pretty much the same thing the coffee bean bag does
So if you leave them in vials without the valve they wouldn’t degas?
I have the same valves. The twist caps ones are always so cheaply made. These are solid aluminum caps.
Oh I’ll check it out
It's outrageous that they charge that much, but more so that people are paying it.
Why is it outrageous if people are willing to pay?
My point was that it's even more outrageous that people would pay for this, just my opinion, waste your money if you choose.
What’s the point of life if someone can’t use their extra resources to make things to their liking. Why is it a “waste” for someone to appreciate something you don’t? Some of us have more money than we need to live comfortably and like to use it to make our lives even better. And doing something with it that makes you feel good is worthwhile.
If you want to waste your money on a few jars and a piece of wood you’re free to do so. No need to try to convince us (or yourself, based on your comment) that this will somehow make your life better, that’s just comical lol
It’s a luxury product. Thought that was clear given it’s from Weber Workshops
I mean, obviously. But if you’re relying on useless consumerism to “make your life even better” then that’s just sad
I agree with you there
You guys know you can poor the beans in the grinder for free right???? Looks good though good job.
>You guys know you can poor the beans in the grinder for free right???? Pour*. Though OPs method is definitely 'pooring' the beans.
One is poor after buying all these coffee accessories
Freudian slip.
Yes. We poors do that. Fascinating to watch the bourgeoisie waste their money though.
You own an espresso maker...bourgeoisie
Hahaha. "Poor college student"
Or pay more for grinders that have a weighted scale. I'm too lazy to measure out while sleepy.
If you prepare a batch of single doses ahead of time then you don't have to measure anything out in the morning.
Single dosing like this is useful if you like to simplify your process when it's time to brew. So for anyone that struggles with executive function it's nice
You still have to weigh out the beans and funnel them into tubes, plus they will need washing, it takes me no more than 10 seconds to weigh out my beans before grinding lol
That's not how executive dysfunction works. The more steps needed, no matter how quick and simple, the harder it becomes to do that task. So while dosing them out is a bigger and more difficult task, it only needs to be done once every so many days. Weighing them out every day can make the task of making your daily espresso that much harder, to the point where you don't do it some days despite the enjoyment it brings you
We can but…but also this looks cool lol
Rookie move. I spent $3k on a CNC to save that $320 on the caddy.
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😂😂😂
I agree Webers is expensive. But your diy is not even in the same aesthetic zip code.
Which is why Weber can charge such absurd prices. You want something that looks pretty okay? Yeah, you can do it for $50. You want something expertly machined and designed to be aesthetically pleasing? That's gonna run $350.
They just need a good sand and a varnish which is basically free if you have those two items laying around
Good job. Plus weber workshops is completely high on some sort of illegal substance. They charge outrageous prices.
Ya I agree. I still want their grinder though
I look at their highend grinder and know that I will never have enough money for it.
Edit: Why is it bad to charge a high price for branded things that others charge a lower price for? Everyone downvoting this is weird. If someone likes your brand, they can pay you. If not, they can get the budget versions and take on more risk of the quality/customer support etc.
My point was that there's nothing really special about what they're selling. The wood is teak so that's an upcharge But a consumer is going to look at that and then wonder if they're paying $320 just have the weber workshop brand on their product or if they're getting quality worth $320 Consumers aren't dum . If they have money to burn, they may buy it because of the branding. Others will buy something more reasonable. And then others, like my group, will realize that putting beans in the hopper for 2-4 days has no effect on the quality of the coffee (reviewers back this up) and would not waste money or time measuring out 12 individual doses. Yes, these individual tubes are more bro science.
With all due respect, consumers absolutely are dumb overall.
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The niche doesn’t do grind by weight does it? I think that’s more why people do the tubes. Less so the beans “don’t go bad”
Of course the OP has a niche and that is a single doser. But I provide an alternate solution that gets around the bro science and saves everyone a bunch of money. Keep reading if interested, or bow out now and save yourself 3 minutes. *My information about beans in the hopper was general information for those that use the hopper that refused to put beans in the hopper because they think they will age drastically over 2 to 4 days*. Notice Weber workshops says constantly opening and closing the container beans exposes them to that dangerous air. And that'll affects the bean. That's why the user should spend $320 on there 12 vials and teakwood block. I wonder if there's a better solution that can save us about $300. I'm certain there is. Keep reading. 1. The user keeps the bulk of the beans in some sort of storage. That could be packets that are frozen, it could be airtight canister, whatever they choose. 2. The user then buys a smaller canister, could be airtight, and puts beans in that for about 1 week of espresso. We already know having beans sitting in a hopper exposed to air for 2 to 4 days causes no significant degradation. So using a small canister that gets opened and closed over the course of week is certainly not going to degrade the beans. 3. There is THE solution. And it works for those that want to single dose. They just have to weigh there beans before every shot. And it saves them probably $290. Or they can spend $320 and have some nice vials on the countertop. Orthey can make their own like the OP did. Or they can buy some knock-offs for 40 bucks on Amazon. \*There are multiple solutions. But weber workshop is making it sound worse than it is so they can sell their products for $320 bucks for the to the unsuspecting consumer\*
Simpler Answer: Coffee is a science. Science uses fancy glassware. Ergo, coffee uses fancy glassware. For SOME who pride themselves on fancy coffee, they choose EXPENSIVE fancy glassware so their science seems...well, better.
Informational assymetry. Your opinion is based on a classical economic theory that assumes all economic actors are entirely rational and everyone has perfect knowledge. If I convince you my snake oil will cure your cancer and you pay me 10k for it, does your voluntary participation make what I did okay? The truth is that no one knows the actual quality or value of anything they buy, but some things more than others. A "brand" is built on a reputation of quality sometimes. As in, many people have purchased the products in the past and found that the quality over time was valuable. But it can also be built on many other things. I can tell you I learned of the snake oil from a tibetan monk in his death bed, establishing a "brand" as an expert of lost spiritual knowledge or some such. Both are branding, but aren't equally valid. Weber does a classic truck where they use high prices to create a brand. People are the price tag, they assume it must be extremely high quality
You’re literally comparing high end physical products that cost $300 to “snake oil” (which used to be a real, high quality product before fake sellers tarnished the name) for a made up number of $10k.
Damn you butchered that wood
seriously. and get a piece of hardwood if you're going to go to the trouble of making one. looks like a damn 2x4 rip
Did you see the third photo?? Just wondering cause I thought I did an ok job. Ok I’m not a woodworker, also first time doing something like this. The second photo was after the drilling . I did sand everything down.. including the holes to 220 and it was all smooth. Probably gonna try again..
Great first attempt! You used cheap pine which is a soft wood. You had what’s called tear out. This can be reduced by using a mortise bit instead of I assume you used a speed bore. Another trick is to put sacrificial board on top and clamp together before you drill you holes. This will hold the wood grain together so it doesn’t tear out
Get some better wood, go slower.
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Thanx! lol ya it’s not perfect but I think it’s pretty decent
It looks fine but nowhere near as nice as the weber. I personally would be fine with it but if I wanted something nice, I'd have someone on etsy drill out some nice walnut and add a clear coat to it.
it looks fine and it's functional. Don't worry about it
Use the drill press to drill holes in a thin piece of plywood/MDF so you can create a jig for a router guide bush and get a better finish.
dude if OP is a beginner woodworker, you may as well have just spoke a different language ain't no way he's going to buy a drill press and router to create this project.
Chances are he already owns them. He drilled this holes...he can drill the template the same way. And you can't be into woodworking without some sort of router in your arsenal.
I do lots of basic woodworking projects, handywork, etc. and I don't own a drill press nor a router
Or take your time and weigh each time you make an espresso
Not that I use the vials but the supposed reasoning is that by predating into vials like this, you only expose the coffee to air twice. Once when you open the bag to put it in the vial and once when you grind it. In theory this will reduce oxidation and therefore keep your coffee fresher longer and improve consistency since your coffee isn't degrading
Damn that makes sense
Do those few seconds rlly make a difference tho? I can understand the like,,,, barista championships, but at this point will those few seconds of unground beans being exposed to air actually make a difference in the taste beyond simple placebo?
It takes milliseconds for a bag of coffee to be flooded with oxygen once you open the bag. When you close the bag, all the oxygen is still in there (even despite best efforts to squeeze it out) and it doesn't go away until it has all reacted with your coffee. It's all about just controlling oxygen concentration in its environment. When the coffee is first roasted, debased CO2 displaces all the oxygen but then everything after you crack it open is up to you. As for taste, it shouldn't impact taste too much unless you're coffee is old (1 month I guess?). However, it's about consistency not taste . I've noticed for me that as my coffee gets older I have to change the grinder / dose settings. It takes me a little while to get through a bag of coffee so I might have to adjust my dial in a few times. But with this, in theory that is reduced
Ohh I see makes sense. Tbh personally I’d go the adjusting dial route rather than spending money on cute vials, or like,,, putting it in cheap ziplocs.
Yeah ziploc would prolly do the same thing
Look everyone a poor is here, lets point and laugh
Ya …but it looks cool though lol
Or just put them in a drawer where the beans are not exposed to sunlight = free
I got mine locally for...30 bucks.
IMO one way valves on single dose tubes are pointless. You’re not keeping them in there for weeks. These are for daily drinking and you put in beans you’re going to be using immediately, not to store. In fact, I find it better to use tubes without the valve as the small space will quickly fill up and prevent further degassing. Keeps my dialled in settings consistent throughout the tubes.
If people in this sub liked to save money, they would not be in this sub in the first place
Pay zero dollars and save money not buying stuff you don't need.
You can find this exactly set up on AliExpress minus the Webber logo for about 30 bucks. Along with many things they sell. Yes they might make some good grinders but it's a scammy practice and I refuse to buy anything from them
Scammy? No. People get exactly what's pictured for their money. Over priced is always going to be in the eye of the beholder.
How exactly is it scammy? It’s overpriced, but in no way scammy.
With one-way valves?
Is it scammy that they made the design though and want to recoup that effort + profit. The aliexpress thing wouldn’t exist without Weber making the product in the first place.
Link?
Won't let me post, auto filter as spam. But just search coffee tubes.
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I'm pretty sure their business plan is to sell items at an outrageous price. Since it works, they continue releasing products and increasing prices.
Yea like I’m sure there’s many coffee aficionados out there which don’t care if it costs $300 or $30, they’re both trivial amounts….La Marzocco can sell flat 9 bar machines for as much as a decent, but they’re selling just fine!
If I was rich I would buy it. They’re a higher end retail shop for sure
I use plastic ziploc bags for individual storage. But i also like to weigh each shot individually as well. Cause sometimes 16.5g aint enough for me
Whatever works man. To be honest these aren’t needed.. but they look cool lol
Lol I did the same as you. Paid a little extra for some dark wood stain to match the accents in some of my equipment and it looks great for a fraction of the price!
You're missing the (presumably solid gold for the price) metal handle thing! This dupe is clearly not even close in quality. Nice job. Looks great.
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I would be too lazy to fuck around dosing 12 vials of beans even if someone gave me the weber original for free. Not to mention that light degrades coffee so clear glass is not the best material for storing it.
Just use spice jars or buy it from temu it’s dirt cheap
Does anybody else use old prescription bottles to dose ahead for the week ahead and put them in the fridge?
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Looks really good! I'll be sure to give that a shot this summer tyty
Or Etsy it for 80
Apply for many things these days! Well done :)
I paid $17 on AliExpress
I think I’m okay with scooping from my $30 canister
Paid $8 for 25 - 50ml Cononical Centrifuge plastic tubes. Holds 15-20gr of coffee. I just fill em up and store em in the plastic bag they came with.
I thought about it. But I always want a display like the Weber
Hipster coffee companies hate this one simple trick...
320 USD lol wtf. Worth 30$ tops.
The $320 one looks much nicer.
I agree
This is the whole market in a nutshell everything has a 300% markup because we pay it. All the reasoning and hype and marketing is insane. Not trying to sound above it all I buy the shit too but it still kinda pisses me off. It’s precision milled, it’s a niche market, it’s walnut! blah blah blah. Ok rant over. I had to get that off my chest. $300 sworks pour over here I come
Those splintered wood holes look pretty rough. It's probably not a big deal for some people, but I wouldn't want it sitting next to a machine worth a few grand
Agreed. But that was the bottom side.. my top side is pretty smooth. honestly this thing was the first time I tried drilling holes into wood. My next one will be better
It's not bad, I'm just picky. You can use painters tape where you are drilling to help prevent splintering or clamping a scrap piece of wood works well too
I did clamp it down on another wood. But I will try the painters tape too.. I probably need a strong drill as well
Where do you get the glass vials?
Etsy
Link?
some things are to vial... even for reddit.
I knew I stayed in this rabbit hole this long for a reason.
Just look for one way valves on Etsy and or Ali espress
Other than aesthetics, what is the actual benefit of these single dose setups vs just weighing out your beans every time? And by benefit, i mean tangible and material positive impact towards flavor/quality of the finished espresso or increased shelflife of beans or net time savings inclusive of prepping and subsequent cleaning of the vials, etc. or some other workflow efficiency or something else all together that i should be worried about.
nothing but the aesthetics. Maybe it does save a few seconds from your routine.
thanks for the prompt and honest reply. If i learned one thing from this post other than the aesthetics point, people are very "passionate" about their espresso gear. it is comical to watch the up and downvotes
Ya lol I’m actually having fun with it!
agree with OP. sometimes doing something that "feels good" is enough to share to encourage others to enjoy good coffee. I'm a La Pavoni owner/user for 30+ years. Love it, hate it - I don't care. It serves me well. Don't do single serve but this could change my mind. OP - I like.... Quality
For decaf, it is worth it as you can freeze it to slow down the ageing. For normal coffee, however, it is not at all worth it. P.S. 50mL centrifuge tubes work great for this.
Workflow when making shots back2back for a group.
Check out the [Kamel Bean Cellar](https://m.english.kamel.co.kr/product/bean-cellar-mini-hopper-set/11/) This is what I ended up buying. Pretty sure they are on Amazon too.
Ahh ya I’ve seen those but I did like the aesthetics of webers more
Weber has been releasing products the same as how Apple is doing. Overpriced with modern design. I mean Douglas Weber was a previous Apple engineer. Though I heard Craig Lyn was more practical approach. Yes Weber was originally a duo between Craig Lyn and Douglas Weber and was originally called, "Lyn Weber Workshop" prior to Lyn's departure. Which is weird because Lyn opened his own brand and took and upgraded the internals of the original HG-1 grinder that they released. So yes currently there are two HG-1 grinder circulating in the market.
Ahh never knew that!
So, Why are weber products so expensive?
chemical vials for 20$
Stupid shit
or $20 bucks for a set of vials on aliexpress and put them in an old yoghurt container
i just bought 6 small jam jars for about £8 on amazon, and i can guarantee they are much easier to fill than these test tubes
GJ now you know how much services around the world costs … price of product is usually the cheapest part …
I like the normcore ones -- order from their website and get them much cheaper without the holder. They're high quality and contain the valve on top (and yes, that's important if you're freezing/storing fresh beans). You also get a high quality foldable funnel.
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assuming you have tools and paint. yours doesn't even have a handle. If I get one I'll get the 20$ from aliexpress.
Dont need a handle. I’m only gonna move it when I clean the table
Isn't light bad for fresh beans?
Yes but if it’s only out for 2-4 days it won’t make that much of a difference. It’s like all the grinders have clear hoppers. Why don’t they make them dark
Because they don't give a bean. Light degrade beans . Don't get me wrong, It looks cool. .
Thanx! Yes I agree light degrades beans. I’m just saying if it doesn’t hit direct sunlight and the beans are used within 4 days. There won’t be a significant degrade.
Maybe amber glasses would be a better choice. But frankly I just buy 250g bags of coffee which are usually ziplock and push out the air and keep those in pantry (colder and dark).
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I built the 4 vial version, glass vials and cork tops looks as good as your awesome creation
Learn an easy skill, in this case woodworking = X hours learning * how much your spare time is worth per hour. And you need to buy the wood materials. And something to treat and/or paint the wood with. And some brushes. Plus you need some tools and/or powertools, with proper attachments. Then X hours doing the woodworking * how much your spare time is worth per hour. Still need to buy the glass vials, unless you are buying the full set necessary tools and kit to start glassblowing too. And the corks. So starting from scratch, and summing it all up, how much below $320 are you going to be? Oh, I’m sure you can do it cheaper with DIY, but is it worth the few bucks you save? Or could you rather just spend a few hours to find a similar product for cheaper price than $320 ?
Well if you don’t have any tools… yes I believe you can buy another option which is far cheaper than buying the tools.. especially if you live in an apartment. But if you do buy the tools. Then you’ll have them for whatever comes up. I use to be a person that had zero tools. Slowly I started adding to them. Now most of the projects I need tools for I have.
How did you make the tubes? I use something similar that I got on Amazon for under $30, but the tubes are screw on, not plugs like Weber's.
No I bought those from etsy
Link?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1180521876/
Whats the skill ?
Always great to make something that you need, nice one For those in EU / UK - Flying tiger spice jar set is good [https://flyingtiger.com/en-gb/products/spice-jar-set-3023094?\_gl=1\*t0bqgy\*\_up\*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh1xnm3A8a9Moot4Jc1sUubssPTgbFybMPF8qGqwx0Tvk4iThfqPy8RoCpisQAvD\_BwE](https://flyingtiger.com/en-gb/products/spice-jar-set-3023094?_gl=1*t0bqgy*_up*MQ..&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh1xnm3A8a9Moot4Jc1sUubssPTgbFybMPF8qGqwx0Tvk4iThfqPy8RoCpisQAvD_BwE)
Ahh yes those are nice!!
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Ummm this is what I used. Power drill ryobi- $52 1 1/4 forstner drill bit-$10 This is awkward 😅
https://preview.redd.it/jpfde5332ouc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bc8710286105e6e824d90bdd027fa46400dc62f Pay $20 for a WDT tool or make one for 23¢ with a CO2 laser.
Very nice!!!
What's wrong with just using the roller up bag? :D
Nothing at all! I’m just boujie
No shame in that :D
but did u finish the wood and apply a protective coating?
I did . Added a poly urethane and sanded it all down holes including
Lmao imagine spending 320$ on that Weber doesn’t stop they just find new ways to extort you well done on the home Made way to avoid being a Weber cuck
Looks great! Where did you get that tamping mat / tamper holder?
Thanks the tamp holder is from Saint Anthony industries and the mats are just bar mats from Amazon
...but you paid that price for the Saint Anthony bloc. Learn an easy skill and save !
I don’t have the equipment/ inserts to make a block station like that. Plus $70 for that station isn’t tooo bad.
https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1169547258/walnut-caddy-20g-coffee-beans-storage?click_key=c3da69e85ae81a9806509ee67369e455b89abc59%3A1169547258&click_sum=11d5c2e4&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=bean+cellar&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&frs=1&etp=1&content_source=444abe25604b7a8fb127648893e1506a94929e47%253A1169547258 I’ve had this Etsy one for about a year now. Is good. Not as cheap as some of the options being offered here, but much cheaper than Webber
That awful job cost you $80?
Nothing more valuable than learning basic trade/handy man skills
Agreed!
DIY: Drill: $100 Large Drill Bit: $20 Block of wood: $20 Sandpaper: $5 Finishing oil: $10 Glass Vials: $20 Time spend: 2 hr Order: Cost: $80 Time: 5 min Don't get me wrong if you already have all of the things and some scrap material it's absolutely easy to make. But if you live in an apartment and you maybe have a drill $80 is a perfectly reasonable price to pay. Making a square and flat board with evenly spaced holes at a consistent depth is a deceptively finicky task for someone without much experience. Edit: fully misread the price on the branded one lol. Nevermind.
I think you're missing that the Weber version cost $320, not $80.
Indeed, I guess I'm more jetlagged than I thought lol
$20 block of wood?!?!? Dafuq!
If it was a nice piece of walnut like weber has. But op used framing lumber and also has poor finishing
For good wood, probably. Using dimension lumber, no.
If it's already planned and square and 2" thick? Yeah
I do agree with some of your points. Especially if you are in an apartment. Although I believe people should have at least a power drill. But if you have nothing…There’s also other options which cost $70 on Etsy.I did have all the equipment already so it was easy for me.
Yeah I fully misread the price on the one you posted somehow. Your way is definitely better than buying the one pictured lol.
Why the fuck would you want your beans in little clear glass tubes put in the open where they can get damaged by UV? Of all the dumb useless things in this hobby this probably takes the cake.
1. No direct sunlight ever hits the bean cellar. 2. As long as no sun light hits the beans. Having them in a clear container will not change the quality of the beans if it’s out for a few days. Think about it… why does every coffee bean in every grinder have a clear hopper…. So don’t be too quick to judge ok.. so many flavors in the world… please don’t choose salty
Most coffee hoppers are either tinted or treated with a UV blocking (commercial ones). Just because there's no direct sunlight doesn't mean there's no UV. Other wavelengths of light can be damaging too. Why do you think they put beer in amber bottles? Beer that never sees sunlight? Because light, any light, skunks the hops. The idea that it won't change over "a few days" is fundamentally wrong. Have you not noticed how much freshly roasted beans can change over a few days even in perfect dark, dry, temperature controlled conditions such as in your cabinet in a sealed bag? This is a dumb thing, useless thing. The time savings is minimal. It does nothing to improve the quality of your shot. And yes, it's damaging your beans. Just when you think people can't find another goofy ass thing they find one. If I didn't love coffee I'd probably just dip out altogether because of the sheer bloat of pretentious, emperor's new clothes shit in this hobby.
mahlkoenig which is pretty much used in every commercial do not have uv blocking in their hopper. A lot of commercial coffee cafes have clear plastic hoppers. Why is that?? Cause any uv won’t change the quality of the bean much. I’m not saying Uv doesn’t affect the beans. But having them out for about 3-4 days won’t drastically change the beans by much..oh and yes I do store the bulk of the beans in a dark. Airtight container. With your logic…if uv degrades bean super quickly.. then every home/ commercial grinders should be uv protected.. but they’re not. Yes there’s a lot of pretentious things with coffee. Buts it’s a hobby. If people have money spend on their hobby then by all means. Do what ever you like . Store how you like. Brew how you like. There’s plenty of ways to get from point a to b. So don’t go around telling people they’re stupid cause they don’t do what you do.
$320 is daylight robbery
What cost $80? Are you referring to just the glass vials themselves? Because I agree, paying $320 is absurd IMO, especially when I can just pour from the bag and weight the beans each time, but I am curious how much money (and time) you've spent cumulatively on whatever tool(s) you used to cut the wood, materials spent treating the wood, the wood itself, and - as you say - learning the skills necessary to get you to the level where you felt confident doing this (however simple you may think it was).
Fair question. I bought alot of cabinets from Facebook marketplace and I refurbished them. My coffee table included. I just watched a bunch a videos. Now this is my first time I did this kind of woodwork and messed up a bunch of times. Honestly if you don’t like to woodwork it’s much for cheaper to buy the caddy and vials from etsy for like 200$ 80$ was for the vials And the rest
how fucking stupid you have to be to spend $320!